Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Nandu » 30 Sep 2014 02:24

Darker shade of green too. Wonderful!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Gus » 30 Sep 2014 02:50

and tallel saar.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Sep 2014 03:32

That's ISIS-Ninja Dark. To show off the fair skin of the owner even without debriefing.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby partha » 30 Sep 2014 08:21

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/al_qaeda_in_the_indi_1.php
Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent claims attacks on Pakistani ships were more audacious than reported

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The banner above advertises the latest statement by AQIS explaining its attacks on two Pakistani frigates on Sept. 6. The man pictured on the right is purportedly Zeeshan Rafique, whom AQIS says was a second lieutenant in the Pakistan Navy. He is pictured giving a "briefing" to the "leadership of the mujahideen on the plan of the operation."

Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS), the newest official branch of al Qaeda's international organization, has released a nine-page "press release" explaining its "targeting of [the] American and Indian Navies" on Sept. 6. The group says the operations were part of "a plan to strike America's military strength on the seas" that was prepared "on the orders of the respected [Emir], Shaykh Ayman al Zawahiri."

AQIS spokesman Usama Mahmood claims that the Pakistani government has covered up the extent of its planned operations and, he says, the media coverage thus far does not accurately reflect what transpired. Therefore, Mahmood has published al Qaeda's response on his official Twitter feed.

What follows is a summary of al Qaeda's version of events and is not an independent account. None of the purported details have been publicly verified by US intelligence officials.

All citations are from the statement released by Mahmood. AQIS is eager to claim that the operations caused more damage than the Pakistani government is letting on.

"The operation was portrayed as an attack on the naval dockyard by 'outsiders' who had infiltrated the facility," the AQIS document reads. But al Qaeda claims the "operation took place under the leadership of two brothers from Al Qa'eda in the [Indian] Subcontinent, namely Oweis Jakhrani (former Second Lieutenant in the Pakistan Navy) and Zeeshan Rafeeq (Second Lieutenant)."

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The AQIS document includes photos of both Jakhrani and Rafeeq. Only Jakhrani was not an active duty officer at the time of the attacks, according to AQIS, as he "had only recently resigned from the Pakistan Navy due to his faith and zeal." All of the other al Qaeda operatives "who attained martyrdom during this operation were serving officers of the Pakistan Navy." (Emphasis in original.)

The goal of the operation was to take "control of two important warships of the Pakistan Navy," the PNS Zulfiqar and PNS Aslat. There "were several Mujahid brothers" aboard both ships and they were "provided with the necessary weapons and explosives required for this operation," AQIS says.

The first al Qaeda team was on board the PNS Zulfiqar, which departed Karachi on Sept. 3 and was allegedly scheduled "to be refueled by USS Supply," which "is one of the most important American naval ships after aircraft carriers."
USS Supply refueling PNS ship is normal?

While the PNS Zulfiqar was being refueled, "some of the Mujahid brothers present on board...were to target and destroy the American oil tanker [USS Supply] with the 72 mm anti-aircraft guns on their frigate."

In addition, other al Qaeda operatives on board the PNS Zulfiqar "would target the American frigate protecting USS Supply using four anti-ship guided missiles." If they were successful, the al Qaeda team would then use whatever weapons were left over to attack or "destroy any American or coalition warship present in the vicinity, and fight on until attaining martyrdom."

A second AQIS team was present on board the PNS Aslat "with weapons and explosives." According to the plan, the second cadre of AQIS jihadists was going to "take over" the PNS Aslat, which was "near the shores of Karachi," and "steer it towards Indian waters in order to attack Indian warships with anti-ship missiles." If any ships got in their way, including American warships, then the AQIS crew on board would use the PNS Aslat to attack them instead.
It'll only be a matter of time before another such attempt is made on Indian ships. If not by AQIS, then by LeT.

AQIS goes on to give a version of events that is substantially different from that told by official Pakistani sources.

The group claims that the PNS Zulfiqar departed Karachi on Sept. 3 and implies that the firefight between al Qaeda's men and others in the Pakistani Navy took place deep in the Indian Ocean. Pakistani sources have said that the attack occurred in the Naval Dockyard in Karachi.
A Paki frigate deep inside Indian ocean? I think the author meant Arabian Sea.

