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chetak wrote:BTW, didn't the authorities recently catch a 3000 cr haul heroin from near the lakshadweep islands
That was from a Sri Lankan vessel. And there were 'seculars' who compared the Mundra port incident with that of Lakshadweep and trying to spin a story that Adani & Co will be let of easily - when there is no charge against him - where as Lakshadweep islanders will be troubled.
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Sachin wrote:
chetak wrote:BTW, didn't the authorities recently catch a 3000 cr haul heroin from near the lakshadweep islands
That was from a Sri Lankan vessel. And there were 'seculars' who compared the Mundra port incident with that of Lakshadweep and trying to spin a story that Adani & Co will be let of easily - when there is no charge against him - where as Lakshadweep islanders will be troubled.
sirji, was there another catch recently with an iranian crew

the two routes for drugs from afghanistan is now either via pakistan through India via cashmere, punjab, bengal (coming via beediland and via myanmar from afghanistan) or the border states of gujarat etc including the coastal sea routes

or iran to India via the sea route.

the third option was via hongkong but that has dried up now and the favored exit points out of India seem to be jehadi networks embedded in KER and TN and onwards to colombo and from there on to the major drug markets in europe and the US

the rash of drug smuggling cases is possibly because the taliban needs the money and they produce in very large quantities so a few losses are easily tolerated

which also means that they have a strong presence in India to control safe transportation here and more importantly, to enforce "loyalty"



this was probably a test case for smuggling via iran

Iranian boat with drug consignment, 7 crew apprehended off Gujarat

Iranian boat with drug consignment, 7 crew apprehended off Gujarat


Mahesh Langa,
AHMEDABAD,
SEPTEMBER 19, 2021

According to sources, the boat, seized during the operation conducted late on Saturday night, carried an estimated 30 to 50 kg of the contraband, worth about ₹150 to ₹ 250 crore in the international market, but the exact amount of the drug in the vessel will be known once the boat is anchored at a near by port and searched.

The crew, all Iranian nationals, have apprehended and are being taken to the port in Gujarat for further investigation.

“We had credible inputs from our intelligence sources about a big drug contraband on its way for delivery in mid-sea,”
It's high time that we brought in the death penalty for drug possession like countries in the gelf
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Amarinder Singh states drones, arms, ammunition are being smuggled into Punjab.

He goes to Delhi and meets Amit Shah.

The next day he meets Ajit Doval.

Today Punjab's new CM Channi was called to Delhi and met with PM Modi.

All this cannot be sheer coincidence.
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If anyone still doubts that there is a BIF operating


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Please see this in context. They are generous Sikhs.

They aim to raise $1 million for the taliban.
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Sachin wrote:
chetak wrote:BTW, didn't the authorities recently catch a 3000 cr haul heroin from near the lakshadweep islands
That was from a Sri Lankan vessel. And there were 'seculars' who compared the Mundra port incident with that of Lakshadweep and trying to spin a story that Adani & Co will be let of easily - when there is no charge against him - where as Lakshadweep islanders will be troubled.
Sachin ji

The ducks are lining up pretty nicely. The taliban are using Indian territory for its nefarious activities, routing drugs via eyran among other things. Such a large shipment for sure means a large eyranian cut.

No shia sunni divide here, money talks pretty forcefully, even over ruling ancien sectarian divides.

No wonder they are pushing for more refugees to be allowed into India but such pressure is building via the UN where many are being paid off to push the taliban line

This narcotics enterprise is a nexus and a joint venture with the paki ISI, their jigri dost backers, financiers and operational managers.

They want India to operate and also allow the afghan airlines to operate flights between India and afghanistan, as I had posted just a few days ago.


