Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 24 Jul 2014 12:14

Yawn promptly carries TRS MP Kavitha's statements on Kashmir & Telengana.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jul 2014 16:06

Neela wrote:Yawn promptly carries TRS MP Kavitha's statements on Kashmir & Telengana.

Which is what ?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 24 Jul 2014 16:45

http://www.risingkashmir.com/dar-war-ha ... n-kashmir/

“Kavita had recently stated that the state of Jammu and Kashmir and many other states have been forcibly annexed with the union of India.”
Dar said that this is what the Hurriyat leaders have been saying from decades now.
“Now that the law makers from the Indian parliament have accepted the reality, the government of India should also act realistically and should accept the disputed nature of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, he said, adding, “They should waste no time in allowing the population of the state to exercise their birth right, the right to self determination, so that they can decide their political future.”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jul 2014 17:25

Brad, thanks.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jul 2014 17:29

KLNMurthy wrote: Pakis of all stripes share a collective institutional memory of existing as parasitical bandits, who will live off the tribute paid by Hindus. That entails closeness with India, but with the paki "on top." Neither the Islamists nor the RAPEs will have any problem with this, and the state will be just fine, as long as India goes along, which, from all indications, it will, because India / Hindus have their own institutional memory of being enablers of the parasitical bandits.

This is, of course, Pakistan's "unfinished business of partition".

But it is clear that Pakistanis are genuinely afraid of India. I think some space needs to be made for this thought process. I think we have a tendency to portray Pakistan as coordinated and scheming and unafraid.

But the same behaviour can be explained by a reckless suicidal army. The behaviour is explained in a scholarly way by, believe it or not, none other than Christine Fair in her book. They are damn scared that India will simply snuff out Pakistan. "islam khatrey mein hai" is simply a rallying call - "If you don't care for your people at least care for your religion, we are going to be wiped out by India"

The army have twin fears - one is that the Pakistan idea will be wiped out by India, and the second is the shame that they, the army, did nothing to stop Pakistan from being wiped out. It is the latter shame that makes them pick fights that they lose - pulling out before annihilation (or what they believe might lead to annihilation, whether India intends that or not). Either way there is a deep fear for their own long term survival. That is why Islamization is so good for them Islamization finally gives them an identity that is neither India nor westernized. It is absolutely unique. Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed etc are really unique. They hate India, the staunchly support the army, but they are "local" who are against the US. They are the real Pakistani identity.

My contention in making the post about the future of Pakistan is in pointing out that it is wrong to see Pakistan as a RAPE-elite-whisky-swilling jernail nexus. Pakistan is changing its identity to be united and identified under a "Lashkar e Toiba" or "JeM identity. I am saying LeT and JeM will soon represent Pakistan - and will be the face Pakistan will present to the world.

This face will have no place for track II, thankfully

member_28042 · Post by **member_28042** » 24 Jul 2014 18:08

Look at the destruction. Scorched earth policy.

Zarb-e-Ar$e updates: 20 militants killed in fresh airstrikes in Shawal

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 24 Jul 2014 19:42

Also to be seen in Islamabad very shortly c/o your local good Taliban

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28466434

"The UN says militant Islamist group Isis has ordered all women and girls in Mosul, northern Iraq, to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM). UN official Jacqueline Badcock said the fatwa, or religious edict, applied to females between the ages of 11 and 46. She said the unprecedented decree issued by the Islamists in control of the city was of grave concern."

(Might be the wrong thread but sort of related)

P.S. Who will issue certificate?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jul 2014 20:09

shinee wrote:Look at the destruction. Scorched earth policy.

Zarb-e-Ar$e updates: 20 militants killed in fresh airstrikes in Shawal

Un friggin believable. This is supposed to be a town in the very country that the Shitistanis call their own.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 24 Jul 2014 20:53

KLNMurthy wrote:RAPEtte take on BRICS bank

And a comment on same by some naughty mujahid, posted without comment:
−

Lauda Khan
19 minutes ago
We are nuclear power and can destroy UK/USA/Europe/China and Bangladesh in one second. Also India. If we dont get aid from UK/USA etc we can destroy them in one second. We dont need IMF or any other bank. We can get as much aid as we demand. No need for several generations of Pakistanis to work, الحمد لله‎
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Meanwhile, this is a comment from here

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Jul 2014 23:19

shiv wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: Pakis of all stripes share a collective institutional memory of existing as parasitical bandits, who will live off the tribute paid by Hindus. That entails closeness with India, but with the paki "on top." Neither the Islamists nor the RAPEs will have any problem with this, and the state will be just fine, as long as India goes along, which, from all indications, it will, because India / Hindus have their own institutional memory of being enablers of the parasitical bandits.
This is, of course, Pakistan's "unfinished business of partition".

But it is clear that Pakistanis are genuinely afraid of India. I think some space needs to be made for this thought process. I think we have a tendency to portray Pakistan as coordinated and scheming and unafraid.

