Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby shiv » 14 Jul 2014 06:48

ramana wrote:
So its not in 1960 that PAA found the idea of Pakistan but in 1947.

Khuda fece!!!

True but the idea has been kept alive by Bakul's process of "rejecting and divorcing" anything that fails to meet the ideal of the elite Turkic/Persian elite Paki being naturally superior to the Hindu and the Afghan for that matter.

India was rejected and divorced in 1947
Bangladesh was rejected and divorced in 1971
Waziristan and Baluchistan have similarly been rejected and partially divorced

There is so much venom there that one can predictably piss off the Paki by mocking his idea of Pakistan.

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Postby Anujan » 14 Jul 2014 07:38



Sure he is welcome. We should extend every courtesy possible so that he finds his journey comfortable.

Then arrest him and throw him in jail.

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Postby CRamS » 14 Jul 2014 07:55



To what level will these WKKs go, man, its sickening. To even call such pukes as cowards will be a compliment.

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Postby shiv » 14 Jul 2014 09:44


Interesting.

It appears to me that it has become inconvenient for Pakistan to allow a brazen criminal to continue to be brazen and are trying to pull him into some form of political legitimacy - no doubt with the intent of doing an equalequal - "You have Modi, we have Saeed"

But was this necessary?

For example, why was it OK for Pakis to pretend that Saeed was "non state actor" previously and why are they gradually pulling him in as "state actor" now?

What has changed? Masood Azhar, also a non state actor, remains non state still AFAIK.

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Jul 2014 10:38

shiv, Pakistanis may attempt to make Hafeez Sayeed 'mainstream', but the attempt cannot succeed. Notwithstanding this Track IV diplomacy by this journalist, India will never allow him to join the 'mainstream'. Even though, we can be sure that large-scale contacts are going behind the scene between Modi & Nawaz Sharif, Hafeez Sayeed will never get recognition from any Indian government. It will be politically suicidal for any Indian PM to do so. He is at the top, after Dawood Ibrahim, in India's most wanted list of terrorists. The UNSC has banned JuD under resolution 1267 and it declared Hafeez Sayeed as a terrorist. Pakistan did not formally ban the organization claiming, as usual perfidiously, that such an action was separately not warranted after the UN had added JuD under its terror list. The US has a bounty of USD 10M on him. JuD is a banned organization in prominent countries. Pakistan cannot rehabilitate him overcoming all these.

For example, why was it OK for Pakis to pretend that Saeed was "non state actor" previously and why are they gradually pulling him in as "state actor" now?

What has changed? Masood Azhar, also a non state actor, remains non state still AFAIK.

We have to understand where Saeed and Masood Azhar come from. Saeed's interaction with the ISI goes a long way back, to c. 1979 when he along with OBL's mentor Abdullah Azzam started Maktab-al-Khidmat to help Arab mujahideen pouring into Pakistan. Gen. Zia was a great admirer of him and appointed him to the CII (Council of Islamic Ideology).

Its parent body of JuD/LeT is Markaz Dawa wa Al-Irshad, MDI (the Centre for Preaching and Guidance.).The aim of Markaz was to reject democracy as a western concept of governance unsuited to and against Islamic principles. It disapproves of all sorts of democratic means of political expression like peaceful protests, demonstrations and sloganeering as un-Islamic. The organisation is also averse to electoral politics in Pakistan. He himself has been very obedient to PA/ISI. These are attributes that the PA liked and continue to like.

As for Masood Azhar, he split from Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM) in c. 2000 after the swap at Kandahar. He was not a leading light in HuM where the emir was (and is) Fazlur Rehman Khalil. HuM was also founded by PA/ISI and is the only jihadi terror organization to be headquartered in Rawalapindi itself. Masood Azhar's JeM was also created by the ISI for two reasons perhaps, one to keep him under control after Kandahar and two to as a counterbalance to HuM. Unlike Hafeez Sayeed, the PA probably will never have complete faith in Masood Azhar. Azhar had organized a campaign against Pakistani troops in Somalia and proudly claims that his efforts led to the death of 24 of them there. He even wrote a booklet on that. But, those were heady days when his friend OBL was ruling the waves. So, PA will always be wary of him.

