Internal Security Watch

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Apr 2015 12:13

Aditya_V wrote:I am PMK will be up in arms with 20 people from Vellore district killed in Seshachalam hills.

Didn't the dead also include folks from bihar and bangladesh??

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Apr 2015 13:16

kmkraoind wrote:It seems 5 SIMI/ISI terrorists were gunned down in Telangana and 20 red sandal wood smugglers in Chittor dist of AP.
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A quick question gents. There were around 5 SIMI-ians who had escaped from a jail in MP. So is it that:-
1. Two of this bunch were shot dead by AP Police a day back?
2. That leaves three SIMI-ians still on the run
3. The 5 SIMI-ians who were alloted their 72 virgins today seems to be folks who are already in prison in Telengana, who tried to make an escape.

So if my calculation is right 3 SIMI-ians from MP Jail-break gang still has to be accounted for. They are still on the run?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 Apr 2015 13:48

Yes, those 3 Simians are still at large.

These 5 ISI/Simians showed charlatanism while being transported in a secure van to a Hyd court, and they got bumped off when they attacked a strong 19+ armed police escort personnel.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Apr 2015 13:55

Aditya_V wrote:I am PMK will be up in arms with 20 people from Vellore district killed in Seshachalam hills.

NDTV News feed ‏@ndtvfeed 18m18 minutes ago

20 Shot Dead in Andhra Pradesh Forests, Strong Protests by Tamil Nadu http://goo.gl/fb/o9I4QR (video)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 07 Apr 2015 14:04

KCR is definitely backing the Police and SIT. He is in line with the Central agencies and he is extending all cooperation to various state police forces currently rushing to Hyderabad. One thing I like about KCR is he simply doesn't care if he has made up his mind. No amount of Media pressure will sway him unlike other BJP CMs. Take example of shifting Secretariat for vastu, implementing Cow-Slaughter ban, declaring Y-Gutta a spiritual centre. All Owaisi could do was nod his head and walk away.
I hope the SIMIans will never be caught 'officially'. I hope they are already bumped off and we can use the 3 SIMIans unaccounted officially so for 'credited' to our 'account' for future use.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 Apr 2015 14:53

If you click the Eenadu paper link, there are some photos. It not like old police van with side seat, but its a regular bus with row seats. Yet, these highly trained and motivated Simians dared to snatch guns from police from such tight spaces and tried to escape away. Even the mini-bus seems to be brand new, even polythene covers from seats have not removed.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 07 Apr 2015 16:40

So KCR dispatches Jihadis to their 72 in Telangana and CBN does the same to chandan chor EJs in Seemaandhra.

AP united against terrorism? Hopefully so and long may it continue.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Apr 2015 16:47

Moderator, not sure where to put this news-item.
Rakta Chandanam smuggling
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... ter-142653

In a major victory over red sanders smugglers of sorts, Kollam Gangi Reddy, who ran a highly-organized red sanders smuggling racket in Chittoor, Nellore, Kurnool and Kadapa districts, was arrested by the Interpol in Mauritius in the month of March. Gangi Reddy was active in Naxal movement few years ago and was one of an accused in the claymore mine attack on Chief Minister N. Chandrababu Naidu at Alipiri in 2003.

Reddy started smuggling red sanders in 2002, when he was introduced to a notorious smuggler, Venkatarama Raju, by one of the forest watchman. In later years he joined hands with notorious international kingpin Sahul to make a quick buck. He operated with absolute freedom not only in the Seshachalam hill ranges, spread from Tirupati to Mydukur, but beyond Indian shores. Andhra Pradesh government is trying to secure extradition from the island nation.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Apr 2015 17:48

The SIMI terrorists killed Telangana police execution style a few days ago.

Apparently Nalgonda became a hub of SIMI and police are keeping tabs of many of these people.

Currently there is a debate in TG and AP whether the police should carry sufficient weapons. "Ati sarvatra varjayet!" American police carry too many weapons and Indian police too little to none.

