India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Jan 2015 05:36

Meanwhile .. what's up with SOS..Even for Nishan-e-Pakistan Kerry this is strange...W

- Was he invited to witness? Did he go?
Pakistan executes seven militants during Kerry's visit

-- Does he really want to be seen with this kind of support for France...?

or this:

Does he really think having Boston Creme Donut will make him look cool?
https://twitter.com/JohnKerry/status/55 ... 05/photo/1

Finally "working boundary" Really? these kind of blunders make many you look very bad.

And next time, make sure that "LeT" is explicitly mentioned EVERY TIME (do NOT replace it with "and "OTHER"), and add INDIA EVERY time explicitly (instead of "the region") when you speak in any press conference..

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Jan 2015 09:47

^^
This support to Hebdo attackers look overblown. I got from other forum that there were only 20 odd people. I dont trust them with numbers but in all pictures surfaced so far I can count a max of 10 faces. But I like the "value" it has created though..

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Jan 2015 09:49

Amnesty asks Obama to take up Bhopal gas tragedy case with Modi Govt

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 Jan 2015 20:21

Altair wrote:^^
This support to Hebdo attackers look overblown. I got from other forum that there were only 20 odd people. I dont trust them with numbers but in all pictures surfaced so far I can count a max of 10 faces. But I like the "value" it has created though..

It is not just the number though. The fact that there was such a rally and it was given front page coverage by most Pakistan's English dailies reflects the mentality of the average Pakistani.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 00:41

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/13/dow ... outh-asia/

So it is not only the terrorist-loving mofos in the US state dept. that are delusional wankers -- the rest of the crowd in Washington DC seems to be equally delusions set of oiseaules. Apparently, after handing over 250 million $ to the paki terrorist army, these mofos in the US still think they can be a "negotiating partner" between India and Pakistan. US citizens deserve better than these sh!theads in the US state dept. and Georgetown types running their foreign affairs.

For all of these reasons, Secretary Kerry should seek ways to reduce the chances of a future Indo-Pakistani crisis and to restore U.S. credibility as a negotiating partner in the event that one unfolds.

But at least, they are getting the part about Indian govt. not trusting the US on pakistan right.

Because of the failure of the United States to live up to its past promises to force a real Pakistani crackdown on terrorists personally responsible for attacks on Indian soil (much less to eliminate these groups outright), Indian leaders are less likely to trust U.S. officials the next time terrorists strike, and more likely to resort to unilateral military moves of their own. That increases the potential for cross-border violence maybe even including nuclear war.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jan 2015 01:22

Twin actions of not attending the Paris rally and rewarding $250M to TSP gives a strong message as to where US priorities are and who are the real supporters of terrorists.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 15 Jan 2015 02:08

^^ Tweeted that: https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/5 ... 8286068736

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jan 2015 02:13

Good. And retweeted....

saip · Post by **saip** » 15 Jan 2015 03:43

For whatever it is worth, US judge dismissed the tort case against Modi

00:25 US judge dismisses suit against PM Modi over 2002 riots:
Reuters reports: Prime Minister Narendra Modi will not have to face a US lawsuit claiming he failed to stop anti-Muslim rioting in 2002, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.

US District Judge Analisa Torres in New York said the US Department of State had determined that Modi is entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government from civil lawsuits filed in US courts.

The lawsuit, filed in September on the eve of Modi's maiden visit to the United States by a little-known human rights group, made international headlines at the time, though officials from both countries brushed it off as a distraction.

Link

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Jan 2015 03:56

Good one. RTed.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 Jan 2015 04:07

Agnimitra wrote:^^ Tweeted that: https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/5 ... 8286068736

should also include @ombaba

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 05:15

This is the actually the view of a "scholarly academic" a$$wipe in the US -- these mofos are deliberately feeding the Saudis just like they are feeding pakistan -- read the whole thing and put yourself in the shoes of one of the terrorist-loving wankers of the US state dept (difficult, I know), and their actions towards the saudis makes sense.

http://csis.org/files/publication/Alter ... apter6.pdf

reveals how the US works with the saudis to preserve the saudi royals -- and are fine with the Islamic state targeting other countries in the regions -- truly a bunch of evil scumbags made for each other, the US state dept and the Saudi Royals.

