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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Supratik » 06 May 2018 14:52

Rather the question is do Modi-Doval-Rajnath have a plan. I believe they do unless they embarked on this massive project without a plan and then look stupid.

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Postby Supratik » 06 May 2018 15:04

32.9 million applications have been received for NRC update. In my estimate that is short by at least 1-1.5 million. So these people have either returned to Bdesh or disappeared to other parts of India. The statements by CM and state FM are to pressurize illegals to return by themselves. If correctly applied more may return voluntarily instead of getting stranded. The rest have to be deported.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Neshant » 06 May 2018 16:23

I seriously doubt they will return on their own under economic duress.

Assams NRC however is a great start.

Once they get settled in, it will be hell to eject them.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Supratik » 06 May 2018 16:41

They will have to move if the CM seriously carries out what he said - only food, shelter and human rights.

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Postby chetak » 06 May 2018 17:05

Supratik wrote:32.9 million applications have been received for NRC update. In my estimate that is short by at least 1-1.5 million. So these people have either returned to Bdesh or disappeared to other parts of India. The statements by CM and state FM are to pressurize illegals to return by themselves. If correctly applied more may return voluntarily instead of getting stranded. The rest have to be deported.


a great many of these buggers have moved to the south, claiming to be migrant workers from the north and east of India.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby krisna » 06 May 2018 18:43

If these are illegals, then they must not be allowed to vote. very important.
Also regarding kids born in India - will be Indians with all rights as any one of us. what about them.

It will be tough to deport thru state actions.
Don't think this action will be taken- also by and large Indians are not like that despite whatever history is behind us.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Kashi » 06 May 2018 18:57

krisna wrote:Also regarding kids born in India - will be Indians with all rights as any one of us. what about them.


India has long since abolished the principle of jus soli i.e. right of citizenship to anyone born in a country. Their kids are as Bangladeshi as their parents.

Not sure how it works if one of the parents is Indian.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby krisna » 06 May 2018 19:01

^^^^
Thanks

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 06 May 2018 22:23

Kashi wrote:
krisna wrote:Also regarding kids born in India - will be Indians with all rights as any one of us. what about them.


India has long since abolished the principle of jus soli i.e. right of citizenship to anyone born in a country. Their kids are as Bangladeshi as their parents.

Not sure how it works if one of the parents is Indian.


The key will be preventing illegals from obtaining legal documents. Till these loopholes are closed forget the next generation even this generation becomes a vote bank. WB, NE are just experiencing this problem already

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby IndraD » 06 May 2018 23:17

Azadi gang is active in AMU now. Sequence of events is ..
Jinnah portrait erected by student's union > protest by other faction of students asking to remove portrait ? Azadi gang becomes active shouting le ke rahenge azadi..when confronted reply is azadi from RSS & [Hindu] aatankvaad.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 705_1.html
AMU PRO Professor Shafey Kidwai said, "Students were on an indefinite protest at the Bab-e-Syed gate of the university, and were raising the slogan - Bhagwa Rang aur Aatank se Azadi. These are not anti-India slogans, and do not relate to the unity, integrity and sovereignty of India."

He added, "The students are protesting, so that the police and administration act against the so-called Hindu organisations, which had given provocative speeches and raised highly objectionable slogans. A case was also registered in this context."


Kidwai said the students were holding protests in a democratic manner and had three demands.
"The university administration is talking to them. But, when the district administration speaks to them, only then a way-out will be possible," he said.

On May 2, violence broke out at the AMU campus as the row over a Muhammad Ali Jinnah portrait on the campus triggered a right-wing protest.

A function to grant life membership of the student union to former vice president Hamid Ansari was called off and he returned to Delhi.

The AMU students alleged that the protesters were from Hindu Yuva Vahini, and were allowed to leave a police station after being initially detained.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Parasu » 06 May 2018 23:27

^^ Not entirely correct
Jinnah portrait has been there since long.
Some 20-30 Hindu Jagran Manch activists protested regarding this outside AMU gate. Police arrested them and prevented their entry.
Later AMU students found out about this. Gathered and decided to march till the police station where arrested HJM activists were held.
Police tried to convince AMU jihad-trainees not to do so. Students refused. Police lathi-charged to prevent march till station.
Now jihad-trainees sitting on dharna demanding action against HJM activists and Police who lathicharged them.

