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Postby vivek.rao » 03 Oct 2014 01:29

Agnimitra wrote:J&K
Separatist Basharat Pir made head of NYTimes India blog

Just like Raheel Khurshid with Twitter India...


All the anti-Indian,EJs,traitors,MAFIA Queen and even Twitter all were working so closely with one another in a coordinated fashion to take control of India.

Was this co-ordinated or is it the visceral hatred of these people to Hindus civilization makes them select people with visceral hatred automatically

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Postby vivek.rao » 03 Oct 2014 01:40

TSJones wrote:
svinayak wrote:
There is geopolitical reasons for India to participate.
PRC wants to cooperate with ISRO. PRC will change its policy going forward with India with ISRO achieving successfully.

ISRO wil cooperating with all the 3 major powers in the world. This is unique.


you guys can team with the Chinese all ya want, but kindly don't allow them to copy anything we jointly develop. Those guys will steal you blind if they can. serious beans. Space X won't even patent any of their ideas and processes. Elon Musk says why give the Chinese a play book?


Join development with China is like Sybase working with Microsoft on database and IBM working with Microsoft on OS/2.

Cisco and several others did their development in China and now they are all doomed.

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Postby KJo » 03 Oct 2014 01:46

vivek.rao wrote:
Join development with China is like Sybase working with Microsoft on database and IBM working with Microsoft on OS/2.

Cisco and several others did their development in China and now they are all doomed.


My previous company had a big dev center in China since the CTO was a cheeni and now several Cheeni employees have left and started their own thing with a product that looks just like what we had. :eek:

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Postby Vayutuvan » 03 Oct 2014 01:54

pankajs wrote:At this stage we have very little to go on. Going by the above reports, India seems to have broken from the past practices. While the US will use every forum and all methods to push its case a strong India can certainly push back.

pankajs: Good points but I will take issue with the last part though. India's hand would be even stronger had she developed some of these technologies in the interim. Still we need to wake up and spend money on technology development in all areas not just in areas that are of immediate relevance. This is the exact reason why the US is in such a mess wrt oil.

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Postby Agnimitra » 03 Oct 2014 02:27

NYT shut down not just its India blogs but most of its blogs for some reason...

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Postby CRamS » 03 Oct 2014 04:03

chaanakya wrote:^^He is script writer (co) of filum Haider.


I just saw the review of this movie

http://www.hindustantimes.com/audio-new ... 71071.aspx

True to form, its Indian army bashing, and the reviewer even says, the movie goes beyond "TSP bashing". When was the last time there was a Bollywood movie "bashing TSP" in the first place?

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Postby Anantha » 03 Oct 2014 07:28

There is a song in that movie Haider called Bismil. The song is pictured in Martand Surya temple, the same temple that Sikandar butshikan destroyed and it took one year to destroy the grand temple. In the main temple has a devil like figure deliberately put for the song. Also dancers wearing shoes dancing in the temple premises. The producer of the movie Vishal Bharadwaj was one of those who wrote an open letter not to vote for Modi, and also signed the mercy petition for Ajmal Kasab. One could imagine his other activities behind the scenes.
The censor chief is one anti Hindu Leela Samson. She is being accused now by Rajiv malhotra for usurping Bhartnatyam for Jesus. Not to forget censor board was taking bribes to clear movies.

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Postby chaanakya » 03 Oct 2014 10:47

vivek.rao wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:J&K
Separatist Basharat Pir made head of NYTimes India blog

Just like Raheel Khurshid with Twitter India...


All the anti-Indian,EJs,traitors,MAFIA Queen and even Twitter all were working so closely with one another in a coordinated fashion to take control of India.

Was this co-ordinated or is it the visceral hatred of these people to Hindus civilization makes them select people with visceral hatred automatically

Filums are one great way for halwa channel for money proviion and laundering for anti national elements besides projecting subtle or not so subtle anti India messages to masses in general. No wonder they flock together.Find out how much was channeled to separatists from this fillum.

