India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Sep 2014 12:14

Did the MARP help the US win in Afghanistan. That they will help the Bakis in Bakistan.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Sep 2014 19:41

There is more than meets the eye on this decision by ModiJi

http://news.yahoo.com/indias-modi-obser ... 30004.html

Now question though is if he brings every morsel he eats, and every drop of liquid he drinks, from India. And close, trusted, patriotic secret service personnel are guarding him. US always has the option of $s, green card, you name it, to lure those who need to do the needful.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Sep 2014 19:50

merlin wrote:Modi decides to reciprocate the US gesture of presenting MRAPS to Pakistan by proposing a visa on arrival scheme for US citizens. He sure does love his evangelists.

SENT A tweet to @pmoindia and @narendramodi how Quick Visa helped 9/11 terrorists & David Headly in 26/11

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 22 Sep 2014 19:59

CRamS wrote:There is more than meets the eye on this decision by ModiJi

http://news.yahoo.com/indias-modi-obser ... 30004.html

Now question though is if he brings every morsel he eats, and every drop of liquid he drinks, from India. And close, trusted, patriotic secret service personnel are guarding him. US always has the option of $s, green card, you name it, to lure those who need to do the needful.

If it has been his practice for 40 years, this is unlikely to be a intentional snub. However, one would have expected it to have been worked out much before. Something is definitely odd that this is in the news at this late stage!

I hope for sake of his health he takes some fruits and fruit juices at least and not just lemonade and honey for 9 days with such a hectic and stressful schedule.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Sep 2014 20:48

He normally does this every year for decades. He takes this upavaas as something gives power to him. He even made statements to the said effect. I guess he gets everything from the Maa Durga.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 22 Sep 2014 22:01

Ardeshir wrote:If this report is true, I will be extremely pissed with this government. While I have to show property and a money in the bank and establish 'ties to the country' and then get fingerprinted and undergo retina scans, these Yanks can just walk in and get a visa?

At the very least, we should fingerprint them and have them undergo biometric scans, the way Brazil did even if we are allowing them a visa on arrival.

Modi govt cosies up to Obama: US tourists might soon get visa on arrival in India
New Delhi: India is working on a proposal for Visa on Arrival (VoA) facility for US tourists, one of the big-ticket announcements expected to be made during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's high-profile visit to the US beginning September 26.
The Ministry of Home Affairs is working overtime to finish the work on the VoA proposal to finalise it in time for the Prime Minister's visit, according to government sources. MHA in consultation with the Tourism ministry is working on the Tourist VoA under which visa can be granted to US citizens who do not have a residence or occupation in India and whose sole objective of visiting India would be recreation, sightseeing, casual visit to meet friends and
relatives, etc, the sources said.

Ardeshir, India operates on reciprocity and if India grants it, it means that America agrees to do the same thing for Indian visitors. Besides, this will be a big boost to tourism industry in India if an agreement can be hammered out.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Sep 2014 22:32

Visa on Arrival is not always on reciprocity basis. India (and many other countries that depend on tourism) offer VoA for lots of countries even if they don't reciprocate.

Indian Visa On Arrival for US and many other countries might be different, going by reports that were doing the rounds during last days of UPA rule. Apparently, one will have to apply for visa online with all details to a MEA site. The application will be processed and the applicant will be informed whether their visa has been approved. They don't need to send their passport to any consulate for stamping. They can just land in India, and based on their passport details, they will be granted visa.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 22 Sep 2014 22:49

That is electronic Visa. VOA is different. HK and SG are examples of where Indians get VOA. Arrive at the airport and get visa for entry subject to some conditions.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Sep 2014 23:28

Visa on arrival procedure. Doesn't look like an electronic visa. You fill out a form on arrival and get a visa for 30 days. See here.

http://goindia.about.com/od/visas/qt/In ... rrival.htm

If after David Coleman Headley, India still wants to give Yumrikhans and/or UKstanis visa on arrival, maybe we deserve another 26/11? Also, I can't see the form, so does anyone know if it contains questions about evangelism, and whether there are prosecutable penalties for lying/concealing information?