Azaadi slogans were raised.
Azaadi from Modi and Azaadi from Bharat. To be specific.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby IndraD » 06 May 2018 23:50

word azadi is used specifically against Indian govt. That is why it has been posted here.
Previously same word has been heard in Kashmir, JNU, Hyd etc. Hence the word arouses suspicion immediately.
Interesting that Uni has audacity to hang portrait of some one who asked for Pakistan. And glad these developments are coming out of closet.

Internet services were suspended on Friday in the wake of the unrest in Aligarh Muslim University over the portrait of Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Protests have reached Delhi and students were seen protesting outside Uttar Pradesh Bhawan in the national capital in support of the AMU students. Tension prevailed in Aligarh and students continued their protests demanding action against right-wing protesters who entered the campus and wanted the Pakistan founder’s portrait removed from the student union office, where it has been hanging for decades.

So what happened in AMU?

A BJP MP has asked Aligarh Muslim University to explain why it displays a portrait of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, triggering a row, days after a student sought permission to hold an RSS shakha on its premises. In a letter written to Vice Chancellor Tariq Mansoor on Monday, Aligarh MP Satish Gautam objected to Pakistan founder’s picture on the walls of the AMU student union office.

AMU spokesman Shafey Kidwai on Tuesday defended the portrait, apparently hanging there for decades, saying that Jinnah was a founder of the university and granted life membership of the student union. “Traditionally, photographs of all life members are placed on the walls of the student union,” he said.

What were the consequences?

Later on Wednesday, over two dozen people were injured when Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) students clashed with police. The clash was triggered as police prevented a students’ march against an attempt by activists of RSS affiliate Hindu Jagran Manch (HJM) to storm into the campus earlier in the day.

SP Atul Kumar Srivastava confirmed that slogans were raised against Jinnah and torched his effigy before the police chased them away. Police lobbed teargas shells to disperse the students of Aligarh Muslim University demanding the arrest of outsiders who had barged into the campus, shouting slogans demanding removal of the portrait of Muhammad Ali Jinnah from students’ union office.

The AMU informed the Centre and the state government about the situation while asking the students to maintain peace. AMU Teachers’ Association (AMUTA) asked the Centre to order an impartial, time-bound judicial inquiry to punish the culprits. It condemned “the deliberate criminal activity” at the University main gate. “Instead of taking action against criminal aggressors, AMU students… were re-victimised by lathi-charge,” AMUTA said in a statement.

Internet services were suspended in the region as it had come to the administration’s notice that some anti-social elements could vitiate communal harmony by spreading rumours through videos, using internet services, his order said.

Targeting former Vice President Hamid Ansari

According to the AMU Students Union (AMUSU), the group of students who had entered AMU campus on Wednesday to protest against display of a portrait of Jinnah were looking to target former Vice President Hamid Ansari, who was on campus at the time.

In a complaint to the police, AMUSU alleged that 20 to 25 people of right-wing students’ outfits from other colleges entered the campus, raising slogans against Ansari.

There’s no question of celebrating Jinnah in India, says Yogi Adityanath

According to UP Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, there was no question of celebrating Jinnah in India. Speaking to a news channel, the CM was quoted as saying, “There’s no question of celebrating Jinnah in India. Seems the AMU Jinnah photo might be coming off for good.”

Meanwhile, veteran lyricist-screenwriter Javed Akhtar waded into the row on Thursday, saying it was “shameful” that the portrait of Muhammad Ali Jinnah was put up in Aligarh Muslim University but people, who were protesting against it, should also oppose the “temples made to honour Nathuram Godse”.

The NCP on Thursday accused BJP of raking up the issue of Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s portrait at the Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) for political gains. The Sharad Pawar-led party also dared Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis to accept the demand of BJP legislator Mangal Prabhat Lodha to demolish the Jinnah House, once the Mumbai residence of Pakistan’s founder.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-5164394/

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Neshant » 07 May 2018 05:59

Supratik wrote:They will have to move if the CM seriously carries out what he said - only food, shelter and human rights.