AQIS questions the timing of the Pakistani Navy's announcement that the attack had occurred, saying it waited several days to publicly acknowledge it. The press release reads: "Is it [the supposedly delayed announcement] because it took three days to erase the evidence of the firefight aboard PNS Zulfiqar and the consequent damage to the warship? Or is it because it took three days for this frigate to return to Karachi after the battle had occurred on board?"

Similarly, AQIS claims that the attack on the PNS Aslat was an inside operation and it "was not attacked form the outside," as Pakistani officials have claimed. AQIS says that Pakistan "cover[ed] up the success of the Mujahideen and the moral and material losses and damage suffered by the enemies." Pakistan supposedly does not want the public to know that "the call to perform Jihad...has now started to appeal to even officers of the Armed Forces."

AQIS says that the Pakistani government is also hiding the identities of the other attackers from the public because it hopes to avoid any further embarrassment over "the fact that the rest of the martyrs were serving officers of the Pakistan Navy."

The preface to the AQIS press release explains its motivation behind its planned attacks on the two Pakistani frigates. The al Qaeda branch says that Pakistan takes part in the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan (CMCP), making it part of the supposed global "crusade" against Islam.

In addition to securing "maritime trade routes for commercial shipping of America and other major powers of the believers," the CMCP participates "in the so-called war on terror (i.e. the American-led Crusade against the Muslim world" and prevents "possible attacks by the Mujahideen on the seas." The CMCP also provides "logistical support to the occupying American and allied forces in Afghanistan" and consolidates "their grip on Islamic waters" while "besieging the Muslim world from the seas."

The AQIS statement ends with several messages. The first is addressed to Muslims in Gaza, and repeats al Qaeda's standard call for "revenge" for the blood shed in the Palestinian-controlled territories. Other messages are addressed to the Muslim Ummah [worldwide community of Muslims] and the mujahideen. The latter should not forget "to make Jihad on the seas one of their priorities," AQIS says.

AQIS threatens America, "the Jews," and India.

And the final message speaks to the "Officers and Soldiers in the Armed Forces of Muslim Countries." AQIS holds up the Pakistani Navy officers responsible for the twin claimed attacks on Sept. 6 as examples for all Muslims serving in the armed forces. AQIS blasts the Pakistani Army, saying its generals demonstrate a "slave's loyalty to his master" and "have devoted the entire Armed Forces to the defense of American interests."

AQIS concludes by saying that all Muslims serving in the armed forces should join the jihad if they want to enter paradise and avoid hell. Thus, AQIS is attempting to recruit more officers and soldiers serving in the Pakistani military.

Additional photos included in the AQIS press release.

AQIS claims that one of its members monitored the movements of General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, the former Pakistani Army Chief, as he visited an American warship. AQIS says that its operative tracked Kiyani "on the computer screen of the missile control system installed on the Pakistani warship." This is intended to show that AQIS has operatives inside the Pakistani Navy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby member_23370 » 30 Sep 2014 11:16

Not sure if I trust that article. PNS aslat is a mediocre F-22p frigate and would have been sunk before it came within 200 km of Indian coast. Its only chance of success was to pretend to be PN till it reached close to US ships and then launch sudden attack on them. Of course it would have been fun if it had succeeded. USN would have solved the paki problem once and for all.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby ArmenT » 30 Sep 2014 11:30

Jo Lahore mein gaandu, woh Los Angeles mein bhi gaandu.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/spyware-executive-arrested-allegedly-marketed-mobile-app-for-stalkers/
Spyware executive arrested, allegedly marketed mobile app for “stalkers”
StealthGenie was "expressly designed for use by stalkers and domestic abusers."

The chief executive officer of a mobile spyware maker was arrested over the weekend, charged with allegedly illegally marketing an app that monitors calls, texts, videos, and other communications on mobile phones "without detection," federal prosecutors said.