There is no question that the Saudis would eventually be able
to beat back the challenge, especially with the aid of their allies; Saudis have already partnered with the United States for
airstrikes against the Islamic State to curtail its ability to wage
an insurgency inside the Kingdom. But should the Islamic State
invade, it would not have to get far to cause a political upheaval
in the Kingdom. Two other comparable events of this kind—the
seizure of the Grand Mosque by salafi apocalyptists and Sad
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dam’s invasion of Kuwait—led to severe legitimacy crises for
the regime because they challenged its competency to protect
the holy places in the Hijaz. With the Saudi government keeping
such a tight lid on domestic Islamist political pressure, an out-
side attack by an extremist Sunni group would cause a dramatic
explosion with far-reaching consequences. Such an attack could
be exacerbated by jihadi-salafists inside the Kingdom who are
waiting for a propitious time to strike.

Hopefully, the IS guys will be able to get into Saudi Arabia and topple the royals and sit on a mountain of money, and then turn on those who have been breastfeeding this monster for decades. Maybe then the cretins in the US state dept. will see the light, but don't be too sure -- one thing for certain, the americans residing in the Aramco campus will all be one of the top targets of these IS terrorists.

No wonder all these aholes in the "west" are so welcoming of King Abdullah walking in solidarity with Hebdo and the Freedom of Expression...irony just slit its own throat and threw itself off a cliff.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 05:19

Meanwhile, other "scholarly" wankers in the US trying some psy ops on the chinese on the ill effects of a nukular sooth asia flashpoint on the China's agriculture. Obviously all the data in the articles was extracted with great care from the sphincters of the authors using the time-tested rectal-data-extraction method using a "simulator" (awesome stuff these simulators, they can provide exactly the results you are looking for any time).

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced ... 4EF000283/

Using a crop simulation model forced by three global climate model simulations, we investigate the impacts on agricultural production in China, the largest grain producer in the world. In the first year after the regional nuclear war, a cooler, drier, and darker environment would reduce annual rice production by 30 Mt (29%), maize production by 36 Mt (20%), and wheat production by 23 Mt (53%). With different agriculture managements – no irrigation, auto irrigation, 200 kg/ha nitrogen fertilizer and 10 days delayed planting date, simulated national crop productions reduce 16-26% for rice, 9-20% for maize and 32-43% for wheat during five years after the nuclear war event.

The academic wanker from Georgetown University in DC, one Joshua White who referred to this article, is one of the authors of the letter that was sent to the US president to "help pakistan get rid of religious extremism".

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Jan 2015 05:44

SaiK wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:^^ Tweeted that: https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/5 ... 8286068736
should also include @ombaba

Did you in your RT?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 06:42

US Judge Dismisses Suit Against India PM Modi Over 2002 Riots

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 15 Jan 2015 06:56

Amber G. wrote:US Judge Dismisses Suit Against India PM Modi Over 2002 Riots

Note that the case was dismissed not because it had no factual or logical basis, but due to the fact that NM enjoys diplomatic immunity as a head of the state. A deliberate attempt to leave the door open for future use.

And the Americans blame the Pakis for being Taqiyaholics...

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 06:59

upheld the U.S. Department of State's determination that Modi is entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government from civil lawsuits filed in U.S. courts.

Typical US SD vacuous BS masquerading as news -- the US SD mofos must think the rest of world is all clueless like they are. That modi is entitled to immunity was never in question, regardless of what this judge proclaimed today. It still means that he can be arrested if he tries to visit the USA when he no longer has diplomatic immunity.

added later: kashi already said this, but it bears repeating to all the US lovers out hea

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 07:32

Kashiji and others - I think you are needlessly upset. This is how the courts in US and India work.. It is their way to put ultimate insult to the plaintiff.

The Judge is simply dismissing the case outright.... "It is outside his/her jurisdiction" she actually says right in the beginning of her ruling.. . (simply because if nothing else the immunity is SUFFICIENT to through the case out).

This is the biggest insult, the judge can through to the scums who pulled the stunt.
Actually the judge would have become laughing stalk in India if she even tried to find "the basis" etc..she has NO jurisdiction, case closed.

At least in this case, the villain are the scums who took advantage of US courts and brought this suit. American Justice system, SD (or Obama), and GOI (and Modi) are not the villain.

Hope this helps.

***

Now if any one wants to teach those scums ( "human rights lawyers") a lesson, bring a massive law suit in US (for defamation, if nothing else).. or in India .. (I am sure one can find some law broken). I hope it happens. (For example what prevents Indians to bring a criminal case(s) over some of these stunts,,as discussed before by Ulanbatori and others).

