Internal Security Watch

[Manish_P]

^ Does the ChatGPT search engine actively crawl site pages?

If so can we expect to see it answers to questions using BRF glossary terms...

eg. When can we expect to see the next level of street protests by Raakit mards?

[Prem Kumar]

ChatGPT (aka GPT 3.5) is trained on data only until sometime in 2021. Doesn't know anything beyond that date

Otoh, GPT-4 allows plugins like Bing, which allow it to search the web in real-time

GPT-4 doesn't know much about BRF or its terminology. When asked what it knows about BENIS, it hallucinated and cooked up the following

The term "BENIS" in the Bharat-Rakshak Forum (BRF) is a slang term used by the forum members, and it stands for "Ballistic Endo-atmospheric Nuclear Intercept System." It is a tongue-in-cheek term that is often used to make light of the serious topic of missile defense systems. The BRF is an online discussion platform for military enthusiasts and professionals in India, and it often includes a mix of serious and humorous content. The term "BENIS" is an example of that humorous content, and it's not an official term used in military or defense circles.

Just for kicks, I asked if it knew who was Ramana in BRF. It said the following

Ramana is a member and a moderator on the Bharat-Rakshak Forum (BRF). The BRF is an online discussion platform primarily focused on Indian defense matters, military topics, and strategic affairs. As a moderator, Ramana's role is to ensure that discussions within the forum are civil, adhere to the forum guidelines, and contribute positively to the community.

Keep in mind that online forums like BRF have many members with varying levels of expertise and experience. Ramana is one of those members, but without more specific information, it's difficult to provide further details about their background or areas of expertise.

When I asked "Who was the funniest moderator on BRF", it said that it did not know because it does not crawl the web in real time. Plus gave me some gyan about how humor is subjective

[Manish_P]

OK.

So it is a matter of time...

Thanks.

[ramana]

Folks no reports on massive explosives haul in India?

[Manish_P]

^ Has there been another one today/yesterday?

If you are referring to the West Bengal case, it is posted on previous page by @ Prem Kumar.

[vijayk]

https://www.opindia.com/2023/04/nia-arr ... ment-case/
Mohammad Nurujjaman, Seikh Miraj Uddin arrested in detonator consignment case, 27,000 kgs of ammonium nitrate, enough to flatten a city, recovered
In July 2022, West Bengal's Special Task Unit carried out a raid in Birbhum district's Mahammad Bazar neighbourhood and detained a pick-up vehicle that was reportedly carrying 81,000 detonators.

[Prem Kumar]

What's shocking is that this is not the biggest media news on front pages! The explosive haul is equivalent to carrying out a Timothy McVeigh style Oklahoma bombing in 14 cities in India. 1000s of detonators and gelatin sticks also recovered. Imagine the carnage

Annamalai was right in highlighting one attempted suicide bombing in Coimbatore. West Bengal, being a jihadi hotbed, hushes this up, which is 100X worse. It also shows the lack of BJP Leadership in that state, who can rake the Mamata Government over the coals for this

[Manish_P]

...

Annamalai was right in highlighting one attempted suicide bombing in Coimbatore. West Bengal, being a jihadi hotbed, hushes this up, which is 100X worse. It also shows the lack of BJP Leadership in that state, who can rake the Mamata Government over the coals for this

When the justification is given by politicians themselves ...

Muslim boys were making bombs for self-defence: RJD MLA Nehaluddin

Following the bomb explosion in Sasaram that left 6 injured, RJD MLA Mohammad Nehaluddin has made a bizarre comment while saying that the Muslim boys were making bombs for their own safety.

The RJD MLA from Rafiganj Assembly Constituency said that some members belonging to the Muslim community were making bombs in self-defence. The MLA said, “What would they have done if they had died? Muslim children had to do this to save their lives. They had to do this in self-defence.”

[RoyG]

Could be. Hindutva militancy is on the rise.

[Sachin]

It also shows the lack of BJP Leadership in that state, who can rake the Mamata Government over the coals for this

I also see a striking similarity between BJP leadership (?) in WB and KL. At least in KL, the leadership is very mediocre and often get exposed very quickly. The BJP did try to bring up some new leadership but the old gang has managed to side line them and make them irrelevant. KL commies routinely portrays development projects with 100% monetary contribution from central government as their own projects. The state BJP just stay silent. It is often the average BJP sympathiser who would use social media etc to share the true facts.

