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An excellent article that talks about the several initiatives taken by Modi sarkar to bring the insurgent groups in the NE into the mainstream. Amit Shah gets a lot of bad press for handling CAA, Middlemen Protest etc. But must be given credit for the progress below. 1000s of cadres from insurgent groups have surrendered

https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/tid ... 65227.html
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Prem Kumar wrote:An excellent article that talks about the several initiatives taken by Modi sarkar to bring the insurgent groups in the NE into the mainstream. Amit Shah gets a lot of bad press for handling CAA, Middlemen Protest etc. But must be given credit for the progress below. 1000s of cadres from insurgent groups have surrendered

https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/tid ... 65227.html
A very nice and precise article listing down some of the agreements. Thank you so much for sharing it.

I have spent few years in NE and have many close friends from various parts of the region and it is true that while agreements have been drafted and signed and used for political gains for many decades, nothing has ever happened on ground. Even the Modi govt initially had a lot of issues in dealing with most of the tribal people because they had absolutely zero faith in anything which anyone from Delhi (or even Gauhati) had to say. It was only after the efforts on ground including but not limited to infrastructure development (roads, rail links) that gave faith to the people that this govt possibly means business.
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chetak wrote:Reminding about a well planned conspiracy which couldn't succeed due to Brave Cop Late Tukaram Omble, reproduced source Quora;



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Thread- 2-2: if the plan would have been succeeded RSS would have been banned and many BJP leaders associated with it would have been in jail as we saw in 1975


our life would have been so different


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via@NationalistIn14

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Chetak, Did the police ever disclose if Kasab had been circumcised? Surely that would have proved that he was not a Hindu. I accept that a few Hindus (and others) may be circumcised for other reasons.
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Aldonkar wrote:
Chetak, Did the police ever disclose if Kasab had been circumcised? Surely that would have proved that he was not a Hindu. I accept that a few Hindus (and others) may be circumcised for other reasons.
Aldonkar ji,

there are many muslims too who are simply too poor to afford circumcision, especially in the rural areas so they may remain uncircumcised.

AFAIK, no specific disclosures were made regarding kasab's circumcision status
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nishant_gupta: great to hear 1st hand validation!

Chetak: even with the red thread around Kasab's wrist etc, there is audio evidence of ISI actively guiding the terrorists, with the word Inshallah & Allah being repeated ad-nauseum. Dr. Shiv has a YouTube video about it.

Portraying Kasab as a Hindu would've been tough to pull off. The Mumbai police, IB etc would have had to suppress the intercepted ISI conversation. The UPA would've tried to suppress it, for sure. But unlikely that it'd have stayed suppressed.
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Prem Kumar wrote:nishant_gupta: great to hear 1st hand validation!

Chetak: even with the red thread around Kasab's wrist etc, there is audio evidence of ISI actively guiding the terrorists, with the word Inshallah & Allah being repeated ad-nauseum. Dr. Shiv has a YouTube video about it.

Portraying Kasab as a Hindu would've been tough to pull off. The Mumbai police, IB etc would have had to suppress the intercepted ISI conversation. The UPA would've tried to suppress it, for sure. But unlikely that it'd have stayed suppressed.

Prem Kumar ji

was he peeled or not.

circumstantial evidence is fine. the evidence of the intercepted conversations would have been with a lot of agencies. We ourselves had to use ameriki help to track some of it. We often forget that the amerikis are also a part of the BIF and the narrative belongs to those who have the power to sustain the spin that they choose put on it. Even today, the BJP is relatively powerless in the "spin the narrative" department.

The knickerwallahs are gun shy and will not go in for the kill, even when the stars have aligned in their favor, the fatal civilizational flaw of the prithviraj chauhan syndrome

The israelis, better connected as they still are, to many sources not freely accessible by India, would have better access via their almost unrestricted reach.