***

Now if you really want to know how ridiculous it may become some times,.. some thing to read. from "International Daily Mail" by Christina Palmer & Anjali Sharma..

Kerry snubbed Modi over Mulla Fazalulla patronage

(BTW, reading blogosphere, it seems that many Pakis are actually saying "... goods news finally the truth comes out in the open".. and others are ready to curse Kerry/Modi/GOI/US...

(BTW this Ahmed Qureshi guy really gets around..)

Cheers.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 07:48

There is nothing noteworthy in a judge dismissing a case that would have violated norms of diplomatic immunity if the judge let the case go to trial, so the judge just stated the obvious and did his job. The question is why the VOA thinks this news is even worth reporting, as if it is even newsworthy. All possible reasons are associated with the impending visit and the hope that boneheads in India start reporting this as some major development...won't be surprised if that happens.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 15 Jan 2015 07:50

Amber G. wrote:Kashiji and others - I think you are needlessly upset. This is how the courts in US and India works. It is their way to put ultimate insult to the plaintiff.

The Judge is simply dismissing the case outright.... "It is outside his/her jurisdiction" she actually says right in the beginning of her ruling.. . (simply because if nothing else the immunity is SUFFICIENT to through the case out).

This is the biggest insult, the judge can through to the scums who pulled the stunt.
Actually the judge would have become laughing stalk in India if she even tried to find "the basis" etc..she has NO jurisdiction, case closed.

I am not upset, far from it. I find the hilarious stupidity of the entire process quite amusing in fact.

This is what the report says

U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres upheld the U.S. Department of State's determination that Modi is entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government from civil lawsuits filed in U.S. courts.

That's a key distinction. The case was dismissed not because it was baseless or without merit as per the "learned" judge. It was dismissed because US DoS determined that as the Head of State, Modi was immune from US legal process.

They did not say that this was beyond US jurisdiction since it concerned a sovereign country, where US laws DO NOT supersede local laws and the legal system of that sovereign nation had acquitted Modi of all charges and as such there was no prima facie case against Modi in the first place.

What's left unsaid but very much implied is
a. US laws have jurisdiction worldwide and US govt. and courts do not care about the outcomes of legal proceedings anywhere else if it differs from their interpretations and views.
b. In the view of the US govt. agencies and the legal system, there are sufficient grounds to prosecute Narendra Modi in US of A, never mind if they have been found baseless and of no legal standing in India.
c. If in future Narendra Modi no longer enjoys diplomatic immunity as a head of state and should he visit USofA (dependent on getting a visa), the legal system is free to prosecute him as per their interpretation of events that happened elsewhere.
d. Should Narendra Modi not visit USofA in absence of diplomatic immunity as the head of state, US courts and "justice" system may even call for his extradition on these "charges"

Now if any one wants to teach those scums ( "human rights lawyers") bring a massive law suit in US (for defamation, if nothing else).. or in India .. (I am sure one can find some law broken). I hope it happens. (For example what prevents Indians to bring a criminal case(s) over some of these stunts,,as discussed before by Ulanbatori and others)

Nothing stops anyone from doing so and that's a topic for another discussion. Perhaps you could take the lead and file a few cases yourself.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 08:16

Read the three page order, even from press reports...for example random one from google says:

A US judge on Wednesday dismissed a lawsuit against Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi .....

New York judge Analisa Torres threw out the suit on the grounds that Modi is not under her court's jurisdiction[ after the US government argued he was entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government.

As said before, I don't think, at least in this case, there is nefarious in the order or write up.. In fact, if the judge tried to add anything, or give an iota of attention to waste her time to read the complaint .. it would have been very improper and counter-productive. ..

HTH

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 08:29

From what I understand logic.. there is a difference between "OR" and "EXCLUSIVE OR"

That's a key distinction. The case was dismissed not because it was baseless or without merit as per the "learned" judge. It was dismissed because US DoS determined that as the Head of State, Modi was immune from US legal process.

If Judge reasons and rules, that the case be dismissed (because of immunity or whatever).. it means it is dismissed... it can be (and is) base less, or without merit in addition. (Judge is NOT saying that the case has any merit etc..)

This is key part in logic/law. One only has to find ONE (solid) reason to dismiss the case. It does not mean that there are no other reasons.

