Internal Security Watch

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jun 2016 07:03

Goon who killed Army officer’s kin gunned down - ToI

Salute to police officers who killed the rowdy. Please read to know why.

Haryana police on Thursday shot dead Ajay alias Kannu Chhikara, the gangster who had last month murdered the father and son of a serving Army commando Major Sushil Chhikara. Ironically, he was killed in the cremation ground of a village in Bathinda.

Kannu had shot and killed Jagbir Singh, 57, and Anil Chhikara, 25, of Karewari village on May 12 just because they had not voted for his brother in the panchayat elections.

The police had started tracking Kannu after the Army officer had written a heart-rending letter to Haryana Governor Kaptan Singh Solanki for action. "A soldier goes into battlefield leaving behind his family at home with the confidence that some law and order prevails back home to guard his loved ones,"; his letter read. "If he's ready to give his all for the country, the least the civil administration can do to reciprocate his selfless service is ensure protection and justice to the ones he leaves behind."

A team of Sonipat police, which had been following the gangster and his men, on Thursday intercepted them at a cremation ground in Jaga Ram Tirath village in Punjab's Bathinda district. A team of 20 cops led by deputy superintendent of police (DSP) Sonipat Rahul Dev, apparently shot back after the goons opened fire at them. Kannu was hit by two bullets after which the others surrendered themselves.

The injured gangster was taken to a local hospital at Talwandi where the doctors referred him to Bathinda for further treatment. He succumbed to his injuries midway. Those who have been arrested by the police are Deepak alias Ford, Rohit alias Neetu, Rakesh and Bhola Singh. While Rakesh is Kannu's cousin, Deepak and Neetu are from his village. Bhola Singh is a native of Bathinda and facing several drugs-related cases.

Dev told reporters after the encounter that they had intercepted the phone call from Kannu and came to know of his presence in Bathinda. But when the cops reached the village, he fired at the police party with his 9mm pistol leading to the encounter. The cops have recovered six weapons, including a .315 bore gun, a revolver, a .32-bore pistol and a .12 bore gun with 54 cartridges.

'MESSAGE SENT TO CRIMINALS'

Reacting to the encounter, Major Sushil Chhikara told TOI that the police always had the capability to track down the goons but it would have been better had they acted with the same sense of urgency when Kannu had threatened to kill his father. "I know that my father and brother cannot be brought back but at least a message has been conveyed to criminal elements who don't value human lives" he said. He joined back on duty at Agra on Friday and received the information about the encounter over phone.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2016 06:10

J&K militants use app to evade Army snooping

June 6, 2016

A new app, “Calculator”, found on the smartphones of terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir, helps them remain in touch with their handlers in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) without being detected by the Army’s technical surveillance.

With the number of militants infiltrating from PoK showing a steep rise this year, the Army found that terrorists carried smartphones with no messages stored in the device.

The Army’s signal unit, which relies mainly on technical intercepts like usage of wireless and mobile phones by infiltrating terror groups to track them, is trying hard, along with National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) and other agencies, to crack this mechanism used by the terrorists.

The technology was first used by a U.S.-based company during Hurricane Katrina so that the affected residents could remain in touch with each other.

During interrogation of some of the terrorists of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the agencies came to know that the terror outfit had modified it and created the application “Calculator”, which can be downloaded on smartphones attached to the off-air network created specifically for them.

The technology is based on the concept of ‘cognitive digital radio’ that enables users to turn their smartphones into peer-to-peer, off-grid communication tools.

The network generates its own signal through proprietary ad hoc networking protocols and automatically coordinates with other units within range which enables users to send and get text messages, share their GPS locations on offline maps regardless of access to WiFi or cellular service

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Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 06 Jun 2016 22:06

https://www.facebook.com/Aurangzeb.Alamgirr/

Facebook page for Aurangzeb and thousands of adoring Indian Muslims.

This is what Jinnah said in Lahore on March 22, 1940 -

It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state.

Tell me what has changed in 76 years.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2016 02:56

Just sense the enormity of this revelation. Incredible how mafia queen/ahmed Govt & media suppressed it for so many yrs.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2016 04:56

^Am dumbfounded...

Tie that in with yindoo terror, karkare vadh etc and the picture that emerges of our obscenely compromised institutions is terrifying.

And that turdball chidu is still not in custody being narco-analyzed in camera (with live DD relay)...

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Jun 2016 06:33

also says a lot about these 9 luminaries who went to an enemy state together. They obviously took internal security rather cavalierly.

