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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 22 Nov 2019 09:26
by Prem Kumar


Brilliant!! Provides strong OIT support and demolishes several AIT lies. I love how multidisciplinary scientists from India are taking apart AIT.

Lie #1: the original lie. There was no Saraswati. There was only an Indus civilization
Lie #2: there was a Saraswati, but it was the corrupted version of Harahvaiti, which was a river in Afghanistan that the Aryans first encountered
Lie #3: Saraswati river existed. But it was seasonal. The civilization depended on monsoon rains & were subject to the vagaries of the river

Reality #1: Saraswati existed. In modern times, the Gaggar Hakra flows in its paleochannel. The original river is very ancient: 80k years old :shock:
Reality #2: It was big & perennial from 80kya - 20kya. Importantly, it was perennial 9kya - 4.5 kya (Saraswati/Harappan civilization time window)
Reality #3: It supported the most extensive Bronze Age civilization
Reality #4: The Rig Veda spoke of this very same, massive Saraswati river, that was "as wide as the ocean" & "flowed from Himalayas to the sea"
Reality #5: Since the Saraswati started breaking up around 4500 years ago, it marked the zenith & subsequent decline of the Harappan civilization
Reality #6: The above dates place Rig Veda comfortably prior to 4500 years ago
Reality #7: After 4500 years ago, the Saraswati civilization de-urbanized, people moved upstream and downstream of the river

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 05 Jan 2020 21:35
by sudarshan
Rig Vedic references to Yahweh?

Disappointed in above article. Repeatedly makes the claim of "Rig Veda mentions Yahweh multiple times," but doesn't present a single verse in corroboration.

Does the Rig Veda really mention Yahweh?

If the word Yahweh had been used only infrequently in Hindu scriptures, we might have assumed that it was an orchestrated import. But on the contrary, the word appears dozens of times in the Rig Veda, in multiple declensions, as a noun, a verb, an adverb or an adjective.


You'd think a claim like the above would be easy to back up with verses.

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 06 Jan 2020 08:40
by sudarshan
One of the commenters seems to have torn into the author of that article. I wish the comment hadn't been that rude, but I agree with the gist of it.

Either the author took Swarajyamag for a ride, or somebody took the author himself for a ride. Either way, Swarajyamag's credibility has taken a hit in my eyes, if they're going to publish such arrant nonsense as the above with no oversight or cross-checking.

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 06 Jan 2020 09:44
by Prem Kumar
Shoddy article. I think Swarajya is probably understaffed and sometimes an farticle likes this slips through the cracks.

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 06 Jan 2020 11:03
by Prem
sudarshan wrote:Rig Vedic references to Yahweh?Disappointed in above article. Repeatedly makes the claim of "Rig Veda mentions Yahweh multiple times," but doesn't present a single verse in corroboration.Does the Rig Veda really mention Yahweh?
If the word Yahweh had been used only infrequently in Hindu scriptures, we might have assumed that it was an orchestrated import. But on the contrary, the word appears dozens of times in the Rig Veda, in multiple declensions, as a noun, a verb, an adverb or an adjective.

You'd think a claim like the above would be easy to back up with verses.

Author may have picked up the idea from here
http://www.himavanti.org/en/c/himavanti ... ndian-veda

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 08 Jan 2020 04:52
by sudarshan
Prem wrote: Author may have picked up the idea from here
http://www.himavanti.org/en/c/himavanti ... ndian-veda


That link does quote verses with locations, thanks. And there are also a lot of "yahvah"s in those verses. The correspondence with "Yahweh," if any, is at best tenuous, just based on similar sounds. Anyways....

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Posted: 30 Jan 2020 07:20
by Rony
https://twitter.com/NirajRai3/status/12 ... 53057?s=20


Another Breakthrough -
introgression of indicine-derived DNA into Central Italian white cattle breeds, possibly as the result of several gene flow events during agro-pastrolist Out of India Migration about 8000 years ago.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57880-4