Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Lalmohan » 06 Jun 2018 17:28

another point to note re horses vs elephants - much of the core indian heartland is broken volcanic ground (deccan in particular) which does not lend itself to sweeping manoeuvre with fast moving horse armies, but favours infantry and elephants

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby SBajwa » 06 Jun 2018 18:23

Isn't Lord Krishna called Partha Sarthi aka Driver of Arjun's chariot (driven by 2 horses) in Mahabharta?

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby sudarshan » 06 Jun 2018 18:53

SBajwa wrote:Isn't Lord Krishna called Partha Sarthi aka Driver of Arjun's chariot (driven by 2 horses) in Mahabharta?


Five horses. They are likened to the five sense organs, which need to be reined in using the reins (the mind) by the charioteer (the intellect), so that the soul (the occupant of the chariot) can reach his destination. So Krishna the master charioteer represents the trained intellect guiding the soul to moksha.

But those chariots were for use on dedicated battlefields, with no trees around. Then the question arises as to how people traveled in those days. The traditional depiction is again horse-drawn chariots. But there could have been roads cutting through forest. In fact, Bharata (Rama's brother) ordered the construction of roads when he became the ruler (on Rama's behalf). So travel by horse is not unthinkable in forested land if there are good roads, just like how, today, you can't just drive your car anywhere you want, but need to stay on roads.

The other issue I've commented on before, though not on this forum, is the issue of numbers. If you read novels about medieval Europe, the battle scenes feature armies of - *150 to 200 men!!*. Europe never had the numbers to compare against India. I'm basing my views on novels like Stevenson's "Black Arrow" or "Hereward the Wake" (I don't remember who wrote that one). A force of 500 men in medieval Europe would have been considered extraordinarily strong (and in fact, it *was* considered an extraordinary force in "Hereward the Wake"). Whereas India deals with akshauhinis and millions matter-of-factly.

So in Europe, a battle could simply take place on city streets (street-to-street) and be over in a matter of minutes. Not so in India. In "Black Arrow," the writer describes a battle scene happening in a forest (if my memory serves me right - I read this a long time ago). Can you imagine armies in India fighting in dense forest? Dedicated battlefields - Kurukshetra, Panipat, et al. - are the way to go in India. I don't know the Ramayana that well, but I think Kara's army attacked Rama in the forest - that's the only instance of a forest battle that I know (I could be wrong of course).

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby disha » 06 Jun 2018 19:52

^India is a vast country.

It can be forgiven that a person raised in NCR all his/her life will think that India is a vast urban jungle. But that is not the case.

Case in point:

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The above mammal runs faster than a horse and requires vast grasslands for sweeping maneuvers.

And Indian Continent had 10000s of them.

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Postby disha » 06 Jun 2018 19:56

At the same time searching for spokes on the wheels of chariots in the verses of RigVeda is Wild Goose Chase.

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Postby RoyG » 06 Jun 2018 23:01

disha wrote:At the same time searching for spokes on the wheels of chariots in the verses of RigVeda is Wild Goose Chase.


This is really astonishing. Where exactly is the sanskrit verse for spoke wheel? I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby SBajwa » 06 Jun 2018 23:10

sudarshan wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Isn't Lord Krishna called Partha Sarthi aka Driver of Arjun's chariot (driven by 2 horses) in Mahabharta?


Five horses. They are likened to the five sense organs, which need to be reined in using the reins (the mind) by the charioteer (the intellect), so that the soul (the occupant of the chariot) can reach his destination. So Krishna the master charioteer represents the trained intellect guiding the soul to moksha.

But those chariots were for use on dedicated battlefields, with no trees around. Then the question arises as to how people traveled in those days. The traditional depiction is again horse-drawn chariots. But there could have been roads cutting through forest. In fact, Bharata (Rama's brother) ordered the construction of roads when he became the ruler (on Rama's behalf). So travel by horse is not unthinkable in forested land if there are good roads, just like how, today, you can't just drive your car anywhere you want, but need to stay on roads.

The other issue I've commented on before, though not on this forum, is the issue of numbers. If you read novels about medieval Europe, the battle scenes feature armies of - *150 to 200 men!!*. Europe never had the numbers to compare against India. I'm basing my views on novels like Stevenson's "Black Arrow" or "Hereward the Wake" (I don't remember who wrote that one). A force of 500 men in medieval Europe would have been considered extraordinarily strong (and in fact, it *was* considered an extraordinary force in "Hereward the Wake"). Whereas India deals with akshauhinis and millions matter-of-factly.