The government said the prosecution of Hammad Akbar, 31, of Pakistan, was the "first-ever" case surrounding advertising and the sales of mobile spyware targeting adults—in this case an app called StealthGenie.
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The government said that Akbar, as CEO of InvoCode that marketed the spyware online, produced an app that works on the Blackberry, the iPhone, and phones running Android. Akbar is accused of conspiracy, sale of a surreptitious interception device, advertisement of a known interception device, and advertising a device as a surreptitious interception device. He was arrested in Los Angeles on Saturday. The spyware was hosted on servers run by Amazon Web Services in Ashburn, Virginia, the government said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby RCase » 30 Sep 2014 11:51

How come the Passport doesn't conform to Arabic standards and call it 'Bakistan'?


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 30 Sep 2014 19:11

Bheeshma wrote: Of course it would have been fun if it had succeeded. USN would have solved the paki problem once and for all.

This is simply a fond hope that perpetuates the myth of US exceptionalism, power and invincibility. It is part of the "self image of the US" projected by American citizens in many conversations and media. The US could do little after 200 soldiers were killed in that attack on USS Cole. The US will not solve the Pakistan problem if their navy is attacked. they will lick their wounds and move on and rationalize because the "Pakistan problem" is our problem. It is not a problem for the US.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Gus » 30 Sep 2014 19:16

^ need a 'jingopura nuke attack' style scenario for paki attack on US. Oh wait..there is one already called 9/11.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Nandu » 30 Sep 2014 19:18

shiv, I agree with you that US cannot and will not solve the Pakistan problem by bombing them into the stone age or anything like that. However, such an even can lead to US stopping active support of TSP, and that would be a great outcome for India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby member_28397 » 30 Sep 2014 19:32

Nandu wrote:shiv, I agree with you that US cannot and will not solve the Pakistan problem by bombing them into the stone age or anything like that. However, such an even can lead to US stopping active support of TSP, and that would be a great outcome for India.


haha, you have little idea my friend. USA will issue a statement that Porkis are also sufferers of Terrorism and fund the pakis to buy a replacement F-22P from Chinese or gift them one of their older ones. USA and China both sees Pakistan as a leverage against India, they will use the toilet paper pakistan as long as they can.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby habal » 30 Sep 2014 19:40

In a sense you can understand how much USA dislikes India as far as they strive to forgive Pakistan for their indiscretions despite any manner of provocations.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Harish » 30 Sep 2014 19:50

Nandu wrote:shiv, I agree with you that US cannot and will not solve the Pakistan problem by bombing them into the stone age or anything like that. However, such an even can lead to US stopping active support of TSP, and that would be a great outcome for India.

After countless attacks by the Pakistani Taliban on American soldiers, executed with the brazen support of the Pakistani military, and recounted in gory detail by everyone from top military generals to journalists, what makes you think such an outcome is possible? Pakistani-controlled assets attacking US interests is an everyday occurrence and does not merit an escalatory response especially at this time, when the Americans are preparing to run away.

The Pakis have calibrated their strikes carefully and the Americans are now used to getting hit pretty hard and tolerating it. Sure, the USN guns would probably have destroyed the Paki fishing boats in question, but apart from that nothing spectacular. Or maybe the US would use the opportunity to lecture us about the distinction between the disciplined PN and Al-Qaeda Navy, and hold the event as an example for Indians to tolerate hits on IN assets in the future.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 30 Sep 2014 19:52

habal wrote:In a sense you can understand how much USA dislikes India as far as they strive to forgive Pakistan for their indiscretions despite any manner of provocations.

The narrative of the heathen Hindu who hates the Muslim was partly perpetuated by the cold war alliance of Pakistan and the US. Pakistan was always the good guy. I must point out a fact that we need to take note of:

Who fought the Nazis? "The allies"
Who fought Saddam "The allies"

Alliance in North Atlantic terms is not exchange of cultural delegations but joining wars. The military leadership of Pakistan understood that very early and actually contributed to America's wars. That is what made Pakistan an "ally". Iran fell out and India was never in because we did not join the US's wars.

The US is a nation that needs to wage wars for various reasons and "allies" are those who wage those wars with them. India will never be an ally because we will never wage a war for or with the US.