The Red Sandalwood smuggling gang is burning whole forests to remove traces of their smuggling activities. Earlier the smuggling coolies killed few police and even burned their bodies IIRC.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 07 Apr 2015 19:16

I think one of the dead simian is Vikaruddin. His name sounds familiar. I think he was one who shot and killed a cop when they were trying to catch him in Hyderabad. The whole operation looks like a SOP when orders come from higher level to bump off the criminals

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Apr 2015 04:09

yvijay wrote:I think one of the dead simian is Vikaruddin. His name sounds familiar. I think he was one who shot and killed a cop when they were trying to catch him in Hyderabad. The whole operation looks like a SOP when orders come from higher level to bump off the criminals

Yup...same guy!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Apr 2015 04:21

Aditya_V wrote:I am PMK will be up in arms with 20 people from Vellore district killed in Seshachalam hills.

from what i read/heard - it looks like those laborers were shot and then bodies arranged with cut wood and weapons.

seems like revenge for the death of police earlier. while these people needed to be arrested, i don't see why they should be shot dead.

if they had to shoot somebody, why not shoot the big wigs behind this, instead of laborers.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 08 Apr 2015 05:22

According to Andhra Jyothy, the smugglers first saw only couple of cops initially and started attacking them with rocks. When other police heard the voices they came to their rescue. But the smugglers didn't stop attacking them. In the confusion, the cops shot indiscriminately at them. It's only after the shootout they found out about the large number of casualties. Incidentally two cops were killed previously in the same manner by using rocks. Back then the forest task force were not allowed to carry weapons and they had to pay with their life. Weapons were issued to them after that attack.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Apr 2015 07:02

yeah..they all died there, in an orderly fashion, with cut logs nearby, away from trees

this is nothing but murder.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 08:40

By all means,stop poaching and arrest the offenders.We cannot allow murder by forest/police officials.In incidents with inter-state ramifications,the trigger can have unintended catastrophic consequences.

The incident is particularly sad given tamils and telugus share stong relationships(Ofcourse if 12 were tamils,the rest were telugus).My sense is nothing will come out and the issue will hushed up given the strong tamil-telugu relationships.Shudder to think what would have happened if it was a TN-KA incident.There could have been a war.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 Apr 2015 08:44

svenkat wrote:The incident is particularly sad given tamils and telugus share stong relationships(Ofcourse if 12 were tamils,the rest were telugus).My sense is nothing will come out and the issue will hushed up given the strong tamil-telugu relationships.

I too agree with the opinion that the order to use indiscriminate firing came from folks up in the hierarchy after due diligence. Cruel it may look, but this may be to clearly tell all sandalwood smugglers that they can very well get expected to be killed if they continue with the gimmicks. I read in this thread that AP Police (or Customs) have picked up a Naxalite or Naxal sympathiser who was also suspected to be a sandalwood smuggler on the side. So don't know if this is also a coded message to the Naxals, that they can get killed by being a Naxalite OR by being a sandalwood smuggler.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 08:54

I repeat Gus saars questions.Why didnt they arrest the big wigs?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Apr 2015 08:54

by all means, go after the bigwigs and their enablers/mid level on the ground. killing a bunch of last guys in the chain of this criminal enterprise is..what can one say...

yes, they are criminals but being shot like this?

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 08 Apr 2015 08:56

Killing two dozen daily wage labourers in cold blood is not the most prudent thing to do. It will neither stop the smuggling as the king pins will import laborers from West Bengal or Bangladeshi illegals - who probably might be more elusive to capture than South Indian laborers. This stupid, illegal and short sighted move will create inter-state animosity as there are reports that not just 12, but all 20 laborers were from Tamil Nadu.

If CBN really wanted to send a strong message, AP police should have caught and killed some of the smuggling kingpins who have political patronage.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 08:58

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/20-red-sanders-smugglers-shot-dead-in-chittoor-encounter/article7076614.ece?homepage=true

Twenty woodcutters from Tamil Nadu, found felling red sanders, were killed in an alleged encounter in the Seshachalam forest at the foot of the Tirumala hills on Tuesday.

There was tension in some villages in Chittoor district with a large Tamil-speaking population, while about 10 buses of APSRTC (Tirupati region) were damaged at two places in Chennai by mobs apparently in reaction to the gunning down of the woodcutters.

Eight of the slain woodcutters were believed to be from Namiyambattu village in Tiruvannamalai district, eight from Sankarapuram in Villupuram district and four from Vellore district of Tamil Nadu.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 09:29

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/20-red-sanders-smugglers-shot-dead-in-chittoor-encounter/article7078351.ece?ref=relatedNews

The network of red sanders smugglers is well entrenched and most of those engaged for felling the valuable red sanders had in the past worked for the dreaded sandal wood smuggler Veerappan in the forests of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. After his killing, his followers regrouped and resorted to felling of red sanders which fetched good price in the international markets of China and Japan.

For most of these labour hailing from Tamil Nadu border districts, felling red sanders became a lucrative livelihood option, a senior IFS officer said. The smugglers who engaged them paid up to Rs.5,000 a day, a compensation of Rs.15 lakh in case of death to the families of the deceased and Rs.5 lakh compensation for the injured. Though wrought with risk, lured by the high wages and compensation, the labour continued to work for the illegal operations, the officer said.