So in Europe, a battle could simply take place on city streets (street-to-street) and be over in a matter of minutes. Not so in India. In "Black Arrow," the writer describes a battle scene happening in a forest (if my memory serves me right - I read this a long time ago). Can you imagine armies in India fighting in dense forest? Dedicated battlefields - Kurukshetra, Panipat, et al. - are the way to go in India. I don't know the Ramayana that well, but I think Kara's army attacked Rama in the forest - that's the only instance of a forest battle that I know (I could be wrong of course).


Thanks Sudarshan!

Just because the chariots and horses are mentioned in our ancient Granths does it not mean that they existed in India? Isn't that the proof enough?

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Postby RoyG » 07 Jun 2018 00:11

Horse remains were unearthed in Hallur, Karnataka with C14 dating putting them between 1500-1300BC. This is an often forgotten piece of info which goes against AIT. Also terracotta figurines of spoked wheels are present dated from ~2200-1400BC.

I think horses were definitely present on the subcontinent but were uncommon compared to other mega-fauna like rhino, bear, cow, buffalo, etc.

The only thing that will ever settle the debate is decoding the indus seals. Most agree its Sanskrit. Suzanne Sullivan who imo has already deciphered it recently came across an Indus seal inscription which to her surprise translates to ‘bi-an-cha-y-ti-an’ which is Chinese for Saraswati.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby venug » 07 Jun 2018 00:15

Sri krishna/Arjuna's ratha only had 4 horses. Surya's has 7 horses. BTW his chariot is the only one with 7 horses, with one wheel and sarathi who has no legs (Aruna)

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby disha » 07 Jun 2018 00:27

SBajwa wrote:Just because the chariots and horses are mentioned in our ancient Granths does it not mean that they existed in India? Isn't that the proof enough?


What happens if the granth were composed after AiT? Then it will mention both the horse and the chariot. Right?

So this is what happened:

1. Arians brought the chariots first, left it here.
2. Then came back on horses with empty papers.
3. Decimated SVC completely
4. Then the Arians sat down to compose the vedas with memories of the horse and chariot and the mighty rivers that flowed in Central Asia.

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Postby RoyG » 07 Jun 2018 01:01

The problem is that when carbon-14 dating pushes it past 2000BC, Vagheesh and Co. is going to have to push back all the dates. It will be a complete mess. What he doesn't yet realize is that if genetics shows that warrior geezer has Steppe DNA it would still predate Mittani. It's impossible to reconcile. He's already grasping for straws when it comes to composing the Vedas with memories of horse, chariot, rivers from Central Asia. I don't blame him. He's devoted a lot of time only to see the majority of his work go to sh*t based on new archaeological evidence which is far more accurate in terms of dating. This was about linguistics all along and not the migration of peoples. He has to prove that we have white mans language and that it gave us culture and everything else. We don't have mass migration of Indian genes to spread Sanskrit through Asia but it did nonetheless. Based on linguistic evidence, this appears to be the case in this time period as well.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Jun 2018 01:59

disha - perhaps i should have explained myself better; i did not discount horses, i was supporting the idea of the widespread use of elephants
clearly many parts of india are open plains, where horses and chariots would naturally be very effective

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby RoyG » 07 Jun 2018 04:06

David Reich on PBS.


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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 07 Jun 2018 10:25

Cheetas are faster then horse.
Biladi Indians have tamed cheetas too.

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https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-hunti ... 15635.html

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* Horse remains have been found in IVC site of Surkotada. Disclaimer of 34 ribs rides over the horse remains.

* Carbon dating C14 can be done only on organic material. There are other dating techniques for non-organic artefacts.

* The two Shri sukta reference given above where Horse, Elephant and Chariots are mentioned twice (and) the later (19) verse mentions it with cow denotes these were very common things people wanted to own.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 07 Jun 2018 10:29

Equus Sivalensis (The siwalik horse)'s remains were found deep in Tamilnadu too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_sivalensis

Does not find favour with Witz/Iravadan.

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Postby Murugan » 07 Jun 2018 11:00

Alexander the Gay invaded India with horses and faced armies with elephant batteries. He, according to greek 'historians' won over the elephant riding army of Indians with his swift bachchaphallus horse. According to these historians, he, was, however, impressed with elephants ! He had 15 (earlier owned) +15 (added)=30 elephants in his stable. He added 15 from the 'defeated' army.

Seleucus Nicator was thrashed by Mauryan forces but he 'gave' away large part of his land in exchange of few hundred elephants. Later, after his death the Seleucids subjugated many kingdoms west, north and south of them, of course, with the help of elephants.

The importance of elephants in war craft was never reduced. The above WWI pics are proof.

Mughals relied on elephants, be it ceremonial or battle purpose.