Indians living in slums don't even get 2 out of 3 of those things.

If they have all 3, what reason is there to ever leave.

The longer they are in the country, the less likely it is they will be sent back.


I don't understand why they have been allowed to move into the interior of the country rather than being confined to well managed camps along the border.

More over setting up slums in the capital itself!


Have they all even been biometrically ID?

The security apparatus of the country that is supposed to manage this situation must be incompetent if an army of 40000 refugees can cross the border and be criss crossing the country. Even setting up in J&K to create future security nightmares. Utter insanity.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Manish_P » 12 May 2018 11:35

Police use teargas shells to control violent mob in Aurangabad

Situation in several parts of Aurangabad city turned violent on Friday night with hundreds of youths taking to streets and indulging in stone pelting. Reports say that a 17-year old succumbed to bullet injuries at MGM hospital. He was a resident of Rengtipura.


TV reports on regional marathi channels are giving a different picture. The residents claim a youth of the minority community teased a lady and was thrashed by her children. The youth then gathered his community members (via whatsapp) who started attacking houses and shops. The residents then countered the attacking mob and resulted in full blown riots. The elders were quoted on TV saying if it weren't for their youth the mobs would have burnt down the entire locality.

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Postby Chandragupta » 12 May 2018 20:26

These issues are only going to increase going forward. A new trend is to now keep Muslim girls as young as 10 under full niqab and hijab while Muslim boys harass Hindu girls who are 'uncovered'. All this made up Ganga jamuni tehzeeb is going to come crashing down unless the Muslims act sensibly and leave their religion at home and join mainstream as modern citizens, which has the same probability of happening as that of pigs developing wings and flying.

Kerala is a case in point that needs to be carefully watched for the next 10-15 years as minority community gains numbers there and radicalization is in full swing.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 12 May 2018 23:38

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Kashi wrote:
India has long since abolished the principle of jus soli i.e. right of citizenship to anyone born in a country. Their kids are as Bangladeshi as their parents.

Not sure how it works if one of the parents is Indian.


The key will be preventing illegals from obtaining legal documents. Till these loopholes are closed forget the next generation even this generation becomes a vote bank. WB, NE are just experiencing this problem already


Any illegal can obtain a birth certificate from some low level municipal employee simply by saying that the kid was born at home. A birth certificate is enough for aadhar.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Supratik » 13 May 2018 22:08

This was not a well thought out idea from the beginning. I can tell from anecdotal experience that even west Bengali Hindus in WB are not very happy with the influx of Bdeshi Muslims and "Hindus". Most migrants are economic migrants irrespective of religion. There should be clear-cut asylum laws where people can apply for citizenship if they can show evidence that they had to leave due to religious persecution. It is the responsibility of Bdesh and Pak to protect their minorities just like India protects its minorities and they should be held accountable. The present policy is at best a cop-out.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-no ... al-2614566

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 20 May 2018 11:15

Does anybody have some further inputs on this??



26/11 investigation shielded Indian hand in the entire case, says former MHA officer




26/11 investigation shielded Indian hand in the entire case, says former MHA officer

Abhinandan Mishra

May 19, 2018,

‘After the conviction of Kasab by the Sessions Court, two NAC members were batting for Kasab’s clemency. The whole thing was a collaborative exercise—notwithstanding that it was ISI which conceived and mobilised the entire event—to reach a particular narrative.’


Former Home ministry officer, R.V.S. Mani, who is one of the few officers who has extensive knowledge of how the 26/11 Mumbai attack was investigated, has claimed the investigation aimed at shielding Indian involvement in the entire case. Mani, at the time, was in the Internal Security division and was closely related to the working of the ministry’s arm that dealt with pre 26/11 and post 26/11 events.

Q: What is your reaction on former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent admission about 26/11 Mumbai attack?

