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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby SanjayC » 26 Sep 2014 07:22

ramana wrote:Somehow US commentators are in the mind set that reform means opening upto free movement of economy for US companies!!!
Essentially they want to be East India Company (EIC) without the burden of Empire.
The latter is for US taxpayer who elect doofus Presidents.


Look at the constant demands from other countries to "kick-start the strategic relationship":
Three steps India’s new prime minister, Narenda Modi, can take to help renew bilateral ties with the United States.


How about telling us the three steps US can take to improve bilateral ties?

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Postby Philip » 26 Sep 2014 07:25

Similarly, India could bring to the table important decisions to close on key projects subsumed by the Defense Trade and Technology Initiative or new solutions for overcoming the impasse over the nuclear liability law. India could show a renewed willingness to cooperate on salvaging the Doha round of global trade talks or advancing the common quest for mitigating climate change, or it could recommit to energetic liberalization at home in ways that open the door for greater American private participation in India’s economic growth.


Thus,we are to bow to Yanqui insistence on signing away our N-deterrent,join the cronies against China and open up the Indian economy so that western robber barons can run riot and pander to Pak's nefarious designs just as the US keeps on bailing out that failed terrorist state.perish the thought! As I said earlier,what difference is there between ISIS and the ISI? Just one letter! Both ungodlies are terrorist outfits and behead their victims like Indian soldiers.Did the US even make one tiny squeak when Indian soldiers were beheaded? What about the conspirators of 26/11? Still roaming like lords in Pak.Why have there been no drone strikes against them? Are they like Headley actually US agents?


This and other patronising advice about the strategic partnership show what the US really wants.A neo-colonial vassal state called India,which has replaced the Union Jack for the Stars and Stripes!

Mr Modi should be exceptionally wary about getting India sucked into the machinations of Uncle Sam.Unless we are treated as equals by the US,China,whoever,a polite but firmly uttered "no thank you" is required.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Sep 2014 07:38

Oh! Now that his Khalistani buddies have got the court order, Pleet Bhalala will have to go arrest and cavity-search Modi at Modi-saan Aangan.

I c it now: this whole Invitation from BO was to trick Modi into coming on to Yoo Ess Pleet Bhalala juris-d1ck-shun

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 07:44

SanjayC wrote:
ramana wrote:Somehow US commentators are in the mind set that reform means opening upto free movement of economy for US companies!!!
Essentially they want to be East India Company (EIC) without the burden of Empire.
The latter is for US taxpayer who elect doofus Presidents.


Look at the constant demands from other countries to "kick-start the strategic relationship":
Three steps India’s new prime minister, Narenda Modi, can take to help renew bilateral ties with the United States.


How about telling us the three steps US can take to improve bilateral ties?


One thing that stands out among the similarities between Bakis and Unkil is the sense of entitlement. Every little fly in Unkil-land is a policy eggspurt whose advice we SDREs should accept without question. Just like Bakis beg for Kashmir while parallely use terror and make it harder for Indians to look at Bakis in a positive light. Unkil advices us to "take steps" to make it easy for Unkil while making everything harder for Indians.

Unkil forgets the advice given by a famous Ayn Rand :- You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 07:55

^^^ I assume someone has to "serve" the summons to Shree Modi himself. Has that been done? Or is making this public a way to "serve" it without physically serving this to Shree Modiji?

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Shanmukh » 26 Sep 2014 08:00

It will be interesting if the US decides to apply Augusto Pinochet principle in this case.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/how-gene ... 2013-10-16

The Pinochet principle has been used for an ex-head of state. Maybe the US will go one step further and apply it to a current head of state.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Sep 2014 08:03

Isn't there a Statute of Limitations for civil actions anyway? What kind of cra* judge issued this? What if someone files a suit in Indian court against this judge and his boss BO for Insulting the Honor and Dignity and Sovirginity of India? HALLOO!! Bee Jay Pee ppl!