The amerikis themselves had much to hide because of headley and his alleged employment by some of their alphabet soup three letter agencies. Moreover, during those times, the amerikis were really good pals with the pakis, especially their texas hoedown dance partners, the ISI cowboys.

none of this so called "evidence" would have held up in any court basically because no one would have openly revealed techniques, capabilities and technology.

the pakis are asking us for this "actionable evidence and proof" for any jehadi attack on India and we have never bested them in this game

local contacts have not been revealed because deals would have been cut and political patronage and maybe electoral benefits in cash or kind extracted.

the day was won because the other side pulled back, and the BIF probably decided to safeguard the necks of the mafia famiglia

bits and pieces of that puzzle are still being revealed, even after so many years
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Civil society, the new frontiers of war, can be manipulated to hurt a nation’s interests: Ajit Doval

Reviewing the passing out parade of the 73rd batch of IPS probationers at the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel National Police Academy in Hyderabad on Friday, NSA Doval said that while wars have uncertain outcomes, the civil society can be manipulated to hurt the interests of a nation

The new frontiers of war is the civil society which can be manipulated to hurt a nation’s interests, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval has said. He was speaking at the passing out parade of the 73rd batch of IPS probationers at the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel National Police Academy (SVP NPA) in Hyderabad on Friday.

Stating that people are the most important, Doval said, “The new frontiers of war, what you call the fourth-generation warfare, is the civil society.” Explaining further, he said wars have ceased to become an effective instrument for achieving political or military objectives. They are too expensive or unaffordable and, at the same time, there is uncertainty about their outcome. “But it is the civil society that can be subverted, subsumed, divided, manipulated to hurt the interests of a nation. You are there to see they stand fully protected,” he said.

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Doval was the chief guest at the Dikshant Parade which is the culmination of the 46-week long phase-1 basic course training.

Congratulating the 132 officer trainees of the IPS batch and 17 foreign police officers from Maldives, Bhutan and Nepal, Doval wanted the young probationers to develop a national perspective to effectively contribute their might to the nation’s service. “You are for India and India is for you. Every other identity gets subsumed to this Indian identity,” he said while addressing them.

He wanted the young officers to know that service of people is the greatest service, not only from the point of view of nation-building but also from the point of national security. He asked the new batch of officers to not only think of reforms to avoid repeating mistakes of the past but also be transformative to look at future challenges and find solutions in advance.

“Quintessence of democracy does not lie in the ballot box. It lies in the laws which are made by the people who are elected through these ballot boxes. You are the ones who are the enforcers of the law… Laws are only as good as they are executed and implemented and the service that people can get out of it,” he stated, adding that the success of democracy is in the enforcement of the laws. He said people cannot feel safe and secure where law enforcers are weak, corrupt, and partisan. “No nation can be built where the rule of law has failed.”

He reminded them that their responsibility includes not only the safety and security of 130 crore human beings but also the 32 lakh square kilometres of land area across the country. He wanted them to be trained and prepared for border management as well as challenges of highly specialised investigations in agencies such as the NIA or CBI.
Noting that some of the officers will work for intelligence units within or outside the country, he pinned the responsibility on them to see that governments can make informed decisions and also that these decisions are enforced in the country’s best interest. He also touched upon the challenges of technology as a frontier that officers need to excel in. “Without your success, the nation cannot succeed. If internal security fails, no country can be great. If the people are not safe and secure, they cannot rise to their potential, and probably, the country can never grow,” he underlined.

Stressing that the officer trainees are at the threshold of a challenging career, Academy Director Atul Karwal pointed out that the academy, apart from trying to impart skills and knowledge, has built upon values of courage, integrity, compassion, teamwork and humility. He expressed confidence that the young trainees will prove to be officers of high standards of professionalism and sterling personal qualities.

The NSA, who graduated from the National Police Academy 52 years ago, also handed over the trophies for outstanding performances. Darpan Ahluwalia of Punjab cadre, the topper of Phase-1 training and the Parade Commander for the day, was handed over the KS Vyas Trophy for Internal Security and Public Order and Field Crafts and Tactics.
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Cyrano wrote:There have also been reports citing several US officials that detailed and concrete intelligence regarding impending 2008 26/11 Mumbai attacks was shared with Manmohan Singh's Congress led UPA Govt who chose not to act on it and keep this fact out of public glare. The day of reckoning will come for these desh drohis.
I can say with a level of certainty that this is true. I worked for a MNC and used to travel to Mumbai very often. We had a specific mail from our Global Sec ops center about the possibility of an attack and specifically directing employees to ask for rooms on lower floors of the hotels we stay.