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Postby CRamS » 03 Oct 2014 16:32

Makes my blood boil at this scum bag Vishal whatever

http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertain ... 71010.aspx


Bhardwaj and Kashmiri journalist Basharat Peer co-wrote the film's screenplay and they must be praised for their courage to speak strongly about what is happening in Kashmir. Haider goes beyond Bollywood's Pakistan bashing for Kashmir's troubles and speaks about the alleged atrocities of the Indian Army on Kashmiris. Haider jokes about 'chutzpah'--pronounced as 'chootspaa' in the movie--and equates it to AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Powers Act, the security law which gives armed forces immunity from prosecution while operating in the militancy-hit areas but has been criticised by human rights groups).


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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Oct 2014 17:40

With all respect, these seem to be better fits for the NamakHaraam dhaga, hain? None of these is Yoo Ess polijy towards India, it is all privileged Indian termites, residents of the top floor of Skyrscraper India going and digging under their own building foundation to win points from foreigners by stabbing those protecting the building.

Proper response may be 'blogs' listing these in detail, so that they cannot erase the memory of their NamakHaraami. Very effective, I tell you. For instance, instead of sitting around with bubbles forming in the blood (VERY bad for health I assure u) how tough is it to make the same happen to the Deserving by posting a blog with another Review of the same movie, making sure to mention the buggers' names enough times for that to come at the top of any Web search under their names? You will be amazed at ur own effectiveness (come back and look after a few weeks) and this has wonderful and lasting therapeutic effects.
Or post a blog/webpage saying ABOUT XXXYYZZ. As a Fan Club.

For example, try typing
Emory Limp Phallus Courtright
on a Search Engine.
or
Witzel Indology Researchers

or
Angana Chatterji CIIS

:mrgreen:

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Postby Manny » 04 Oct 2014 06:09

Pretty decent article

Modi's US Trip All Optics and Pageantry? Incorrect

http://www.ndtv.com/article/opinion/mod ... ect-600921

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Postby Vivasvat » 04 Oct 2014 06:11

Cross posted from Modi Sarkar thread.

A Strategic partnership: Modi in the U.S.
Their joint statement, as well as a co-authored op-ed in the Washington Post by Obama and Modi, was a powerful statement of 'strategic and global partnership'. As the Stimson Center's Joshua White noted, India's previous Congress-led Government 'believed much of this, but wouldn't have said it' out of sensitivity to real and perceived domestic political anti-Americanism.

Moreover, four security-related items stand out.

1. Commitment to counter-terrorism against a very specific set of Pakistan-linked groups, including – as India has long demanded – those, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and D-Company, both of which are of particular concern to Delhi.

2. US acknowledgement that India is ready for membership in key missile and nuclear export control groups (the Missile Technology Control Regime and Nuclear Suppliers Group), something that would represent the latest stage in its gradual entry into parts of the non-proliferation regime – of obvious interest to Australia as it debates its recent civil nuclear agreement with India.

3. New areas of defence cooperation, including a US commitment to work with India's future National Defence University, an expansion of military-military partnerships, and 'enhancing exchanges of civilian and military intelligence'. Much anticipated joint weapons development didn't quite make the cut, although this seems to remain on the table awaiting Indian approval.

4. Although China went unmentioned, the South China Sea did not, a first for US-India statements. More importantly, an implicit parallel was drawn between the US pivot ('rebalancing') to Asia and India's own engagement with East and Southeast Asian nations, something that, however mild, constitutes one of the strongest indications of Indian support for the US policy (see the suitably petulant reply from the People's Daily). The leaders also agreed to upgrade the US-India MALABAR naval exercises and explore 'technology partnerships' for the Indian Navy, perhaps a very oblique allusion to earlier hints of joint shipbuilding.

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Postby Shreeman » 04 Oct 2014 07:30

ramana -- fyi, the real recovery is now getting started unless thge nov. elections derail things.