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 22 Sep 2014 23:44

Ardeshir wrote:If this report is true, I will be extremely pissed with this government. While I have to show property and a money in the bank and establish 'ties to the country' and then get fingerprinted and undergo retina scans, these Yanks can just walk in and get a visa?

At the very least, we should fingerprint them and have them undergo biometric scans, the way Brazil did even if we are allowing them a visa on arrival.

Modi govt cosies up to Obama: US tourists might soon get visa on arrival in India
New Delhi: India is working on a proposal for Visa on Arrival (VoA) facility for US tourists, one of the big-ticket announcements expected to be made during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's high-profile visit to the US beginning September 26.
The Ministry of Home Affairs is working overtime to finish the work on the VoA proposal to finalise it in time for the Prime Minister's visit, according to government sources. MHA in consultation with the Tourism ministry is working on the Tourist VoA under which visa can be granted to US citizens who do not have a residence or occupation in India and whose sole objective of visiting India would be recreation, sightseeing, casual visit to meet friends and
relatives, etc, the sources said.

I don't know if Brazil still has those fingerprinting requirements for Yankee citizens, but there was huge whine fest in US about having to submit 'US citizens' fingerprints to get a foreign visa (conveniently forgetting that they do the same). I don't think US would ever reciprocate VOA scheme for Indian citizens. US VOA eligibility is determined on a country satisfying different requirements...one of them being how likely will their citizens would want to immigrate to US, if I am correct here. Given the long lines in front of US consulates in desh plus the long 10 year wait for GC applicants for Indian citizens, I bet US will be in no mood to reciprocate VOA scheme for us SDRE folks.

I wish Modi govt gives more thought on this before implementing...security being a prime concern as well after 26/11 spying incidents.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Sep 2014 00:20

The chANakyan explanation (or is it charitable explanation?) is to give VoA to all but carefully track the movements/phone calls/contacts of persons of interest (which would be small in number almost surely). If (or I would go so far to say when) they commit a small infraction the whole ugly network can be reeled in or at least put under watch. I hope I am not too far off the truth in assuming that CBI/CID has informers among these terror networks/organizations.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 23 Sep 2014 01:18

No, I am not demanding that we get VoA too. I am merely demanding that if I get fingerprinted and retina scanned, the same treatment should be meted out to a Yank. VoA or not!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Sep 2014 03:32

CRamS wrote:g.sarkarJi,

I was just commenting, not directing the question at you per se. Once again is this report is true, then it adds yet another mystery to Kargil. My understanding to date has been that Mush hid behind Badmaash bending down on his knees before Billy "BJ" C to get a face saver That narrative still holds, but what is new is that India actively lobbied US to force this outcome. I find it hard to believe that US did not extract a price from India. Or could it be that TSPA was under intense pressure from Indian army that by India agreeing to a cease-fire, they got a dog bone and were spared further humiliation? Also, if TSP wanted a cease-fire, why did India not push for more, for e.g., a settlement of Kashmir along LoC == IB?

Its doubly gratifying to make US pressure their munnas.

The price that US extracted was to not follow through with Operation Vijay's other parts.

Only MMS and his Congress ilk want LOC as IB. That is not the preferred outcome for all Indians.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Sep 2014 04:08

It takes either a LOT of confidence or unlimited 404-ness to give VOA. But the point is that if VOA is given to OTHER nationalities, then there is absolutely no sense in not giving it to AmirKhanis. Any Dawood Gilani type will simply come in as Bhadrachalam 'Bud' RamSingh Mukherjee, UK citjen via Dubai, or maybe as Pierre Le PeePee from Marseille. Where are you going to draw the line?

If you can't detect forged documents, and have no means of seeing where 'tourists' go, u have no defence against the Gilanis in any case. No sense in closing the stable door, when the next one will come in via the fence, or swinging from the trees.