LeT/JuD is a huge setup while JeM is not though Masood Azhar himself has received considerable largesse from the ISI.

So, the roles are different.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby Paul » 14 Jul 2014 11:56

http://www.dawn.com/news/1118966/cvc

Pakis renmiscening about the simple days in the good old 60s. Need a AK in the crack of their Biglund to bring them back to reality.

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Postby ArmenT » 14 Jul 2014 12:47

From the BBC
Shopping Secrets of the Taliban revealed

Interestingly, these guys behave like the rich Pakistani upper class people:
Rasheed says he had a large shop in the main market there, selling all manner of cosmetics, socks and stockings, and a few electronic items.

He says he used to earn between 100,000 and 115,000 rupees a day, and that Taliban militants were the biggest spenders. According to Rasheed, they would buy plenty of goods on every visit - and they wouldn't haggle to get prices reduced.

"They used to prefer foreign or branded perfumes and imported body sprays. They liked the ones with a strong scent."

In fact, Rasheed would travel especially to Islamabad and Lahore in order to procure the kind of imported merchandise the Taliban preferred.

"They didn't like Pakistani products :mrgreen: ," he says.


Another shopkeeper from Miranshah, Sohail Masih, a tailor, confirms that the Taliban would invariably be the best customers in the market, spending 2,000 to 3,000 rupees at a time - for many people that would be two weeks' salary.

"They would drive to my shop in big white cars with black-tinted windows and had no qualms about doling out wads of cash," he says.

"The kind of things they would buy, well people like me can't even conceive of buying them.

Wonder where all that cash is coming from...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby Dilbu » 14 Jul 2014 13:31

Sale of narcotics in Indian Punjab for example.


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Postby shiv » 14 Jul 2014 14:37


I have posted my response...

This stupid ceremony should be stopped. Even better shoes will not reduce the permanent damage to the men's knees and backs which will start giving trouble after they are 40 years old.

I think we should send a zarda chewing paan spitting man in dirty pyjamas to slam the gate shut in front of the Pakistanis. Our flag can be lowered with dignity separately

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby Peregrine » 14 Jul 2014 15:42



The Plot Unravels :

Ramdev's aide meets LeT founder Hafiz Saeed, 'discusses' Modi; ruckus in Parliament over meeting

NEW DELHI : The opposition in Rajya Sabha on Monday forced the Upper House to adjourn twice over the meeting of a journalist and associate of yoga guru Ramdev with the terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) founder and mastermind of the 26/11 Mumbai carnage, Hafiz Saeed, in Pakistan.

Members of Congress, BSP and other opposition parties wanted the government to clarify the motive behind journalist Ved Pratap Vaidik's meeting with Saeed.

Though the government clarified that it had nothing to do with the meeting, the opposition members did not relent, forcing the House to first adjourn for 15 minutes and later till 12 in the afternoon.

Vaidik had reportedly met India's most wanted terrorist Hafiz Saeed in Lahore and had an hour long chat with him on July 2.

"Hafiz Saeed asked me about (Prime Minister) Narendra Modi. He said Modi is dangerous and now he has become the Prime Minister of India. He said that Modi is dangerous for the whole of South Asia. I said that his thinking is not right. There is no need to fear Modi," media reports said, quoting Vaidik on his chat with the LeT founder.

Vaidik told media that he had met Saeed as a journalist.

Referring to the meeting, Congress members sought explanation from the government and did not let the Upper House function for almost an hour. They wanted to know from the government whether the meeting had an official sanction.

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I am sure VP Vaidik tried to change Hafeez Saeed heart, VP Vaidik is a journalist and he can meet anyone : Baba Ramdev

BSP chief Mayawati too demanded a probe on why Vaidik met Saeed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby Cosmo_R » 14 Jul 2014 16:16

Ved Pratap Vaidik should invite HS to visit India and also while is at it, perhaps he could invite Dawood.

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Postby Ambar » 14 Jul 2014 16:20

Unwanted controversy. What did Vaidik achieve by meeting Hafeez Saeed other than giving opposition some ammunition to go at the government . Some have claimed he may have met Saeed to convey intelligence bureau's message. Now why would IB/RAW send him a message so publicly that too through a journalist not exactly known to be mealy mouthed ? This was probably Vaidik's own bright idea through his paki journalist friends which has now backfired spectacularly.