NIA says it has taken up the investigation in the seizure of 2988.21 kgs of heroin at Mundra Port, Gujarat disguised as consignment of ‘semi-processed talc stones’ originating from Afghanistan which had arrived from Bandar Abbas Port, Iran
via@ANI 8:25 PM · Oct 6, 2021·

This ties in with the arrest of the LTTE guy in madras, nabbed for running an arms and drugs syndicate smuggling and peacefool arms, as well as, narcotics networks operating under sharia cover in lakshadweep.

seeing the longish time lines, it looks like the ISI and the taliban were building up a war chest prior to the big push in afghanistan where they essentially squeezed the amerikis under the senile leadership of bye-den, out of reckoning in the afpak region.
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chetak wrote: He goes to Delhi and meets Amit Shah.
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Today Punjab's new CM Channi was called to Delhi and met with PM Modi.
And I am sure, both would have ratted one each other as well :lol:. Channi's dash to the HM & PM seems to be more of a worried act and an attempt to clear up things. Channi may have been worried that Amrinder would have passed on some unpleasent truth about things in Punjab (which Channi & Co is also aware, and god forbid also part of it).
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chetak wrote:
Sachin wrote: That was from a Sri Lankan vessel. And there were 'seculars' who compared the Mundra port incident with that of Lakshadweep and trying to spin a story that Adani & Co will be let of easily - when there is no charge against him - where as Lakshadweep islanders will be troubled.
Sachin ji

The ducks are lining up pretty nicely. The taliban are using Indian territory for its nefarious activities, routing drugs via eyran among other things. Such a large shipment for sure means a large eyranian cut.

No shia sunni divide here, money talks pretty forcefully, even over ruling ancien sectarian divides.



This narcotics enterprise is a nexus and a joint venture with the paki ISI, their jigri dost backers, financiers and operational managers.

They want India to operate and also allow the afghan airlines to operate flights between India and afghanistan, as I had posted just a few days ago.



NIA says it has taken up the investigation in the seizure of 2988.21 kgs of heroin at Mundra Port, Gujarat disguised as consignment of ‘semi-processed talc stones’ originating from Afghanistan which had arrived from Bandar Abbas Port, Iran
via@ANI 8:25 PM · Oct 6, 2021·
Their interest in "trade" is only a cover for running whole scale drug operations and terrorism
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1 Pharmacist and 2 Teachers liked in Kashmir in past few days by Islamist Jihadis.

Some weeks back I wanted to request that the thread about the List of victims of Terror Attacks be removed from being a sticky.

Now I fear we will see it getting updated on a regular basis like some 7-8 years ago :(
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Manish_P wrote:1 Pharmacist and 2 Teachers liked in Kashmir in past few days by Islamist Jihadis.
And they are targetting non-Muslims. Seems this is a new war front being opened (Lakhimpur Kheri being the most recent one).
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Sachin wrote:
Manish_P wrote:1 Pharmacist and 2 Teachers liked in Kashmir in past few days by Islamist Jihadis.
And they are targetting non-Muslims. Seems this is a new war front being opened (Lakhimpur Kheri being the most recent one).

paki plan to stop the resettlement.

and the true intentions of the paki pasand haqqani clan

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Controversial or not but a demographic change is the only way to solve this issue, else the local rabids will keep running amock. A great step was taken in removal of article 370 but now this has to be followed by Gaza type settlements. These will have to be protected by the army and steadily expanded, while only accommodating based on criteria.

The local population of Kashmir has to be encouraged to move to the rest of India, for meaningful employment and this might be the biggest catalyst for reducing radical behavior.
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With the dravidians in the driving seat and ruling party connected padres along with the 2G aunty very active in the movement, things are slowly starting to get out of hand with a paki jehadi and dravidian nexus in play


Probe into Lanka boat intercepted with drugs, rifles may suggest LTTE revival: Kerala, TN officials


Probe into Lanka boat intercepted with drugs, rifles may suggest LTTE revival: Kerala, TN officials


The case relates to the March 18 interception of a boat with the contraband by the Coast Guard following an intelligence input. The mastermind behind the operation was Sri Lankan Tamil Suresh Rajan, a resident of Colombo who had been living at Kundrathur, a Chennai suburb, for some time.



Arun Janardhanan
Chennai, August 31, 2021




An ongoing National Investigation Agency (NIA) probe into the seizure of 300 kg heroin, five AK-47 rifles and 1,000 live rounds of 9mm ammunition off the coast of Vizhinjam near Thiruvananthapuram has led to speculation that an international drug running and weapon trading racket is aimed at reviving the Sri Lankan Tamil separatist group LTTE.

The case relates to the March 18 interception of a boat with the contraband by the Coast Guard following an intelligence input. The mastermind behind the operation was Sri Lankan Tamil Suresh Rajan, a resident of Colombo who had been living at Kundrathur, a Chennai suburb, for some time.