Better to let the tourists in, with proper "safety escort" provided at a discreet distance.. and have better detection/communication means in place. Catch many more that way.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 Sep 2014 04:43

we should not force some process just for it. we should do what makes sense to us and meets our requirements.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 23 Sep 2014 04:56

UlanBatori wrote:It takes either a LOT of confidence or unlimited 404-ness to give VOA. But the point is that if VOA is given to OTHER nationalities, then there is absolutely no sense in not giving it to AmirKhanis. Any Dawood Gilani type will simply come in as Bhadrachalam 'Bud' RamSingh Mukherjee, UK citjen via Dubai, or maybe as Pierre Le PeePee from Marseille. Where are you going to draw the line?

Thus far, the scheme has been rolled out for Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, etc. I don't know about the few European countries in that list (none of the big ones like UK, France, or Germany are on that list, by the way) but getting a Japanese or a South Korean passport is definitely hard for a terrorist. Of the top of my head, I can't remember any terrorist from Japan acting on foreign soil after the Japanese Red Army factions got smashed to pulp in the 70s, and none from South Korea.

If you can't detect forged documents, and have no means of seeing where 'tourists' go, u have no defence against the Gilanis in any case. No sense in closing the stable door, when the next one will come in via the fence, or swinging from the trees.

Better to let the tourists in, with proper "safety escort" provided at a discreet distance.. and have better detection/communication means in place. Catch many more that way.

David Headley didn't come on a forged passport. He came on a genuine Khanland one. Forging passports has become much much harder now - gone are the good old days of the 50s when you could just focus on the right quality of paper, binding, and know how serial numbers are created for the various passport offices to create your own fake passport. There is too much cross verification before visas are granted, in general. VoA changes that cross-checking part. It not only makes it easier for `tourists' to get into India on fake passports, it makes almost impossible for any cross-checking to be done. Sure, this way, we might get a couple billion more in investments and tourism, but we are also easily open for a David Headley, or the assorted EJs who will happily lie on their forms about `religious activities'. And no-it is impossible to keep tabs on a few million tourists who are in India at any time. No one can do that.

Further, with uncooperative law enforcement agencies of the west, prosecuting any criminal who comes here, perpetrates criminal activity on our soil and flees back becomes a whole lot difficult. The way to catch is to check before giving visa. And VoA all but makes it impossible.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 23 Sep 2014 05:06

It certainly is very difficult to keep tabs on tourists at all times. I've met a few folks while travelling in Europe and India who go to India regularly and conduct business - e.g. creating handicrafts in India or just buying and then reselling; small outfits but with a permanent base. They seem to just go on regular tourist visas. No one is checking that they are actually running a profitable business and they are not paying any taxes afaik (but did not investigate deep enough). I have no idea if they pay any taxes when they resell in Mexico, or France either.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Sep 2014 06:36

DCH was special case of MKN turning a blind eye despite the perpetrator flaunting his multiple trips. Its strange that no red flag was raised by the Immigration manned by eye bee folks. They all could not be sleeping on the job.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Sep 2014 07:06

All this grand confidence in passports etc sounds great, but remember MH370? Six fake passports? 12? Out of 239 passengers?

If the national intel agencies/ AQ want to forge, they will forge and forge well. A hologram or bar or even a QR code seems awesome, but it's as easy to forge as currency, and the Pakis are masters at that, hain?

As for the confidence in visas issued abroad, we ARE talking about the desi Conjulates that have to outsource even wiping their own oiseules, are we not? The ones who don't do their damn jobs on anything else, except to be filling out (completely 400% accurate) forms for their nannies... won't answer phones, won't respond to emails, won't get anything done on schedule..

How tough is it for the outsourcing to be compromised? Aren't these the worthies who dumped all those Indian passport forms and personal data in the city garbage dump in 'Frisco not long ago?

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 23 Sep 2014 08:34

Zak mia's interview seemed like an advance big-picture feeler for the lazy folks in DC since all the USG big shots who have visited India so far have been focused on either commerce or defense. In that regard, it has given the Americans a good idea of where the relationship will go in the near future and what it will and will not ride on:

1) Regardless of what it says or does by itself, India will not say or do anything in concert with the US (and/or its Euro allies) against either Russia or China unless it has good reason to do so. And BTW, we know who is responsible for MH17 and Ukraine.