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Postby arun » 04 Oct 2014 09:42

US mum on joint military ops against Pakistani terror groups:

IANS via Business Standard

More details on this and other matters dealing with our Prime Ministers visit to the US from an US perspective available here:

A Read Out of Indian Prime Minister Modi's Recent Visit to the United States

Extract:

QUESTION: Yeah, sorry. Ashish Sen with the Tribune. Could you elaborate a little bit on what the collaboration between India and the U.S. in dismantling and disrupting Pakistan-based terrorist groups is going to look like? What sort of coordination, what would that coordination look like?

And also, specifically on the financial networks, while the PM was in Washington there was an announcement about asset freezes of groups that are based in Pakistan. How effective have these asset freezes been, considering a lot of these leaders don’t have assets in the U.S.?


ASSISTANT SECRETARY BISWAL: First of all, with respect to counterterrorism cooperation, we have a strong and growing collaboration between the United States and India on counterterrorism, on sharing information and intelligence and capabilities, to essentially advance our shared objectives of security. Terrorism is a threat to the region. It is a threat to the United States, to our people and our institutions around the world. And so we have sought to have a robust relationship on counterterrorism with India, with Pakistan, with all the countries of the region. And we will continue to look for ways to expand and extend that cooperation bilaterally with each of those countries as well as looking for opportunities where we see collaboration in joint arenas as well.

With respect to groups that emanate in the region versus more global threats, I think we have had longstanding discussions with all the countries of the region on that, and we will continue to engage very, very proactively on those issues. And I think we are also looking to see that regional groups and global threats – there’s not a far distance between working together to address one versus working together to address the larger, broader global set of challenges. And I think that that’s where the conversation is, is how we link up these efforts that are ongoing.

QUESTION: Would that involve – sorry, just to follow up. Would that involve military cooperation, I mean coordination on drone strikes? I’m trying to understand how you –

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BISWAL: No --

QUESTION: -- dismantle terror groups when you’re not (inaudible).

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BISWAL: Well, those are not – those are not conversations that I’m going to get into here, but we’re certainly talking about all of the different actions that we’re taking ourselves through U.S. strikes in – against ISIL, for example. And we’re also open to our conversations with all of our partners in the region about what role they want to play and how they can be helpful in those efforts.

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Postby UlanBatori » 04 Oct 2014 16:17

I mean coordination on drone strikes? I’m trying to understand how you –

ASSISTANT SECRETARY BISWAL: No --


O what a relief! I was getting seriously concerned that my bunker makaan-e-musharraf in LaHore was going to get a little 'hot'.

Imagine the reaction on the Islamagood Pepto-Bismol Stock Exchange if she hadn't rushed in with that 'NO' 8)

That was a clear trap question.

The point to note is that US cannot coordinate with Indian drone strikes by these violent Indian yindoo nashunalists. As u know, the USA is a Nation of Biss. The USA has NO military drones, and there are NO drone attacks. There are only 'suspected drones' which make 'suspected drone attacks'. The 'C' in 'CIA' stands for 'CIVILIAN'. 'CULTURED'. Certainly no one has ever accused the CIA of being 'CO-ORDINATED' :roll:

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Postby vivek.rao » 04 Oct 2014 18:25

Did anyone see WSJ article on Hongkong?

Looks like its communism vs church. The churches are co- ordinating the whole anger against china. This is how these forces are incubated and left to destabilize nations.

I wish we learn lessons from this.

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Postby Pingale » 04 Oct 2014 18:37

Another gem!! I don't understand where we going wrong in raising such idiots with no self-respect, utter contempt towards their motherland and their culture. Every sentence in this article is loaded and biased against Hinduism/symbols of Hinduism. Wearing saffron jacket, respecting Ganga, praising Swami Vivekananda makes you anti-minority and a Hindu nationalist.

I wonder if WaPo would have the guts to publish an article that criticizes symbols of Christianity routinely displayed by US Presidents.

Only solace are the comments below this article. She is getting bashed left and right!