Vriksh · Post by **Vriksh** » 11 Jun 2016 09:43

I have been to Haridwar Uttarkhand... UK as a Hill state (similar to Himachal/ Kashmir) has been separated from UP since the UK territories start the Himalayas, Haridwar and all areas north of Haridwar is essentially dharmic and religious tourism being developed as such as we go along. Though the conditions need massive improvements to compete with Switzerland.

As far as 40% Islamic population is concerned it is true of Muzzafarnagar/Bijnour in UP which is the district due south of Haridwar which also the sugar bowl of North India.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 11 Jun 2016 10:45

What makes it even more egregious is that the Home Secy had apparently called at 11 PM on 26/11 and was apprised of the situation. He didn't even make a 2nd call

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2016 11:43

Prem Kumar wrote:What makes it even more egregious is that the Home Secy had apparently called at 11 PM on 26/11 and was apprised of the situation. He didn't even make a 2nd call

Who's this chuteya? Was involved nose-deep in this mess, no doubt.

Name and shame the entire khaandaan, I say. Let word spread that such is unacceptable. No rehab for such perps.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 11 Jun 2016 12:10

As per some reports, he was advised not to call as he didnt have a secure line of communication. Nothing could have been shared with him that is not public as isi goons would have been listening to every syllable.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2016 12:18

schinnas wrote:As per some reports, he was advised not to call as he didnt have a secure line of communication. Nothing could have been shared with him that is not public as isi goons would have been listening to every syllable.

effing baboo(n)s out on a free lunch pleasure trip onlee.

absolutely senseless for a MHA delegation to even contemplate doing this. They could have carried a satellite phone at least.

If an IA delegation had done some thing like this, they would have been court martialed en mass and cashiered forthwith.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2016 13:48

>>@ANI_news
Don't know what purpose it will serve to ask 8 yrs later if we wr deliberately sent to Murree:Madhukar Gupta frmr HS

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2016 13:56

Hari Seldon wrote:>>@ANI_news
Don't know what purpose it will serve to ask 8 yrs later if we wr deliberately sent to Murree:Madhukar Gupta frmr HS

Didn't these morons make the connection at that time itself?? and factor it in as part of their investigations?? rather than ask a rhetorical question 8 years down the line to cover up a colossal error of judgement??

It's increasingly looking like the timing of the attack was selected keeping in view that the Indian security response team would not be in the country.

This also begs the question whether these baboo(n) guys ever do any gaming to de risk or have some prudent "business continuity" sort of plans??

obviously getting wined and dined seems to be the be all and end all. That plus aggressively seeking out some cushy well paying tenures in some amreki think tank.

If they had these inputs, then why did MMS wantonly step on a landmine in sharm el sheik??

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2016 21:29

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Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 11 Jun 2016 23:09

schinnas wrote:As per some reports, he was advised not to call as he didnt have a secure line of communication. Nothing could have been shared with him that is not public as isi goons would have been listening to every syllable.

The entire gang, if they even had an iota of responsibility, must have caught the next flight home. Imagine what they would have done if their near & dear ones were at the Taj that night?

Very likely that ISI gave advance notice to Congress high command to avoid Mumbai in late November. Info would have been shared with key babus too

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 12 Jun 2016 01:35

Most of the elites were feeding off the system that worked to address their gravy train. The system of looking to 10 Janpath for direction has been broken and many are squirming about that.
Modi has clearly understood the dangers that could be wrecked to the ambition for the country not necessarily in the order, by these groups.
1) babucracy - still there are wheels within wheels who are biding time to go back to old ways of cozy relationship with favor dispensers.
2) presstitutes
3) NGOs - assorted pressure groups
4) disgruntled politicians and assorted hanger-ons.

Of all, the biggest challenge is babucracy, because the way it is conceived: it can be thoroughly misused and difficult to wean it away from being predatory. The reformation for that will not come from within. No power group voluntarily castrates itself. Babucracy is no exception and will guard its turf, zealously with/without worrying about the consequences to the nation.