A: What is new about it? We all knew this. But for the first time, there has been a candid admission about how 26/11 was conceived, planned and executed, from an across-the-border person of significance. But this also throws up a few other questions that are related to the Indian involvement in this whole attack.

Q: What questions?

A: See, I do not want to shoot into the muddy air. But you must see the then Home Ministry’s reply to Starred Question of Lok Sabha No. 78. Replied on 2 March 2010, it states that “Intercepts have been shared with Pakistan”. What stopped the Home Ministry from replying that “all intercepts have been shared” instead of merely saying “intercepts have been shared”.

I have answered this in my forthcoming book, Hindu Terror, under the subheading “Another head rolls”. I am not stupid as to not know the difference between “intercepts” and “all intercepts”. You must know that this reply resulted in the concerned Joint Secretary (JS) being transferred from Internal Security Division on 2 March 2010 itself.

Q: Would you like to elaborate on this? Why was this particular JS transferred?

A: Actually there were teams of two joint secretaries who used to examine all the intercepts/evidences and take them to Home Minister before they were sent to the Ministry of External Affairs for onward sharing with Pakistan.

One or more such intercepts were knocked out (not by bureaucrats). I do not know exactly what it was. But these intercepts, if shared, would have betrayed involvement of a political assent and some ethnic group close to the then ruling dispensation. Hence, it was knocked out from the basket which was to be shared with Pakistan by the then Home Minister P. Chidambaram.

This became a ruse for Pakistani authorities to protect the accused (26/11 mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and six other suspects) and not taking their voice test. For the then ruling dispensation in India, this came as a respite as it suited their convenience. The public opinion in India was as if Pakistan was playing truant with trial whereas it was Indian establishment which was paving the way for them to play truant.


People pay tribute to the victims of 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks on its ninth anniversary in Agra, on 26 November 2017. IANS
Q: That is a serious charge. How can you say this?

A: I will only join the dots based on documents that are in the public domain. First let us take this. What does Indian Navy/Coast Guard do? Their job is to secure the coastal areas of the nations, which is done by continuous surveillance of the coastal areas wherever they are deployed. I have already elaborated this in our earlier meeting.

P. Chidambaram, as Home Minister, had in his statement in the Lok Sabha, on 11 December 2008 admitted that “Indian Navy had sighted ship in Pakistani Waters and later since no further intelligence was generated the search was abandoned “. This is the most specious statement.

The Indian Navy does not abandon their surveillance if Intelligence is not forthcoming. Intelligence is a force multiplier, hence, in the case of intelligence available, they reinforce the surveillance but the converse of it is not true. Here the Intelligence was about a possible coastal terror attack. It cannot be believed that the Indian Navy, still, by its own accord, abandoned its surveillance. You can safely state that the Indian Navy was asked to withdraw (its surveillance).

Now, the second point: During the attack, NSG’s deployment was delayed by three hours by the incumbent minister. This can be corroborated by independent experts, too. That gave the terrorist a lot of strategic advantage. Basically, it was a war. Hence, every minute’s delay was costing us.

Q: What were the officers concerned doing at that time?

A: See, it is a matter of record that by design or by default, the top layer of the Indian Internal Security officers were held up in Pakistan when this attack took place. The rest of the officers, who were there in the MHA on the 26/11 night, did suggest to the Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil that as an interim measure, the locally available resources in Mumbai should be deployed—like the CISF which is an expert force on securing vital installations. One company each could have been drawn up from Mumbai Airport and sent as reinforcement. There is CRPF battalion in Navi Mumbai which could have been utilised ad interim. But the Union Home Minister did not respond to these suggestions. I feel in retrospect that there was design to his silence. The build-up leading to the 26/11 betrayed a lot of things, like the date of Home Secretary Level Meeting that happened on 25 November in Pakistan.

Q: Why do you feel that this meeting was a part of a design?

A: A Joint anti-terror mechanism was started in October 2008 between India and Pakistan. You must note that during such similar previous meetings that were held in July 2007, the Pakistani Interior Secretary left the meeting halfway citing some Lal Masjid Attack. Nothing worthwhile ever came out of all this.