[chetak]

What's shocking is that this is not the biggest media news on front pages! The explosive haul is equivalent to carrying out a Timothy McVeigh style Oklahoma bombing in 14 cities in India. 1000s of detonators and gelatin sticks also recovered. Imagine the carnage

Annamalai was right in highlighting one attempted suicide bombing in Coimbatore. West Bengal, being a jihadi hotbed, hushes this up, which is 100X worse. It also shows the lack of BJP Leadership in that state, who can rake the Mamata Government over the coals for this

Prem Kumar ji,

Annamalai is still tight with his erstwhile colleagues and his earlier network and that is bothering the dravidians a great deal

He has access to central resources that the state itself may not have and also maybe IB insight into the shenanigans of the local dravidian politicos

[chetak]

It also shows the lack of BJP Leadership in that state, who can rake the Mamata Government over the coals for this

I also see a striking similarity between BJP leadership (?) in WB and KL. At least in KL, the leadership is very mediocre and often get exposed very quickly. The BJP did try to bring up some new leadership but the old gang has managed to side line them and make them irrelevant. KL commies routinely portrays development projects with 100% monetary contribution from central government as their own projects. The state BJP just stay silent. It is often the average BJP sympathiser who would use social media etc to share the true facts.

Sachin ji,

Wasn't it a similar situation in TN until Annamalai arrived on the scene

The state BJP in TN had two factions, aligned one each, with the DMK, and the AIDMK....

[drnayar]

watch 1.08.16 , about Soros, why we need to be very careful

[Prem Kumar]

True. Before Annamalai, TN BJP was a non-entity. Its clear that leadership is a rare quality and some states are blessed with it, while others are not.

For all their organizational excellence and sense of Seva, RSS & BJP do not make their political presence felt in any state without a mass leader. They just toil in obscurity

For instance: in spite of all their development works, without Himanta, BJP wouldn't have made inroads into the NE

[Sachin]

NIA to take over Kerala train fire case: Officials
K.P and the commie government of KL is still debating if the case has to be handed over to the NIA. NIA is said to have already prepared their internal reports, and perhaps they can take over the investigations suo-moto. GoKL still seems to be dilly dallying due to the identity/name of the accused and he also getting good help from locals in KL.

[SRajesh]

OMG
Firing and killing inside a Military Station in Bhatinda!!!

[SRajesh]

Is Punjab back to the old days of terror and killings

[Prem Kumar]

Lets wait for details. Initial India Today report quotes sources that say it was likely fratricide and not terror. Anyway, lets see

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/b ... 2023-04-12

[chetak]

Incidents of Rhinos being butchered in Kaziranga National Park, Assam, have finally stopped, after the rangers simply started shooting the poachers.

Now certain news outlets are complaining.

It's much better that the poachers get shot rather than the innocent rhinos

a lot of the rhino horn market is cheeni

[Prem Kumar]

Looks like both the fratricide and terror angles are being looked at, in the Bhatinda tragedy. Shooters were 2 masked men wearing white kurtas. INSAS rifle + 29 rounds were stolen a few days back. Shooters escaped through the nearby forest

[IndraD]

Why did gunner Desai Mohan kill 4 colleagues at Bathinda army base?

news sources indicating accused soldier (caught now) was sodomised https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 58739.html

[RoyG]

Incidents of Rhinos being butchered in Kaziranga National Park, Assam, have finally stopped, after the rangers simply started shooting the poachers.

Now certain news outlets are complaining.

It's much better that the poachers get shot rather than the innocent rhinos

a lot of the rhino horn market is cheeni

Poaching is a big issue. Could be a jihadi angle to it. The only thing that will stop this is habitat protection, allowing farming of these animals if feasible, and vegan movement.

[chetak]

The only thing that will stop this is habitat protection, allowing farming of these animals if feasible, and vegan movement.

saar,

to what end, so that their horns can be harvested and sold to cheeni na mards

let the rhinos roam free in their habitat and take out (with extreme prejudice) the poachers who come to harm them

the rhinos will be missed, but no one really cares if the poacher population drops by a few thousand or so or much more

[Manish_P]

^ both can be done together, Chetak sir.

A backup gene pool will be good

Typically private owners are more protective of their 'property'..

The number of tigers (though in captivity) is the US is actually more than the number of tigers in the wild.