For sure there was information. Perhaps people even tried to stop the attackers and yet they failed.
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There were specific reports of US embassy officials being asked to not go to Taj on that day at the last monent. GoI knew a lot more than has been revealed and it was definitely not an out of the blue attack.

The logistics alone for an attack of this magnitude puts paid to the theory of 10 people waltzing up in motor boats, landing and carrying out this attack. There was significant local support which has never been revealed, ranging from Rahul Bhatt who knew far more than what is revealed to sleeper cells who may have taken active part in this.
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Kangana Ranaut was pally pally with Dawood Hedley.
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Tanaji wrote:There were specific reports of US embassy officials being asked to not go to Taj on that day at the last monent. GoI knew a lot more than has been revealed and it was definitely not an out of the blue attack.

The logistics alone for an attack of this magnitude puts paid to the theory of 10 people waltzing up in motor boats, landing and carrying out this attack. There was significant local support which has never been revealed, ranging from Rahul Bhatt who knew far more than what is revealed to sleeper cells who may have taken active part in this.
I also remember reading reports about police teams constituted for handling exactly this type of terrorist attack and stationed at the hotels were disbanded just a week before the actual attack. And the police commissioner sat out the entire night in his car with his phone switched off and not responding to wireless messages when terrorist were rampaging in the city.
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Top liberal terrorist Prashant Bose alias Kishen da arrested in Jharkhand

He had Rs 1 crore bounty in his name



this is a commie, naxal, lootyens, woke, and liberandu ploy and we fall for it every time

decrepit old naxal b@$t@rd$ "surrender and avail themselves the best of 5 star medical treatment at the taxpayers cost after being "arrested", let out on bail and some bleddy FFNGO rushes in and helps to "reform" him

Soon, he is miraculously "reformed", gets rehabilitated by the Indian state with a very generous state pension, and is given a lifelong govt house and security with all expenses paid. The taxpayers pay for this free ride and also for free loading members of his invariably large family too.

This is a long running congi, commie, and BIF scam, and a script that the BJP also follows to the letter to fool the aam aadmi.

such "surrendered" naxal commanders and "top" leadership can not even walk on their own and have long passed their sell by date and are absolutely of no use to the organization other than being a resource consuming burden and a heavy financial drain

and BTW, this is the "top" naxal commander, any more "top" and the bleddy bugger would have gone to his heavenly reward

Image prashant bose alias kishen da

looks like all these naxals are state govt servants with cushy retirement benefits
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I can't say for certain that the government of India had specific inputs for the attack. But actions of a specific section of the Congress party and elements of the security establishment suggest that they wanted to take advantage of what happened.

The emphasis on Hindu terror from Chidambaram and company suggest something very sinister. The fact that prosecution of Sadhvi Pragya Thakur fell apart after the death of Mumbai then Mumbai ATS chief shows the external dimensions of the conspiracy.

I think that INC wanted to link the two. Either opportunistically or through planned collusion with ISI.

That they could not execute this plan to its conclusion is fortunate for us.
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Gadchiroli encounter: Top Maoist leader Milind Teltumbde among 26 rebels killed, confirm Maharashtra police
Now who is this Milild Teltumbde? None other than the brother of Anand Teltumbde of the Elgar Parishad fame who is now behind bars. As we say in Malayalam; there is no point blaming the brothers, but blame their makers. Focus should be on the parents to know how they brought up two brothers with both being enemies of India.
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RSS worker stabbed to death 50 times in front of his wife in Palakkad, by SDPI Muslims. Hope there is eye-for-eye retaliation :evil:

Beats me why SDPI, PFI are not yet banned and their leaders put behind bars

https://twitter.com/MeghBulletin/status ... 5316520965
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More on this. Apparently, an old man who watched the murder died of shock.