Given the exhaustive processes conducted by the Supreme Court of India, this is clearly a nonsense suit - but the US Judge claims it can make a judgement if any scammer files a suit before it, regardless of the merit of the suit.

How are they going to serve the notice?

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 08:07

Its a civil case. No question of arrest. However the case is against "citizen Modi", which means if he has a judgement against him by virtue of default and he does not "pay up" whatever fine the Honorable Judge pulls out of his Mush the case goes criminal.


So next time Modi lands in the US after becoming "ex-PM citizen Modi", he might be given the Pinochet treatment, unkil being unkil.

As far as the lawsuit goes, someone has to physically serve the notice to Modiji, otherwise it does not apply. i.e. someone has to violate protocol to do that and has to be an insider. If it succeeds one can be sure that the person who filed this is a See Ayeee Ehh/Faggy Battam agent.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Sep 2014 08:11

The statute of limitations in Virginia is like 3 years.Federal must be similar. So this is a nonsense decision by this judge: the suit should have been summarily dismissed. Just a nuisance publicity stunt. Counter is to declare the judge an outlaw in India and put out an InterPol Red Corner Notice.

Of course, responding is like giving legitimacy to this cra*.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 08:12

Funny thing is that they dug out a 1700s Law, which their Four Fathers themselves might be involved in making.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Sep 2014 08:14

Here you go: Federal Statute of Limitations is 5 years.

India should demand action against the incompetent Judge and his superiors.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 26 Sep 2014 08:33

But replying to the summons is like accepting the 100virginity of the khans. Not acceptable.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 08:35

My guess is it will quietly die down and get nixed. Modi is too sharp a man to fall into that trap.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Sep 2014 08:38

I wish just make a law like that in India which shall also cover members of the political parties like RP and DP of USA. If Obomber is killing pakis then some p**sant DP fellow should be arrested for conspiracy to kill pakis and ask pakis to come to India and prosecute the DP fellow. How I love this scenario. :D

Seriously NM is providing lot of mulla to NGO mullas everywhere. They are all very happy. Full employment with conferences in Bangkok :lol:

Seriously we need not give a damn about these fellows. Just them barks like dogs they are. Just ignore them.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 26 Sep 2014 08:40

LokeshC wrote:My guess is it will quietly die down and get nixed. Modi is too sharp a man to fall into that trap.


No it won't. The court case will not go away. The US will have to made to eat crow in this case. First DK now NaMo.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Anantha » 26 Sep 2014 08:41

http://online.wsj.com/articles/narendra-modi-an-invitation-to-make-in-india-1411687511

Excellent article in tomorrow's WSJ. The writer is one Mr. M. Narendra

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby member_22733 » 26 Sep 2014 08:46

Pratyush wrote:
LokeshC wrote:My guess is it will quietly die down and get nixed. Modi is too sharp a man to fall into that trap.


No it won't. The court case will not go away. The US will have to made to eat crow in this case. First DK now NaMo.


NaMo is a different beast than DK. One would think that Unkil knows whom to pick a fight with, but then...... who knows, unkil might prove that there is still waaaay lower to travel in the abyss that is Unkil's stupidity.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Shreeman » 26 Sep 2014 08:47

Service is trivial. You can do this on facebook. Not hard to find out if served.

Something is seriously wrong with the DoS and DoJ if they are coming up with this nonsense. The AJC folks wont even go to the toilet (the bakistan) if you didnt want additional rancor.

This part of the civil process is straightforward -- anyone can do it, you dont even need a lawyer really. The question is, why now? Anyone who thinks this is a transparent process, should apply to buy thge bridge I am selling.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Shreeman » 26 Sep 2014 08:53

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Money-making - because India won't dignify the court summons with a response, summary judgement in favor of the plaintiff will be made; and then they will try to collect the money by harassing Indian govt. employees.

PS: about a forbidden topic, ICAO codes for India start with VA, VE, VI and VO (see Wiki).
Also see the map here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... #Structure


No. A summary judgment is not automatic. This case only wants attention. It would have to be a truly dhimmy court to grant a summary judgment here. This summons means nothing -- its like an FIR.
AJC will have to find a process server and actually get the complaint served. This is not too hard to do, noit clear if it has been done.