2) The biggest problem in the world today and for India in particular is terrorism (aka inhumanity, emanating from Muslim countries that America is friendly with like pakiland and saudia). Religious freedom, minority rights, violence against against women, ethnic cleansing etc are not items to be used against India under any circumstances or you will get egg on your face.

3) India does not want to be compared to anyone else or be like anyone else. It just wants to be "India", a unique, confident, rich and talented nation.

The Americans need not waste time on these issues but we can trust them to try. On the other hand, the following exchange set the main agenda for both countries:

Zakaria--Is it possible for India and the United States to develop a strategic alliance?
Modi--My one-word answer is: yes.

Now all that is left to define for both countries is "strategic alliance".

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Sep 2014 08:37

This is going to be a huge mistake.There is no need to mollycoddle the US with VsOA.It will be misused and abused.See the ease with which a Lankan national has been operating in TN as an ISI agent. It will be very difficult for us to detect future Headleys.Reciprocity should be given only to those who offer us the same facilities,though I must say that getting a US long term visa is much easier these days.The same could be offered to US visitors/businessmen.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Sep 2014 08:42

I think it was Seattle, WA or was it?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 23 Sep 2014 08:45

Visitors' visa is also business visa for the US. Is it the same for India?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 23 Sep 2014 09:55

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140923/j ... 863336.jsp

Modi won’t even talk of Singh - US not happy to push Singh-Obama knowledge pact off agenda

New Delhi, Sept. 22: The nuclear deal will figure, as will prickly economic differences. But when Narendra Modi meets Barack Obama next Monday, the two leaders will pointedly skip talks on a pact that represents a slice of Manmohan Singh’s legacy in a relationship he risked his government over. And Calcutta University will be among the sufferers.

Indian and American diplomats are locked in a tussle just days ahead of Modi’s visit to the US over the future of the “Singh-Obama 21st Century Knowledge Initiative”, an agreement the US President and the former Prime Minister inked in 2009 to encourage and fund joint research.

New Delhi has told Washington it does not want the initiative — which has figured in every meeting between the chief executives of the two nations since 2009 — on the agenda when Modi meets Obama, senior officials involved with the Prime Minister’s visit have confirmed to The Telegraph.

The reason: the Modi government wants to overhaul the pact to rid its name of any reference to Singh, or kill the initiative altogether and replace it with a brand new bilateral agreement focused on skill development.

The US has grudgingly agreed not to bring the pact up in talks between Modi and Obama.

But it is unwilling to dump the initiative, a personal priority in bilateral ties for Obama, and state department officials are likely to want to use Modi’s trip to argue with other senior visiting Indian officials that the pact needs to continue.

...
“You cannot scrap a bilateral pact that has already committed significant funds to 16 top research institutions each in the US and in India and when you’ve already picked another eight each for this year. That’s what we’re trying to explain to our Indian friends,” a US official, aware of the discussions on the knowledge initiative, said. “And it will not be easy to explain changing the name.”

One suggestion negotiators from both countries considered was to drop the names of both Singh and Obama from the pact, leaving it simply as the “India-US 21st Century Knowledge Initiative”.

That formulation is okay, Indian officials said, if the US agrees to push the agreement to the background, and instead launch a new skills collaboration effort.

But the Obama administration is adamant that the knowledge initiative can’t be pushed to the backburner or killed, simply because of the change of government in India.

The spat has reached a stage where the Obama administration is contemplating unilaterally declaring the names of the 16 institutions picked under the initiative this year — a move that would represent a fait accompli for India.

habal · Post by **habal** » 23 Sep 2014 10:25

Philip wrote:This is going to be a huge mistake.There is no need to mollycoddle the US with VsOA.It will be misused and abused.See the ease with which a Lankan national has been operating in TN as an ISI agent. It will be very difficult for us to detect future Headleys.Reciprocity should be given only to those who offer us the same facilities,though I must say that getting a US long term visa is much easier these days.The same could be offered to US visitors/businessmen.