Unless there is some massive change of US mindset, a US ship attacked by rogue Paki officers will be dismissed as a flash in the pan. An unfortunate incident of friendly fire.

There is, despite appearances of modernity, liberalism and sophistication of the US, an element of "namak haraam" in US relations with others, except that the equivalent of eating someone's salt would be fighting war side by side with the US. Those are the real allies who are "with us". The rest are "against us"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby habal » 30 Sep 2014 20:14

and if we ally with them they will fight their wars to the last Indian.

but in any case, if that displaces Pakistan totally then there would be some point to it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby CRamS » 30 Sep 2014 20:31

HabalJi, if India does indeed join US in any way to fight ISIS, you can be rest assured that TSP will say me too. And ISI for sure will spread that word in US media, and it will be aired on CNN/Fox etc. In one stroke, TSP will blunt any move by India to gain advantage by siding with US against ISIS.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby menon s » 30 Sep 2014 20:47

I thgink i agree with Shiv,
I was listening to Arnabs, telecast from America, and the Americans are quiet clear on the subject of support and military aid to Pakistan, no matter what. " after the Pressler amendment, it took us many years to reactivate our contacts in Pakistan, which is our ally in a difficult neighbourhood" says an ex diplomat.

So whatever we do, never ever count on the Americans to help us. I recollect what the late, Paramacharya of Kancheepuram, had to say, on India's security, and he said this way back during Morarjee Desais time, " Develop good relations with both Israel and China, America will join you, dont run behind it".

I dont know how far his words need to be taken heed to, but he was a highly evolved person and a trikalajnani.

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Postby Paul » 30 Sep 2014 20:52

The narrative of the heathen Hindu who hates the Muslim was partly perpetuated by the cold war alliance of Pakistan and the US. Pakistan was always the good guy. I must point out a fact that we need to take note of:


It is part of the WASP psyche. When I was 10 I remember reading a Tarzan comic by Edgar Rice depicting Tarzan collaborating with Arab settlers in Sub Saharan Africa to drive out dark skinned polytheist worshippers to protect Jane.

That comic was probably drawn in the 30s.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Gus » 30 Sep 2014 21:00

massa sees pakis as something they can control. i don't know what it would take for them to review this. they are in denial about pak army.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Vikas » 30 Sep 2014 21:12

..and all along you folks were criticizing USA for supplying Naval weaponry to PN in their relentless fight against AQ and Taliban. Pakistani state terrorists sitting in Naval GHQ had already gamed the scenario where someday AL-Q team will have its own naval ships and like Team-A and Team-B in domestic matches, PN navy may fight with Talibani Navy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby pankajs » 30 Sep 2014 22:36

S Gurumurthy ‏@sgurumurthy 1h1 hour ago

A friend sent this whatsup. "Two countries got Independence in 1947.. One reached Mars, while the other is still trying to enter India"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby CRamS » 30 Sep 2014 23:02

"Develop good relations with both Israel and China, America will join you, dont run behind it"

I mean no dis-respect, but whoever said this has very little understanding of US & Israel. Does anybody think that Israel can act independently in terms of developing their relations with a 3rd country and vice versa if one feels the other's interests are not taken into account?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby member_22733 » 30 Sep 2014 23:44

shiv wrote:
habal wrote:In a sense you can understand how much USA dislikes India as far as they strive to forgive Pakistan for their indiscretions despite any manner of provocations.

The narrative of the heathen Hindu who hates the Muslim was partly perpetuated by the cold war alliance of Pakistan and the US. Pakistan was always the good guy. I must point out a fact that we need to take note of:

Who fought the Nazis? "The allies"
Who fought Saddam "The allies"

Alliance in North Atlantic terms is not exchange of cultural delegations but joining wars. The military leadership of Pakistan understood that very early and actually contributed to America's wars. That is what made Pakistan an "ally". Iran fell out and India was never in because we did not join the US's wars.

The US is a nation that needs to wage wars for various reasons and "allies" are those who wage those wars with them. India will never be an ally because we will never wage a war for or with the US.

Unless there is some massive change of US mindset, a US ship attacked by rogue Paki officers will be dismissed as a flash in the pan. An unfortunate incident of friendly fire.