If there is someone who will seriously derail Modi, it will be disgruntled babus. Even pathankot incident looks black-daal.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Jun 2016 07:43

Unless somebody like Modi takes a calculated risk and disbands IAS, this cannot be saved. I have gamed many situations, economic and strategic wherein the single stumbling block is upper bureaucracy which hinders development and micromanages in such a way as to ensure specific companies, cartels or corporations benefit from loopholes. This creates impression of ad-hocism, favoritism and lack of transparency and confidence in system. As of today what IAS brings to table is lesser than what they take away from it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2016 08:36

Army did not surrender Col Purohit to Anti Terror Squad

Army did not surrender Col Purohit to Anti Terror Squad
By Ashish Singh | NEW DELHI | 12 June, 2016

In a shocking revelation in the Lt Col Purohit case, the Army has admitted that they had not handed over Purohit to the Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) for interrogation in the 2008 Malegaon blasts case as the Mumbai based investigation agency had not given them the required Malegaon FIR.

In a response submitted to the NIA court on Thursday, 9 June, the Army has stated that “...In the interest of justice and fair play, it is submitted that the applicant was handed over to ATS Mumbai based on FIR lodged in Pune under Sections 465, 467, 368, 471, 474 and 420 of IPC and the other Penal sections mentioned in (by) Mr Hemant Karkare, Additional Commissioner of Police, ATS Mumbai dated 4 November 2008 are not mentioned in the FIR.”

In a letter by Additional Commissioner, ATS Mumbai, Hemant Karkare, accessed exclusively by this reporter, Karkare had written to the Army on 4 November 2008, requesting the arrest of Purohit in connection to two separate FIRs. One was regarding the Malegaon blasts and the other one was a criminal case registered on the charges of procuring arms licence for private persons on the basis of forged documents. The second FIR was registered on 4 November 2008, the very same day Purohit was formally arrested. The Sections for which Purohit was charged in the Malegaon FIR were 307, 302, 326, 324, 427, 153A, 120B, IPC r/w 3,4,5 Explosive Substance Act, r/w Sections 16, 18, 23 of U.A. (P) Act. But it is obvious that these sections were missing from the document provided to the Army by the ATS.

Based on the facts, the ATS seems to have suppressed the Malegaon FIR, although giving the false impression to the media that Lt Col Purohit was handed over by the Army to the ATS for interrogation in the Malegaon blasts. In a travesty of justice, Purohit was arrested for forgery of documents, but tried for terror, which also led to a frenzied media trial with “Hindu terror” at its focus.

According to three movement orders issued by the Army for Purohit from 27 to 29 October 2008, exclusively accessed by this correspondent, he was being hastily moved from AEC Training College in Panchmarhi to Bhopal, and then to 3 DET SCLU, Mumbai. At this point Purohit questioned about his hasty relocations. As per the allegations made by Purohit dated 2 May 2016 to the NIA Court, Col R.K. Srivastava (who had been issued a movement order by the Army on 23 October 2008 to go AEC Training College on temporary duty) made a hand written amendment on the official Army movement order, changing the destination to Pro unit, MG & G Area, Mumbai. He was, however, finally taken to Mumbai airport.

The Army, in its response to the NIA court, has further admitted that it had no information about the whereabouts of Purohit from 29 October 2008 to 4 November 2008, when he was formally arrested, giving rise to speculation that illegal detention was involved. Purohit alleges that he was taken to an undisclosed location in Khandala from Mumbai airport in a Tata Sumo vehicle along with ATS officers at around 10.30 pm of 29 October 2008, where he was physically and mentally tortured for his refusal to confess his involvement in the Malegaon case.

The Army stated in its response: “It is further submitted that whereabouts of the applicant (Purohit) from 29 October 2008 to 4 November 2008 are not discernable from the available records with the respondent (MoD).” This gives credence to Purohit’s allegation that the Army and ATS were hand in gloves in illegally detaining him and trying to extract confession from him.

According to a confidential correspondence dated 3 November 2008, issued by Major Gen Nilendra Kumar, JAG, accessed exclusively by this correspondent, Kumar expressed the reservation that Purohit cannot be handed over to the ATS without an FIR having been filed by the police, indicating any apparent involvement of Purohit.

“It would be advisable that for the case for handing over the officer to the police custody should only be considered after an FIR having been filed (by) the competent police officers approach the Army authorities. the rationale for this is that only when an involvement of the officer becomes apparent that he should be handed over to the police custody,” the correspondence mentions.

Within 24 hours after the issue of this correspondence, the ATS swung into action, registering an FIR on 4 November 20008 against Purohit in connection to a criminal case on the charges of procuring arms license for private persons on the basis of forged documents in Pune. The FIR was based on the statement given by a complainant named Milind Date.