[chetak]

^ both can be done together, Chetak sir.

A backup gene pool will be good

Typically private owners are more protective of their 'property'..

The number of tigers (though in captivity) is the US is actually more than the number of tigers in the wild.

Manish saar,

With poachers, it is best to move from deterrence to termination. Encounter a few prominent poacher types outside their zones of operation and put the fear of the little (and unexpected) 7.65mm "gift" into their black hearts.

why do these (mostly) gentle giants have to pay with their lives

[sanjaykumar]

Some anti-social type had suggested adding Polonium to the animal products. Let’s see how what that does to the chinaman’s love life.

One can always destroy the demand. Even a rumour.

[nandakumar]

Poaching of rhino is a serious menace in Assam. A few years ago, I had visited Pabitoro wildlife sanctuary near Guwahati. 5 kilometers ahead of the sanctuary there were armed guards posted at regular intervals and policing was very visible inside the sanctuary. I was quite intrigued by it. But my host assured me that it is very essential.

[yensoy]

Poaching is a big issue. Could be a jihadi angle to it. The only thing that will stop this is habitat protection, allowing farming of these animals if feasible, and vegan movement.

The demand for these animals is based on unscientific traditions of Chinese medicine. Tomorrow if they realize the horns are being "harvested" (a rather cruel word because the poor animal is left to bleed and die) from farmed animals, they will say they want the "real stuff". What next?

Dealing with the demand side of the problem is an unwinnable war. Let's go after the poachers, I am sure there are jihadi links there as well given the nature of the state and the business.

[RoyG]

Poaching is a big issue. Could be a jihadi angle to it. The only thing that will stop this is habitat protection, allowing farming of these animals if feasible, and vegan movement.

The demand for these animals is based on unscientific traditions of Chinese medicine. Tomorrow if they realize the horns are being "harvested" (a rather cruel word because the poor animal is left to bleed and die) from farmed animals, they will say they want the "real stuff". What next?

Dealing with the demand side of the problem is an unwinnable war. Let's go after the poachers, I am sure there are jihadi links there as well given the nature of the state and the business.

No demand side is the way. You have to both curb it and come up with alternatives. Also farmed rhinos are not left to bleed and die. It's a partial removal under anaesthetic. No animal has ever gone extinct when successfully farmed.

[yensoy]

Sir the whole premise of rhino horn is unscientific. Will you explain to the Chinese impotents that farmed rhino horn is as good as butchered rhino horn to burnish their manhood? Do you think they will have the sense to listen? If you think it will work, maybe you should publicize your ideas more widely.

[RoyG]

Sir the whole premise of rhino horn is unscientific. Will you explain to the Chinese impotents that farmed rhino horn is as good as butchered rhino horn to burnish their manhood? Do you think they will have the sense to listen? If you think it will work, maybe you should publicize your ideas more widely.

Horn is horn.

[pravula]

Sir the whole premise of rhino horn is unscientific. Will you explain to the Chinese impotents that farmed rhino horn is as good as butchered rhino horn to burnish their manhood? Do you think they will have the sense to listen? If you think it will work, maybe you should publicize your ideas more widely.

Horn is horn.

You should look at the whole “raw water” movement then…

[RoyG]

Horn is horn.

You should look at the whole “raw water” movement then…

What does raw water have to do with anything?

[pravula]

Sorry to derail. That was a response to “horn is horn” comment. People will differentiate and place value on anything. It’s not too far fetched to have a farmed horn and wild horn market differentiator, with wild horn being a premium product. This plays out currently in fish, esp Salmon, with farmed salmon considered less beneficial to health or even detrimental.

[Manish_P]

..No animal has ever gone extinct when successfully farmed.

This.

+1

[RoyG]

Sorry to derail. That was a response to “horn is horn” comment. People will differentiate and place value on anything. It’s not too far fetched to have a farmed horn and wild horn market differentiator, with wild horn being a premium product. This plays out currently in fish, esp Salmon, with farmed salmon considered less beneficial to health or even detrimental.

Farming anything successfully will at least keep the animal from going extinct. Most of the salmon on the market today is farmed salmon. Health is another issue but the average consumer could care less. The premium product argument doesn't hold much weight today. In the case of caviar, farmed sturgeon makes up almost the entire market. In the case of rhino horn it's obv not going to matter. You're fighting a losing battle. The numbers may come up for now but habitat destruction, poaching, pollution, etc will ensure that protected megafauna are finished in the next few decades from the wild unless something drastic happens. We need a comprehensive approach to conservation. Traditional conservation isn't going to win the long run.