But the same behaviour can be explained by a reckless suicidal army. The behaviour is explained in a scholarly way by, believe it or not, none other than Christine Fair in her book. They are damn scared that India will simply snuff out Pakistan. "islam khatrey mein hai" is simply a rallying call - "If you don't care for your people at least care for your religion, we are going to be wiped out by India"

The army have twin fears - one is that the Pakistan idea will be wiped out by India, and the second is the shame that they, the army, did nothing to stop Pakistan from being wiped out. It is the latter shame that makes them pick fights that they lose - pulling out before annihilation (or what they believe might lead to annihilation, whether India intends that or not). Either way there is a deep fear for their own long term survival. That is why Islamization is so good for them Islamization finally gives them an identity that is neither India nor westernized. It is absolutely unique. Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed etc are really unique. They hate India, the staunchly support the army, but they are "local" who are against the US. They are the real Pakistani identity.

My contention in making the post about the future of Pakistan is in pointing out that it is wrong to see Pakistan as a RAPE-elite-whisky-swilling jernail nexus. Pakistan is changing its identity to be united and identified under a "Lashkar e Toiba" or "JeM identity. I am saying LeT and JeM will soon represent Pakistan - and will be the face Pakistan will present to the world.

This face will have no place for track II, thankfully

Are you sure? Is the Vaidik- Hafiz meeting a precursor of Track II.2?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Jul 2014 23:27

>>"The UN says militant Islamist group Isis has ordered all women and girls in Mosul, northern Iraq, to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM). UN official Jacqueline Badcock

Seriously??? The world is spiralling down from comedy to farce.

Somebody asked who will issue certificate; I suppose it will be Ms. Badcock and her counterpart from the Medicins Sans Frontiere Mr. Gooddick...

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 24 Jul 2014 23:45

JE Menon wrote:>>"The UN says militant Islamist group Isis has ordered all women and girls in Mosul, northern Iraq, to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM). UN official Jacqueline Badcock

Seriously??? The world is spiralling down from comedy to farce.

Somebody asked who will issue certificate; I suppose it will be Ms. Badcock and her counterpart from the Medicins Sans Frontiere Mr. Gooddick...

Someone called "Badcock" dealing with a genital mutilation issue seems like the very definition of Kismet. But suggests that the news could also be false, although hard to tell (Poe's law).

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Jul 2014 00:12

Badcock is real, but she may have been fooled on this alleged fatwa. http://www.iq.undp.org/content/iraq/en/ ... _undp.html

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jul 2014 01:03

KLNMurthy wrote: Pakis of all stripes share a collective institutional memory of existing as parasitical bandits, who will live off the tribute paid by Hindus. That entails closeness with India, but with the paki "on top." Neither the Islamists nor the RAPEs will have any problem with this, and the state will be just fine, as long as India goes along, which, from all indications, it will, because India / Hindus have their own institutional memory of being enablers of the parasitical bandits.

shiv wrote: This is, of course, Pakistan's "unfinished business of partition".

But it is clear that Pakistanis are genuinely afraid of India. I think some space needs to be made for this thought process. I think we have a tendency to portray Pakistan as coordinated and scheming and unafraid.

But the same behaviour can be explained by a reckless suicidal army. The behaviour is explained in a scholarly way by, believe it or not, none other than Christine Fair in her book. They are damn scared that India will simply snuff out Pakistan. "islam khatrey mein hai" is simply a rallying call - "If you don't care for your people at least care for your religion, we are going to be wiped out by India"

The army have twin fears - one is that the Pakistan idea will be wiped out by India, and the second is the shame that they, the army, did nothing to stop Pakistan from being wiped out. It is the latter shame that makes them pick fights that they lose - pulling out before annihilation (or what they believe might lead to annihilation, whether India intends that or not). Either way there is a deep fear for their own long term survival. That is why Islamization is so good for them Islamization finally gives them an identity that is neither India nor westernized. It is absolutely unique. Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed etc are really unique. They hate India, the staunchly support the army, but they are "local" who are against the US. They are the real Pakistani identity.

My contention in making the post about the future of Pakistan is in pointing out that it is wrong to see Pakistan as a RAPE-elite-whisky-swilling jernail nexus. Pakistan is changing its identity to be united and identified under a "Lashkar e Toiba" or "JeM identity. I am saying LeT and JeM will soon represent Pakistan - and will be the face Pakistan will present to the world.

This face will have no place for track II, thankfully

KLNM and Shiv's posts bring to mind something I've been thinking about of late: similarities between the Indian partition and the US Civil War.

Many of the dynamics are quite obviously different between these situations, of course. Nonetheless there are some similarities.

In a sense, the existence of Pakistan is like the existence of CSA (Confederate States of America) had they managed to secede from the Union.