There is, despite appearances of modernity, liberalism and sophistication of the US, an element of "namak haraam" in US relations with others, except that the equivalent of eating someone's salt would be fighting war side by side with the US. Those are the real allies who are "with us". The rest are "against us"


This is a perfect description of the US, and that is why I believe that India and US cannot really be friends when there exists a power differential between India and the US. Either India has to grow in power or the US has to decline in power. Only when the US has a lot to loose by going against and a lot to gain by going with India will we see anything resembling friendship.

Until then the Foggy Battam will think they rule the world and thus should help their fellow Abrahamic Baki brethen against yeeevil pagans of India, since finishing these pagans off was a job that their ancestors could not complete to any satisfaction.

In any case, we have to take care of our behinds and have our own plan completely independent of Unkil.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SBajwa » 01 Oct 2014 00:26

by Shiv

The US is a nation that needs to wage wars for various reasons and "allies" are those who wage those wars with them. India will never be an ally because we will never wage a war for or with the US.



The US is a nation that needs to wage wars for Economic reasons and "allies" are those who wage those wars with them. India will never be an ally because we will never wage a war for or with the US.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 01 Oct 2014 06:48

Paul wrote:
The narrative of the heathen Hindu who hates the Muslim was partly perpetuated by the cold war alliance of Pakistan and the US. Pakistan was always the good guy. I must point out a fact that we need to take note of:


It is part of the WASP psyche. When I was 10 I remember reading a Tarzan comic by Edgar Rice depicting Tarzan collaborating with Arab settlers in Sub Saharan Africa to drive out dark skinned polytheist worshippers to protect Jane.

That comic was probably drawn in the 30s.


It definitely started with the colonial Brits - and we know how that feeling panned out into sympathy for the separate Muslim nation. Pakistan started with the idea that they were a superior people, more like the west and with greater ability to dovetail into western causes. And although Nehru is quoted endlessly by Pakistan and American authors as saying that Pakistan will not survive, it was India that was not expected to survive - with smart comments like that of Winston Chu*thill who said "India is a geographical feature like the equator".

If you look at Pakistan in detail you will find streams of "independent" and "secular thought" - but the two major thought streams were
1. We are superior Muslims who are the rulers of India - in Pakistan temporarily while India fails
2. Our interests lie with the West - we don't like communism and we don't like their allies the dark skinned polytheists

The fact that the west actually believed this to be true even when I was a young man means that the sentiment is "current" - not history. Young BRFites need to remember this 40 years from now and not imagine that 40 or 80 years are a "long time"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby RCase » 01 Oct 2014 07:39

Paki Logic:

Bowling is bowling, asli ho ya chucking!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby anupmisra » 01 Oct 2014 08:03

RCase wrote:Paki Logic:

Bowling is bowling, asli ho ya chucking!


Why not? A college degree is a degree even if it is a fake, right?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Oct 2014 10:00

This madrassa laaagic is like a convicted criminal questionaing the judge, the prosecutor, the jury and even the victim and blaming everyone.
the ultimate irony is the insistence that scrutiny should be done AFTER the world cup. Does any country do drugs/steroid/hormones/performance enhancer tests on their players? i think it is high time there is a crackdown on this front... no guesses for who would be caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby RCase » 01 Oct 2014 10:26

Masood Textile: Chinese firm withdraws investment offer

A group of investors led by a Chinese company has withdrawn the public announcement of its intention to acquire up to 52% shares of Masood Textile Mills.
Analysts believe the transaction would have brought foreign investment in the order of Rs6 billion.
“As … the conditions required to be fulfilled under the Share Purchase Agreement (SPA) between the sellers and the acquirers have not been fulfilled for proceeding with the acquisition transaction within the agreed timelines, the completion of the transaction is no longer possible under the terms of the SPA,” said a notice sent to the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) on Tuesday.
The group of acquirers, namely Shandong Ruyi Science and Technology Group, Shahid Nazir Ahmad and Nazia Nazir, had made the public announcement of their intention to acquire a majority stake in the company on December 10, 2013.