On the same day, Hemant Karkare wrote to the Army requesting Purohit’s arrest. Purohit is suddenly brought to the scene on 4 November 2008, five days after his last movement had been recorded by the Army on 29 October 2008 as per the records

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jun 2016 10:22

habal wrote:Unless somebody like Modi takes a calculated risk and disbands IAS, this cannot be saved. I have gamed many situations, economic and strategic wherein the single stumbling block is upper bureaucracy which hinders development and micromanages in such a way as to ensure specific companies, cartels or corporations benefit from loopholes. This creates impression of ad-hocism, favoritism and lack of transparency and confidence in system. As of today what IAS brings to table is lesser than what they take away from it.

+1.

However, can't just do away with the steel frame just like that, no?

NM is doing his bit. Notice the # of 'IAS' posts now manned by non-IAS civil service folks. Note also the # of IAS baboons who're running away from Delhi postings - moving back to the backwaters/parent cadre whatever, to bide time and hope for a UPA return to biz as usual.

Going over the heads of the baboons is the only way to get things done and the trimurti of P Goyal, N Gadkari and S prabhu demonstrate on a daily basis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2016 10:58

MKN, PC, Shinde should be given narco test. No doubts about it.
They compromised national security.
Especially MKN.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Jun 2016 11:00

Again I thought that coordination of internal security emergencies was delegated to "National Security Council" after it was formed, but now I know even this is handled by some bureaucrats, who are astoundingly sent on 'foreign trips' en masse.

India took it's security callously before 26/11.

Only 1 IB officer in this group sensed something fishy and excused himself and returned on 25th itself. Rest were merrily enjoying kebabs in some pakistani ghetto. And I bet that the IB officer was not IAS but drafted from some security related service gathering how he still had his wits about him.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2016 11:04

IB means police services: IPS or State police services.

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Jun 2016 11:16

you have direct recruitment also. You see this is the problem. You can come into IB as a direct recruit but they are not promoted beyond a certain level even if they have merit, because the upper echelons of administration are dominated by IAS/IPS types whatever be their competence.

Earlier on even direct recruits could become head of the service, this was stopped by IAS cartel sometime in 80s through some clever drafting and other means. What I am suspecting is this guy has made it through the net because of his seniority predated the IAS shenanigans in 80s. In 60s, 70s, & early 80s, you could find Secratary, Addl Secretary and Joint Secrataries of various services were non-IAS.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Jun 2016 17:03

Should there be another separate thread to unearth conspiracy behind 26/11?

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 12 Jun 2016 19:04

26/11 could not have taken place without active local support. Nobody can just use GPS and walk his way from Cuffe Parade to Leopold Cafe and Taj rear entrance.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 12 Jun 2016 20:02

I don't think any IAS person gets into IB. You need to be either IPS or direct recruit. IPS is OK as they spend lifetime on police and are familiar to a decent extent with police intelligence before getting posted to IB. We need a health mix of direct recruit and IPS posted personnel in IB and RAW. Our NSA Doval-ji himself is an IPS if I am not mistaken.

However, unlike IPS or IRS (Railway Service, Revenue Service), IAS leads to total babu-giri. IAS fellow have no domain expertise unless the concerned individual spends several years in same domain. They are generalists and not all of them distinguish themselves in areas that need domain expertise. For example what Sreedharan (a Railway Engineer) accomplished in executing Metro project might not have been accomplished by IAS babu.

Without fully abolishing a generalist service such as IAS, we need to make it a level playing field in any area that needs domain expertise or raise separate cadre from those that have the domain expertise. MoD is a great example where generalist babus have wrecked havoc.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Jun 2016 10:56

habal wrote:And I bet that the IB officer was not IAS but drafted from some security related service gathering how he still had his wits about him.

schinnas wrote:Our NSA Doval-ji himself is an IPS if I am not mistaken.

I don't think IAS folks are inducted into IB. My understanding is that most of them comes from the police forces. After reading a few books I also understand a few folks from the Army also gets into IB. And then many lower rung police officials (mainly from the SSB and State special branch) also gets "deputed" to the IB for some period of time. This is also good as this leads to an (informal) network between IB and the state police intelligence units as well. Ajit Doval is part of the Kerala Cadre of IPS, and in the early 1970s started off his career in the Talassery Sub.Divn as the Sub.Divn ASP. He was said to have quelled a religious riot in that area quite neatly. And guess that is the only time the Keralites so him. He seems to have moved to the Intelligence agencies right after that.