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Postby prahaar » 14 Jul 2014 16:36

Ambar wrote:Unwanted controversy. What did Vaidik achieve by meeting Hafeez Saeed other than giving opposition some ammunition to go at the government . Some have claimed he may have met Saeed to convey intelligence bureau's message. Now why would IB/RAW send him a message so publicly that too through a journalist not exactly known to be mealy mouthed ? This was probably Vaidik's own bright idea through his paki journalist friends which has now backfired spectacularly.


The usual suspects in India have changed their tune from calling HS as Shri HS to showing anger at Vaidik meeting HS. The RS tamasha is the sideshow, the real show is why is HS meeting kafir Vaidik?

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ArmenT wrote:From the BBC
Shopping Secrets of the Taliban revealed

Interestingly, these guys behave like the rich Pakistani upper class people:
Rasheed says he had a large shop in the main market there, selling all manner of cosmetics, socks and stockings, and a few electronic items.

He says he used to earn between 100,000 and 115,000 rupees a day, and that Taliban militants were the biggest spenders. According to Rasheed, they would buy plenty of goods on every visit - and they wouldn't haggle to get prices reduced.

"They used to prefer foreign or branded perfumes and imported body sprays. They liked the ones with a strong scent."

In fact, Rasheed would travel especially to Islamabad and Lahore in order to procure the kind of imported merchandise the Taliban preferred.

"They didn't like Pakistani products :mrgreen: ," he says.


Another shopkeeper from Miranshah, Sohail Masih, a tailor, confirms that the Taliban would invariably be the best customers in the market, spending 2,000 to 3,000 rupees at a time - for many people that would be two weeks' salary.

"They would drive to my shop in big white cars with black-tinted windows and had no qualms about doling out wads of cash," he says.

"The kind of things they would buy, well people like me can't even conceive of buying them.



Wonder where all that cash is coming from...



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Postby Rana » 15 Jul 2014 04:35

Korans, prayer rugs, Urdu dictionary found along US border
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/14/urdu-dictionary-found-on-texas-ranch-near-border-we-just-dont-know-whos-here-already/
“It’s frustrating for all of us and there’s no doubt that we have OTMs [Other Than Mexicans] coming from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia and other parts of the world that we are very concerned with — these guys won’t be turning themselves into Border Patrol like the family units or children. I expect we’ll see more the OTMs of special interest this year and next, now that they know they can get in easier and they won’t be turned back home.”


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Postby partha » 15 Jul 2014 07:15

Time for war on track 2. "Track 2/3/4/..." should become a dirty world in the mind of Indian public. Anyone associated with track 2 should be viewed with suspicion. Anyone part of the track 2 team should automatically be perceived as someone in touch with the likes of Hafiz Sayeed.

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Postby arun » 15 Jul 2014 07:24

X Posted from the “Oppression Of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

Blasphemous Oppression In The Name of Islam: Hold Pakistan Accountable For Persecuting Religious Minorities :

Forbes

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Interesting. Vaidik is part of Vivekananda Foundation, think tank headed by Ajit Doval but comes across as an idiot on TV. Am I missing something here?

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Postby arun » 15 Jul 2014 08:13

X Posted from the “Oppression Of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

Followers of one Abrahamic religion (Christism), flee religious persecution from a country (Islamic Republic Of Pakistan) ruled by followers of another Abrahamic religion (Mohammaddenism) and seek refuge in a country (Thailand) ruled by followers of a Dharmic Religion (Buddhism).

Followers of Abrahamic religions it would seem :

1.See nothing wrong in persecuting the follower of another Abrahamic religion.

2.Place greater faith in escaping religious persecution in Dharmic lands rather than in lands governed by fellow Abrahamics.

Packing their bags: Christians moving to Thailand to escape violence, insecurity

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Postby RCase » 15 Jul 2014 09:03

Oh, how I wish Vadik would have left a homing beacon or a bug or some such covert device at HS's location!

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Postby ramana » 15 Jul 2014 09:10

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Postby anupmisra » 15 Jul 2014 09:14

RCase wrote:Oh, how I wish Vadik would have left a homing beacon or a bug or some such covert device at HS's location!