Once again, a litmus test of whether the BJP as a party or the Home Minister is going to do something about it.

As the Paki military rulebook says (which is true for Islam as well): terror is not a means to the end - terror is the end.

They must be made to feel terror in their hearts and fear it. To that end, an arrest + 5 years of biryani won't cut it. 10 eyes for an eye is what's needed.
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They have been equating RSS to Hitler/ISIS and paint them as the mother of all evils for some time now, so that such acts can be perpetrated without evoking sympathy from the society.

Before asking the Govt or BJP to stand up for them, RSS should stand up for one of their own, and all of their own. Don't make statements, just do what is needed so that BJP & Govt cant just stay in inaction and let such horrific attacks fall into collective oblivion.
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Pratyush wrote:
That they could not execute this plan to its conclusion is fortunate for us.
That they could not execute this plan came down to the unbelievable heroism of one man. ASI Shri Tukaram Omble, who charged at AK47-wielding terrorists while armed only with a lathi, and made the supreme sacrifice so that Ajmal Kasab could be arrested alive.

If ever anyone deserved the Bharat Ratna, it was this humble police officer from Satara who rose through the ranks and gave his all for our people.
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Indeed. An NSG commando told me that the barrel of the AK47 becomes piping hot during firing. Tukaram Ji not only took the bullets but grabbed this barrel with his bare hands, so that his colleagues could be saved and could capture Kasab.
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Rudradev wrote:
Pratyush wrote:
That they could not execute this plan to its conclusion is fortunate for us.
That they could not execute this plan came down to the unbelievable heroism of one man. ASI Shri Tukaram Omble, who charged at AK47-wielding terrorists while armed only with a lathi, and made the supreme sacrifice so that Ajmal Kasab could be arrested alive.

If ever anyone deserved the Bharat Ratna, it was this humble police officer from Satara who rose through the ranks and gave his all for our people.
+1 True son of the Motherland, in the tradition of 'Veer Maratha'

Just one minor difference Rudradev ji, in that i would like him to have been honored with the Param Veer Chakra - for 'the most conspicuous bravery in the presence of the enemy''

A warriors medal, for a warrior.
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Prem Kumar wrote:Beats me why SDPI, PFI are not yet banned and their leaders put behind bars
GoKL will not do that, what is stopping GoI from doing it? PFI involvement was also clear in Delhi Anti-CAA riots.
Once again, a litmus test of whether the BJP as a party or the Home Minister is going to do something about it.
GoKL's home minister is Pinarayi Vijayan, the CM himself. He is not going to do any thing extra here - will just say police would do the neccessary investigations. L&O is a state subject, so GoI's options are also limited here. And after seeing the performance of of GoI's H.M; I don't see there would be any strong action coming from their side as well. Most likely RSS would retaliate (they have done that in the past).
Manish_P wrote:A warriors medal, for a warrior.
My understanding is that PVC is only for Armed Forces members. There are police medals for gallantry, don't know if it has been given to ASI Ombale.
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Sachin wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:Beats me why SDPI, PFI are not yet banned and their leaders put behind bars
GoKL will not do that, what is stopping GoI from doing it? PFI involvement was also clear in Delhi Anti-CAA riots.
Once again, a litmus test of whether the BJP as a party or the Home Minister is going to do something about it.
GoKL's home minister is Pinarayi Vijayan, the CM himself. He is not going to do any thing extra here - will just say police would do the neccessary investigations. L&O is a state subject, so GoI's options are also limited here. And after seeing the performance of of GoI's H.M; I don't see there would be any strong action coming from their side as well. Most likely RSS would retaliate (they have done that in the past).
Manish_P wrote:A warriors medal, for a warrior.
My understanding is that PVC is only for Armed Forces members. There are police medals for gallantry, don't know if it has been given to ASI Ombale.
He was actually in the army before he joined the police FWIW
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Sachin wrote:
Manish_P wrote:A warriors medal, for a warrior.
My understanding is that PVC is only for Armed Forces members. There are police medals for gallantry, don't know if it has been given to ASI Ombale.
He was awarded with the Ashok Chakra -which is the peacetime equivalent of the Param Vir Chakra (PVC), and is awarded for the "most conspicuous bravery or some daring or pre-eminent valour or self-sacrifice" other than in the face of the enemy. The decoration may be awarded either to military or civilian personnel.