The CSA would have had no economy except the plantation agriculture economy, a model that depends very much on exploitative labour practices and extreme institutionalized inequality to survive. The Union, like India, had urbanization, a greater emphasis on education and industrialization... it offered many other avenues of economic opportunity in addition to agriculture.

The CSA would have probably tried to hold on to its slaves, but would have ended up killing most of them and losing the others to escape or defection. It would have become a society of feudalistic slave-owners with no economy and no slaves. Not so different from Pakistan.

The reason KLNM's evocation of "that entails closeness to India, but with the Paki on top" brought this to mind is the following quote from an African-American comic Dick Gregory, about White Americans.

“Down South they don’t care how close I am as long as I don’t get too big, and up North they don’t care how big I am as long as I don’t get too close.”

IOW: The North is perfectly OK with its racial minorities prospering, as long as some separation (physical) is maintained between races... different neighbourhoods, different schools etc.

Southern Whites OTOH are used to having black people live amongst them, even on their own property, but with the status of slaves or servants. In fact the close presence of blacks AS an underclass is a vitally crucial element of the self-identity of Southern White culture. The CSA, by losing its blacks, would have ended up very much like Pakistan after losing its Kufr... in a severely destructive identity crisis.

There is something else. After winning the Civil War, the North (Union) took great measures of appeasement to "reconstruct" the South, including the accommodation of laws that kept the local blacks in the South suppressed (so-called Jim Crow laws). Great efforts were made to mollify the Southern Whites who, though they had lost the war, needed to be kept happy so that they didn't try to secede again.

Replace Dill-Billis for Northern US elite, RAPEs for Southern US elite, aam Hindus for blacks and unwashed jihadis for KKK-type redneck whites, and a picture begins to emerge.

I wonder if MANY of the approaches India's ruling class has taken to Pakistan... from Simla Agreement to Aman Ki Asha, from refusing asylum to Hindu Pakistanis to silently absorbing terrorist attacks on common Indians... can be explained by a similar psychological process that the Northern Whites espoused towards the Southern Whites after the US Civil War.

The Indian ruling classes, specifically the INC, were legates of Nehruvianism... and Nehru famously saw himself as "a Mussalman by culture, and a Hindu by accident." The Indian ruling class from 1947-present saw themselves as legitimate "class-equivalent" counterparts to the RAPE... in the same way as White Northerners saw themselves as class-equivalent, though politically opposed, to White Southerners in the Civil War.

Importantly, the Indian ruling classes also saw the great mass of unwashed, self-identifying Hindus... everywhere in the subcontinent... as an "other" alien to both themselves and the Paki RAPEs. This is similar to the way Northern Whites viewed American Blacks whether Northern or Southern... the Northern Whites perceived more kinship with their overt political enemies, the Southern Whites, than with blacks whom they purportedly fought the Civil War to "free from slavery". Hence they went out of their way to accommodate the Southern Whites, even with policies that continued racial discrimination against the Blacks, after winning the overt military conflict from 1861-65.

Today we see a situation where the Pakistani RAPE class is itself hanging on by a thread to a state where its own unwashed Muslim masses have taken the law (and the Quran) into their own hands. This is where the parallel starts to break down between the Civil War and the Partition. Meanwhile, as of this May the Indian Ruling Class in India has changed very fundamentally, and perhaps irreversibly. Hopefully these twin developments will make Track II completely redundant going forward.

Of late, the erstwhile Indian Ruling Classes who used to pursue the "reconstructionist" type of accomodation policies towards Pakistan have lost political ground. They have now reappeared in the guise of so-called "Civil Society" groups going on "Track II" junkets to Pakistan... but they are the same old prejudiced, classist, urdu-spouting, scotch-swilling people who have always seen themselves as "class-equivalent" counterparts of the RAPE and shared common ground with the RAPE in their contempt for the unwashed Hindu masses.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2014 01:46

Rudradev wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: Pakis of all stripes share a collective institutional memory of existing as parasitical bandits, who will live off the tribute paid by Hindus. That entails closeness with India, but with the paki "on top."
But it is clear that Pakistanis are genuinely afraid of India. I think some space needs to be made for this thought process. I think we have a tendency to portray Pakistan as coordinated and scheming and unafraid.But the same behaviour can be explained by a reckless suicidal army. The behaviour is explained in a scholarly way by, believe it or not, none other than Christine Fair in her book. They are damn scared that India will simply snuff out Pakistan. "islam khatrey mein hai" is simply a rallying call - "If you don't care for your people at least care for your religion, we are going to be wiped out by India"Of late, the erstwhile Indian Ruling Classes who used to pursue the "reconstructionist" type of accomodation policies towards Pakistan have lost political ground. .