Multiple sources in Kerala and Tamil Nadu intelligence agencies said they failed to closely look at the case as it was being probed by the Narcotics Control Bureau (NCB). “The NCB was about to chargesheet six Sinhalese who were on board when NIA stepped in and probed further,” said an intelligence officer attached to Kerala Police.

The NIA probe would later find that six Sinhalese were labourers. Meanwhile, Rajan was arrested from Angamaly, Kerala in August and was later taken into custody by the Tamil Nadu Q-branch for his links with LTTE groups still active in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka.

But after the NIA stepped in and took over the probe, they found scientific evidence of a Dubai link from a Thuraya handset (considered an advanced satellite phone) which was seized from the boat. “That was the crucial evidence that led to the arrest of Suresh and his associate Soundararajan,” the officer said.

During searches conducted by NIA at premises linked to the accused in Kerala and Tamil Nadu, several incriminating documents, including books relating to LTTE and several cellphones, gadgets and SIM cards were seized.

According to the officer, the March 18 incident was not an isolated case. “Evidences collected from Rajan after his arrest, including those of transactions worth crores, shows that he was an international drug smuggler with active links with Pakistan-based drug runner Haji Salim, who often shuttled between Dubai, Pakistan and Iran. Rajan held a prominent role in drugs and arms trafficking to Sri Lanka through the backyard of India,” the officer said.

A Tamil Nadu intelligence officer said there was evidence that Rajan met Sri Lankan drug lord Madhush Lakshitha alias ‘Makandure Madush’, who was killed in a shootout in the island nation in October 2020. “Rajan also was in touch with Salim,” said the officer.

There was also evidence that Rajan and Soundarajan worked closely with individuals who are being monitored for their sympathies for LTTE and its reported revival mission. “If drugs were to earn money, the five AK-47 rifles seized from the boats were supposedly for LTTE sleeper cells,” the officer said.

Officers in Kerala and Tamil Nadu familiar with the NIA probe said they are closely working with Central agencies to explore the LTTE angle. “We cannot ascertain at this moment whether there is already a revival (of LTTE) in Sri Lanka or Tamil Nadu, or if it is a group earning money in the guise of reviving the group,” said an officer.

Two similar seizures of Sri Lankan boats — before and after the Vizhinjam incident — are still being probed by the NCB. In March, the Coast Guard intercepted a Sri Lankan boat off Minicoy with six crew members and seized another Sri Lankan boat off Kanyakumari in November with 120 kg of narcotics worth approximately Rs 1,000 crore and five weapons.

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Chinese Man With Aadhar, Voter ID Arrested From Indo-Nepal Border in West Bengal

https://www.news18.com/news/india/chine ... 22499.html
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^^^

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Lately it has been observed that the checkpost of Panitanki (Darjeeling district) has been the favoured transit route of the Chinese spies. SSB 41 Bat has arrested several individuals who have been found to be working on behalf of the chinese spy agency Guanbu. These individuals include an Indian citizen of Bhutia descent (Pemba Bhutia), two nepalese citizens, three chinese citizens (belonging to TAR) and two Tibetan refugees who have been granted asylum in India. The last two is pointing a bigger game plan. A large number of Tibetan refugees have settled in South India, and it appears that Guanbu has infiltrated them, and using them to (a) obtain Indian voter card, Aadhar card, PAN card etc; and (b) gather vital defense related info all over India, particularly those in Karnataka, Kerala and TN.
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what's wrong with our govt agencies

The decision by Adani Ports and Special Economic Zone Ltd (APSEZ) to stop handling export-import (EXIM) containerised cargo originating from Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan at its ports from November 15 lacks “authority” in the absence of a government directive to take such a step, say government agencies
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Cuts out the interference of the local polis and brings them under the much harder embrace of the central forces, if properly and honestly implemented


Centre extends BSF’s operational area in Punjab, West Bengal and Assam, Congress and TMC objects while Captain Amarinder Singh supports the move


Jurisdiction of Border Security Forces (BSF) increased in in Assam, West Bengal and Punjab from existing 15km to 50km, decreased from 80km to 50km in Gujarat, and retained 50km in Rajasthan


14 October, 2021
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The Union Ministry of Home & Affairs has amended its July 3, 2014 notification to extend the jurisdiction of Border Security Forces (BSF) from existing 15 km to 50 km inside the international border in Assam, West Bengal and Punjab which share borders with Bangladesh and Pakistan respectively.