So jihadi Paki terrorists, who attack our civilians, on our territory, are not our enemy?
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https://twitter.com/robin_mathai/status ... 0375959553

It seems like the martyred Col Viplav was immensely successful in putting a stop to the drug & arms trade. He had also developed a lot of goodwill among the people there, which helped establish a good intelligence network.

Looks like a well planned assassination. A very likely Chinese hand in this. Surgical strike 4.0 is long overdue.
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Good article in Swarajya about the recently captured 2nd in command of the Maoists. Looks like the guy is singing & his songs might have led to the elimination of Teltumbde

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/fight- ... nformation
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https://indianexpress.com/article/north ... t-7676421/

The naga christian separatist groups are upping the stakes against India seeing the govt's response to farm laws. After years of negotiations for peace , these naga christian groups are deliberately pushing the envelope to keep Indian security forces out of their area. What is their motivation for this? Odds are destabilizing the Indo/BD/Myanmar border, Myanmar is fighting christian separatist groups along the thai border. And now we have these christian separatist groups trying to do the same on the Indian side.

This whole "naga tribe" fig leaf for this bunch of violent christian baptist fundamentalist groups needs to be ripped out. This is definitely mischief making by the USA.

https://www.christiancentury.org/articl ... land-india
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 406873.cms

Devidaspura track is a stone's throw away east of Amritsar leading to Jalandhar and onwards to Delhi. Amritsar is like a junction to head towards Khem Karan, Atari & Ramdas. All 3 three extremely close to Pak. Any implications on military supply lines?

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Yes all lines are strategic, thats why see special railway lines to Hoshiapur- IAF base, and IAF bases covered, the lone supply line to Jammu via Gurdaspur.

We need to accept Pakistan does not respect any law or treaty so we are duty bound to redraw the maps slowly, we must plan to get the Sharkargarh Bulge along with Poonch Bulge and and Neelam valley in the future.
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Mean while Kerala Police got some really 'bad' gifts for Christmas this time around. Ernakulam Rural Dt police took the brunt of the hospitality meted out by 'guest workers' employed by a garment firm KitEx.
Guest workers clash, attack police amid Christmas celebration in Kizhakkambalam; 24 arrested.

On X'Mas Eve two groups of migrant workers (I don't prefer the term 'guest workers'; they are nobody's guests but workers who have come here to do work, for a decent pay) started fighting with each other over the celebration of X'Mas and singing of carols. This went out of hand and a small party of police men arrived. The migrant workers then joined up and targetted the 'common enemy' - the police. The vehicle was surrounded, the police men inside beaten up very badly; but they managed to flee. At least two police men including Inspector SHO of the local PS were injured badly. The rioters then torched two police jeeps (the second one had reached there as backup for the first team). It was only well past midnight that the police came back with more force and then hit back at the labour camp.

This may not be a pan-India issue; but is a pointer that uncontrolled migration is never a good idea. An important point to note is that; the fight broke out between two groups of workers first over celebration of X'Mas. There are rumours that the two groups were Bengalis (most likely Bangladeshis & RoP) and Nagaland & Manipuris (who may be RoL). Drugs and liquor seems to be freely available in the camp as well.