The complaint has been filed, that is all this means. The court can and should throw this out.

By the way, Italy just siezed some Russian property in Rome. This malaise is spreading.
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby uddu » 26 Sep 2014 08:55

Let's best ignore this from the point of news and discussion. The main objective of the visit is about business and more business. Let's all make it a grand success.

Modi pitches credible India


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/modi ... 92702.html

That it is his biggest diplomatic test to date is evident from the punishing schedule: 35 engagements that include meetings with the top US political leadership, heads of Fortune 500 American firms, public speeches, receptions, memorial visits and bilateral meetings with the leaders of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal, among others. And perhaps a "chance encounter" with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. It is as if Modi does not want to return without winning back the US and influencing much of the rest of the world.

The US was India's largest trading partner with a 14 per cent share in total trade in 1998-99 but it has been downhill since. It steadily dropped to sub-8 per cent levels between 2009 and 2013 before marginally recovering to 8 per cent in 2013-14. On the other hand, China's share in India's trade jumped from 2 per cent to 9 per cent during the same period, ending in China becoming India's largest trading partner.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby uddu » 26 Sep 2014 08:57

I wish he address the U.S with a repetition of the famous quote "Sisters and Brothers of America" :)
The second Narendra in the U.S, more than hundred years after the visit of the first Narendra :)
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby gandharva » 26 Sep 2014 09:04

Guy who wrote this article appears to be regular visitor of BRF. :)

A Cheat Sheet for Obama on Modi’s US Visit

Conspiracy theories mention US support for the Nehru dynasty. Some believe it does so to keep India weak. Others believe this support may be based on the fact that Sonia Gandhi, the heir to the Nehru throne, is white. The reality is that the US is ignorant about India and the Ivy League elites who live in Washington’s echo chambers are more comfortable with courtiers of the Nehru dynasty who boast of an Oxford or Harvard education, purchased from the coffers they filled by robbing taxpayers. Rustic speakers of native languages such as Modi are too plebian and uncouth to engage with and are invariably ignored if not insulted.

http://www.fairobserver.com/region/nort ... -us-visit/

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby munna » 26 Sep 2014 09:06

Finally someone taking a swipe at Beltway Bol-bachans/Pundits from within US

A Cheat Sheet for Obama on Modi’s US Visit

Atul Singh and Manu Sharma writing for Fair Observer, Bay Area

Some nuggets

The US State Department and the White House completely misread the Indian elections earlier this year. They did not anticipate Modi’s victory and failed to rescind the visa ban the US government imposed on him. The American media, including The New York Times and Foreign Affairs, carried a one-sided vilification campaign against Modi. For a country that is fanatical about markets, it is strange that Uncle Sam supported a corrupt dynasty that imposed socialism on the country and allied with the Soviet Union for decades. Even Wharton, a leading business school, canceled its invitation to Modi.
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Too many Americans believe that Modi wants them to “rehabilitate” him or to make him “respectable.” This is delusional. Modi believes that if he is strong and powerful enough, the Americans will come around. So, whilst he will be unfailingly charming, Modi will focus on enhancing his “soft power” by reaching out to the Indian Diaspora through events such as his Madison Square Garden address. He calculates that if he wins the support of Indians in the US, then they will pressure their representatives in Washington to change tune on India.
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It is important for Obama to understand that India has its own tradition of political philosophy and ancient republics that go back to 6th century BC and beyond. Modi sees himself in that tradition and is jettisoning the Nehru model. Modi is arriving after casting Nehru’s beloved Soviet-inspired Planning Commission into the dustbin of history. This is a seismic change in the way India has functioned since its independence in 1947.
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Modi speaks in cadences that the US has not heard before. He acts very much like the CEO, driving projects and expecting deliverables. He is the most charismatic Indian leader in decades and will not kowtow to anyone, least of all any US leader. Yet, Modi is a pragmatist who believes in the ancient Indian philosopher Kautilya’s idea of quid pro quo in inter-state relations. If he wants to strike deals with India, Obama needs to give Modi offers that are too sweet to resist.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby saip » 26 Sep 2014 09:31