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Jun 2016 11:06

Sachin, IAS, IPS, IRS, IFS everything comes under IAS. For me that's how I call it. You can call it civil services. But we do call civil services exams as IAS.

point is them are all batch mates.
I call them specifically IAS and not IPS or IFS because their buddy networks are not limited to fellow IPS, but also their sister IAS groups. And that together forms the IAS cartel.

their bhailoge in Ministry of HR and Personnel and Law draft all the service rules and laws (for all service people and all depts) because of which they weasel in self-appointed into various cadres wherein they have no business to be in.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Jun 2016 11:27

habal wrote:Sachin, IAS, IPS, IRS, IFS everything comes under IAS. For me that's how I call it. You can call it civil services. But we do call civil services exams as IAS.

point is them are all batch mates.
I call them specifically IAS and not IPS or IFS because their buddy networks are not limited to fellow IPS, but also their sister IAS groups. And that together forms the IAS cartel.

their bhailoge in Ministry of HR and Personnel and Law draft all the service rules and laws (for all service people and all depts) because of which they weasel in self-appointed into various cadres wherein they have no business to be in.

and infiltrate pay commissions and sabotage the system from within so as to accord primacy to the IAS baboo(n)s under all circumstances.

The IAS has done for the bureaucracy ( meaning itself!! ) what the judiciary has done for themselves, by placing themselves beyond the pale of the law by modifying the very laws and procedures that help govern themselves and thus placed themselves at the very apex of interpreting such laws and to enforce the implementation of these dubious and self serving policies.

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Jun 2016 11:38

they infiltrate and crawl into everywhere. It's like a pestilence.

and once they infiltrate they will block promotions for everyone else a reserve all top posts for themselves. Once they have colonised a particular ministry/service, they will show their true colors, & gaali-galoch on everyone junior. In case they face a problem, they have their buddies from other services to save their skins.

DexterM · Post by **DexterM** » 13 Jun 2016 14:26

Why was the role of the Army officials complicit in the illegal detention of its own (Col Purohit) not highlighted further?
We've had several rigorous discussions on the issue, but it appears everyone defaulted to the position that the IA knew something that we did not and therefore the detention was ok.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Jun 2016 14:40

DexterM wrote:Why was the role of the Army officials complicit in the illegal detention of its own (Col Purohit) not highlighted further?
We've had several rigorous discussions on the issue, but it appears everyone defaulted to the position that the IA knew something that we did not and therefore the detention was ok.

our friend karkare seems to have indulged in a bit of subterfuge with the IA, the old switch and bait technique onlee.

Army did not surrender Col Purohit to Anti Terror Squad

Army did not surrender Col Purohit to Anti Terror Squad
By Ashish Singh | NEW DELHI | 12 June, 2016

In a shocking revelation in the Lt Col Purohit case, the Army has admitted that they had not handed over Purohit to the Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) for interrogation in the 2008 Malegaon blasts case as the Mumbai based investigation agency had not given them the required Malegaon FIR.

In a response submitted to the NIA court on Thursday, 9 June, the Army has stated that “...In the interest of justice and fair play, it is submitted that the applicant was handed over to ATS Mumbai based on FIR lodged in Pune under Sections 465, 467, 368, 471, 474 and 420 of IPC and the other Penal sections mentioned in (by) Mr Hemant Karkare, Additional Commissioner of Police, ATS Mumbai dated 4 November 2008 are not mentioned in the FIR.”

In a letter by Additional Commissioner, ATS Mumbai, Hemant Karkare, accessed exclusively by this reporter, Karkare had written to the Army on 4 November 2008, requesting the arrest of Purohit in connection to two separate FIRs. One was regarding the Malegaon blasts and the other one was a criminal case registered on the charges of procuring arms licence for private persons on the basis of forged documents. The second FIR was registered on 4 November 2008, the very same day Purohit was formally arrested. The Sections for which Purohit was charged in the Malegaon FIR were 307, 302, 326, 324, 427, 153A, 120B, IPC r/w 3,4,5 Explosive Substance Act, r/w Sections 16, 18, 23 of U.A. (P) Act. But it is obvious that these sections were missing from the document provided to the Army by the ATS.

Based on the facts, the ATS seems to have suppressed the Malegaon FIR, although giving the false impression to the media that Lt Col Purohit was handed over by the Army to the ATS for interrogation in the Malegaon blasts. In a travesty of justice, Purohit was arrested for forgery of documents, but tried for terror, which also led to a frenzied media trial with “Hindu terror” at its focus.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Jun 2016 14:58

chetak wrote:our friend karkare seems to have indulged in a bit of subterfuge with the IA, the old switch and bait technique onlee.