The successive governments largely failed to contain the menace by preventing the sneaking of men into the deep forests of Kadapa, Rajampeta, Tirupati, Poddutur, Nandyal, Giddalur, Nellore divisions where red sanders was abundantly available. The smugglers apparently with local political patronage over the decades established a clandestine network with those working in RTC, Forest and Police departments. With collusion from officials, the labour from various points of Andhra -Tamil Nadu borders were picked up and dropped near the forest ranges.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 09:35

The world of BRF is so different from the world of local patrons,officials,police encounter specialists,labourers.

I am not a commie/mandalite.but one realises why a left of centre view will always have a constituency in India

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 08 Apr 2015 09:42

I think killing of Vikaruddin is a well laid trap to make ISI pigs come out of their holes. The way Vikaruddinn was killed along with other pigs will definitely disturb Owaisi and his friends. They will plot a revenge against Telangana police. If the Intelligence is in place we can cause a major dent to ISI in India. I dont think this is an isolated "encounter" by enraged Telangana police avenging Siddaih martyrdom. This must have come from top from Invincible Pigeon himself.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 08 Apr 2015 09:43

Would those commenting on inappropriateness of police action, how would you react if a 100-150 strong mob raced at you with axes, rods and stones ?

Option a - Throw your weapons on the ground and run away like cowards - good secular option

Option b - Stand there and get stoned, stabbed and bludgeoned - even more secular option

Option c - remind yourself why you became a cop and try doing your duty - blatantly comyoonal, Hindutva fascist behavior

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 08 Apr 2015 09:44

Altair wrote:I think killing of Vikaruddin is a well laid trap to make ISI pigs come out of their holes. The way Vikaruddinn was killed along with other pigs will definitely disturb Owaisi and his friends. They will plot a revenge against Telangana police. If the Intelligence is in place we can cause a major dent to ISI in India. I dont think this is an isolated "encounter" by enraged Telangana police avenging Siddaih martyrdom. This must have come from top from Invincible Pigeon himself.

wow.. and your source is ?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 10:01

mchilianji,
What you say about 100-150 strong mob is to be 'verified'.If they were naxalites challenging the state,then its different.

I think no way on earth will tamil labourers try mob action within AP borders from what I know of tamil labourers and AP police force.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Apr 2015 10:06

I doubt after this incident anyone from jawadhu hills region will be keen on woodcutting even at 700/kg being offered by smuggler dons.
its quite far away near thiruvanmalai but they bring woodcutters by bus and release them near the AP border.

same for imported BD labour, one disaster and the jungle telegraph will spread the news far and wide.

member_28533 · Post by **member_28533** » 08 Apr 2015 10:22

svenkat wrote:mchilianji,
What you say about 100-150 strong mob is to be 'verified'.If they were naxalites challenging the state,then its different.

I think no way on earth will tamil labourers try mob action within AP borders from what I know of tamil labourers and AP police force.

Sir, you seem too presumptuous with that statement there. Now its a known fact in that area that the same "innocent, toothless" Tamil labourers had murdered several barely armed police officers. It was far too secular to report and probably skipped by most media, but recently found its way here:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150408/n ... ig-manhunt
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"It has been a practice with smugglers to scare away unarmed forest officials by hurling stones and displaying lethal weapons. Although we have warned them about the threat to their lives through awareness camps, they did not take it seriously. Our teams were forced to open fire in self-defence as the smugglers continued the attack despite being warned,” Mr Kanta Rao said.

This is the first major encounter in the region after the formation of the task force. The task force was constituted after smugglers had killed two forest officials, deputy range officer Sridhar and assistant beat officer David Kumar, in December 2012 in the Seshachalam forests.
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Having already killed 3 officers in the past few years, once by stoning them to death, would you still find it incredulous that it happened again and the officers had no right to defend their own lives ?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2015 11:03

Wow...poor laborers only/victims etc. wonder how folks opinions would change if same sort of gents were to attack them or kith or kin in dead of night to take away tree in their own compound.. and many people have had such incidents. fact of life is if these people were in any "socialist" paradise like CCCP or PRC, let alone the not so socialist west, they would all have been chased down for their tendency to use violence @ the drop of a hat.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 08 Apr 2015 11:10

Altair wrote:I think killing of Vikaruddin is a well laid trap to make ISI pigs come out of their holes. The way Vikaruddinn was killed along with other pigs will definitely disturb Owaisi and his friends. They will plot a revenge against Telangana police. If the Intelligence is in place we can cause a major dent to ISI in India. I dont think this is an isolated "encounter" by enraged Telangana police avenging Siddaih martyrdom. This must have come from top from Invincible Pigeon himself.