The BSF was raised in December 1965 as a specialized force to guard India’s international border.

The decision was taken in the wake of an increasing number of cases of cattle and drug smuggling and Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) racket alongside the international borders. Drug and arms smuggling has emerged as a new challenge in Punjab whereas Assam and West Bengal are the hotbeds of cattle smuggling, FICN, and illegal Bangladeshi and Rohingya migration.

The ministry, empowered under Section 139 of the Border Security Force Act 1968 to revise operational areas of BSF, has said that it will improve the operational efficiency of the BSF to crack down on smuggling rackets.

As per the gazette notification issued on Monday, BSF will now have the power to carry search, seizure and arrest within 50 km from the borders in these states under Acts namely Criminal Procedure Code, Passport Act, NDPS Act and Customs Act. BSF has been given similar power of search and arrest in other North-Eastern states namely Mizoram, Tripura, Manipur, Nagaland and Meghalaya besides UTs of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.

On the other hand, the jurisdiction of BSF in Gujarat has been reduced from 80 km to 50 km and no change has been made in Rajasthan where BSF continues to guard 50 km radius area.

The basic idea was to bring uniformity in the area of operation in states sharing international borders. The vast swathe of Gujarat sharing the international border is the Rann of Kutch, which is uninhabited, hence such a large operational area is not required.

But as usual, Punjab and West Bengal ruled by the Congress and Trinamool Congress (TMC) have started protesting the decision as an attack on federalism and interference through Central agencies.

“I strongly condemn the GoI’s unilateral decision to give additional powers to BSF within the 50 km belt running along the international borders, which is a direct attack on federalism. I urge the Union Home Minister to immediately roll back this irrational decision,” Punjab Chief Minister Charanjit Singh Channi tweeted.

I strongly condemn the GoI’s unilateral decision to give additional powers to BSF within 50 KM belt running along the international borders, which is a direct attack on the federalism. I urge the Union Home Minister @AmitShah to immediately rollback this irrational decision.
— Charanjit S Channi (@CHARANJITCHANNI) October 13, 2021
Congress MP Manish Tewari wondered that by this decision “half of Punjab will now fall under BSF jurisdiction”. Punjab Home Minister Sukhjinder Singh Randhawa said that an internal emergency has been imposed and the patriotism of Punjabis is doubted.
Former Punjab Chief Minister Caption Amarinder Singh rebuffs Punjab CM and Congress

But former Punjab Chief Minister Caption Amarinder Singh rubbished these allegations and asked the chief minister and the Congress party not to drag central forces into politics.

He said that the enhanced power and presence of BSF will save Punjab and make the state stronger. Our soldiers are being killed in Kashmir. We are seeing more and more weapons and drugs being pushed by Pak-backed terrorists into Punjab. Let’s not drag central armed forces into politics,” he said

Captain Amarinder Singh’s media advisor Raveen Thukral posted two tweets back to back on his behalf making it clear that the he stands with security forces.
‘Our soldiers are being killed in Kashmir. We’re seeing more & more weapons & drugs being pushed by Pak-backed terrorists into Punjab. BSF’s enhanced presence & powers will only make us stronger. Let’s not drag central armed forces into politics’: capt_amarinder 1/2


— Raveen Thukral (@RT_Media_Capt) October 13, 2021
He further said, “Partisan considerations can’t & shouldn’t dictate our stand on issues of national security. I’d said that at the time of the 2016 surgical strikes & am saying it again. We’ve to rise above politics when India’s security is at stake, as it is now.”