The CBI- FIA cooperation on tackling organised crime syndicate was also coming up as a cropper. The dossier exchange was also a routine, which ended with P. Chidambaram discrediting all our Indian dossiers in March 2011, in the next Home Secretary Level Talk, when one or two persons whose names were in the Indian Dossier that were shared with Pakistan, were found to be in Indian Jails.

Now after the talks had been scheduled for 25 November 2008, someone introduced a new delegate to accompany the officials who were going to Pakistan—this was against the convention. Strategically, this official, by virtue of his job title, became the No. 2 of the delegation. Now, in Islamabad, the then Union Home Secretary earnestly relied upon his suggestion, overruling the suggestion of other delegates on account of seniority. As a result, all but one officer of the delegation were stuck in Pakistan when the carnage was taking place on 26/11.

Q: What happened there after?

A: Kasab is captured. The nationality of Kasab as a Pakistani is confirmed only on 7 January 2009 or some such date. In the interim period, my experience of 30 December 2008, which I have already elaborated to you earlier, was reported to MHA on 31 December 2008, but was taken up with Delhi Police commissioner only on 19 January 2009. Despite that, the Delhi Police did not file an FIR in the case, obviously due to pressure from the minister. It was an attempt to ensure the release of Kasab by trading with a kidnapped officer of the security establishment, but it got botched up.

Hence, the entire 26/11 episode, notwithstanding the fact that it was conceived, executed by ISI, had Indian involvement. Now go to the reply of the above Lok Sabha Question. Kasab during investigation did admit to have received help from Indians which the investigators did not pursue or were told not to pursue—we do not know.

After the conviction of Kasab by the Sessions Court, two NAC (National Advisory Council) members were batting for Kasab’s clemency. Don’t you see a pattern? These are questions which need to be answered. Also, there was a book which stated that the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack was “RSS ki Saazish” (the book was written by a journalist). The whole thing was a collaborative exercise—notwithstanding that it was ISI which conceived and mobilised the entire event—to reach a particular narrative.

You should also see the funding aspect. It was a common knowledge that terror attacks in India during those days were funded by FICN. Few months before 26/11, the State Bank of India, Domriayaganj branch, in Eastern Uttar Pradesh, was found to be holding a huge cache of Fake Indian Currency Notes. There are many dots. These need to be joined to get the entire narrative.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 20 May 2018 11:35

Chandragupta wrote:These issues are only going to increase going forward. A new trend is to now keep Muslim girls as young as 10 under full niqab and hijab while Muslim boys harass Hindu girls who are 'uncovered'. All this made up Ganga jamuni tehzeeb is going to come crashing down unless the Muslims act sensibly and leave their religion at home and join mainstream as modern citizens, which has the same probability of happening as that of pigs developing wings and flying.

Kerala is a case in point that needs to be carefully watched for the next 10-15 years as minority community gains numbers there and radicalization is in full swing.


here is an example of the true manifestation of the oft and conveniently quoted, but never practised BS of the taqiya loaded Ganga jamuni tehzeeb.


we are all being fooled by the sickulars and the pakis.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ramana » 20 May 2018 12:13

Chetak, M.K. Neroynan should be given narco test.

He is one failed Notional Security Adviser.

Same time to MMS to find out what was MKN trying?

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby habal » 20 May 2018 12:50

M. K. Narayanan was attending a music/poet fest after dispatching Joint Secretary (home affairs), addl secretary (home) and secretary (home) to pakistan on the day 26/11 had happened. Those 3 were the most important nodes to coordinate any national security challenge and had hotlines to disaster relief, NSG, IB, MoD pro, PMO. Narayanan took this opportune moment to pleasure himself with a music festival. 26/11 had a lot of inside help, and some clever assasinations had happened under cover of the general mayhem of a terror attack. We need to look at assasination as prime motive for 26/11 and mayhem of terrorists as surrounding distraction. It looks like karkare had uncovered some deep nested international nodes for poisonous critters and he and his team needed to be eliminated under cover of mayhem asap. And these international nodes were probably much deeper than the abhinav bharat drama that was played out in Indian courts.