MARD (R denotes for Rajnath Singh) are not foolish to involve directly in any of the decision making in encounter of SIMians. Its purely local decision, probably some of MARD knew it through their own intelligence agencies and decided to watch the even as mute spectators.

Imagine, there will be a Media pimp/Sickular war had this happened in Gujarat or in any BJP state. I thin, there will be some lone wolfs who must be crying for Terrorists, but their voices will not get any media traction, because of vote bank politics.

MIM Owaisi is actually venturing into MH, UP and WB, now this incident on his own backyard will put a severe dent of his image of "Ummah protector," so all other Sickular parties, i.e. Cong, NCP, SP and TMC will use their clout to suppress the incident now, and later use it (silence and incompetence) against MIM. All Sickular parties are somewhat scared of MIM cutting their precious vote banks. Desperate and charlatan Crazy may join with MIM, but for big kings like Mulayam (fear of reverse Hindu consolidation) and likes Mamata and Pawar does not like slipping away their "vote banks."

Even Owaisi seems to be confused. He is still in damage control mode (to hide his and his chamcha links to any terrorists) and his present silent may cost him of his pan-India dreams later. Yesterday, in TimesNow discussion he did not even once mentioned about this incident, even he has done just 2-3 customary tweets on this.

I too have some questions:
1. If push comes to shove, who will Arap money baggers back, either MIM or rest of the crowd?
2. Why all of the media is silent? Even NDTV is also silent, whose has more influence on them? Arap money baggers or ISI crowd?

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 08 Apr 2015 11:12

mchilian wrote:Would those commenting on inappropriateness of police action, how would you react if a 100-150 strong mob raced at you with axes, rods and stones ?

Option a - Throw your weapons on the ground and run away like cowards - good secular option

Option b - Stand there and get stoned, stabbed and bludgeoned - even more secular option

Option c - remind yourself why you became a cop and try doing your duty - blatantly comyoonal, Hindutva fascist behavior

The option you seem to have (intentionally or ignorantly) missed and which actually happened (per multiple reports) was:

Option D: Round up some daily wage labourers and kill them in cold blood. 7 of those that were dead were shot in the face at close range. It was execution. Plain and simple. Not done in self defence, etc.

Such police atrocities might be OK in some two bit dictatorship, but not in India. Those that prefer it, should go live in such dictatorships. Pakistan and countries to the west of it are good options.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2015 11:18

now certificate being issued by super eggsperts who suddenly know these were daily wage laborers and telling folks to go to TSP. speaks a lot about why india is such a basket case and why criminals can loot with immunity.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Apr 2015 11:20

Eh you can kill 100 SIMI guys and it wont make a difference. The architecture which raises these people is alive and expanding and it is impossible to stop. Slowly ISIS and other homegrown Islamists groups will begin making significant forays into the Muslim community and that's when we will be forced to get our act together.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 08 Apr 2015 11:26

In any situation (war or smuggling), it is always lower rung that takes more hits. Recently, there was a big fire (nearly 9-15 square kilometers) of forest was burned down near Sri Kalahasti. Probably, AP govt enough is enough and they want to send a strong signal, but this incident seems to be a a combination of accident+______.
IMO, the sequence of events.
- A big combing party of armed forest guards started combing.
- A small sub unit of this party was spotted by smugglers and as usual they used scare tactics of using stones and axes to hurt guards.
- Some guards sustained small to severe injuries, and guards thought enough is enough.
- In retaliation they opened up fire and probably killed a small group of smugglers/wood cutters.
- This commotion attracted other forest guards and smugglers to the vicinity of the spot.
- Probably from here onwards, the situation was drifted more towards chaos. Since guards have more firepower, they prevailed.

Now the killing got much publicity, getting of fodder cannon/wood cutters will be difficult for smugglers.
Even AP police are pressing chargers on smugglers and took great pains in extraditing him from Mauritius.
Now, the police/forest dept will come heavily on couriers/food-water suppliers. Now local villagers will think twice in helping smugglers.
Its a sad incident, but no sympathies should be shown on these smugglers/wood cutters. When they get extra coolie of Rs. 1000s, cannot they understand risks.
JMT.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Apr 2015 11:32

kmkrao, a lot of our elite (as seen in this thread) neither care nor suffer from poor law and order. they are either comfortably ensconced far far away or in areas where they dont have to face the actual dangers from these sort of violent criminals. then they sit and pontificate about how policies should be. of course, they will neither do anything to better the situation or go to harms way to prevent smuggling etc either.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Apr 2015 11:34

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/jawadhu-hills-to-killing-fields/article7080008.ece

The economic make-over of the households in the purple-tinged Jawadhu hills is unmistakable.