Kuttiya Ki Poonch, Always Up
Pakistan’s New Fear of Flying

The author claims that Paki now fear Talibani beating like they were honored with in 47 by Indians.
Yes, my Dear ,Fear is very clear between their ears, miseries they bear in vain hope that Indians might hear and buy Paki cries & tears when they come using sharp shear to make the path clear by cutting Pakistan and Paki into multiple tier. To earn islamist cheer, No wise council,word of rationality they hear so why not just do it what they fear? Light them up like caught in headlights Deer.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jul 2014 01:51

KLNMurthy wrote:RAPEtte take on BRICS bank

And a comment on same by some naughty mujahid, posted without comment:
−

Lauda Khan
19 minutes ago
We are nuclear power and can destroy UK/USA/Europe/China and Bangladesh in one second. Also India. If we dont get aid from UK/USA etc we can destroy them in one second. We dont need IMF or any other bank. We can get as much aid as we demand. No need for several generations of Pakistanis to work, الحمد لله‎
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The dumb Pakis don't even get the sarcasm. Some paki responded to that comment like this and he is serious.

It is time someone spoke the truth about Pakistan's capabilities without apology. Inshallah we will soon have a pure Islamic khilafat in Pakistan and then we wiill show these oily stinky Hindus what's what.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 25 Jul 2014 02:44

Future projection: IMF sees 13% depreciation of Pakistani rupee

ISLAMABAD: The International Monetary Fund has taken into account the rupee-dollar parity at Rs113.7 to a dollar while making projections for the current fiscal year – a rate that implies over 13% depreciation of the Pak rupee against the greenback.

Cheers

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Jul 2014 02:53

All we have to do is change our currency (more dharmic symbols and security features), remove denominations over 100, etc and their economy will be trashed even faster.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 25 Jul 2014 03:37

RoyG wrote:All we have to do is change our currency (more dharmic symbols and security features), remove denominations over 100, etc and their economy will be trashed even faster.

RoyG Ji :

When their Economy is trashed the Denizens of the LotP&HotT will not be able to get refuge in China, Afghanistan or Iran and so they they will arrive in India receiving the Heart Warming Welcome from the WKKs, Sickulars and their Ilk with Open Arms.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2014 03:48

Vishmillah Inbredmillah. Most Bowerful Poaqupine Of Ummah
Pakistan ranked at the bottom in South Asia in UN Human Development Report 2014

Tokyo- Pakistan retained its last year's position at number 146 in the category of 'low development countries' in the UN Human Development Report (HDR) 2014 'Sustaining Human Progress: Reducing Vulnerabilities and Enhancing Resilience' released at the UN University Headquarters today. The country's human development index (HDI), a measure derived from life expectancy, education levels and incomes, did not grow when compared with 2013. Pakistan, an atomic power and population of around 180 million, is thus ranked at bottom in the South Asian region as even small countries likeBhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal are ahead of it in human development. India is ranked at 135, among the 'medium development' countries like Egypt, South Africa, Mongolia, Philippines and Indonesia. Among other South Asian countries Bhutan and Bangladesh too figure in this category. Pakistan (ranked 146) and Nepal (145) are in the 'low development' category, while Sri Lanka (73) is in the 'high development' category. The HDR covers 187 countries across the world and is published annually by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP). In the current report, thetop five countries ranked in terms of the HDI are Norway, Australia, Switzerland, Netherlands and the US. The bottom five in this ranking are Niger, Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, Chad and Sierra Leone. The HDR notes that over 200 million people are affected by natural disastersand 45 million, the largest number in 18 years, were displaced by conflicts at the end of 2012. These factors also contributed to denting the improvement in human development

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2014 03:58

Future projection: IMF sees 13% depreciation of Pakistani rupee

There Goes 4 years worth of official growth: My Guess PKR will be 172 Per Dollar in 2020