Why would anyone need that? Just register for one of his upcoming seminars in Lahore or pindi.

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Postby RCase » 15 Jul 2014 09:16

The memes for all weather fliend is now traceable back to at least 1965! :D

http://i.dawn.com/primary/2014/07/53c244cacbbdb.jpg?r=1520892405

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jul 2014 09:28

IF only Hafiz Saed and his confidantes should come to India and his Head and trunk will be kept separately and duly cremated.

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Postby Skanda » 15 Jul 2014 10:00

SSridhar wrote:shiv, Pakistanis may attempt to make Hafeez Sayeed 'mainstream', but the attempt cannot succeed. Notwithstanding this Track IV diplomacy by this journalist, India will never allow him to join the 'mainstream'. Even though, we can be sure that large-scale contacts are going behind the scene between Modi & Nawaz Sharif, Hafeez Sayeed will never get recognition from any Indian government. It will be politically suicidal for any Indian PM to do so. He is at the top, after Dawood Ibrahim, in India's most wanted list of terrorists.


Is the push towards getting them to mainstream politics imply a real threat from India to these terrorists. Perhaps, they are sensing a short life span and hence doing everything to legitimize themselves?

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Postby Anujan » 15 Jul 2014 11:25

Pakistan is trying to set up a Hezbollah model. The same org runs schools, charity, mosques and a terror wing. This way they become self sufficient, intermingled with the society and incapable of being eradicated. They have been at it for several years now.

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Postby वरुण » 15 Jul 2014 11:56

Anujan wrote:Pakistan is trying to set up a Hezbollah model. The same org runs schools, charity, mosques and a terror wing.

Hasn't this been the generic Islamic model since its advent in the middle east ?

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Postby Anujan » 15 Jul 2014 12:33

This lady is inviting a bull cutlet. basically TFTA land scam. Having occupied lands of the British Raj (the occupation itself being on shady legal ground), they "rent" it out to farmers (who have no occupancy rights) and then squeeze these farmers for money and kill those who dont pay.

http://www.nation.com.pk/columns/15-Jul ... -palestine

Okara, the little Palestine?
A big swath of land in Okara and some adjoining districts was leased out to the British Indian Army, which was to be used for stud farming and horse breeding. The way British doled and leased this land out in the early 20th century laid the foundations of a patronage network that was established to keep the landed elite loyal to the interests of the rulers. The lease agreement in 1913 was signed for twenty years only expiring in 1934 after which the tenants were to get ownership rights.....In Okara and Renala Khurd, more than 17,000 acres of this land was now governed by military run Okara Military Farms (OMF).

Under the battai crop sharing system, the farmer who tills the land gets 50% of the produce while the owner of the land gets the other 50% in lieu of providing seed, fertilizers and other agricultural inputs. The farmers – the Mazaraeen or tenants – had been tilling these lands since several generations up to 2000 under the same sharing formula....In 2000, the military changed the nature of the lease in a surprise move. According to the new arrangement, the tenants would pay an annual rent thereby turning to contracted labor with no occupancy rights.


As per the account of some farmers, they had to face the worst kind of torture at the hands of military. According to Mohammad Iqbal, a farmer at OMF, who was interviewed in 2003 by HRW, he and others were produced before one Major Tahir Malik who asked them to make the payments, which they refused. Following this, they were taken to the torture cell and thrashed with a leather whip. There are other accounts of torture, kidnap and even killings.

On July 3, the Rangers responded with indiscriminate firing on the farmers that claimed two lives. According to a police official, the paramilitary force took away the bodies and a dozen farmers in their custody. The farmers were refused the dead bodies unless they agreed they would not register the case with law enforcing agencies. The dead, along with the kidnapped farmers were returned after three days.

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Postby partha » 15 Jul 2014 12:57

hmm..I thought Marvi Sirmed had softened after the attack on her house!

There was another interesting report about some development projects in Karachi where an army rep was involved with the planning meetings 8) PA is basically the most powerful land mafia in Pakistan. They own 5% (and increasing) of all land in Karachi!

http://www.dawn.com/news/1118026/analysis-core-concerns

While jernails and kernails make money out of these land holdings and also get huge plots and farm lands, what about the million mango abduls of the army? Don't they feel resentment towards their superiors? Any analysis that has been done about this?