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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... ha-officer
P. Chidambaram, as Home Minister, had in his statement in the Lok Sabha, on 11 December 2008 admitted that “Indian Navy had sighted ship in Pakistani Waters and later since no further intelligence was generated the search was abandoned “. This is the most specious statement.

The Indian Navy does not abandon their surveillance if Intelligence is not forthcoming. Intelligence is a force multiplier, hence, in the case of intelligence available, they reinforce the surveillance but the converse of it is not true. Here the Intelligence was about a possible coastal terror attack. It cannot be believed that the Indian Navy, still, by its own accord, abandoned its surveillance. You can safely state that the Indian Navy was asked to withdraw (its surveillance).

Now, the second point: During the attack, NSG’s deployment was delayed by three hours by the incumbent minister. This can be corroborated by independent experts, too. That gave the terrorist a lot of strategic advantage. Basically, it was a war. Hence, every minute’s delay was costing us.(time given to carry out assasinations)

Q: What were the officers concerned doing at that time?

A: See, it is a matter of record that by design or by default, the top layer of the Indian Internal Security officers were held up in Pakistan when this attack took place. The rest of the officers, who were there in the MHA on the 26/11 night, did suggest to the Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil that as an interim measure, the locally available resources in Mumbai should be deployed—like the CISF which is an expert force on securing vital installations. One company each could have been drawn up from Mumbai Airport and sent as reinforcement. There is CRPF battalion in Navi Mumbai which could have been utilised ad interim. But the Union Home Minister did not respond to these suggestions. I feel in retrospect that there was design to his silence. The build-up leading to the 26/11 betrayed a lot of things, like the date of Home Secretary Level Meeting that happened on 25 November in Pakistan.

Q: Why do you feel that this meeting was a part of a design?

A: A Joint anti-terror mechanism was started in October 2008 between India and Pakistan. You must note that during such similar previous meetings that were held in July 2007, the Pakistani Interior Secretary left the meeting halfway citing some Lal Masjid Attack. Nothing worthwhile ever came out of all this.

The CBI- FIA cooperation on tackling organised crime syndicate was also coming up as a cropper. The dossier exchange was also a routine, which ended with P. Chidambaram discrediting all our Indian dossiers in March 2011, in the next Home Secretary Level Talk, when one or two persons whose names were in the Indian Dossier that were shared with Pakistan, were found to be in Indian Jails.

Now after the talks had been scheduled for 25 November 2008, someone introduced a new delegate to accompany the officials who were going to Pakistan—this was against the convention. Strategically, this official, by virtue of his job title, became the No. 2 of the delegation. Now, in Islamabad, the then Union Home Secretary earnestly relied upon his suggestion, overruling the suggestion of other delegates on account of seniority. As a result, all but one officer of the delegation were stuck in Pakistan when the carnage was taking place on 26/11.


the remit of the coast guard and Indian navy is to continue tailing suspiscious vessels for maximum extent possible and not leave chase abrupt for whatever reason. Coast guard pilots have job of tailing all marked vessels for days together and they do not just stop tailing vessels on instinct or otherwise.

If three hour time gap is left on purpose for assasins to carry out their selected jobs, then abhinav bharat is too small an organization to force incumbant home minister, NSA to sleep on the job and facilitate assasination as well as ask navy to stop tailing a suspiscious vessel. The pressure was from somewhere much higher, like international forces who control a lot of levers.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Gagan » 20 May 2018 16:47

Please watch RSN Singh’s speech.
The intel agencies know who all are involved
To save time start around 18:40 or so

https://youtu.be/0DSrg3TLufs

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby habal » 20 May 2018 18:44