MULSIABAD: The International Monetary Fund has taken into account the rupee-dollar parity at Rs113.7 to a dollar while making projections for the current fiscal year – a rate that implies over 13% depreciation of the Pak rupee against the greenback.Though the Washington based lender has not explicitly stated the exchange rate in its latest report on Pakistan, the projections for the current account deficit and the nominal size of the economy suggest that it considers the rupee as overvalued.The average exchange rate for the current fiscal year is being worked out at Rs111.4 to a dollar by the IMF.Currently the rupee is traded at Rs98.725 to a dollar while for the fiscal year 2014-15 the government has expected marginal depreciation of the rupee against the US dollar. The IMF’s report on third review of Pakistan’s economy suggests that the IMF values Pakistan’s rupee at Rs113.7 to a dollar.Commenting on IMF’s projection Dr Assfaque Hassan Khan, a renowned economist and member of government’s Economic Advisory Council (EAC) said the forecasts of balance of payments and imports and exports are based on Rs113.7 to a dollar exchange rate and if this rate is not materialized, the Fund’s all projections would go wrong.
During the last fiscal year, the IMF had claimed that Pakistan’s rupee was overvalued and worked out its value at around Rs114 to a dollar. After initial depreciation, the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) and Ministry of Finance managed to bring down the parity to around Rs98 to a dollar. The average exchange rate during the last fiscal year remained at Rs102.8 to a dollar.According to analysts, a strong rupee may dent the government’s export target of $26.9 billion but it will help contain inflation.They added the rupee depreciation will increase the prices of oil and electricity, which the government may not afford at a time when it has failed to ensure power supplies despite massively increasing tariffs.In its report released this month, the IMF staff noted that greater willingness on part of Pakistan to accommodate downward exchange rate flexibility could play an important role in accelerated reserves accumulation, while helping boost exports over time.The report stated that although recent grants of $1.5 billion from Saudi Arabia and the successful $2 billion Eurobond issue have eased foreign exchange market pressures and have begun to alleviate balance of payments crisis concerns, the IMF staff suggested that the SBP should not place its bets on one-off inflows.In addition, it further advised that the central bank should align monetary and exchange rate policy to further boost reserves.The report also said that while the SBP agreed with IMF that one of the major challenges faced by the economy is to build foreign exchange reserves, the central bank differed with its assessment of an overvalued rupee.“(Pakistani) authorities do not share IMF staff’s view that the exchange rate is somewhat overvalued, and place greater priority on the nominal exchange rate stability”, said the IMF

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Jul 2014 04:24

More on the Herrow of the week "Lauda Khan"
http://disqus.com/laudakhan/

Lauda Khan

I am teach english in Govt College Faislabad, Pakistan. I am also keep lot of interest in news, politics and sakespear, sheli, wordworth, longfelo, Allama Iqbal etc

Faislabad, Pakistan

Bismillah! Please notice the halal picture of Lauda Khan
Also read the various comments that this Paki genius has posted

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2014 05:45

KLNMurthy wrote:
shiv wrote:My contention in making the post about the future of Pakistan is in pointing out that it is wrong to see Pakistan as a RAPE-elite-whisky-swilling jernail nexus. Pakistan is changing its identity to be united and identified under a "Lashkar e Toiba" or "JeM identity. I am saying LeT and JeM will soon represent Pakistan - and will be the face Pakistan will present to the world.

This face will have no place for track II, thankfully
Are you sure? Is the Vaidik- Hafiz meeting a precursor of Track II.2?

The Vaidik Hafiz Saeed meeting sends out such a clear signal that I am surprised no one else seems to have noticed.

I think names like Track 1 and Track 2 simply confuse the issue. Official inter-governmental talks where there is any possibility of anyone making a decision are not actually called "track 1" - but that is what they represent.

In track 2 Indians who wish an India-Pakistan relationship to be "broader and deeper" AND who have personal connections with Pakistan get involved - to make it look like things are getting better. If the notional "track 1" represents the state of India-Pakistan relations, Track 2 represents where each side would "like it to be". Track 2 is meant to show the way. India sends out insufferable buffoons indicating that it is the relationship that these buffoons have with Pakis that India wants to promote. The Pakis send out a bunch of people whom they would like to promote as the real face of India Pakistan relations.

And Pakistan has sent out Hafiz Saeed. This is the man who talks of destroying India. But with Vaidik (assuming Vaidick is not a self-aggrandizing liar) Hafiz Saeed says he wants to visit India. Hafiz Saeed is being inserted by Pakistan into a plane where he represents the face of India-Pakistan relations from the Pakistani side. The fact is that no "track 1" will accept Hafiz Saeed as interlocutor.

But why put Saeed in track 2 at all? Why does this Islamic warrior who sent ten pious Muslim Pakistanis to conquer Mumbai need to negotiate at all with India when Allah will help him defeat all kafirs?

I see the answer as perfectly congruent with what Fair describes in her book (It is a heavy read and scholarly, believe it or not and I am only 15% through). Hafiz Saeed represents everything that the Army of Pakistan tried, and failed to achieve (since 1999 at least). He is a pious Muslim who successfully conducted an operation against India and has proven his credentials as a brave Muslim mujahid who can stand up to India that the Paki army genuinely fears will erase Pakistan. Because of people like Saeed, Pakistan is not irrelevant. Pakistan matters. And Pakistan holds its head up high in the face of nearly insurmountable odds. The "Pakistani David" is talking to the "Indian Goliath" as an equal. How important must he be. And how victorious.

But again - why negotiate if Saeed is such a great Islamic military leadership example? Why not simply continue to use Saeed's heroic methods to ravage India? Why "come down" to negotiation? The answer is simple. The Pakistani army know damn well that the methods they use and the methods Saeed uses can only go so far. They only demonstrate (to Pakis) Pakistan's heroic Islamic resistance to an implacable and huge kafir foe. It swells them with pride and gives meaning to "the idea of Pakistan" being Islam forever against India. But it won't win them anything more than that. It won't even intimidate India into accepting Saeed as an official negotiator for Pakistan. But that is exactly what Pakistanis want.