‘Partisan considerations can’t & shouldn’t dictate our stand on issues of national security. I’d said that at the time of the 2016 surgical strikes & am saying it again. We’ve to rise above politics when India’s security is at stake, as it is now’: @capt_amarinder
— Raveen Thukral (@RT_Media_Capt) October 13, 2021
West Bengal Transport Minister Firhad Hakim accused the federal structure of the country has been violated by extending the operational area of BSF. He said that law and order is a state subject which the Central government is trying to interfere with through central agencies.
However, there are obvious reasons as the Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee and her party have been opposing the Indian Army, BSF, CRPF and any other central security agencies. In December 2016 she had staged 33 hours long political drama on a normal security exercise of the Indian Army. Besides, her government has been accused of protecting illegal immigration, cattle smuggling and likes.
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X posted from the political thread


Orders passed under Section 139 of the BSF Act must be laid in parliament and passed by both Houses.



MHA empowers BSF to make raids, arrests up to 50 km from IB in Punjab, West Bengal, Assam and Tripura

Will also be able to search and arrest in Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, and Ladakh; BSF powers limited to 50 km from 80 km in Gujarat





Tribune News Service
New Delhi, October 13

The Centre has issued a notification increasing the jurisdiction of the Border Security Force (BSF) to give its officers the powers of arrest, search and seizure to the extent of 50 km from the borders inside the bordering states of Punjab, West Bengal, Assam, and Tripura.



According to the notification, which has been issued by the Union Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA), BSF is now authorised to take action under CrPC, Passport Act and Passport (Entry to India) Act.

In the notification, the MHA said the border guarding force has been granted permission to conduct raids and arrests up to an area of 50 km inside from the International Border (IB) along India-Pakistan and India-Bangladesh borders. Earlier, this range was 15 km.

Punjab CM Charanjit Channi cries foul after MHA notification expanding BSF powers in state

Apart from this, BSF will also be able to search and arrest in Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura, Manipur and Ladakh, it said.

However, along with this, the jurisdiction of BSF in Gujarat has been reduced and the extent of the border has been reduced from 80 km to 50 km, while in Rajasthan the radius area has been kept 50 km as before.

Section 139 of the Border Security Force Act, 1968, empowers the Centre to notify the area and extent of the border force’s operational mandate, from time to time.

In the notification, MHA said: “The central government has revised the ‘Schedule’ specifying the border stretch where BSF would have powers of search, seizure and arrest under Acts like Passport Act, NDPS Act, Customs Act as well as Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC) to Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura, and Meghalaya; UTs of J&K and Ladakh; and 50 km-belt in Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, Bengal and Assam”.


An officer of the rank corresponding to that of the lowest rank of member of the BSF is now empowered under the CrPC to exercise and discharge the powers and duties without an order from a Magistrate and without a warrant.
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X posted from the political thread


There also seem to be many jurisdictional, as well as, ego issues to be sorted out because of a confused understanding of the notification and political parties eager to spin it their way, especially in bengal and punjab where shady govt employees are hand in glove with inimical forces.


Explained: BSF powers and jurisdiction



Explained: BSF powers and jurisdiction

The Border Security Force's jurisdiction has been extended in three states and reduced in Gujarat, all up to 50 km within the border. What powers does BSF enjoy? Why was the revision made, and why are Punjab and Bengal opposing it?



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October 15, 2021

BSF jurisdiction, Border Security Force, BSF in Punjab, BJP in West Bengal, BSF jurisdiction extension explained, Indian ExpressThe government said it was exercising the powers under the Border Security Force Act of 1968.

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) has extended the jurisdiction of the Border Security Force (BSF) up to 50 km inside the international borders in Punjab, West Bengal and Assam. The BSF’s powers — which include arrest, search and seizure — were limited to up to 15 km in these states. At the same time, the Ministry has reduced BSF’s area of operation in Gujarat from 80 km from the border, to 50 km.

The move, announced by a gazette notification on Monday, has been criticised by the Punjab and West Bengal governments, which have called it an attack on the federal structure and an attempt to curtail the rights of the state police.

Also read |Most areas on Amritsar-Jalandhar highway under BSF jurisdiction now
What does the notification say?

It amends the schedule of an earlier notification of July 3, 2014 in terms of the BSF’s jurisdiction, which it outlines as: “the whole of the area comprised in the States of Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland and Meghalaya and Union Territories of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh and so much of the area comprised within a belt of fifty kilometres in the States of Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, West Bengal and Assam, running along the borders of India”.

The government said it was exercising the powers under the Border Security Force Act of 1968.