OK. This story starts off as if Tarrel Fliend is backstabbing Pakistan by announcing 6B investment and then backing off. Upon closer examination, it turns out to be a green (pretending to be a cheeni biladel company) on green backstabbing, depriving Pakistan of 6B baki dollahs.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Dilbu » 01 Oct 2014 12:16

Shrinivasan wrote:
This madrassa laaagic is like a convicted criminal questionaing the judge, the prosecutor, the jury and even the victim and blaming everyone.
the ultimate irony is the insistence that scrutiny should be done AFTER the world cup. Does any country do drugs/steroid/hormones/performance enhancer tests on their players? i think it is high time there is a crackdown on this front... no guesses for who would be caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

I am surprised to see that they haven't already accused kufr bania SDREs like Sreenivasan at the helm of ICC for this debacle. SDREs are trying to get paki chimpion cricketers banned before next world cup. Same logic as in IF we had a real space agency and IF we really wanted to do it we would have beaten SDREs to reach Mars as we are so soup-e-rear.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SSridhar » 01 Oct 2014 13:10

Pakistani woman gets the benefit of training at IFGTB - R.Sairam, The Hindu
The Institute of Forest Genetics and Tree Breeding (IFGTB) here [Coimbatore] has made its own small contribution to help improve the country’s bi-lateral relations with Pakistan.

For, the institute has trained an agriculture student from Pakistan in a highly sophisticated procedure that can help increase success rates of rice and forest tree.

Plant pathology

Sadia Siddiqui, a postgraduate degree holder in agriculture with specialisation in plant protection, undertook a short-term research project on plant pathology in which she studied a fungi, known as fusarium verticilloids. It secreted a hormone that increased the chances of seed germination and improved the seedling’s growth.

She was chosen through Centre for Science and Technology of the Non-Aligned and Other Developing Countries (NAM S&T Centre), an inter-governmental organisation that has 47 countries as members.

The organisation offered only 20 scholarships for all the countries.

“It is a matter of pride for IFGTB that it is chosen for this fellowship,” said A. Karthikeyan, the IFGTB scientist who guided her.

Explaining Ms. Siddiqui’s work, he said she was trained in isolating the hormone and in identifying the superior strain of the fungi which can be cultured.

She was trained in isolation of ‘Gibberellic acid’ through chromotragraphic techniques and molecular identification of fusarium verticillodies strains. The fungi can then be sprayed on seeds. Ms. Sadia Siddqui took the course between March 31 and September 29.

R.S. Prasanth, Director (in-charge) of IFGTB, congratulated Ms. Sadia Siddiqui and presented the course completion certificate.

IMO, this training was uncalled for. This woman would go back and produce more jihadis against India. The GoI is unsure of how to tackle Pakistan and different groups are working at cross purposes. There is no such thing as people-to-people contact that would be beneficial to India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby johneeG » 01 Oct 2014 16:19

SSridhar wrote:
johneeG wrote:I have a doubt:
if cheen and amirkhan can give new-clear weapons to bakis to do equal equal with dhesh, then why can't cheen and amirkhan provide the bakis with space tech to do equal equal with dhesh?

Why can't bakis send moon, mars or venus missions with the help of cheen and amirkhan?

johneeG, that's a fair question. Space exploration involves much more than just applying a coat of green paint. Anything that involves more complicated work than just painting has been found by the Americans and the Chinese as difficult to transfer to Pakiland where Milk & Honey flows all around the year and green flags flutter in gentle breeze, again all around the year.


SSridhar saar,
I think if amirkhan or cheens were keen to help the bakis, then can easily find a way to do it. Maybe could have just announced that one of the instruments on their exploration vessel was designed by the bakis. It is much more easier, cheaper and safer to do that sort of a thing than to go ahead and transfer nuke technology to the bakis.

If bakis mess up with the space tech, at best one trip will be jeopardized.
If bakis mess up with the nukes, then any place on earth may be up in flames and covered in nuclear radiation.

Which of the two seems to be easier option?