mkn was intel agency man, so it is of little comfort if intel agencies know it all. This is deeper conspiracy than just abhinav bharat. There seem to be two teams of attackers. First team is not armed with Ak-47s but revolvers and hand guns and were busy assasins operating at Cama hospital. No ak-47 rounds found there as report submitted to judge tahiliani. Police refused to classify nature of rounds found there. Hemant karkare was shot dead there at close quarters, most likely insde job. Next group of assasins snaked their way into chabad centre. Maybe it is from the chabad centre that info was compromised. This group was not from first team but from second team since their mission was suicidal.
The second team was basically kasab-type spray and pray artists who received training from LeT. They were hired by those behind the first team to create mayhem in the melee of which these target killings could take place. Or it was job outsourced to some expendables.
the first team escaped unhurt, only second team suffered casualties.
connect the dots, who was behind the first team.
david headley was perhaps the link node between two teams and that is why he was spirited away by culinary.
he would reveal too much info.
a lot of key personnel in our agencies are compromised goods and work for western interests at the very least.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 22 May 2018 16:09

Cr.PC 144 had already been declared in the area, yet the protesters ganged up and indulged in violence.
One feared killed in police firing; several anti-Sterlite protesters, policemen injured in clashes in Thoothukudi.
Seems to be a well coordinated campaigned against the Sterlite planned.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Supratik » 22 May 2018 18:59

Seems similar to the nuclear power plant protests which was organized from abroad.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 273066.cms

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Parasu » 22 May 2018 20:11

habal wrote: 26/11 had a lot of inside help, and some clever assasinations had happened under cover of the general mayhem of a terror attack. We need to look at assasination as prime motive for 26/11 and mayhem of terrorists as surrounding distraction. It looks like karkare had uncovered some deep nested international nodes for poisonous critters and he and his team needed to be eliminated under cover of mayhem asap.

Wow. Just wow. Exactly what Maoist-jihadi nexus says.
26/11 was done by RSS. Hemant Karkare was eliminated by RSS because he was investigating Malegaon bomb blasts. It was never about Jihad by the pakis.
I thought BR was the last place, I would hear such tripe.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Bart S » 22 May 2018 20:25

Supratik wrote:Seems similar to the nuclear power plant protests which was organized from abroad.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 273066.cms


There never was any real problem or danger due to the nuclear power plants, that was 100% pure foreign agenda driven NGO agitations.

In this case, from what I understand the history is much murkier with there being genuine pollution and health issues for residents plus crony capitalism and corruption over the years to stifle any action aimed at forcing them to clean up their act. So not quite the same, though with every violent mob a political hand cannot be far behind.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Philip » 22 May 2018 22:53

There seems to be no suitable thread for this event so am posting it here.

Police massacre protesters at the Vedanta Sterlite plant in Tuticorin.Police snipers atop vans shot dead at least 11 with dozens injured.Unarmed protesters shot dead..Cops carrying Kalashnikov! This has been described as TN's Jallianwallah Bagh. Women in the front were killed.They were carrying out the 100th day protest.

This is being called as cold- blooded murder by the state police and the centre condemned from allegedly trying to save the plant, which allegedly expanded facilities without proper permission.The centre is supposed however to have given closure otice to the plant in Feb.The issue is also in court.It has been on the boil for months.The issue has now erupted like a volcano.

Allegations flying thick and fast.The DMK allegedly gave permission when they were in power.The Vedanta plant has had many accidents, repeated inquiries by pollution control, etc.,, penalties, etc., but the plant continued operations.Allegations against all ruling regimes for allowing this travesty to pollute Tuticorin for years.
This latest massacre is going to be a turning point in the state's politics.

Some allege that Tamil fringe outfits with pro- LTTE sympathies are behind the protests, as they tried to do with the jallikattu protests earlier.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby vijayk » 22 May 2018 23:34

Who else high profile officer was killed 26/11 other than Mr.Kakare?

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Rudradev » 23 May 2018 01:44

Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Kamte, along with Karkare. Both were legendary for their willingness and ability to do anything necessary to bring down D-company and other organized criminal/jihadi/ISI assets, including encounters.

It is indeed suspicious that ALL three of these guys were sent to exactly the same position (near Cama Hospital) where an ambush had been prepared for them.

Also note the fact that Karkare had reportedly received numerous irate phone calls from Digvijaya Singh of the INC govt. in the days before 26/11. Digvijaya Singh was exerting pressure on Karkare (head of Maharashtra ATS) to come up with "evidence" that would implicate Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya, Swami Aseemanand and others who had been accused of "Saffron Terrorism".