Narendra Modi was speaking in code when he visited America. Here’s what he was really saying to his Hindu nationalist base

By Meera Nair October 3 at 10:30 AM
Meera Nair, who teaches writing at New York University, is the author of "Video," a short-story collection.

Narendra Modi’s first official visit to the United States, which ended on Sept. 30 was quite a spectacle. There was a campaign-style appearance before 18,000 adoring fans at New York’s Madison Square Garden. Jumbotrons in Times Square broadcast an extravaganza that featured Bollywood dancing, convention-style balloon-drops, and a receiving line of dozens of U.S. congressmen. Modi was working hard, it seemed, to introduce himself favorably to Americans and the Indian expatriates who live among them.

But he wasn’t just speaking to the people on this continent. In fact, the symbolism and rhetoric of this trip were carefully calibrated toward his Hindu nationalist base at home (and here, too). This was old-fashioned dog-whistle politics, and it was a master class. The message: I may nod to tolerance and openness, but I’m really still with you.

For starters, take the jacket Modi wore on stage in New York. It was in a color that his personal tailor, Bipin Chauhan, has called a “silent” variation of saffron. The color is a favorite of Modi’s. Many of his iconic calf-length shirts, now rebranded as #ModiKurtas (yes, they have a hash tag), and other accessories sport some shade of saffron. In India, saffron has deep connotations for Hindus, symbolizing sacred fire, sacrifice, asceticism and a quest for light and salvation. But the color has also been co-opted by Hindu fundamentalists. The armed Hindu mobs that roamed Gujarat in the 2002 riots that led to the death of over 1,000 people, three-quarters of them Muslim, wore saffron. Modi was Gujarat’s chief minister at the time. While evidence exists of state complicity in the riots, he personally has not been found guilty. Still, given the loaded iconography surrounding the color, Modi’s style choices seem awfully brazen.



In his speech on Sunday, the prime minister evoked yet another symbol of India — the river Ganges. In asking for help from affluent Indian Americans in the audience to clean up the polluted river, he referred to the river as Maa Ganga or Mother Ganga, an honorific routinely used by Hindus who revere the river as a Goddess and believe its water is holy. He exhorted the audience to watch a film that is a paean to Hindu rituals associated with the river. His reclamation project has been named NamamiGange; Namami is a term borrowed from Sanskrit prayers and means “obeisance.” Namami Gange translates as, “We bow to you, Ganga” — a sentiment that the hundreds of millions of Indians who depend on the arterial river may not share. In contrast, former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi’s cleanup mission was simply called the Ganga Action Plan.

Modi also made sure his audience at Madison Square Garden knew that he was fasting for Navrathri, a Hindu religious festival. At two meals organized in his honor by the White House, Modi sipped warm water — a gesture of ascetic renunciation that was widely publicized.

Even the joint op-ed penned by President Obama and Modi in The Washington Post had problems. It doffed its hat to Swami Vivekananda, whose advocacy of a more socially engaged, more “masculine” form of Hinduism that stands chest to chest with other religions, has been appropriated by Hindu fundamentalist groups like the reactionary Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and its political offshoot, Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party. Modi has in the past positioned himself as a leader in the mold of Vivekananda — even going so far to hang posters of the teacher as a backdrop for his public appearances.

The fact that the leader of a self-professed secular democracy associates himself overtly and unabashedly with the symbols of India’s majority religion should suggest that America needs to tread carefully or risk being seen as endorsing a Hindu-centric re-branding of India, a country with 176 million Muslims, some 20 million Sikhs, and many other minorities. Yes, Modi mentioned Sikhs once in his speech, and he drew attention to the Muslims who were grouped prominently near the stage, but the predominance of exclusively Hindu symbols and language in the rest of his rhetoric made these references feel like token gestures.