[yensoy]

There is nothing scientific in Rhino horn as a treatment for impotence or as an aphrodisiac, especially when we actually have at least one drug **** that has been researched and approved for use for some decades now. Salmon is provably an excellent source of protein and fish oil, whether it is wild or farmed. How do you deal with an item with no scientific basis and "prove" that its farmed version is equally effective as the non-farmed version? (which ironically it is because both are equally pointless)

Why is it our business to satisfy a clientele's ridiculous demand? Now as for the possibility of farming... do you think it's easy to farm rhinos? The can't be packed into pens or cages, they are wild creatures. How much space would you need for them without subjecting them to extreme cruelty? This isn't like farming crocodiles, pythons or emus (these are wild creatures that are farmed for their skin and emus for their oil too) which don't need too much space. If there were any logic to farming rhinos, this would have already happened in Africa where poaching is rampant but there is a very healthy economy around managed wildlife too.

Rhino horn is contraband. It is not freely and openly available, even in China. I think this idea lacks merit, surprised we are even discussing it at length.

[chetak]

Kirandeep Kaur, wife of fugitive #AmritpalSingh, reached Amritsar airport to go to UK.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/a ... 2023-04-20

Official sources told India Today that Kirandeep Kaur will not fly out as she is required for investigation purposes here in India. Immigration Authorities stopped her from boarding the flight.

Amritpal’s wife was stopped from going to London as there is already a circular for close aides/relatives of Amritpal, that they cannot leave the country.

According to Punjab Police sources, Kirandeep is a citizen of the United Kingdom and is a UK passport holder. She has no case filed against her in Punjab or in any part of the country.

There is no concrete evidence or FIR registered with the Punjab Police or the central agencies regarding Amritpal's wife Kirandeep Kaur being an active member of Babbar Khalsa International while staying in the UK.

Kirandeep Kaur has been detained as a precautionary measure under the same legal process under which the family and acquaintances of the absconding accused are questioned.

[vijayk]

https://www.takethelede.in/revealed-the ... fam-india/


worked as a foreign agent! Also details of a new structure to bring in foreign funds unearthed.

2 Creation of a new structure to continue funding NGOs while bypassing FCRA laws

Since Oxfam India’s FCRA registration was cancelled, the NGO drew up a new structure that would continue to help it carry out its unstated objectives.
The idea was that Oxfam India would co-ordinate with foreign funders (Affiliates) and get them to fund handpicked Affiliate NGOs directly through the FCRA route. One such example noted in their email exchanges is that of NGO Samvad.

Oxfam India would also set up For-Profit Companies (FPCs) which would completely oversee the expenditure and the project work of these Affiliate NGOs.

Oxfam India would have an “arms-length” approach to both the FPC and the Affiliate NGOs, while in reality driving the whole agenda from behind the scenes.


Affiliate NGOs such as Samvad were chosen for funding as Affiliate NGOs on the condition that they would allow Oxfam India “complete freedom to plan the program and staffing in manner they want.”

Soros Funded NGOs Subverting Democratic Election in Karnataka
By Sandhya Ravishankar

The CBI’s FIR against Oxfam India opens up serious questions on what the mega NGO was doing with its foreign funding. While violation of the FCRA Act is evident, the Bureau asks a more worrying question – was Oxfam India working as a foreign agent on behalf of foreign powers?

“This exposed the Oxfam India as a probable instrument of foreign policy of foreign organisations/entities which have funded the Oxfam India liberally over the years,” states the FIR.

The Ministry of Home Affairs had, on April 07, handed over the Oxfam India case to the Central Bureau of Investigation. The CBI subsequently filed an FIR and raided the offices of Oxfam India in Delhi on April 19, 2023.

Below is a summary of the key points in the FIR.