For example a person is convicted as a murderer , it does not mean he is NOT a liar, even if court does not say it explicitly.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 15 Jan 2015 08:42

Amber G. wrote: New York judge Analisa Torres threw out the suit on the grounds that Modi is not under her court's jurisdiction after the US government argued he was entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government.[

The judge determined that Narendra Modi was not under her court's jurisdiction AFTER the US government argued he was entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government.

From all available reports this is the key message. Lack of jurisdiction is not because
A. He's a citizen of a sovereign country which,
B. Has it's own well established legal system, which has absolved him of all charges and dismissed all allegations against him and,
C. Where US laws have no jurisdiction.

I have not been able to find the full court order so if a link is available, please share it with me. But from, all the available reports, the judge is VERY CATEGORICAL that her court has no jurisdiction over Narendra Modi because he was entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government..

In other words, if Narendra Modi WAS NOT "entitled to immunity as a sitting head of government", the suite would have been taken up for deliberation and jurisdiction.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 15 Jan 2015 08:58

Yeah right, Kerry snubbed Modi, his team grilled Modi while Indians were left pleading

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Jan 2015 09:30

The merits of the case are to be decided after the decision if the case will go to trial. In this case since the trial did not happen in this case to begin with. The merits of the case don't enter into equation.

The major issue that I have regardless of the merits or the lack thereof. Some idiot still thinks that the Indian justice system is not competent enough to deal with such cases and that its judgements can be challenged in some or the other country.

The point of the Indian judiciaries competence is OT to this thread.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Jan 2015 09:53

Raja Bose wrote:Yeah right, Kerry snubbed Modi, his team grilled Modi while Indians were left pleading

Does NM will allow them to lecture us when LET is doing all peaceful things here in India? Some one has lot of dreams

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 15 Jan 2015 10:01

Not sure where to post this : http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/man ... 1Z.twitter . Article talks about what MMS did to destroy our Nuclear industry to help the Americans.

Article is written by Madhav Nalapat

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Jan 2015 13:26

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/-USA-Has-Discriminated-Against-Indians-/293090

Aneesh Bhanot, spokesperson for the Indian victims on board Pan Am Flight No. 73, is the brother of Neerja Bhanot, the flight purser on the flight who was possibly the only Indian to be honoured by the governments of India, Pakistan and the United States.

What prompted you to approach the Punjab & Haryana High Court in 2014, almost 28 years after the Pan Am Flight 73 was stormed ?

The origins of going to the Punjab & Haryana High Court was in events which happened in 2008— just about 6 years ago. It was in 2008 that America discriminated against Indians and abandoned us, which was the reason to go to court for justice.

In 2008, Libya gave 1.5 billion dollars to USA to compensate victims of various terrorism incidents sponsored by it. There were two terrorist incidents involving Pan Am planes— in 1988 (Pan Am Flight 103, Lockerbie) and 1986 (Pan Am Flight 73, Karachi). While USA paid passengers of ALL nationalities in PA103, it decided to compensate ONLY the around 40 American passengers on the plane in case of PA73 and told the other 300 plus passengers (a large part of whom were Indians) to ‘go to their own governments and ask them to talk to Libya.’

The Ministry of Civil Aviation, Govt. of India investigated the case and on September 5, 2014 stated that the stand taken by USA “is totally unjustified and smacks of rank discrimination...To expect Govt. of India to negotiate for Indian passengers with Government of Libya in such cases is unreasonable and unjustified as the flight involved was a US carrier."

Is there any evidence to suggest that the seven Indian passengers killed in Pan Am 103 were compensated ?

Yes, indeed, in the case of PA103 victims of ALL nationalities were compensated. Here are the facts: There were totally 270 victims: 243 passengers (178 American), 16 crew (11 American) and 11 persons on the ground at Lockerbie. All, except 2 families were compensated. The 2 who did not choose to join a Settlement were the Cohens from New Jersey (who refused the money but wanted Gaddafi thrown in prison) and a woman from Florida, who did a private law suit and settlement with Libya for her husband’s death.

Is that the only ground on the basis of which you accuse the US of discriminating against Indians ?

Not at all. Our case of discrimination against Indians is based on facts of the incident itself.

All the passengers on Pan Am 73 were on an American flagship plane and hence, technically, on American soil. The attack was against America and American assets and was sponsored by Libya in retaliation for US warplanes bombing Tripoli a few months prior to the hijack. We Indians were unwittingly caught in this mayhem for no fault of our country or us.

The lives of most of the American passengers on board were saved by the Indian cabin crew by hiding their passports from the hijackers who wanted to segregate the Americans and probably kill them like they did a passenger who identified himself as an American when the hijack started.