By themselves, wearing saffron or gifting Bhagavad Gitas to Obama could be dismissed as aesthetic or lyrical flourishes from a master politician. But taken as a whole, it is hard not to see these actions as an attempt to assert India’s Hindu-ness on the world stage — at the expense of its minority faiths.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/10/03/narendra-modi-was-speaking-in-code-when-he-visited-america-heres-what-he-was-really-saying-to-his-hindu-nationalist-base/

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Postby Gus » 04 Oct 2014 18:40

this is actually code for "he's a hindoo fundamentalist..can't you guys see it..come one..he's a hindoo"

what we are seeing is indian version of what fox type media does to obama.

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Postby shiv » 04 Oct 2014 19:00

CRamS wrote:Makes my blood boil at this scum bag Vishal whatever

http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertain ... 71010.aspx


Bhardwaj and Kashmiri journalist Basharat Peer co-wrote the film's screenplay and they must be praised for their courage to speak strongly about what is happening in Kashmir. Haider goes beyond Bollywood's Pakistan bashing for Kashmir's troubles and speaks about the alleged atrocities of the Indian Army on Kashmiris. Haider jokes about 'chutzpah'--pronounced as 'chootspaa' in the movie--and equates it to AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Powers Act, the security law which gives armed forces immunity from prosecution while operating in the militancy-hit areas but has been criticised by human rights groups).



I want to go see this movie -- because (as per the trailer) the reason why the good Kashmiri (doctor?) father is arrested by the Indian Army in the story is connected with the fact that his wife, and the mother of the hero (Tabu) is in a relationship with the uncle of the hero. Sounds interesting..the "informer" leading to the arrest in the story may be a guy with more of a hard on rather than hard information :D

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Postby CRamS » 04 Oct 2014 19:03

deleted. Wrong thread (see TSP thread)
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Postby CRamS » 04 Oct 2014 19:06

DoCji, also read in HT that the movie is not getting a pass in TSP because of some "controversial" scenes. Anyone know what scenes are offensive to TSP. From the reviews, I thought the whole movie was India bashing, Indian army blood thirsty monsters slaughtering the oh so poor Gandian Barshat Peers seeking "self determination" from big baad India?

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Postby CRamS » 04 Oct 2014 19:25

PingaleJi, that article says more about WP and its elite readers than it does about a self-loathing twit like Mira Nair. I mean what is f#$*ing wrong with celebrating what the majority holds as sacred and dear? So US presidents are bigots when the extol the virtues of a slave owner like Thomas Jefferson who is worshiped like a demi God?

The piece of crap brings out the solid truth about Indian secularist perverts and their western backers: The very sight of someone asserting their Hindu identity is "communal", a standard expected from no other democracy.


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Postby CRamS » 04 Oct 2014 19:53

svinayak wrote:http://sacredcows.typepad.com/weblog/2014/10/an-open-letter-to-all-you-abcd-modi-maniacs-out-there.html

ANother one


So we should all pay obeisance to her enlightened self righteousness and bow our heads in utter awe and respect at her astonishing, self-less unparalleled achievement


She broke both American and Indian taboos when she married an Englishman, who arrived at their wedding on an elephant.


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Postby shiv » 04 Oct 2014 20:11

CRamS wrote:DoCji, also read in HT that the movie is not getting a pass in TSP because of some "controversial" scenes. Anyone know what scenes are offensive to TSP. From the reviews, I thought the whole movie was India bashing, Indian army blood thirsty monsters slaughtering the oh so poor Gandian Barshat Peers seeking "self determination" from big baad India?

In general such movies don't get too far past the censor. These movies are designed to make money from a swathe of territory that would have been the Caliphs dream - from North Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, across central Asia and India. The music and the style of dancing are designed to titillate populations right across the Islamic world. Google for the song 'Bismil" and watch it. Central Asian/Russian dance theme. Nowadays I am hearing a lot of sightly off-note Arabic nuances in songs which appeals to that crowd. But the content is often soft pjorn as well has Hindu names and Indian themes.