They are saying to India, in a sense, "We matter to you. We are important. We have the capacity to thwart your rise and disrupt all that you stand for in the way we conquered Mumbai and kept your entire armed forces at bay for 3 days. The way we kept your entire army at bay in 1999 with a handful of men. You need to respect us. You need to be scared of us and see us as your equals. Your peers. And you need to negotiate with our ideological hero-leader."

In one sense this is chutzpah on Pakistan's part. But it is also, in great measure, mere chut-e-pah With any luck it will put an end to unrealistic track 2 talks where Indian morons meet a selected bunch of Pakis and make it seem like the oiseaules they meet represent the real Pakistan.

Hafiz Saeed represents the real Pakistan. A terrorist loser who can hurt, but cannot win and desperately seeks official legitimacy and respect from India even if it comes via the back door

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 25 Jul 2014 07:00

Lauda Khan

The picture looks like was taken when Lauda decided to listen to his mother and go through circumcision pretty late in his career

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Jul 2014 07:09

If that is the case, then he should be called Lauda Khan Jr
Or Lauda Khan Little

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Jul 2014 08:04

udaym wrote:
Lauda Khan

The picture looks like was taken when Lauda decided to listen to his mother and go through circumcision pretty late in his career

The bichhar, young ones, is a halal bichhar of the famous rage boy of kashmir.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Jul 2014 08:26

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1121061/no-mar ... hehla-raza

No martial law until three elections after NRO: Shehla Raza

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leader Shehla Raza claimed on Wednesday that martial law could not be imposed in the country until three general elections were held in the country, DawnNews reported.

Speaking to a private TV channel, the PPP stalwart said that the agreement was reached under a clause in the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), adding that the United States, Britain, UAE as well as then ISI chief Ashfaq Pervez Kayani had guaranteed this.
so we have to wait for one more election before a coup. So coup cannot be prevented by constitution but can be prevented by an "agreement".

Something is going on for sure. "Democracy" khatre mein hain. GHQ is using its proxies to put immense pressure on badmash and co. Whether the threat of coup is real or just harassment of badmash is not sure. Suddenly, Gilanahi has become GHQ spokesman it seems. Two statements on different days indicate that. One is about deal to release Musharraf and the other is contradicting above statement of that PPP "stalwart". According to Gilanahi it seems there was no "no coup till another 3 elections" agreement. So that means coup could happen. Also, he says "it is up to the 180 million Pakis to choose what system they want in the country"

http://www.dawn.com/news/1121289/gilani ... sit-timing

Another GHQ proxy, Imran Khan is making all kinds of statements in the backdrop of Aug14th tsunami rally indirectly hinting that badmash gobarment will have to go. There was another report about Zardari meeting Biden to remind him of US commitment for democracy in Pakistan

. The same report speculated about a "national unity" government in Pakistan. Here is that report - http://www.dawn.com/news/1121006/news-o ... eculations

Todin, Siraj Ul Haq, the amir khan of Jamaat, has said this -

Govt be allowed to serve 5-year term: Sirajul Haq

LAHORE: Amir Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Sirajul Haq Thursday said former prime minister Yusuf Raza Gilani’s coming to the limelight and letting out a string of disclosures indicate that something fishy was going on.

He said: “God willing, after August 14 we will also see August 15, 16 and so on.”

Considering all the above + badmash going to KSA probably to prevent coup back home, daal mein kuch kaala hain.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jul 2014 08:48

India-Pakistan gas pipeline may be completed in a year

The proposed India-Pakistan pipeline, through which India plans to supply natural gas to Pakistan, may be completed within a year, The Hindu has learnt.

The pipeline, being put in place by the Gas Authority of India Ltd (GAIL), will start from Gujarat and reach Punjab passing through Madhya Pradesh, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh.

GAIL will source liquified natural gas (LNG) from international suppliers, which will then be regasified at the LNG terminal at Dahej in Gujarat, for supply to Pakistan.

“The pipeline may be completed in 12 months,” official sources said on Thursday.

India had granted basic customs duty exemption of 5 per cent on regasified LNG for supply to Pakistan in this year’s budget, opening up avenues of expanded energy trade with the neighbour.The proposed project will utilise GAIL’s existing Dadri-Bawana-Nangal pipeline network, which now extends to Jalandhar.

“This may be extended to Lahore via Amritsar by laying a 110-km pipeline of 24-inch diametre,” the sources said.

The pipeline will start at Dahej in Gujarat, pass through Vijaipur in Madhya Pradesh, Dadri in Uttar Pradesh, Bawana in Delhi before reaching Nangal in Punjab.