Karkare, as a diligent investigator, had realized that the case against Purohit and others was bogus and there was no evidence to be found. He had begun to push back against the demands of the Sonia govt's inquisitors. A few days later, 26/11.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby VKumar » 23 May 2018 01:49

Read dna.in/frdy Amnesty report that Rohingyas killed scores of Hindus.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby vera_k » 23 May 2018 06:10

The government, like the British, sees Indians as a nuisance

Lots of laws to hold people without even being charged for a long time.

Prevention of Dangerous Activities of Bootleggers, Drug offenders, Forest offenders, Goondas, Immoral Traffic Offenders, Slum grabbers and Video Pirates Act :!:

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 23 May 2018 11:12

Philip wrote:Some allege that Tamil fringe outfits with pro- LTTE sympathies are behind the protests, as they tried to do with the jallikattu protests earlier.

When folks like S.P Udayakumar are leading the protests, pro-LTTE, pro-Evangelical church groups etc. cannot be really far behind. This was a real orchestrated protest planning to cause mayhem, and conducted even when a curfew was declared using Cr.PC 144. More than protest against Sterlite, I feel this is a pro-LTTE and Evangelical church move against ADMK (said to be pro-BJP) and Central Govt. itself. We can now hear more "Bishops" et.al (like the one at Delhi) now accusing ADMK and Modi for being anti-people, anti-minority etc.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 23 May 2018 13:55

more sickularism. One would have thought that at least, this pretentious creep would know better...................


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Bart S » 23 May 2018 14:02

Sachin wrote:
Philip wrote:Some allege that Tamil fringe outfits with pro- LTTE sympathies are behind the protests, as they tried to do with the jallikattu protests earlier.

When folks like S.P Udayakumar are leading the protests, pro-LTTE, pro-Evangelical church groups etc. cannot be really far behind. This was a real orchestrated protest planning to cause mayhem, and conducted even when a curfew was declared using Cr.PC 144. More than protest against Sterlite, I feel this is a pro-LTTE and Evangelical church move against ADMK (said to be pro-BJP) and Central Govt. itself. We can now hear more "Bishops" et.al (like the one at Delhi) now accusing ADMK and Modi for being anti-people, anti-minority etc.


He is not really leading the protests, he just jumped in sensing an opportunity. This has DMK/MDMK fingerprints all over it.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Chandragupta » 23 May 2018 14:08

How many refugees who are 'morally different' than militants will this sootiya accommodate inside his house and have them live alongside his wife & daughters/sisters?

RD ji - I think Karkare was completely co-opted. Going by Mrs.Purohit's testimony, it was Karkare who tortured the Lt.Col the most. He was in touch with Congressis also and was a co-founder of the 'Saffron Terrorism Inc'. He may have been bumped because he knew too much and not because he was going to turn dharmic.
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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby jaysimha » 24 May 2018 12:31

regarding the Thoothukudi events...

I wonder of BIF people are aiming at plans to develop TN as major defence corridor??

JMT..

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Neshant » 24 May 2018 12:48

VKumar wrote:Read dna.in/frdy Amnesty report that Rohingyas killed scores of Hindus.



WTF are 40,000 of them doing in our country and how did 40,000 even manage to get in.

Whomever is in charge of border security needs to be fired!

Scary to say the least.

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New evidence reveals Muslim-majority Rohingya massacred 105 Hindus: Amnesty

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 293239.cms

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Bart S » 24 May 2018 12:52

jaysimha wrote:regarding the Thoothukudi events...

I wonder of BIF people are aiming at plans to develop TN as major defence corridor??

JMT..


It is not really near the defense corridor. I don't think that there is any grand conspiracy here, though unsavoury elements can certainly take advantage of it. There are genuine pollution issues and the same company has pollution lawsuits against it from other parts of the world as well. It's just a simple matter of crony capitalists having flouted norms for decades by paying off state and central governments, leading to a long simmering protest that finally exploded in their face and is being exploited opportunistically by unsavoury fringe elements as well.


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