Hmm. The Army also seems to be try to wash their hands off this case. The police (ATS is not different from the state police, it is just a sub-unit) informs the Army that there is an FIR lodged against Lt.Col. Purohit under the cheating offences. If the established rules says that for such charges the Army should hand over the suspect too the police, the Army did the right thing. Now even if the Army finds out that there is another FIR registered with more severe sections, what are they going to do?

Here the police seems to have used one FIR to get the man they wanted (for what ever reasons). But they can always say that upon the "interrogation of a suspect" in the cheating case, they found out more severe matters, which led to the lodging of an FIR using other sections and an investigation was started based on that.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Jun 2016 15:08

ramana wrote:MKN, PC, Shinde should be given narco test. No doubts about it.
They compromised national security.
Especially MKN.

from reports, MKN wanted a second term as NSA to continue to benefit his benefactors, the congi royal family and the termite queen in particular.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Jun 2016 15:33

Sachin wrote:
chetak wrote:our friend karkare seems to have indulged in a bit of subterfuge with the IA, the old switch and bait technique onlee.
Hmm. The Army also seems to be try to wash their hands off this case. The police (ATS is not different from the state police, it is just a sub-unit) informs the Army that there is an FIR lodged against Lt.Col. Purohit under the cheating offences. If the established rules says that for such charges the Army should hand over the suspect too the police, the Army did the right thing. Now even if the Army finds out that there is another FIR registered with more severe sections, what are they going to do?

Here the police seems to have used one FIR to get the man they wanted (for what ever reasons). But they can always say that upon the "interrogation of a suspect" in the cheating case, they found out more severe matters, which led to the lodging of an FIR using other sections and an investigation was started based on that.

IIRC, the Army is "required" to hand over custody in the cases of rape and murder.

The saint / MOD may have something to do with the IA handing over Col Purohit, as he was the defence Minister and some file noting may have gone up and down in this high profile "terror" case . The IA would not have acted on it's own volition, for sure, because they had a very different explanation of Purohit's connections with "hindu terror" groups.

The Board of Inquiry report of Purohit's investigation by the IA was not even seen or taken into cognizance by the ATS and now the same has now been released to the CBI on the specific orders of Parrikar.

karkare's complicity in this unholy mess is not in any question at all. He may have even been silenced by the powers that be to preempt any leakage of the involvement of congi higher ups. Being shot very conveniently by kasab and gang is a bit too much.

What ever happened to that eminence grise and all complete round shit col(??) Shrivastava?? who took Purohit to bombay, under false pretenses and gave him up to the ATS??

not a peep out of him or even the slightest mention of him

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 13 Jun 2016 16:06

I would like to bring to notice couple of fellows who are the path to become Jihadists. Havinhg interacted with them for almost 3 years - i sense the change. These guys are IT savy. How and to whom should i bring them to notice?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Jun 2016 16:45

skaranam wrote:I would like to bring to notice couple of fellows who are the path to become Jihadists. Havinhg interacted with them for almost 3 years - i sense the change. These guys are IT savy. How and to whom should i bring them to notice?

You know them personally or via online?

I don't think any agency can do anything unless they commit a crime. But you can drop a mail/tweet to Home Ministry asking about the same.

What do these guys say/do?

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 13 Jun 2016 17:46

Chandragupta wrote:
skaranam wrote:I would like to bring to notice couple of fellows who are the path to become Jihadists. Havinhg interacted with them for almost 3 years - i sense the change. These guys are IT savy. How and to whom should i bring them to notice?
You know them personally or via online?

I don't think any agency can do anything unless they commit a crime. But you can drop a mail/tweet to Home Ministry asking about the same.

What do these guys say/do?

Personally ....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jun 2016 20:09

Which country you are in US or desh? If latter forget it!!!! And even if its the former so also forget it.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 13 Jun 2016 20:18

skaranam wrote:I would like to bring to notice couple of fellows who are the path to become Jihadists. Havinhg interacted with them for almost 3 years - i sense the change. These guys are IT savy. How and to whom should i bring them to notice?

Skaranam garu,
Even if not much send them below link anonymously of course.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=1&t=7197

At least they won't feel they have not been warned to not take Arab ideology (called Islam) that seriously.