India is not Russia, which has to afraid of US. We have 2 Russia's after counting upto 1 billion.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 23 Sep 2014 10:50

Victor wrote:Zak mia's interview seemed like an advance big-picture feeler for the lazy folks in DC since all the USG big shots who have visited India so far have been focused on either commerce or defense. In that regard, it has given the Americans a good idea of where the relationship will go in the near future and what it will and will not ride on:

1) Regardless of what it says or does by itself, India will not say or do anything in concert with the US (and/or its Euro allies) against either Russia or China unless it has good reason to do so. And BTW, we know who is responsible for MH17 and Ukraine.

2) The biggest problem in the world today and for India in particular is terrorism (aka inhumanity, emanating from Muslim countries that America is friendly with like pakiland and saudia). Religious freedom, minority rights, violence against against women, ethnic cleansing etc are not items to be used against India under any circumstances or you will get egg on your face.

3) India does not want to be compared to anyone else or be like anyone else. It just wants to be "India", a unique, confident, rich and talented nation.

The Americans need not waste time on these issues but we can trust them to try. On the other hand, the following exchange set the main agenda for both countries:

Zakaria--Is it possible for India and the United States to develop a strategic alliance?
Modi--My one-word answer is: yes.

Now all that is left to define for both countries is "strategic alliance".

And define "possible."

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Sep 2014 10:53

Security wise we are weak than Russia sir. Number of people we have does not count for much. I am sure NM will consider all security implications before taking any decision on VOA.

habal · Post by **habal** » 23 Sep 2014 11:05

Security wise we were weakest in 71, yet what happened ?

7th fleet ne aa kar kya bigad liya ? SU even at their strongest were strategically circumspect compared to US. We pulled our weight alone, even then.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 23 Sep 2014 11:55

http://www.firstpost.com/world/groups-t ... 25913.html

Groups to stage anti-Modi protests against PM during his US visit

Several anti-Modi groups in the US will hold a series of protest rallies against Prime Minister Narendra Modi when he travels to New York and Washington this month.

The recently formed Alliance for Justice and Accountability (AJA) yesterday announced that it will show black flags to Modi when he heads to the Madison Square Garden in mid-town Manhattan in New York on 28 September.

The Sikh For Justice announced to convene a "Citizens' Court" to "indict" Modi at a park in front of the White House on 30 September, when the Prime Minister would be meeting US President Barack Obama at his Oval Office.

"The 'indictment' proceedings will be conducted in a replica court room set up in the President's Park right in the front of the White House. The 'charge sheet' issued by SFJ lists actions of Modi" during the 2002 Gujarat riots, a statement from the Sikh group said.

"Black Flags for visiting PM Modi," said the AJA in a flyer sent to its members on Monday.

AJA mostly comprises of Indian-American organizations and individuals who were part of Coalition Against Genocide (CAG), which had successfully campaigned against US visa to Modi, when he was the Gujarat Chief Minister.

"Alliance for Justice and Accountability is a coalition of individuals and organizations that are concerned about the rapid erosion of human rights and religious freedom in India," said Dr Shaikh Ubaid, a founding member of the Coalition Against Genocide, who is now instrumental in forming this new alliance.

"The Alliance has been formed in the wake of increasing violence and incendiary rhetoric against minorities led by organisations and parties aligned with the Sangh Parivar. Its initial objective is to use the high profile visit of Narendra Modi to draw attention to the threats to India's pluralism," Ubaid told PTI.

"Come join us as we stand in protest of Narendra Modi's visit and talk in New York City at Madison Square Garden on September 28th," the alliance said in a Facebook Post.