Note: During the COVID peak time, in order to score brownie points GoKL had asked K.P to visit these labour camps and provide food & even game items so that the 'guest workers' felt at home. This was done when there were lots of news of migrant labour going back from other states walking etc. Now the 'guest workers' have returned the hospitality in kind :roll:.
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Key mastermind behind the Ludhiana court blast Jaswinder Singh Multani arrested in Germany. He is said to be associated to SFJ and was in the process of acquiring more explosives through his ISI contacts. I hope the home ministry, IB, RAW and Police departments of all border states have a list of Indian origin terror sympathizers so their PIO/OCI cards/Passports etc can be cancelled immediately. One of the SFJ clowns Gurpatwant Singh Pannun lives in the US and is at the forefront of protests and attacks against Indian interests, Indians and Hindus in Europe, US and Canada. It is hard to believe that such shady individuals dealing with Paki ISI are not on the radar of US and UK alphabet agencies, i guess they are tolerated as "strategic assets" as long as they keep their nefarious activities limited to India.
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Mastermind of Ludhiana court explosion arrested in Germany
NEW DELHI: Germany has arrested prominent Khalistani terror plotter Jaswinder Singh Multani in what marks a breakthrough for India’s counter-terror effort to foil plans of Pakistan’s Inter State Intelligence to engineer terror attacks in Punjab and other parts, including Mumbai.
The arrest of Multani, an activist of the ISI- backed Khalistani outfit, Sikh for Justice (SFJ), who is considered to be the mastermind of the recent blast in a Ludhiana court, happened on the basis of precise intelligence provided by Indian agencies.
The arrested terrorist had drawn plan to carry out a big terror strike in Mumbai. He is currently in German custody and will be questioned by Indian investigators.
A close aide of SFJ leader Gurpatwant Singh Pannu who led the Referendum 2020 campaign for Khalistan, Multani has also been accused of plotting an assassination attempt on Balbir Singh Rajewal, a prominent farm leader who formed the vanguard of protests against the now-scrapped agricultural reforms laws, as part of a larger conspiracy to destabilise Punjab by provoking Sikhs. Rajewal has been projected as the chief ministerial candidate of the 22 farm unions from Punjab which have decided to contest together all the 117 seats in the assembly polls due early next year.
The Indian government worked over the weekend to ensure Germany understood the gravity of the situation, particularly since a big terror attack seemed likely in Mumbai, with the agencies getting tipped off about the arrival of a cache of arms and explosives as well as efforts to gather a team to carry out the attack.
In fact, bilateral relations were tested as India laid on diplomatic pressure on its strategic partner in Europe to nab Multani on the basis of the specific inputs provided by Indian agencies.
During probe into the Ludhiana blast, police came across clues about the involvement of two suspects— Babbar Khalsa terrorist Harvinder Singh Sandhu who is being sheltered by ISI in Pakistan, and Multani in Germany.
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Ambar wrote: It is hard to believe that such shady individuals dealing with Paki ISI are not on the radar of US and UK alphabet agencies, i guess they are tolerated as "strategic assets" as long as they keep their nefarious activities limited to India.

It would be indeed very myopic view. That "limitation" requires only a policy change. Didnt they blow up an entire CIA operation prelude to finding OBL living right in the middle of the pakis "WEst Point"
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Kerala Police Officer P K Anas has been arrested. He was passing information about whereabouts of RSS workers to SDPI, so that they can plan jihadi attacks.

Hope the majority of Indians realize sooner rather than later that, for a majority of Muslims, their Quam comes first. Screw the oath you took as a police officer, your nation and everything else. We promote them to positions of power at our own peril.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Ambar wrote:Key mastermind behind the Ludhiana court blast Jaswinder Singh Multani arrested in Germany. He is said to be associated to SFJ and was in the process of acquiring more explosives through his ISI contacts. I hope the home ministry, IB, RAW and Police departments of all border states have a list of Indian origin terror sympathizers so their PIO/OCI cards/Passports etc can be cancelled immediately. One of the SFJ clowns Gurpatwant Singh Pannun lives in the US and is at the forefront of protests and attacks against Indian interests, Indians and Hindus in Europe, US and Canada. It is hard to believe that such shady individuals dealing with Paki ISI are not on the radar of US and UK alphabet agencies, i guess they are tolerated as "strategic assets" as long as they keep their nefarious activities limited to India.