Also, why transfer the nukes to the bakis? Why not just announce that bakis are protected by the amirkhan nuclear umbrella or cheeni nuclear umbrella? Why give nukes to bakis? Bakis are known to have connections with all sorts of non-state actors. So, it would have been pretty clear that anything given to bakis would find its way to these non-state actors. So, was the goal to give nukes to non-state actors?

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

Postby Peregrine » 01 Oct 2014 16:45

Six killed, 12 injured in Quetta blasts, firing
QUETTA: At least six people were killed and 12 injured in firing and blasts here on Wednesday.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Dipanker » 01 Oct 2014 16:53

johneeG wrote:SSridhar saar,
I think if amirkhan or cheens were keen to help the bakis, then can easily find a way to do it. Maybe could have just announced that one of the instruments on their exploration vessel was designed by the bakis. It is much more easier, cheaper and safer to do that sort of a thing than to go ahead and transfer nuke technology to the bakis.

If bakis mess up with the space tech, at best one trip will be jeopardized.
If bakis mess up with the nukes, then any place on earth may be up in flames and covered in nuclear radiation.

Which of the two seems to be easier option?

Also, why transfer the nukes to the bakis? Why not just announce that bakis are protected by the amirkhan nuclear umbrella or cheeni nuclear umbrella? Why give nukes to bakis? Bakis are known to have connections with all sorts of non-state actors. So, it would have been pretty clear that anything given to bakis would find its way to these non-state actors. So, was the goal to give nukes to non-state actors?


The nuclear mart run by photochor khan had sold the Chinese nuke design to Libya, Iran etc. This is public domain knowledge admitted by Libya and Iran themselves, for which Musuarraf made the photochor "apologize" (of course it was taqqiya ) to the nation of Pakistan.

Now where do you think the Paki got the zerox of Chinese design? Supplied by Chinese perhaps?

Facts are facts, no scope of obfuscation there.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Kashi » 01 Oct 2014 16:58

johneeG wrote:
SSridhar wrote:SSridhar saar,
I think if amirkhan or cheens were keen to help the bakis, then can easily find a way to do it. Maybe could have just announced that one of the instruments on their exploration vessel was designed by the bakis. It is much more easier, cheaper and safer to do that sort of a thing than to go ahead and transfer nuke technology to the bakis.

If bakis mess up with the space tech, at best one trip will be jeopardized.
If bakis mess up with the nukes, then any place on earth may be up in flames and covered in nuclear radiation.

Which of the two seems to be easier option?

Also, why transfer the nukes to the bakis? Why not just announce that bakis are protected by the amirkhan nuclear umbrella or cheeni nuclear umbrella? Why give nukes to bakis? Bakis are known to have connections with all sorts of non-state actors. So, it would have been pretty clear that anything given to bakis would find its way to these non-state actors. So, was the goal to give nukes to non-state actors?


The British transferred the jet engine know how to the Soviets during the world war when the two were "allied" against the Nazis. Did they foresee the cold war?

The Soviets transferred nuclear, missile and space tech to the Chinese when they were thick as thieves and to prevent the West from attempting to reclaim China. Did they foresee the Sino-Soviet split?

Americans and Chinese actively and passively, overtly and covertly encouraged the Paki nuclear proliferation..winking, looking the other way, testing at Lop Nor. Did they foresee 9/11, Uighur riots, Osama in Abbottabad, ISIS, North Korean nukes etc.? Remember, the US president had toi certify that Pakistan did not possess nukes even at the height of the Afghan war for them to continue giving aid. They continued to lie and once the condom was used up, the funds too dried up.

You'll find that the above questions could be answered in both yes and no. One can only speculate on the motives of these powers at that time, but I think it's reasonable to assume that they thought that the potential benefits (leverage and all) far outweighed the risks and their actions were unlikely to come back and bite them in their proverbial arse.

Now space tech is a different matter..it appears that Pakis were far more keen on the nuclear tech and know how than with frivolous things like Space. I believe their only interest was in rocket tech to help them procure ballistic missile, which they got from NoKo.

There have been enough reports that Amreekans were extensively training Paki "scientists" in space tech. Remember, the Apollo astronauts also visited Karachi around that time.

With India exploding the bomb, Pakis developed an unhealthy obsession with having one of their own and focused all their efforts in that direction.