In its 2014 notification, the MHA had outlined BSF’s jurisdiction as “the whole of the area comprised in the States of Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland and Meghalaya and so much of the area comprised within a belt of eighty kilometres in the State of Gujarat, fifty kilometres in the State of Rajasthan and fifteen kilometres in the States of Punjab, West Bengal and Assam, running along the borders of India”.

BSF jurisdiction, Border Security Force, BSF in Punjab, BJP in West Bengal, BSF jurisdiction extension explained, Indian Express The international borders in the three states where BSF’s jurisdiction has been enhanced. While the places marked here are within 50 km of the respective borders, this is not meant to represent the BSF’s jurisdiction. The BSF does not mark its jurisdiction on a map.

What kind of powers can the BSF exercise in this jurisdiction?

Its jurisdiction has been extended only in respect of the powers it enjoys under Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), Passport (Entry into India) Act, 1920 and the Passport Act, 1967. BSF currently has powers to arrest and search under these laws.

It also has powers to arrest, search and seize under the NDPS Act, Arms Act, Customs Act and certain other laws. Its jurisdiction under these laws has not been changed, meaning its powers under these will continue to be only up to 15 km inside the border in Punjab, Assam and West Bengal, and will remain as far as 80 km in Gujarat.

Why and when were these powers given to BSF?

In 1969, the BSF first got powers to arrest and search under the CrPC with respect to certain laws such as the Foreigners Act, The Passport Act, forex laws and Customs Act. BSF sources said even before 2014, they had a jurisdiction of 15 km inside the border in several states.

“At that time, border areas were sparsely populated and there were hardly any police stations for miles. To prevent trans-border crimes, it was felt necessary that BSF is given powers to arrest. While police stations have now come up near the border, they continue to be short-staffed,” a BSF officer said.

Why has the government extended the jurisdiction?

Sources said the objective of the move is to bring in uniformity and also to increase operational efficiency. “Earlier we had different jurisdictions in different states. This has been done to bring uniformity to our jurisdiction,” BSF IG (Operations) Solomon Yash Kumar Minz said.

Sources said BSF often gets information relating to crime scenes that may be out of their jurisdiction. “In West Bengal at times we get information that smugglers have gathered over 100 cows in a village and will take them to the border late in the night. If we act immediately, we can get all the cattle at one place. When they come to the border, they will be scattered and running,” an officer said.

MHA sources said the move was also necessitated due to increasing instances of drones dropping weapons and drugs in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab. However, the kind of drones spotted so far do not have a range beyond 20 km.

There has been no official explanation for why BSF’s jurisdiction has not been increased under the Arms Act, Customs Act and NDPS Act, which cover most of the smuggling offences on the border and deal with far greater offences.

An officer, who served in West Bengal, said this may have happened as central agencies have jurisdiction in these matters. “If BSF catches drugs beyond its jurisdiction, it can always involve the Narcotics Control Bureau, or in case of arms, the National Investigation Agency. In other matters, there may be issues
with the local police,” the officer said.


Will it impact police jurisdiction?

At a basic level, the states can argue that law and order is a state subject and enhancing BSF’s jurisdiction infringes upon powers of the state government.

In 2012, then Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi had opposed a central government move to expand BSF’s jurisdiction. He had written to then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, accusing the Centre of weakening the country’s federal structure, and calling the move an attempt to “create a state within a state”.

About the new provisions, Minz said: “This is not an attack on the federal structure. Rather this is going to complement the efforts of the local police. It is an enabling provision. It’s not that the local police can’t act within the jurisdiction of the BSF. It’s just that sometimes we don’t have enough time and so BSF has been empowered to act till a greater distance and in turn strengthen the hands of the state police,” Minz said.

Asked if there could be issues with local police, Minz said, “We do everything in coordination with our sister agencies… We will inform the local police even now. The state police have better knowledge of the ground… There is no conflict with the state police here. In coming days, the state police will feel happy about these changes as they will find their state is more secure.”

Another officer pointed out that BSF cannot prosecute offenders in any case. “We can’t file chargesheets. We have to hand over every arrested individual and every seized item to the state police or Customs… There have been instances when people have been caught and the defence has argued it was outside the jurisdiction of BSF, and the accused have been let off,” the officer said.

He pointed out that in the Northeast, BSF’s jurisdiction runs throughout the states (other than Assam). “Does it mean state police are unable to function there?”