Each embassy keeps a close watch on Indians abroad. They have agents in social clubs, dance groups etc. They know what is going on.
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Prem Kumar wrote:Kerala Police Officer P K Anas has been arrested. He was passing information about whereabouts of RSS workers to SDPI, so that they can plan jihadi attacks.
Unless this case is handed over to NIA there would not be any significant benefit coming in. Kerala Police investigation will be shoddy, as the police force is nothing more than another political outfit of the commies. The KL communists have sold out themselves to Islamists & Arabs, so for them if more RSS/BJP leaders get killed the better it is. At least three years before it had been found out that there was a Jehadi sleeper cell/network within Kerala Police known as Pacha Velicham (Green Light). Many senior police officials in Kerala were aware of the rise in Islamist threats but all of them were painted as RSS/BJP bigots by the "seculars". As it is there is a strong belief in KL that the mobile phone shops run by Muslim men also misuse the identity papers given by non-Muslims who take SIM cards from them.
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PM's Convoy Halted on a Flyover near the IB

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Any thoughts on the recent ‘security lapse’ during PM’s visit to Firozepur? There appears to be more than just cussed political inaction by the Congress state govt and a mere lapse.
Consider these points:
• The blockade by the ‘protesters’ was at the end of a flyover. The convoy was effectively halted atop a flyover, clear of surrounding vegetative cover.
• The local cops had or were apparently attending a ‘chai langar’ organised by the ‘protesters’.
• The traffic on the other side of the flyover had apparently resumed, effectively trapping the convoy on the flyover for a considerable period of time.
• There were no responses from the CMO when the SPG contacted, for intervention by the CM.
• The state police control room appeared to be either unaware of the blockade or wilfully did not inform the convoy pilot vehicle of the obstruction.
• This appears to have all the hallmarks of a good set-up for an ambush, either from the air or from ground.
• The site was reported to be only about 30 km from the IB.
• A look at the weather from the pictures indicate visibility around 200-300 m in fog.
• Perhaps the weather was too foggy for drones to operate to mount at least a symbolic attack.
• Perhaps the ‘other side’ had insufficient time to mount a ground attack ,that would need at least 12.7 mm calibre weapons with RPGs to penetrate the NSG cordon.
• The sudden and prompt chatter on Twitter by the esteemed GS Pannun, local Youth Congress fella et al, paints a picture of some level of pre-planning and pre-knowledge.
• Routine ongoing ELINT will reveal any chatter over the airwaves. I do hope the complete picture is revealed.
• The NSG appear to be following routine bureaucratic “follow the Blue Book” or whatever by accepting the local police’s inputs on the route being safe. Whatever happened to threat assessments and appreciation, especially in view of the given policitical dispensation in the state?
• What on earth were the IB fellas doing? Did they not get wind of the 'protests' planned on the route?
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Re: PM's Convoy Halted on a Flyover near the IB

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Hari Nair wrote:Any thoughts on the recent ‘security lapse’ during PM’s visit to Firozepur? There appears to be more than just cussed political inaction by the Congress state govt and a mere lapse.
Consider these points:
• The blockade by the ‘protesters’ was at the end of a flyover. The convoy was effectively halted atop a flyover, clear of surrounding vegetative cover.
• The local cops had or were apparently attending a ‘chai langar’ organised by the ‘protesters’.
• The traffic on the other side of the flyover had apparently resumed, effectively trapping the convoy on the flyover for a considerable period of time.
• There were no responses from the CMO when the SPG contacted, for intervention by the CM.
• The state police control room appeared to be either unaware of the blockade or wilfully did not inform the convoy pilot vehicle of the obstruction.
• This appears to have all the hallmarks of a good set-up for an ambush, either from the air or from ground.
• The site was reported to be only about 30 km from the IB.
• A look at the weather from the pictures indicate visibility around 200-300 m in fog.
• Perhaps the weather was too foggy for drones to operate to mount at least a symbolic attack.
• Perhaps the ‘other side’ had insufficient time to mount a ground attack ,that would need at least 12.7 mm calibre weapons with RPGs to penetrate the NSG cordon.
• The sudden and prompt chatter on Twitter by the esteemed GS Pannun, local Youth Congress fella et al, paints a picture of some level of pre-planning and pre-knowledge.
• Routine ongoing ELINT will reveal any chatter over the airwaves. I do hope the complete picture is revealed.
• The NSG appear to be following routine bureaucratic “follow the Blue Book” or whatever by accepting the local police’s inputs on the route being safe. Whatever happened to threat assessments and appreciation, especially in view of the given policitical dispensation in the state?
• What on earth were the IB fellas doing? Did they not get wind of the 'protests' planned on the route?
Well summed up. This could have gone really wrong. Armoured or not, a vehicle is secure only when it's moving. Else it's vulnerable to an attack. I'm absolutely disgusted by the Congress ecosystem coming out in unison with "How's the Josh?" and "Punjab rejects Modi" kind of messages.
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Exactly Hari Nair ji. I didn't want to lay it out in so much detail. The reported PM's comment "Please thank your CM for my getting back alive to Bhatinda" assumes a hair-raising significance in this light. Was an attack on PM planned and was called off/foiled at the last minute? Or opportunistic elements mobilised to attack but not quickly enough to carry out and the PM had a fortunate, narrow escape?