While AJA's angst is understandable given their stand on Modi why is SFJ so worked up?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Sep 2014 12:03

I think that the SJA are using it to highlight the 84 riots. As no justice has been done in case of that riots. So in effect by making a common cause with the AJA. They think that they can force the issue WRT the 84 riots.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 23 Sep 2014 12:06

No, more likely it is the Khalistani faction being propped up by padosi mulk. It makes no sense whatsoever to target Modi for 1984.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 23 Sep 2014 15:54

Not sure if this subject was ever discussed here. Far more disgusting than the whole Devyani Khobragade issue, was the Krittika Biswas affair from 2010-2011.

She was the 18 year old daughter of a diplomat. While studying in the US, she was arrested brutally on some really trumped up, paranoid accusation, then badly treated in the police precinct and prison. When she was soon cleared of the charges, the same people who demanded her arrest- the principal of her school, and one of her teachers( of Korean origin) never pressed charges or demanded the arrest of the real culprit, who by this time was identified.

She eventually filed a lawsuit for about 1 million, and recently settled for about 250,000. The matter appears to be closed.

Really, she should have demanded that 3 brutal, sickening slimeballs, the arresting NYPD officer Larry Granshaw from the 107 precinct, plus the arrogant pompous principal Howard Kwait and teacher Jamie Kim-Ross, should all do jail time, perhaps 5 years, and never work in their fields again.

The sequence of events makes revolting reading. Even more so than the Khobragade one, where at least a case can be made for unprincipled exploitation of domestic help.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 23 Sep 2014 16:09

Indian and American diplomats are locked in a tussle just days ahead of Modi’s visit to the US over the future of the “Singh-Obama 21st Century Knowledge Initiative”, an agreement the US President and the former Prime Minister inked in 2009 to encourage and fund joint research.

The US has grudgingly agreed not to bring the pact up in talks between Modi and Obama.

But it is unwilling to dump the initiative, a personal priority in bilateral ties for Obama, and state department officials are likely to want to use Modi’s trip to argue with other senior visiting Indian officials that the pact needs to continue.

Why are Goras dying to do joint "research" with Indian universities? Something is fishy. Looks like most of this joint "research" will be on human rights in Kashmir, oppression of Hindu women, Aryan invasion theory, dalit freedom movement, Hindu festivals as a threat to the environment, and the propensity of Indian men to rape women as evidenced by the Nirbhaya case in Delhi. This "research" is mainly to get Gora tentacles into Indian universities and train an army of young sepoys hostile to the idea of India. Approved sepoys will promptly get a two-year stint at US universities to sweeten the deal for writing atrocity literature about Hindus and India.

For a long time, Goras have been trying to dig their fangs into Indian universities. Modi should not allow this initiative steered by the Chief Sepoy MMS. Looks like Modi has already smelt a rat, and cleverly wants to refocus the progam around "skill development." But Goras only want "research" (presumably into Indian society and history) and nothing else. They don't give a rat's ass about teaching Indians any skill that can be useful to the Indian economy.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 23 Sep 2014 16:11

Don't hold your breath. Modi sarkar will be the same as MMS sarkar in this respect and will not even lodge an official protest beyond what may have already been done.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 23 Sep 2014 16:21

I don't know what all the this drama is about but don't expect any big deal out of this trip to Washington. It's just going to be a grip and grin photo op where they introduce themselves to each other. If anything hasn't been worked out before hand then nothing much will happen at DC at this time. Have to wait and see if Obama uses the "strategic ally" nonsense or not in his welcoming speech. That should give a clue if realpolitik is going to be the basis of the discussions.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Sep 2014 16:36

What burns me up is that the PM is on fast, and will not eat the $100,000-a-plate bean sprouts and vinegar that pass for "vegetarian" menu at Grand Gala American Banquets.

BTW, came in the e-pata about the extreme Security of India's Conslutate operations:

Cox and Kings, the outsourcerers for Indian visa/travel, is a British company. So EVERY and ALL personal ID data of yours and mine (even the exact location of the mole on ur rear side where the sun don't shine), and millions of Indian origin people, is ALREADY at her (***King) Majesty's service.