Once they go the bum and mijjiles and realised that the SDREs were progressing by leaps and bounds in the space filed, they tried to repeat the formula with Space tech. However, the world had changed by then, both Amreekis and Cheenis while happy to supply F-16s, Junk Fighters and assorted weapons were unwilling to transfer space technoclogy for a host of reasons, a considerable proportion of which happen to be economic.

Of course, that changing world view have also have something to do with it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby chetak » 01 Oct 2014 17:12

Kashi wrote:
The British transferred the jet engine know how to the Soviets during the world war when the two were "allied" against the Nazis. Did they foresee the cold war?



The british FOOLISHLY allowed the soviets to purchase jet engines much after the war.

The first signs of the cold war were already beginning to emerge.

The soviets were FLOORED that the british were willing to sell items much more valuable than the crown jewels to their enemies.

They quickly reverse engineered the british jet engines and developed their own maybe a decade ahead of the time line the soviets had optimistically set for themselves.

They certainly knew that the cold war was coming but surprisingly for the cerebral british, they did not foresee the ramifications.


From wiki



Jet aircraft designs
Early post-war designs were based on domestic works as well as captured German jet fighters and information provided by Britain or the US. By 1946, Soviet designers were still having trouble in perfecting the German-designed, axial-flow jet engine, and new airframe designs and near-sonic wing designs were threatening to outstrip development of the jet engines needed to power them. Soviet aviation minister Mikhail Khrunichev and aircraft designer Alexander Sergeyevich Yakovlev suggested to Joseph Stalin that the USSR buy advanced jet engines from the British. Stalin is said to have replied: "What fool will sell us his secrets?" However, he gave his assent to the proposal, and Artem Mikoyan, engine designer Klimov, and other officials traveled to the United Kingdom to request the engines. To Stalin's amazement, the British Labour government and its pro-Soviet Minister of Trade, Sir Stafford Cripps were willing to provide technical information and a licence to manufacture the Rolls-Royce Nene centrifugal-flow jet engine. This engine was reverse-engineered and produced in modified form as the Soviet Klimov VK-1 jet engine, later incorporated into the MiG-15 (Rolls-Royce later attempted to claim £207 millions in licence fees, without success).

In the interim, on April 15, 1947, Council of Ministers issued a decree #493-192, ordering the Mikoyan OKB to build two prototypes for a new jet fighter. As the decree called for first flights as soon as December of that same year, the designers at OKB-155 fell back on an earlier troublesome design, the MiG-9 of 1946. The MiG-9 suffered from an unreliable engine and control problems.

The I-270, a prototype based on German concepts, developed into the I-310 in the USSR and into F-86 Sabre in the United States. With the Klimov version of the British Nene jet engine, this design became the MiG-15, which first flew on December 31, 1948. Despite its mixed origins, this aircraft had excellent performance and formed the basis for a number of future fighters. The MiG-15 was originally intended to intercept American bombers such as the B-29 Superfortress, and was even evaluated in mock air-to-air combat trials with interned ex-U.S. B-29 bombers as well as the later Soviet B-29 copy, the Tupolev Tu-4. A variety of MiG-15 variants were built, but the most common was the MiG-15UTI (NATO 'Midget') two-seat trainer. Over 18,000 MiG-15s were eventually manufactured, then came the MiG-17, and MiG-19.

The MiG-15s were the jets used during the Korean War by Communist forces, and "MIG Alley" was the name given by U.S. Air Force pilots to the northwestern portion of North Korea, where the Yalu River empties into the Yellow Sea. During the Korean War, it was the site of numerous dogfights between U.S. fighter jets and those of the Communist forces, particularly the Soviet Union. The F-86 Sabre and the Soviet-built MIG-15 'Fagot' were the aircraft used throughout most of the conflict, with the area's nickname derived from the latter. Because it was the site of the first large-scale jet-vs-jet air battles, MIG Alley is considered the birthplace of jet fighter combat.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby member_22539 » 01 Oct 2014 17:29

^Funny how no one make the mistake of giving us something. The only mistake they seem to make is not giving us things. What does that tell about them and us?


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