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Mughal Procession

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Chetak of Maharana Pratap with Elephant Mask Attacking Mughal Commander Mansingh on Elephant

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The only animal which could be warrior itself. Indians tied elephant sword to the trunk and you have force multiplier in an animal

Horses were good for plain and lightly wooded areas, for guerilla warfare, shoot and scoot warfare etc. But the witzelian importance of horse in progress in the lives of elephant/cheeta taming hunter gatherer indians is horse manure. For sure.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 07 Jun 2018 11:19

just for the record. Horses cannot beat Elephants except in speed, that too by not a good margin. Elephants can run @40 km/h while horses at @ 70km/h

However, for witzelian satisfaction, if wishes were horses:
The Indian sivalensis horse has survived as many modern breeds of horse, and the Arabic, the Thoroughbred of Europe and the Blood races have evolved from the sivalensis.


“Equus sivalensis is the oldest true horse known, it has more highly specialised teeth than the Oreston and Newstead ponies. After Lydekker. Palaeontologia Indica, Ser. x. vol. ii.” (Ewart 1911: 366)


From P Priyadarshi's paper

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Postby Murugan » 07 Jun 2018 11:50

Witzelian Goras on Bullock Carts with Cheeta Tamer Hunter Gatherer SDRE Indians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevenDIp95A

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Postby Suresh S » 07 Jun 2018 19:50

Today is a good day. Inspite of whatever people accuse Pranab Da of, financial wrong doings . I have forgiven him today for recognizing one of the great sons of Modern India Dr Hedgewar. Even many people on this forum have not heard of Dr hedgewar let alone rest of India. Dr hedgewar did something in 1925(founding of RSS) that saved India from Traitors within and remind it of it,s great civilization. I am proud to say he did his Medical studies in Kolkotta.

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Postby RoyG » 08 Jun 2018 22:40

Suresh S wrote:Today is a good day. Inspite of whatever people accuse Pranab Da of, financial wrong doings . I have forgiven him today for recognizing one of the great sons of Modern India Dr Hedgewar. Even many people on this forum have not heard of Dr hedgewar let alone rest of India. Dr hedgewar did something in 1925(founding of RSS) that saved India from Traitors within and remind it of it,s great civilization. I am proud to say he did his Medical studies in Kolkotta.


What does this have to do with out-of-india?

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby arun » 13 Jun 2018 07:50

Harappan site of Rakhigarhi: DNA study finds no Central Asian trace, junks Aryan invasion theory

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Economic Times

Excerpt:

The much-awaited DNA study of the skeletal remains found at the Harappan site of Rakhigarhi, Haryana, shows no Central Asian trace, indicating the Aryan invasion theory was flawed and Vedic evolution was through indigenous people.

The lead researchers of this soon-tobe published study — Vasant Shinde and Neeraj Rai — told ETthat this establishes the knowledge ecosystem in the Vedic era was guided by “fully indigenous” people with limited “external contact”.

“The Rakhigarhi human DNA clearly shows a predominant local element — the mitochondrial DNA is very strong in it. There is some minor foreign element which shows some mixing up with a foreign population, but the DNA is clearly local,” Shinde told ET. He went on to add: “This indicates quite clearly, through archeological data, that the Vedic era that followed was a fully indigenous period with some external contact.”

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Postby arun » 13 Jun 2018 07:59

ASI-Excavated Sanauli Chariots Have Potential To Challenge Aryan Invasion Theory : Recent discovery of three ‘pre-Iron Age’ carriers in Western Uttar Pradesh has excited the world of ancient history. But equally interesting would be the result of a search: were they horse-ridden?

Outlook India

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby arun » 13 Jun 2018 08:04

^^^ Articles over the last couple of days on excavations at Rakhigarhi and Sanauli previously posted about on this thread.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby RoyG » 13 Jun 2018 08:10

C-14 dating puts the skeletons at 2300BC. I don't think this damages the recent genetic findings b/c they supposedly came after. It's the spin on it that will prove to be extremely damaging. With this they will declare that AIT happened and the origin of 'PIE' lie in Central Asia. That's it. Until Indus seals are decoded to show they are Sanskrit, the battle is lost for the most part. Anyway, not like this wasn't coming. They were under pressure for a while b/c I'm sure they realized that this would happen. Anyway, perhaps its time to move on from this until we get new data from recent archaeological findings and decoding seals.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Prem Kumar » 13 Jun 2018 09:35

RoyG: not sure what you are going on about?

Both the recent articles BURY AIT. The latest one from Economic Times has our fav Niraj Rai again - except he is arguing for indigenous Vedas with only "minimal contact" with Iranians. Don't know which way this guy swings on any given day!