I don't think Bollywood has the guts to make huge anti-establishment political statements. Only literate Hindoos like UR Ananthamurthy and Girish Karnad do that. Theaters would get burnt down apart from the movies not making their money. Of course a nation in which movie theaters get burnt down because of irritating movies would come under severe criticism from the nation that you live in under the excuse of "lack of liberalism, hindoo fundamentalism, no rule of law" etc and that would cause as mush heartburn for observers. But the fact is we have an up and running nation here that is stampeding its way through the world. At best we can help guide it - but it will do its thing, no matter what we think - and its not going to simply roll over and take it in the butt either from the Muslim world or the western world. They will both bend to some weird Indian pressure.

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Postby csaurabh » 04 Oct 2014 20:32

Bollywood 'hindi' and hindi songs are way too urdu-ized. One could even just call them urdu ( atleast 80% of them ). I mean how many people understand all these arabic and farsi and turkish and whatnot words. I see no reason to have so much of it.

Folk songs/ rural dialect songs / other Indian language songs are not that way. Obviously there is a pressure group acting in the interest of making it that way. Then when you look at all the hawala and D company and the underworld, the connection should be obvious.

NaMo speaks highly sanskritized hindi ( totally unlike Bollywood ) rather than English. This is a message to the Islamic world as well as to the West.

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Postby shiv » 04 Oct 2014 21:06

csaurabh wrote:Bollywood 'hindi' and hindi songs are way too urdu-ized. One could even just call them urdu ( atleast 80% of them ). I mean how many people understand all these arabic and farsi and turkish and whatnot words. I see no reason to have so much of it.

Folk songs/ rural dialect songs / other Indian language songs are not that way. Obviously there is a pressure group acting in the interest of making it that way. Then when you look at all the hawala and D company and the underworld, the connection should be obvious.

NaMo speaks highly sanskritized hindi ( totally unlike Bollywood ) rather than English. This is a message to the Islamic world as well as to the West.

I think half the population of India - especially the older people have been taught and brought up on Urduised Hindi. The Sanskritised Hindi is more recent - maybe people in their 30s or younger have learnt the Sanskritised version. The Urduized Hindi still has a huge market and I don't think it is designed to be anti-national. Every Indian grows up learning and loving old Bollywood songs - and some real classics that are pure Urduized Hindi or Urdu. People who demand the use of Sanskrtized Hindi will be caught with their chaddis down if they sing or like the old classics - so this should not be made into yet another Hindoo self goal, doing a Paki "reject the hated other" mirror image in India. This is the kind of rejection that makes pakis claim the Taj Mahal. They will now claim old Hindi songs as part of their heritage. Urdu is more Indian than Pakistani. Persian was modified by Hindustani speaking troops and elevated to the level of a court language. Persian itself - before Arabization was a descendant of Sanskrit. Sanskrit and Persian have a lot of cognate words and that is what helped create the Urdu amalgam IMO.

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Postby svinayak » 04 Oct 2014 21:31

Coming back to topic

Indians Join Wave of Home Buyers in U.S. Says New York Times

In an echo of the late 1980s, foreign investment in US, real estate has taken off with foreign buyers now making up 7 percent of total existing-home sales of $1.2 trillion, the Times said citing a survey from the National Association of Realtors.
Of those, Indians represent 6 percent of the purchases, spending $5.8 billion, up from $3.9 billion over the same period a year ago and on par with buyers from Britain.
Buyers from five countries account for over half of international home sales, with those from India ranked third, paying a median of $343,000.
Canada still accounts for the largest share of buyers, but China is the fastest-growing source of clients, according to the realtors' group.
"Buyers from India include parents living in India who buy apartments for students attending college, making sure the units have concierge service and an extra bedroom so they can visit for extended periods," said several real estate agents cited by the Times.
After the students leave college, the parents often keep the apartment and rent it out.
Irene Barnaby, a broker with Weichert Realtors in Jersey City, was quoted as saying her Indian clients generally spent about $600,000 to $800,000 on condos.
Indian real estate agents are also getting in on the action with many recruiting brokers in the US to help clients overcome tax issues and red tape that otherwise would apply to foreign investors, the Times said.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 04 Oct 2014 21:59

Where are they getting the dollah from? Or some sellers would accept INR payments especially those PIOs who want to R2I? RNIs buying from NRIAH (NRIs at heart).