How will it be implemented?

Until now, state police and border forces have been working in tandem with minor, occasional differences. Now, with the issue taking political colour, implementation could be tricky if there are difficulties in coordination in future.

For example, be it the earlier 15 km or the enhanced 50 km, the BSF jurisdiction is not marked on a map. Sources said it is largely based on understanding between police and BSF. “If a problem arises, maybe we will devise a way to mark our jurisdiction. Currently it is a rough estimate as to which village or town is how many kilometres from the border,” a senior BSF officer said.

Another officer, who has served in Punjab, said local police often have poor understanding of the BSF jurisdiction. “Once, in Punjab, smugglers fired upon BSF over 150 m inside the Indian border when intercepted. In retaliatory fire, the smugglers were killed. The police began arguing why we had killed them when they were inside the border. It had to be explained that jurisdiction of BSF ran much deeper, and it was self-defence,” the officer said.

He said the BSF hasn’t even properly utilised its powers within 15 km. “No one goes even that far. No BSF officer wants to take up cudgels with the state police unnecessarily. After all if you can’t prosecute, you actually have no power,” he said
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9 security forces including a JCO KIA in just this week, 11 terrorists eliminated. We can only speculate what made the government agree to a ceasefire with Pakistan, but its time to rethink the J&K strategy, the terrorists are hitting easy targets with impunity and dragging the military and JKPF into ambushes.
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It is absolutely time to begin pre emptive targeting of terror camps in POK. 9 soldiers is too high a cost and the ceasefire is just allowing Pakistan to consolidate
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Slightly OT but an interesting comparison, here is the historical trend of murders in Chicago.. 2021 was especially brutal w/ 524 killings (aftershocks of George Floyds murder likely):

https://www.wbez.org/stories/at-summers ... 85daa98fa0
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Excellent ! We need 100x investigations like this - the entire iceberg is yet to be uncovered. Arrests will not dissuade, merely force a change in tactics to dissimulate better. The real impact will come when the Govt obtains quick convictions and sentences for these criminals without ever getting bail - thats another matter altogether.
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Clever intellectual deceit by SA Iyer. He glosses over an important aspect. Why would a driver simply plough through a large crowd of angry protestors occupying a certain length of a rural road? Did he do that deliberately and expect to get away? Did he think he could, and the rest of the cars in the convoy as well? If the answer is no, then what made him take such an action which entails a real possibility of going off road and over turning, getting caught and lynched, or getting caught by police later and face homicide charges? Isn't is plausible that he would do such a mindless act because he was scared out of his wits by a bellicose crowd attacking him and the occupants of the car shouting murderous cries engulfing the car from all sides and the only thing the driver could think of is press the pedal hard to somehow get away from imminent death in the hands of the mob? Why don't the endlessly looped videos show what happened in the minutes BEFORE the car ploughs into the crowd?

Equating this incident with Salman Khan case with vastly different parameters doesn't make sense. SA Iyer is only trying to insinuate that in this case too, the act stems from total wanton disregard for human life, and that here too, the guilty will ultimately go scot free.

Don't mistake this article for some principled stand based on his reawakened morality.
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^^^ At this rate UAPA convictions will only happen AFTER a terrorist attack happens and people die or get injured. What is the use of having a legislative assembly to draft and promulgate laws? Using the above provisions all the Kashmiri Jehadi sympathisers will go scot free.
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Sachin wrote:^^^ At this rate UAPA convictions will only happen AFTER a terrorist attack happens and people die or get injured. What is the use of having a legislative assembly to draft and promulgate laws? Using the above provisions all the Kashmiri Jehadi sympathisers will go scot free.
that's exactly the idea.

there is a major tussle going on, pegasus and such matters ^^ are the toolkit of the new turf wars

the BIF has many levers to work with
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Man, hizzoners are losing their marbles !
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Cyrano wrote:Man, hizzoners are losing their marbles !

like a BIF Vulpes vulpes
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Reminding about a well planned conspiracy which couldn't succeed due to Brave Cop Late Tukaram Omble, reproduced source Quora;