Anantha wrote:http://online.wsj.com/articles/narendra-modi-an-invitation-to-make-in-india-1411687511

Excellent article in tomorrow's WSJ. The writer is one Mr. M. Narendra


But you need subscription.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 26 Sep 2014 09:35

gandharva wrote:Guy who wrote this article appears to be regular visitor of BRF. :)

A Cheat Sheet for Obama on Modi’s US Visit

Conspiracy theories mention US support for the Nehru dynasty. Some believe it does so to keep India weak. Others believe this support may be based on the fact that Sonia Gandhi, the heir to the Nehru throne, is white. The reality is that the US is ignorant about India and the Ivy League elites who live in Washington’s echo chambers are more comfortable with courtiers of the Nehru dynasty who boast of an Oxford or Harvard education, purchased from the coffers they filled by robbing taxpayers. Rustic speakers of native languages such as Modi are too plebian and uncouth to engage with and are invariably ignored if not insulted.
http://www.fairobserver.com/region/nort ... -us-visit/

Atul has his own ideas and own style.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Sep 2014 09:37

Very good post Gandharvaji. The writer seems to know more about the failing of US ideas on India and Indian leadership. But I think there are some missed points- The cold warriors in Pentagon and faggy bottom are all anti Indian by instinct and can not change. Kurry and Heengul are even Joe badmouth are all said to be in the same group as per the reports here in India. So I do not see anyone in Obomber administration doing much positive for India.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby putnanja » 26 Sep 2014 09:41

saip wrote:
Anantha wrote:http://online.wsj.com/articles/narendra-modi-an-invitation-to-make-in-india-1411687511

Excellent article in tomorrow's WSJ. The writer is one Mr. M. Narendra


But you need subscription.


WSJ has an agreement with Google. Search for the article in google.com using the title of article, then click it in search results to access it fully, no need of subscription

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Shreeman » 26 Sep 2014 10:14

guggal link -- wsj make in india

the writer appears to be a certain mr. modi.
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 26 Sep 2014 10:14

Shreeman wrote:
No. A summary judgment is not automatic. This case only wants attention. It would have to be a truly dhimmy court to grant a summary judgment here. This summons means nothing -- its like an FIR.
AJC will have to find a process server and actually get the complaint served. This is not too hard to do, noit clear if it has been done.

The complaint has been filed, that is all this means. The court can and should throw this out.

By the way, Italy just siezed some Russian property in Rome. This malaise is spreading.


I recall some reports a month or so ago, which pointed to a plan by the ISI, using the non state actors to create hurdles in the visit from NaMo.

This action fits the bill.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2014 10:36

Let the US admin handle it .. the court summons or whatever .. after all he is their invited guest. Depending on how it is handled by the US system he can decide not to go to the US in the future. He would have already made his point to his US detractors and held a sort of victory rally right at the heart of their domain (for the want of a better word).

In any case, he is unlikely to visit US within the next 2-3 years. If he has sorted out the mess in India by then and put India on the path to growth and glory he will have a stronger hand to play. He can always point to this mischief and demand all US-India agreement that require his presence be done in India. Perhaps he can even demand all agreements big or small be done in his presence. I would prefer to see US officials and businessmen making a beeline to India for all things big or small. Hey that will even allow us to apply our own version of visa denial, court summons, finger printing at the airport, cavity search, etc. Of course a lot of this seems farfetched at this moment but a determined Modi along with a rising economy can possibly pull this off.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Arjun » 26 Sep 2014 10:48

pankajs wrote:In any case, he is unlikely to visit US within the next 2-3 years.

You overlook that the UN is in NY - so there may be other reasons to visit.