With this incident, the scenario of blocking a PM's (or any VVIP's for that matter) convoy and rendering him vulnerable has entered the realm of not just possible, but easily doable in any part of the country. Every desi anti-national group will have taken note of this, and will actively consider such an ambush scenario henceforth. And of course every phoren sponsored terrorist organisation. A taboo/non-envisaged scenario has become envisageable. That is the biggest and lasting damage from this incident. Just like 9/11 on twin towers changed mindsets alike on both sides of the US national security battle forever, so does this incident for India.

There has to be exemplary and visible punishment and serious consequences for all who were involved in this incident for this reason, not as retribution or vendetta but as dissuasion for any future attempts. Shock and Awe is due.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Hari Nair wrote: • The NSG appear to be following routine bureaucratic “follow the Blue Book” or whatever by accepting the local police’s inputs on the route being safe. Whatever happened to threat assessments and appreciation, especially in view of the given policitical dispensation in the state?
• What on earth were the IB fellas doing? Did they not get wind of the 'protests' planned on the route?
From my limited understanding. The NSG actually is more like a strong well trained group of body guards. They have their own communication setup and also jamming devices etc. And they generally form the inner most ring of the 3 ring security which folks like PM get. The next ring could be specialised/armed state police units and the outer most ring would mainly have the local police. Even in convoys the advance pilot and pilot vehicles would be from the local/traffic police units whose drivers and officers who know the routes better. The pilot vehicles would also be in constant touch with their control room on the wireless sets. Many states (where policing is still considered a serious job) even do dry runs before VIPs like PM, President arrives.

The IB ideally should have got information, but many a time their sources are local police or state police units like Special Branch CID. I don't think IB is now cultivating intelligence assets by themselves. So even looking as a layman, I think the incident has happened with active connivance of PJ Government and various state police units. Police officers do not do such things out of their own free will (as they can still be hauled to various enquiries) and they would have got the backing from the highest level state authorities. I remember seeing a social media post today that even the CM and a few senior officials who were to be with the PM as part of protocols were missing.

The idea also seems to be to cause an incident in which SPG is forced to fire at some 'farmers' (read terrorists) and use that to cause further L&O problems. Repealing of the farm laws have blunted the movement by the farmer-broker-terrorists so they need a new reason/incident. If GoI has any sense of self pride it should at least initiate enquiries on the IPS officials (they are all part of central service) and make life miserable to them till they open up.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Cyrano wrote:With this incident, the scenario of blocking a PM's (or any VVIP's for that matter) convoy and rendering him vulnerable has entered the realm of not just possible, but easily doable in any part of the country.
Sir, this has been tested at other places as well. And all of them are the so called secular-liberal areas.
Security lapse during President's visit, near-miss situation in capital as mayor's vehicle drives into convoy. This Mayor (always in lime light for the wrong reasons) was from Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala.
Security scare as PM's convoy takes wrong turn. Again this was in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala and the victim was then PM MMS (alias Mauni Baba).

Both these incidents happened when the Communist party led governments were running the show.
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