The only gripe I have with the ET article is that Shinde and Rai say that the Vedic era started after the Rakhigarhi period, which is bogus

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Postby Arjun » 13 Jun 2018 10:23

Caravan article about a month back carried a different spin on it from what Niraj Rai is saying now....http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/i ... rakhigarhi

I guess it will boil down to how he can prove that these burials are associated with Vedic period or rituals.

But if what Niraj Rai is saying now is accepted - this is truly fabulous news!

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Postby RoyG » 13 Jun 2018 10:33

Prem Kumar wrote:RoyG: not sure what you are going on about?

Both the recent articles BURY AIT. The latest one from Economic Times has our fav Niraj Rai again - except he is arguing for indigenous Vedas with only "minimal contact" with Iranians. Don't know which way this guy swings on any given day!

The only gripe I have with the ET article is that Shinde and Rai say that the Vedic era started after the Rakhigarhi period, which is bogus


If you read what I wrote you would know.

Recent genetic paper from Reich team puts invasion at 1500 bc.

Rakhi skeletons are dated to 2300 bc.

Therefore, if there is no steppe in rakhi dna than reich paper intact.

Nothing is burying anything. The only thing that can bury is accepting the evidence from vedas, archaeology, and finding translation for indus script. if its the case that indus script is IE, than ALL of the bullshit genetics, linguistics, etc. goes out the window, Wietzel does self immolation while Shiv, Talageri, and others scream Jai shri ram.

For those that can't see that Brahmi and Elamite originated from Indus script, they are truly mentally retarded. Some of the characters are 100% the same. Are they going to tell me that they took the symbol and didn't keep the phonetics? Four word - GTFO. Tamil script came from it as well but there are very few Tamil word seals found. It was predominately an IE language. The oldest seal is 3300 BC. Just based on this alone, we can prove indian subcontinent is origin of IE.

But hey, this wont stop the white man from loving his PIE shit...

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 13 Jun 2018 14:50

Prem Kumar wrote:....The only gripe I have with the ET article is that Shinde and Rai say that the Vedic era started after the Rakhigarhi period, which is bogus


Ths could well be the start of composition and indexing, not actual start of vedic era.

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Postby Murugan » 13 Jun 2018 15:04

According to Rai, the evidence points to a predominantly indigenous culture that voluntarily spread across other areas, not displaced or overrun by an Aryan invasion. “The condition of the human skeletons, the burial...all show absence of palaeo-pathology symptoms which could indicate ailments due to lack of medical care. The persons here were healthy; denture morphology showed teeth free of any infection; bones are healthy, as is the cranium,” Rai told ET.


He also discounted the notion of any violent conflict. “There are no cuts and marks which would be associated with a population subjected to warfare. All this indicates that the people were receiving well-developed healthcare and had full-fledged knowledge systems.” The excavations in Rigvedic phase, he said, corroborate this. “This points to greater continuity rather than to a new Aryan race descending and bringing superior knowledge systems to the region,” Rai said.


This is enough.

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Postby RoyG » 14 Jun 2018 00:22

Murugan wrote:
According to Rai, the evidence points to a predominantly indigenous culture that voluntarily spread across other areas, not displaced or overrun by an Aryan invasion. “The condition of the human skeletons, the burial...all show absence of palaeo-pathology symptoms which could indicate ailments due to lack of medical care. The persons here were healthy; denture morphology showed teeth free of any infection; bones are healthy, as is the cranium,” Rai told ET.


He also discounted the notion of any violent conflict. “There are no cuts and marks which would be associated with a population subjected to warfare. All this indicates that the people were receiving well-developed healthcare and had full-fledged knowledge systems.” The excavations in Rigvedic phase, he said, corroborate this. “This points to greater continuity rather than to a new Aryan race descending and bringing superior knowledge systems to the region,” Rai said.


This is enough.


It's not enough. We are held to a diff standard. It has to be 100% definitive. They aren't arguing that the negroid people of the Indus weren't advanced. They are arguing that they were subjected to unimaginable brutality built on varying degrees of apartheid. The invasion came later and the essence of the vedic culture they brought with them underwent a purification process by the Buddha (uppercaste white male).