If the US legal system is as lax as this summons implies - that could well be the trigger for moving the UN HQ to a better location.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 26 Sep 2014 10:51

Suraj wrote:

There's a new Swedish-American commentator there now, hmm :)


With an outstanding comment at that, with typical bluntness and clarity.

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Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2014 10:56

Does an Indian PM adress the UNGA every year? I think not but I may be wrong. UNGA event to me is just a get together. Send our Foreign Minister or Lok Sabha speaker, both women BTW. Misfortunately there is no recognized leader of opposition.

On the other hand if the UN wants to have Modi at events like climate change summit he can insist it be held outside US or it go ahead without his presence. Any agreement that others think needs to have India on board will give him that leverage.

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Postby chaanakya » 26 Sep 2014 11:08

NaMo is going to UNGA and US is obliged to issue Diplomatic Visa. Hence there is no question of US granting him Visa which was denied earlier nor is there any question of NaMo applying for one in his personal capacity.

The other activities, though getting primetime, are of secondary importance except those of meeting with Indian Diaspora at MoDiSan Garden and occupying the seat which was left vacant on earlier occasion. For us everything , which NaMo does , is important but then meeting with Ombaba and his ilks ( though not dining with them) are not the official reason for his visit to US. NaMo would have, even otherwise, visited UNGA as representative of the Republic of India.

of course, when he is going there he would do best to get the most bang out of the bucks India is spending on this visit in true Gujju spirit.

The summons can not be served upon him during this visit personally. Though it may be served through Indian embassy and Consulate. Means zilch. Seem to me fairly routine and issued by some clerk. It does not even describe the cause which led to the complaint.Publicity stunt.

We might serve summons on Ombaba and also file case against some of the Anti India senators/Guv/Judges etc for saying or doing something against India, like conniving with terrorist elements of Pakistan or ISI or some human rights violations against Indians or violations of human rights in prisons.That should get more publicity .

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Postby chaanakya » 26 Sep 2014 11:14

The General Assembly shall meet every year in regular session commencing on the Tuesday of the third week in September, counting from the first week that contains at least one working day.

Closing date

Rule 2
[see introduction, paras. 7 and 14; see also annex IV, para. 4]

On the recommendation of the General Committee, the General Assembly shall, at the beginning of each session, fix a closing date for the session.

Place of meeting

Rule 3

The General Assembly shall meet at the Headquarters of the United Nations unless convened elsewhere in pursuance of a decision taken at a previous session or at the request of a majority of the Members of the United Nations

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Postby Shreeman » 26 Sep 2014 11:41

Gents,

I can post the same exact document (from other cases) imaged above by the dozen. Means nothing. Dont feed the trolls like Barry. Ignore, and enjoy the next week by only reading the governmand (you casn use official us governmand reports if you like) reports about the visity. Screw the TOIlets and NYTs.
Save your sanity.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Sep 2014 12:12

This is dogs barking at Elephant - in this case Lion. That is all. US admin will not bother about such things now. Of course the Brown Sepoys in SD must be behind it. They all will be in deep despair due to their utter failure of "get modi" mission and Ex-Queen of SD and her husband are are dining with NM. Pantsuit is aiming for 2016 elections and may wish to have Indian US money bags in her side. Her husband was financed by China people when he ran. All round fun.

As some one earlier wrote - NM is now probing the reactions of major nations of the world, just like Ashvamedha Yagna. The horse going to kingdoms at its will (or by divine will) and the rulers of the respective kingdoms have to declare if they are ready to pay homage or capture the horse and fight.

I remember what is said about the fight two years of NM rule as CM during which he was just listening to babus and not even asking questions. Once he has grip of the things they all the people were listening to him. It is almost happening with his PM job also.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby chaanakya » 26 Sep 2014 15:48

Rule 3 for sessions of UNGA can be convenient to request General Assembly Sessions be held in Rio, Moscow, Delhi, Beijing, Johannesburg (BRICS) etc by agreed rotation or in capital of G20 countries. US can not have the only privilege to hold session at NYC forever.


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