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Thread- 2-2: if the plan would have been succeeded RSS would have been banned and many BJP leaders associated with it would have been in jail as we saw in 1975


our life would have been so different


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There have also been reports citing several US officials that detailed and concrete intelligence regarding impending 2008 26/11 Mumbai attacks was shared with Manmohan Singh's Congress led UPA Govt who chose not to act on it and keep this fact out of public glare. The day of reckoning will come for these desh drohis.
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Cyrano wrote:There have also been reports citing several US officials that detailed and concrete intelligence regarding impending 2008 26/11 Mumbai attacks was shared with Manmohan Singh's Congress led UPA Govt who chose not to act on it and keep this fact out of public glare. The day of reckoning will come for these desh drohis.

and not a single word about the phalanx of local supporters who helped out the paki terrorists both during the recce, planning, and the actual operations per se.

the logistics alone would have needed an entire chain of local resources to manage ammo and additional material from the landing on the coast to delivery at a specific room number at the taj as well as the oberoi. The cashmere route would have been too risky because of more interfaces.

I simply do not believe that the paki attackers carried in by themselves enough weapon stores for the sustained siege.

some of the very specific teevee coverage and traitorously detailed reportage with precise operational details were intended to provide real time info to the handlers back home, especially by one fat lump of woke schitt, the desi aurat for whom Indian deaths are intensely orgasmic.

the handlers promptly relayed these details back to their jehadi jaamats inside the three buildings.

how did karkhare die and who was responsible. Have these details ever been made public. The ATS usually has experienced officers who have mostly seen multiple operations in the field and have come under fire before. IIRC, there was a survivor too. He never said much.

After all, karkhare was wearing a BPJ and there were pictures of him donning it rather sloppily and unprofessionally.

It would be too much of an ask to accept that the jehadis got so lucky that in all the chaos, they managed to find that one weak spot where the BPJ did not provide cover because of the unprofessional way in which it was worn.

I have always had a strong feeling that local politicos were doing some preventive housekeeping.

for us, Tukaram Omble was an angel sent by god to protect and save and for the pakis he was the black swan
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the logistics alone would have needed an entire chain of local resources to manage ammo and additional material from the landing on the coast to delivery at a specific room number at the taj as well as the oberoi. The cashmere route would have been too risky because of more interfaces.

I simply do not believe that the paki attackers carried in by themselves enough weapon stores for the sustained siege.
This is precisely what I thought at that time - no way these guys could have brought in so much stuff in a fishing trawler and lug it around for 3 days. Congress Govt in state (MH) and the Centre means unimaginable things can done and buried.
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the logistics alone would have needed an entire chain of local resources to manage ammo and additional material from the landing on the coast to delivery at a specific room number at the taj as well as the oberoi. The cashmere route would have been too risky because of more interfaces.

I simply do not believe that the paki attackers carried in by themselves enough weapon stores for the sustained siege.
This is precisely what I thought at that time - no way these guys could have brought in so much stuff in a fishing trawler and lug it around for 3 days. Congress Govt in state (MH) and the Centre means unimaginable things can done and buried.


there was a specific room number at the taj mentioned in some of the write ups at the time.

It stands to reason that similar was the case at the oberoi too.
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What makes you think that Congress won't do those tricks again, in future? For now, BJP is holding the fort (Center). However I am not sure how long it will be retaining it. PK did mention recently that BJP is gonna be out there for decades to come, but I shudder to think of that day when Congress and its acolytes come back to power. They can revert back to their pet projects and still finish their 'unfinished' business. The only way out is to expose desh drohis well ahead in time, impost heavy cost such as jail time (rigorous imprisonment) or capital punishment, so that they can be checkmated into doing any such dirty tricks in future.
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shravanp wrote:What makes you think that Congress won't do those tricks again, in future? For now, BJP is holding the fort (Center). However I am not sure how long it will be retaining it. PK did mention recently that BJP is gonna be out there for decades to come, but I shudder to think of that day when Congress and its acolytes come back to power. They can revert back to their pet projects and still finish their 'unfinished' business. The only way out is to expose desh drohis well ahead in time, impost heavy cost such as jail time (rigorous imprisonment) or capital punishment, so that they can be checkmated into doing any such dirty tricks in future.
PK is a mercenary and what he says publicly is taqiya

he is a silent operator, a backroom fixer, and not much given to soundbites
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