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Prem » 14 Jun 2018 05:27

https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... s-5214163/
At Vidarbha, archaeologists unearth capital town of rulers who built Ajanta caves

A team of city-based archaeologists from Deccan College has confirmed that the Vakataka dynasty ruled from its capital Nandivardhan, or the present day Nagardhan, a large village discovered near Ramtek taluka in Nagpur district. Since ancient times, the place has been of great significance to the dynasty that ruled during 250-550 CE. It is the same dynasty that built the world-renowned Ajanta caves in Aurangabad.
Led by project director Virag Sontakke from the Department of Archaeology and Museums, Government of Maharashtra, the team excavated the site in Vidarbha during three seasons between 2015 and 2018. They have unearthed some vital signs and remains in the form of typical artifacts, belonging to the period of the Vakataka rule.“Some of the artifacts, including ceramics and ear studs made of glass, were excavated from the site and these were the typical items used during this period,” Shrikant Ganvir, senior archaeologist at the Deccan College and co-director of the Nagardhan Excavation Project, told The Indian Express. What makes the findings more important is the fact that so far, researchers have only managed to get written inscriptions and copper plates, all featuring the Vataka king, Prithvisena.It is the first trace confirming that the king shifted his capital from Padmapura to Nandivardhan (present day Nagardhan), in Vidarbha. Ceramics, antiquities, bowls and pots, votive shrine and tank, iron chisel, a stone depicting a deer and terracotta bangles were studied by the team, all of which were unique for this period.Terracotta objects with images of gods, animals, humans, along with amulets, scotches, wheels, skin rubbers and spindle whorls were discovered. An intact idol of Ganesha, without any ornaments, revealed that the deity was among the commonly-worshiped ones, and in this case, meant for private worship. Shantanu Vaidya, another co-director for the project, said: “The excavations were planned and carried out at six different locations. From the materials excavated, we find strong links confirming presence of a capital of Vakataka dynasty here.Some of the ceramics, according to the researchers, dated back to third to fourth century CE. At a location, another vital sign that came the team’s way was a near-intact clay sealing of the Vakataka empress, Prabhavatigupta, the chief queen of the Vakataka king, Rudrasena II.“The clay sealing found at the site reveals that the queen was the head of the state post the death of king Rudrasena II. There is also a Bhramhi inscription bearing the queen’s name with a Shankha above it,” a member of the team said. Ganvir said: “There were traces of structures of thick deposits, without any bricks, possibly indicating that before bricks were actually used for construction, there existed flimsy structures at this location.”Giving some ideas about the lives of the people who lived under the Vakatakan kings, animal rearing was found to be one of the main occupations. Remains of seven varied species of domestic animals, including goat, sheep, pig, cat, horse and fowl were found during the excavation.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 15 Jun 2018 10:37

The Davy Lamp Syndrome. :)

Except few outstanding work in recent time (by likes of Shri Nilesh Oak) where totally new understanding has been revealed, the general Indian scholar work, especially the AIT related stuff is just like carrying Davy's Lamp. Reaction onlee to obnoxious gases emanating from half cooked material which do not have any kind of possibility of becoming a palatable dish.

And we like.

If we want to go forward, we need to have our own grand narrative innovative in nature, supported by rigorous logical arguments and strong evidence, well presented and publicised.

Then we will see Vagheesh et al following our work instead of we carry davy's lamp. They will have a bench to study our research instead of ulta situation.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 15 Jun 2018 16:23

Murugan wrote:Chariots halted by AN elephant

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People with knowledge says that horses freak out at the site and smell of elephant




Chariot of 300 horsepower thrown by an elephant
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 15 Jun 2018 16:48

(100) Horse(power) Driven Chariot ki man ki :P (Baat)

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Too much for horse driven chariots' superiority

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Suresh S » 15 Jun 2018 17:36

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Vayutuvan » 17 Jun 2018 21:33

SBajwa wrote:
Thanks Sudarshan!

Just because the chariots and horses are mentioned in our ancient Granths does it not mean that they existed in India? Isn't that the proof enough?


The real problem, sire, is two fold. We need to "prove" that MB was composed before the "immigrants/invaders" arrived. That is not enough though. We also need to "prove" that Gita is not a latter addition.

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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Murugan » 18 Jun 2018 09:43

O the Supreme Lord of the world, in this country of ours, let the Brahmins rise as a community of brilliant men of divinity and illustrious scholars of universal knowledge. Let the Kshatriyas rise as a force of heroic warriors of the chariot and the routers of the enemy with unfailing arrows. May the cows be fertile and abundant in milk, the oxen, carriers of heavy load and coursers be swift; the woman, kind and generous; and may the children (people) of the yajamana; the ruler, be brave and fearless, the victorious riders of the chariot, youthful and civil members of the government. May the clouds rain in showers for us according to the need of the season. May the herbs and trees mature and ripen with abundant fruit. And maybe this land be securely blest with a ceaseless cycle of growth and protection of happiness and prosperity. (Yajurveda 22.22)

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