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 04 Oct 2014 22:17

CRamS wrote:PingaleJi, that article says more about WP and its elite readers than it does about a self-loathing twit like Mira Nair.

The piece of crap brings out the solid truth about Indian secularist perverts and their western backers: The very sight of someone asserting their Hindu identity is "communal", a standard expected from no other democracy.


It's really perverted and repulsive. Someone should ask these twits, what's wrong with the minorities accepting and identifying with the Hindu/Dharmic characters and symbolism, particularly since that character and symbolism does not aggressively exclude their own images and symbols. While the reverse is almost always not true!

Mira Nair and the other writer you referenced should also be informed that in mainstream US media, Hindu imagery, ideas, festivals et al are barely covered or acknowledged, there are far more references to Islamic and Christian festivals, holidays, ideas, ethos etc. American police shows like "Blue Bloods", "Criminal Minds" and "Hawaii Five-0" never drop references to Hindu images of the divine or Hindu festivals like Janmashtami. There appears to be an innate bias against such references, and the Indian secular elite would like Indian leaders to imbibe that behaviour!

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 04 Oct 2014 22:24

svinayak wrote:http://sacredcows.typepad.com/weblog/2014/10/an-open-letter-to-all-you-abcd-modi-maniacs-out-there.html

ANother one


I have responded. She doesn't bother to compare the US' and UK's own history of non-acknowledgement of religious/theological pluralism, with India's. It's all attack India and Modi. Also, how can she mention Kashmir, where she was born, without at least pondering over the irony of her censure of non-pluralism among Indians, and the extremely fanatical anti-pluralism of the Kashmiri separatists?

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Oct 2014 22:46

svinayak wrote:http://sacredcows.typepad.com/weblog/2014/10/an-open-letter-to-all-you-abcd-modi-maniacs-out-there.html

ANother one


The very name in the blog, "Sacred Cows", is a mockery of Hindus. "Sacred cow" refers to a custom or tradition that is deemed unreasonable (by whom)?

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 04 Oct 2014 23:51

Varoon ShekharJi,

As I pisko analyzed these punks before, let me re-iterate what motivates them. Just one glimpse at US media, US govt & its policies, its intellectuals, its Hollywood, you name it, you will notice that the very core is white Christian nationalist. I cannot articulate this as brilliantly as does the intellectual supremo Rajiv MalhotraJi. This is what makes US a self confident and proud nation. (I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge that US does tolerate "the other", legally speaking for sure, and particularly so when "the other" is useful to its interests, both at home and abroad).

Now, here comes the problem. The domestic "liberal" space is taken up by several elitist whites who have carved a niche for themselves. They can throw an odd ball at white Christian conservative nationalism, yet be nationalist themesleves and can be part of "us". As LokeshCJi pointed out before, the trick they use for example is to mildly rebuke a racist cop for executing a poor black kid, is that such an act is "un American", and in the same breath they will praise the cop for "protecting us". In contrast, the white nationalists will say that the cop did the right thing by shooting the "criminal b@stard" and did so in self defense.

On other hand, the self-loathing Mira Nairs who want to be part of "us" (and that other Hindu-bashing silly little chic who thinks she is "us" because she sleeps with an Englishman: http://sacredcows.typepad.com/about.html), if they dare talk about white Christian nationalism in their midst, they will be banished into oblivion. Can you imagine the tizzy Bill O'Rielly and his nauseating guests like Miller will get into should WP publish an op-ed by the likes of Mira Nair should they so meticulously point out the subtle but racist overtones among republicans? Firstly, WP will not for sure, and if they did, WP will be committing suicide, and the offending Mira Nairs will be confined to some dungeon in NJ eking out a living, not tenure-ship at some prestigious university like NYU. So for the self-loathing suave, shudh English speaking Indian (I forgot "South Asian" ) ducklings like her, bashing SDRE Hindus is their way of saying we are part of "us".