This must be a chanakyan move. It can't be anything else because it has not come from Man Mohan singh.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2014 08:50

udaym wrote:
Lauda Khan

The picture looks like was taken when Lauda decided to listen to his mother and go through circumcision pretty late in his career

Maybe all this should be in benis, but that is a look of ecstasy. The man is happy. Pliss to see his bliss and piss of mind.

khan · Post by **khan** » 25 Jul 2014 08:51

Rudradev wrote: There is something else. After winning the Civil War, the North (Union) took great measures of appeasement to "reconstruct" the South, including the accommodation of laws that kept the local blacks in the South suppressed (so-called Jim Crow laws). Great efforts were made to mollify the Southern Whites who, though they had lost the war, needed to be kept happy so that they didn't try to secede again.

This is complete nonsense. The civil war broke the south militarily and reconstruction broke them psychologically. Blacks were given land, southern whites had to live with their former slaves representing them in state house and congress. Reconstruction was in effect for a good decade after the civil war before it gradually faded away (because of economic issues in the North IIRC). Once attention shifted, things slipped back - but it was never as bad as it was with slavery.

If India had "reconstructed" Pakistan after 1971, Pakistan wouldn't even dream of looking at India in the eye today.

It would behoove Leaders in government and members of this august forum to think up of ways Pakistan can be "reconstructed" to de-jehadify them when they collapse (one way or the other). I am thinking of things like, an Ahmedia President, equal representation of the provinces in one House of Parliament, 30-50% reservation of women in said Parliament, confiscation/redistribution of military lands and "Fauji" companies and so on.

Beating Pakistan militarily or watching them implode with no further action on our part will do nothing. They will just become Gaza x 200. They need to be "reconstructed" for this to end.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2014 08:53

SSridhar wrote:
This must be a chanakyan move. It can't be anything else because it has not come from Man Mohan singh.

I just wonder - Paki natural gas does not seem to get across the Indus because the pipelines are destroyed in Baluchistan. So imported gas comes to Gujarat and is pumped into Pakistan from India.

It would be a laugh to get stuff shipped out of Gwadar to Gujarat and then sent to Pakjab with extra service charge.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2014 09:06

khan wrote: Beating Pakistan militarily or watching them implode with no further action on our part will do nothing. They will just become Gaza x 200. They need to be "reconstructed" for this to end.

The idea cannot be faulted, but Pakis have not been sitting still. They have converted most of Pakjab into an ideological base that imagines itself as protecting Islam against kuffar Indians.

If India fights them, it proves that India is against Pakistan and Islam

If India is friendly with them, it proves the validity of their model and their importance to India and India's failure in defeating them.

Either way, Pakis end up being right by their model. That is the only way they can survive

Attack Pakistan to "reconstruct" it would prove to them that their fears about India are right. Talking to them and trading with them proves that they are so important that we have to respect them despite their acting unreasonable.

If there is an in between path that neither attacks them nor gives them anything, it does interesting things to Pakistan.

Not attacking them is an easy option to take. But not giving them anything to make them feel important to India seems to be a more difficult trick. As Lauda Khan said - everyone gives Pakistan stuff.

khan · Post by **khan** » 25 Jul 2014 09:24

Shiv,

Way I see it Pakistan can collapse with our help or without.

If the collapse with our help, we can get them to sign what needs to be signed (reconstruction terms) on the surrender document.

If they collapse without our help, we have a lot less skin in the game. If they come to us begging for aid/concessions, We can make their demands conditional on the reconstruction terms. If they don't come to us, it isn't like we invested a whole lot in their collapse. That said, once they hit rock bottom they have to normalize things with us - we are by far their most important trading partner and after the collapse - they will need us even more. We need to make any concessions conditional on the reconstruction terms. There is no sense aiding a state that is structurally set up to oppose us.

Either way, I think our end game should be to make Pakistan a secular state in all bit name - legally at least, the population will follow in a few generations.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2014 09:28

shiv wrote:
khan wrote: Either way, Pakis end up being right by their model. That is the only way they can survive.If there is an in between path that neither attacks them nor gives them anything, it does interesting things to Pakistan.Not attacking them is an easy option to take. . As Lauda Khan said - everyone gives Pakistan stuff.

Pakistan is acknowledged but not accepted whenever any Indian invalidate TNT . BTW Lauda Khan is deeper, firmer and sweetest friend of Musharraf. Reconstruct Pakistan when the land is under our control. Its not in India's interest to embarrase pakistan so Paki burdened by our benevolence cant look into our eyes, rather removing those eyes will solve the problem for life.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 25 Jul 2014 09:35

shiv wrote: The Vaidik Hafiz Saeed meeting sends out such a clear signal that I am surprised no one else seems to have noticed.

Shiv Sir, in addition to what you write on Hafiz Saeed, IMO, the Vaidic-Hafiz Saeed meeting has done immense damage to the credibility of Track II diplomacy in popular perception. I think, Track II proponents are the ones who lost a lot in this episode though they were targeting the NDA government.

khan · Post by **khan** » 25 Jul 2014 09:39

shiv wrote: If there is an in between path that neither attacks them nor gives them anything, it does interesting things to Pakistan.