As per Income Tax Department survey of Oxfam India, its income is as below.
Assessment Year Amount (in Rs)
2015-16 76.2 crore
2016-17 84.3 crore
2017-18 48.3 crore
2018-19 57 crore
2019-20 68.8 crore
2020-21 72.2 crore
*Figures rounded off; Source: CBI FIR
Key officebearers: Shankar Venkateswaran (Chairperson); Amitabh Behar (CEO); Pankaj Anand (Director-Programme & Advocacy) and others are named.
Oxfam India had funded Environics Trust to “mobilize communities with the help of local unions against the coal industries. A portion of the agreement between the two NGOs is reproduced in the FIR.

The FIR takes a serious view of this and states – “Oxfam India and its employees appears (sic) to be supporting agitational activities.
Centre for Policy Research (CPR) received Rs 12 lakh towards “short term training” of which Rs 5 lakh was for CPR to use in any way they pleased. Foreign funding was in effect being given as commission, to circumvent the Act.
A large number of NGOs also received sub-grants from the FCRA amount. A total of Rs 2.2 crore was paid out to various NGOs by Oxfam India after September 2020 when the FCRA Act was amended to make such sub-grants illegal.
2 Creation of a new structure to continue funding NGOs while bypassing FCRA laws

Since Oxfam India’s FCRA registration was cancelled, the NGO drew up a new structure that would continue to help it carry out its unstated objectives.
The idea was that Oxfam India would co-ordinate with foreign funders (Affiliates) and get them to fund handpicked Affiliate NGOs directly through the FCRA route. One such example noted in their email exchanges is that of NGO Samvad.

Oxfam India would also set up For-Profit Companies (FPCs) which would completely oversee the expenditure and the project work of these Affiliate NGOs.

Oxfam India would have an “arms-length” approach to both the FPC and the Affiliate NGOs, while in reality driving the whole agenda from behind the scenes.

Affiliate NGOs such as Samvad were chosen for funding as Affiliate NGOs on the condition that they would allow Oxfam India “complete freedom to plan the program and staffing in manner they want.”

Below is an email excerpt which is part of the CBI FIR.


The diagram below is replicated from the CBI FIR. It outlines the roles and responsibilities of each part of the new structure. XXX indicates Oxfam India.


Below is an email excerpt that shows the possible names for the FPCs that were to be created by Oxfam India.

Plans to pressurise the Indian government through foreign governments & foreign institutions

Oxfam India was planning to use its influence with the World Bank, IMF, European Union, US State Department, Asian Development Bank and a clutch of European governments to put pressure on the Indian government to renew its FCRA registration. Excerpts of an email are reproduced below.
Steve Price-Thomas, Director of Advocacy, Campaigns and Engagement of Oxfam International based in Hanoi, Vietnam wrote on 28 January 2022 to Diereke van der Wijls, Mustafa (unclear), Maria Rosario Felizco, Jeyong Mei copying Amitabh Behar, Pankaj Anand and Nadia (unclear).

“As you may have heard, the Indian government recently refused to renew the FCRA licence of thousands of Indian society organizations, including Oxfam India. We are doing a lot of behind the scenes work as the (unclear) including the European Union, US State Department and Senate, World Bank, IMF and various European governments.

[RoyG]

yensoy wrote:
There is nothing scientific in Rhino horn as a treatment for impotence or as an aphrodisiac, especially when we actually have at least one drug **** that has been researched and approved for use for some decades now. Salmon is provably an excellent source of protein and fish oil, whether it is wild or farmed. How do you deal with an item with no scientific basis and "prove" that its farmed version is equally effective as the non-farmed version? (which ironically it is because both are equally pointless)

Why is it our business to satisfy a clientele's ridiculous demand? Now as for the possibility of farming... do you think it's easy to farm rhinos? The can't be packed into pens or cages, they are wild creatures. How much space would you need for them without subjecting them to extreme cruelty? This isn't like farming crocodiles, pythons or emus (these are wild creatures that are farmed for their skin and emus for their oil too) which don't need too much space. If there were any logic to farming rhinos, this would have already happened in Africa where poaching is rampant but there is a very healthy economy around managed wildlife too.

Rhino horn is contraband. It is not freely and openly available, even in China. I think this idea lacks merit, surprised we are even discussing it at length.

Yesnoy,

You can't win this war with this kind of mentality. It takes a whole architecture. Plant based movements, farming, habitat conservation, etc. However, with increased habitat destruction coupled with continuation of poaching, the pressures on farming will increase. Rhino has been farmed and unfortunately primarily due to regulation it was killed off.

https://www.slow-journalism.com/delayed ... -save-them