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby svinayak » 05 Oct 2014 00:27

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2162 ... oatinghigh

Our favorite friends
They are writing as if they are an Indian newspaper and readers know all the parts of India

The BJP’s main political challenge is to appeal beyond its old strongholds in the west and north. In mid-September it did badly in state by-elections triggered by members of state assemblies who had won national parliamentary seats. Three factors explain the poor showing. Voters forced back to the polls usually blame the incumbents; Mr Modi did not campaign; and in Uttar Pradesh, where it lost seven of 11 seats, the BJP blundered by putting a Hindu nationalist thug, Yogi Adityanath, in charge. His crude efforts to stir up antagonism between Hindus and Muslims mercifully flopped.

Remarkably, the BJP even fancies its chances in Jammu and Kashmir, though an election there may be delayed because of devastating September floods in Srinagar, the summer capital. Meanwhile, the BJP looks especially strong in the Jammu region. It will draw support from both Hindus and Buddhists in the state.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 05 Oct 2014 01:17

A_Gupta wrote:
svinayak wrote:http://sacredcows.typepad.com/weblog/2014/10/an-open-letter-to-all-you-abcd-modi-maniacs-out-there.html

ANother one


The very name in the blog, "Sacred Cows", is a mockery of Hindus. "Sacred cow" refers to a custom or tradition that is deemed unreasonable (by whom)?


Let us not forget "ABCD". She also says that there are lot of trolling comments. Her motto seems to be "troll first and if people react call them trolls". Same playbook as Mr. Rejdeep Sardesai. Moreover she did not even do her basic homework. My guess is that most people at MSG rally are first gen NRIs/PIOs. Some naturalized US citizens and some may be on a PR or H1/H4 and only a few American born PIOs.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 05 Oct 2014 01:26

From Ms. Anu Anand Hall's biographical skecth

She broke both American and Indian taboos when she married an Englishman, who arrived at their wedding on an elephant.


Under what rock is she living? It is nto a taboo anymore and had been broken by many many people before her when it was indeed a taboo. Looks like that is not a "biographical sketch" but the entire biography and breaking that taboo is her crowning achievement in life. She broke some taboo - so what? It is not as if the entire world is impressed. Thew world would take note if she goes to Syria for ISIS. That would be something.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Raja Bose » 05 Oct 2014 01:55

Why are folks here getting so much heartburn discussing these turds Anand and Nair?? When you see a turd steaming on the roadside in the summer, do you typically spend so much effort dissecting its aroma, texture and taste? Or do you sidestep it, hold your nose and go on your way?

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby Gus » 05 Oct 2014 02:05

well..sometimes we see a new one..and we wonder what type of backside can produce that...

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby James B » 05 Oct 2014 02:17

Raja Bose wrote:Why are folks here getting so much heartburn discussing these turds Anand and Nair?? When you see a turd steaming on the roadside in the summer, do you typically spend so much effort dissecting its aroma, texture and taste? Or do you sidestep it, hold your nose and go on your way?


Thanks for pointing out. I think too many turds are being given air/oxygen to spread their foul smell. Every 2 bit journalists blog or obscure article is given unnecessary exposure on BRF & making their stuff relevant. Ignore them & make them irrelevant. Learn from Modisan how he ignores MSM.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 05 Oct 2014 02:28

Raja BoseJi,

with all due respect, if WP were something you could sidestep as noise, I would agree with you. But reality is that WP, where Nair published her filth, is a premier newspaper of a supreme super power. What gets published there is read far and wide. So bravado aside, somebody needs to respond to her trash. BR may not make much of an impact, but somebody, at least in an Indian newspaper ought to rebut her. Ideally, I would like to see someone like Rajiv Malohtra be given some space, but there is no chance he will be given any such consideration. It is not in US interests to do so, and hence WP will comply voluntarily.


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