My understanding is that this is our current policy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jul 2014 11:47

Pakistan 'working' to give India MFN status - DT

Pakistan said on Thursday that it was working to give India the “most-favoured nation” status.
Islamabad said it would re-start work on improving trade ties with arch-rival India when the two nations’ foreign ministers meet in Islamabad next month.{Oh, this is just to get the 'peace talks' re-started. Every Indian Government wants to have a first-hand experience of Pakistani perfidy.} Pakistan had pledged to grant India “Most Favoured Nation (MFN)” status by the end of 2012, meaning Indian exports would be treated the same as those from other nations, but so far has not done so. India granted Pakistan MFN status in 1999. “When the dialogue process resumes, we hope to build on the work already done in this regard,” {The next steps are lying with Pakistan for the last 3 years. What is there 'to build on the work already done'? India has nothing more to offer, Or, wait, has it?} Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said at a weekly press briefing. The foreign secretaries of Pakistan and India are set to meet in Islamabad on August 25 in the neighbouring countries’ latest attempt at improving ties.

The proposed meeting, announced by Pakistan’s Foreign Office on Wednesday, comes after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif held talks with his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi in New Delhi following the Hindu hardliner’s inauguration in May. Chaudhry said there were number of issues on both sides for normalising bilateral trade which included “making sure that vulnerable sectors are protected and the issue of the non-tariff barriers in India and the issue of imbalance of trade and certain other infrastructure-related issue.” {Pakistan is building a fresh case for further talks on MFN. He is surreptitiously inserting this clause, "both sides have a number of issues". There is nothing on the Indian side.}

MFN status will mean India can export 6,800 items to Pakistan, up from around 2,000 at present, and the countries aim to lift bilateral trade to $6 billion within three years, officials have said. Trade between the two countries is presently around $2.5 billion, with Indian exports accounting for $1.75 billion, according to the Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry. A futher $3 billion is thought to be channelled through Dubai, almost all of it in Pakistani imports, though the business community believes that if Pakistan grants India MFN status the imbalance could change..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2014 13:55

khan wrote: If the collapse with our help, we can get them to sign what needs to be signed (reconstruction terms) on the surrender document.

I like to look at the meaning of "collapse" in the Pakistani context because Pakistan is already almost fully collapsed. I will explain that and I will say what I think needs to "collapse" further.

If you look ate what happened in the US after Hurricane Katrina you get an idea of "collapse of the state". I don't think it was that bad even after last years snowstorms and power outages. For New Orleans there was devastation. Everything came to a standstill and help had to pour in from the outside. For a developed country collapse has much greater meaning than for Pakistan

In Pakistan people are managing without government services. There is little power. Services are run by the private sector in a situation where the government does not play a major role. The complete destruction of towns like Miramshah and other towns has no effect on the country. No one is pouring in with aid. People are accustomed to making do with irregular power supply, unreliable public transport, little healthcare, practically no policing. Schooling and education works in some places, and is absent in other places. Same for sanitation. Nothing that the government is supposed to do works very well.

And yet people carry on with their lives. Countries do survive and run even in a collapsed state.

So what makes Pakistan a functioning country? Mainly the army and the civil infrastructure left by the British - both of which extend to all areas of the country. These are the very systems that receive funds from the US and fourfathers.

Collapse of Pakistan is mainly collapse of the army. Armies don't fold up without war. But they can split into factions. The Pakistan army has never done that. they have remained united. The Pakistan army has remained united even as pieces of Pakistan have broken off. As the army is able to control less and less of the country, the army will stay united, but will retreat from what they have lost.

If we ignore Bangladesh, Waziristan is an interesting case. I am not at all sure that Pakistani wil achieve success with its scorched earth tactics. They may be losing Waziristan forever. I might be wrong. Pakis on DFI seem sanguine that al iz vel in Waziristan. But I can't see how that much damage and a refugee situation can be normalized.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 25 Jul 2014 14:35

shiv wrote:
shinee wrote:Look at the destruction. Scorched earth policy.

Zarb-e-Ar$e updates: 20 militants killed in fresh airstrikes in Shawal

Un friggin believable. This is supposed to be a town in the very country that the Shitistanis call their own.

Gaza looks like Disneyland, yet no protest march in Londonistan.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 25 Jul 2014 16:14

Gagan wrote:
More on the Herrow of the week "Lauda Khan"
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Lauda Khan

I am teach english in Govt College Faislabad, Pakistan. I am also keep lot of interest in news, politics and sakespear, sheli, wordworth, longfelo, Allama Iqbal etc

Faislabad, Pakistan
Bismillah! Please notice the halal picture of Lauda Khan
Also read the various comments that this Paki genius has posted

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Holy Goat - What is he going to Throat!

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