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Postby Agnimitra » 15 Jul 2014 13:31


Yawn channel interview with Vaidik ji: http://youtu.be/sijVTCDLhkg

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Postby CRamS » 15 Jul 2014 17:37

Something fishy guys about this meeting between the pigLeT and this Vaidik guy. Even assuming it was private journalist meeting a terrorist, it would have made sense if Vaidik asked the right questions, drew the expected response, exposed him as nothing but a TSPA/ISI puppeteer, and educated Indians on the vileness of this pig. Instead, it was a clear cut WKK exercise, with Vaidik declaring that the pigLeT is someone to talk to. I hope Modi and Doval have nothing to do with this. They need to be sincere and convincing in declaring so, or else this scandal will be another albatross around Modi's neck.

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Postby arun » 15 Jul 2014 17:57

partha wrote:


Interesting. Vaidik is part of Vivekananda Foundation, think tank headed by Ajit Doval but comes across as an idiot on TV. Am I missing something here?


Ved Prakash Vaidik’s association regards which end of the political spectrum he is closer to is far from clear cut.

Vaidik himself claims to be closer to the Congress Party rather than either the RSS or BJP:

“I feel bad about this because I have worked with Congress. They are my brothers, my own people,” Vaidik said.

Tearing into the baseless allegations by ‘secular media’ that Vaidik is close to RSS, he himself steered clear, “I have no relation with RSS. I am closer to Congress than BJP.”


Vaidik close to Sonia-Rahul ideologically

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Postby shiv » 15 Jul 2014 17:59

RSS seems to have distanced itself from this buffoon - looks like Vaidik was seeking the V1agra of attention that he left behind when he left the media. I get the feeling that the nincompoop expected to be considered some kind of hero and did not expect the all round hostile reaction he got.

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Postby arun » 15 Jul 2014 18:25

More ............

Congress Party Crown Prince Rahul Gandhi says Ved Prakash Vaidik is an RSS member.

Vaidik says he has never ever been an RSS member.

Ram Madhav backs Vaidik’s version saying no RSS member would roam around with Congress Party members Mani Shankar Aiyar and Salman Khurshid :lol: .

Methinks the Congress Party’s attempt to paint Vaidik’s criminally idiotic meeting with UN designated Islamic Terrorist Hafiz Mohammad Saeed as being at the behest of the BJP Administration of PM Narender Modi has gone down in flames:

"Ya he is an RSS man. That's a known fact," Gandhi said to a question about Vaidik, a close aide of yoga guru Ramdev.

Vaidik, who has come under attack after his meeting with Saeed in Lahore on July 2 while touring Pakistan, denied he is an RSS man.

"Not even for one day I have been a member of RSS. Let him(Rahul) say whatever he likes," he said.

RSS leader Ram Madhav, who recently joined BJP, asserted that Vaidik has no relation with RSS, saying a person roaming around with Congress leaders is not from the Sangh fountainhead.

"Vaidik saab has no relation with RSS. The person who roams around with Mani Shankar Aiyer and Salman Khurshid is not from RSS," he said.



Business Standard

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby KLNMurthy » 15 Jul 2014 19:04


Ok, so the whole episode looks like it is a chankian move by the tactically brilliant strategic geniuses of INC, led by the brilliant youth leader and India's TFTA Prime Minister Rahul Gandhi.

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Postby ramana » 15 Jul 2014 19:32

KLNMurthy wrote:

Ok, so the whole episode looks like it is a chankian move by the tactically brilliant strategic geniuses of INC, led by the brilliant youth leader and India's TFTA Prime Minister Rahul Gandhi.



So INC foisted on its own petard!!!


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr

Postby kancha » 15 Jul 2014 20:23

KLNMurthy wrote:

Ok, so the whole episode looks like it is a chankian move by the tactically brilliant strategic geniuses of INC, led by the brilliant youth leader and India's TFTA Prime Minister Rahul Gandhi.


No doubts on that. But it speaks volumes of the fact that they can so easily get an unwitting (?) guy, an audience with Hafiz 'Saheb'
The links go very deep indeed :evil:


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