Traditional thatched huts are giving way to pucca houses with wide footpaths. Almost all the households in several tribal viĺlages now have one or more motorcycles. At some houses, SUVs are parked in the front.

Essentially an agrarian community with millet as its backbone, the villagers can’t explain the change in comfort levels. Asked for reason, many elders in the community said their sons were working in Kerala.

It is not a closely guarded secret in the community though. Lured by the quick money offered by brokers, the agile tribal youth have taken to the red sander smuggling the past few years, a few locals do admit.

Interaction with a cross-section of villagers reveals that scores of youth have been frequenting the Andhra Pradesh forests.

According to the villagers, a tree cutter would earn anywhere around Rs.50,000 in a single trip to Thirumala forests (where the shootout had taken place on Tuesday morning).

“They are being paid based on weight of the wood cut by them and they are unable to resist the offer,” says a local teacher.

“The kingpins of the smuggling have middlemen in every village to recruit the youth from here. Once they return home from a trip, the money due for them would be paid at their doorstep,” he says.

Tiruvannamalai Collector A. Gnanasekaran also admits that the middlemen were luring the tribal youth.

“Even families usually think that their sons have gone to Kerala for work,” says K. Saminathan, Kanamalai panchayat president. “It is a secret between them and the middlemen,” he adds.

When asked why the youngsters of Jawadhu hills are the preferred woodcutters, an activist with a Vellore-based NGO says that apart from the stamina of the tribal youths, the generational experience they have had in tree cutting makes them the most suitable for the task.

In the recent sensitisation programmes, officials from Andhra Pradesh police also participated and explained the danger. Now, the district administration plans to crack the whip on middlemen with full force.

Nothing will come out of the enquiry.Jawadhu tribals dont matter in tamizh social justice hierarchy.Not one telugu was arrested.The east coast dravida cousins will not let each other down.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 08 Apr 2015 12:25

Anyone remembers five Bihari yadavs , who were killed ny TN Police in their flats in Chennai in the wee hours, suspected of ATM robbery for which maximum punishment could be less than 10 years.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 Apr 2015 13:08

chaanakya wrote:Anyone remembers five Bihari yadavs , who were killed ny TN Police in their flats in Chennai in the wee hours, suspected of ATM robbery for which maximum punishment could be less than 10 years.

It was not an ATM robbery, if I remember it right. They had looted a branch of Muthoot Gold - a non-banking financial institution; or actually a pawn broker. Here again the police had quite accurately zeroed in on the culprits and shot them dead. As far as I remember the police explanation was that they had inputs that the Yadav gangs would be armed.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 08 Apr 2015 13:16

kmkraoind wrote: MARD (R denotes for Rajnath Singh) are not foolish to involve directly in any of the decision making in encounter of SIMians. Its purely local decision, probably some of MARD knew it through their own intelligence agencies and decided to watch the even as mute spectators.
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I too have some questions:
1. If push comes to shove, who will Arap money baggers back, either MIM or rest of the crowd?
2. Why all of the media is silent? Even NDTV is also silent, whose has more influence on them? Arap money baggers or ISI crowd?

After the first shootout and the discovery of SIMI involvement, DIB sent a team to Hyderabad, this was covered in local channels. After that meeting we had state police from 8 different states rushing to Hyderabad which was also covered by the media. Then we had this sudden movement of "Vikar' for security reasons to a different jail and them pigs all unarmed and in handcuffs mysteriously attacked 27 armed police personnel and were killed in sitting position in their bus. I understand this is a state police operation but we already had central attention to the whole issue.Also,Vikar was earlier involved in plotting against Gujarat Home Minister and NaMo. We had Vikar for past few years and his usefulness as a live asset expired.
To answer your questions:
1. Araps will back MIM on any day, they may hedge on other players from time to time, But MIM will be their deep asset.
2. Silence from rrruNDTV is a dead giveaway. They dont want anyone to touch their raw nerve. Nobody is comfortable talking about their weak spots casually on a public forum. Any ongoing ISI ops using media will take a hit by slightest miscalculation as social media is unpredictable. We saw yesterday what happened to #TimesNowDisaster. NDTV will never take that chance, They are THE front for FoggyBottom and ISI in India and will work for them without any compromise or remorse. rest is all maya..

member_28539 · Post by **member_28539** » 08 Apr 2015 13:39

another question here saar! if rrruNDTV is so bad for our national health, why do we let these buggers near our armed forces & security establishments so candidly?? Black Lentils??