Re: The young lady in Noo Yoik, Ms, Biswas: I think it is the job of desi-AmirKhanis to publish all those names and their misdeeds as widely and permanently as possible. Thanks to the postor for starting that process: needs to be taken up.

No, GOI won't file any more protests. Diplomats have to move on. But the rest of us don't, and we haven't signed away our 1st Amendment rights. Why have New York desis not mounted at least a Petition to the White House, and one to the Governor of New York, to do the needful, for starters? At minimum, that gets the fact recorded, and then others will research and cite the facts from there, the official records will have to come out...

This is what is missing (usually) from desi culture: no persistence, no attention span. Let's fix that. The California Textbook Revision Scam turned from being all-out aggression by the 100 Indologists and Witzel, into a total disaster for them. The Khobragade affair turned from being all aggression by racist con-artists, to a total disaster for the SD and the genius Bharara. So will this... given dogged persistence.

Look at the SPLC for instance: what makes them so effective is that they never let go: they keep after the scumbags until they are destroyed and the Truth Triumphs.

habal · Post by **habal** » 23 Sep 2014 17:04

Amrika di koi aukaat nahin hain .. to teach anybody skill or to develop research or anything useful, most of them USA population is but a bunch of racist redneck hicks who are just jealous at anybody else's success or development, esp a non-white non-christian country. In their world-view and psychology this just isn't possible. It is due to the fatkat jewish oligarch and corporate lobby that controls the reigns of their economy have we seen divestment of manufacturing into China and outsourcing of IT development to INdia.

This lobby also wants to curb this racist redneck hick instinct and contribute to police forces and defence, since these are the only walls between them and this unwashed crowd of jealous twats. Neutralizing the native lobby also increases their hold on levers of power, and they do this relentlessly, 24X7 everyone against each other and his mother. So much so that most Asians who return from USA are far more racist and race-minded than even their worst casteist & chauvinist brother back home. So talking to Obama and talking to USA is just 'kisne kisko thullu banaya' kind of games. It basically amounts to nothing, since economic and military levers of US govt are in someone else's hands anyways, if they want to export/offshore/outsource they will do so anyways. Nothing that Obama or his father can do about it. Bas yeh sab time pass hain. BY nature they are instinctually against India, and the only foreign policy freedom USA govt has is in foreign policy with Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/, military logistics for current/future wars etc. We in India don't figure in any of those plans, so we do not have any direct engagement with USA govt on any significant issues. Our issues of engagement are mostly peripheral and time-pass. At best expect chai-biskoot and some big words, at worst they will strip someone at the airport or rape a diplomat. That is the only freedom they have with respect to setting policy with India.

This joint-resesarch with universities is a MMS and USA think tank brainwave to infiltrate Indian universities to create social turmoil and tahrir square conditions. This way the racist redneckians in USA can upset this oligarch applecart and introduce variables of social turmoil into countries and thus create space where the USA thugs can also be relevant create disorder. Varna toh the only freedom these guys have is to decide on how to assasinate Gaddafi and take a lot of glee out of it, how to make a good video out of it, how to create a good video of saddam statue falling in baghdad square, how to topple Mubarak or any other old furniture, how to foment trouble in Ukraine. Enable ISIS to create better and more convincing videos, as we speak they would be building up ISIS 2, 3, 4, 5 with imaginitive names to boot. Yahi hain USA di foreign policy.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Sep 2014 19:23

VaroonJi, we have discussed Krittika Biswas's case many times over, most recently, after the settlement. Just go back a few posts.

That said, I know you were just making a comparison, but please, in the case DK, while the issue of domestic servants, how they are treated, how little they are aid etc is very relevant, but please, the treatment meted out to DK, and the diplomatic spat between India & US, has nothing to do with that.

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KJo · Post by **KJo** » 23 Sep 2014 20:07

Ardeshir wrote:No, more likely it is the Khalistani faction being propped up by padosi mulk. It makes no sense whatsoever to target Modi for 1984.

I agree with this. Must be a Khali-stani group. There are many such gurudwaras in the US.