When the bullets were flying in the aircraft and the hand grenades were exploding, there was no question of which nationality a person was when the bullets and shrapnel hit them. Then why the discrimination of nationality when Libya gave the money to compensate the victims of various terrorism incidents which had been sponsored by it?

Since you claim that the US disbursed the monetary compensation provided by Libya to the victims of both Pan Am 73 and Pan Am 103, there never was any liability on the US taxpayer. Why then would the US deny compensation to just 20 people killed in Karachi compared to 270 killed over Lockerbie ?

I fully agree with you. This is a question which defies all logic and reasonable explanation.

When USA is asked this question, their standard reply is that they cannot espouse the case of other nationalities. On Lockerbie (PA103) their response is that there was a ‘settlement’ between the victims and Libya and they simply followed that settlement and hence compensated victims of all nationalities. However, this is not true as the ‘settlement’ had long expired before 2008 and hence there was NO legal ‘settlement ‘in place when USA compensated the Lockerbie victims in 2008 from the Libyan money. Yet, USA compensated them. Defies all logic.

Then again, in the Khobragade case, Devyani was an Indian national and so was Sangeeta Richard, yet the USA intervened saying that Sangeeta was on American soil and hence they could espouse her case even though she was not an US citizen. However, even the PA73 victims were on American soil (an American plane) when the horrific hijack happened. Again, defies all logic on how USA can treat this case differently.

Or, let’s take a look at 9/11. Even in this case, victims of all nationalities who perished in the heinous attacks were compensated by the Americans because they were on American soil and the attack was against America. How is PA73 different? Defies all logic again.

What has been the attitude of the Indian authorities ? What have they advised ?

The Indian authorities have been very responsive and helpful and have been advising me regularly on the steps to be taken to ensure that all Indians get justice. In fact, going to Court was on the sound advice of a senior official of the External Affairs Ministry. The Ministry of Civil Aviation and the Union Home Ministry have been equally helpful. Most of the officers in these ministries are appalled at the way we Indians have been treated.

Are you hopeful of getting an audience with President Obama ?

I sent a request on December 19 by email to the US Embassy in New Delhi for this and also requested the External Affairs Ministry for help. A reminder to the American Embassy has been sent on January 4. And, yes, I do think and hope that we will get an audience with President Obama. After all, all that we want to do is present our case to him.

I must add that whenever we talk to any American citizen on the facts of our case—how Indians saved the lives of the Americans, how the hijack was against America, how the Indians were butchered in the final hour and how we were discriminated against from the Libyan compensation money— they get horrified and embarrassed at how their country has responded and behaved so far. Generally, Americans are fair-minded people who understand and appreciate the value of human life. President Obama is well-known to have the principles and values of a true American.

It seems the US honoured your sister's bravery only in 2005-06. You had flown to the US to receive the awards. What explains the delay ?

The Pan Am 73 hijack really came into focus in the USA only in 2004 when the trial and sentencing of the lead hijacker, Safirani, took place in Washington. (He had been caught by the FBI after he was released by Pakistan in 2002 after serving a life sentence there). When the details of the case came out and the US citizens heard the testimony of a large number of victims, predominantly Indian, who had come for the sentencing, there were tremendous emotional scenes seen in the Courthouse.

It was the US Department of Justice which then moved ahead to recognize the heroism and humanity shown by Neerja and others. In 2005, the Washington DC District Attorney presented awards to Neerja and all the Pan Am cabin crew (all Indians) and some passengers for their ‘Fight for Justice’. The next year, in 2006, one of America’s highest honours ‘The Special Courage Award’ was given by the US Department of Justice to Neerja and the other cabin crew members. Both these functions were held in Washington DC and I attended both of them on behalf of Neerja.

What else do you think the Indian Government should do?

The fact of the matter is that USA has discriminated against Indians and abandoned us in the Pan Am airline case. Yet, even today, there are American airlines (Delta, American Airlines, United, US Air etc.) operating from/through India.

We Indians are spending our hard earned money on buying tickets in India on these airlines to travel to USA, UK, Europe, Canada etc. We are adding to their profits. But, God forbid, if a similar incident happens today, would these airlines discriminate against us and abandon us again?

We feel that the Indian Government should ask these airlines to clarify what their processes and procedures are today, and should take a re-look at their licenses if no satisfactory reply is forthcoming from them. This would be in the interest of all Indians and should be done immediately.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Jan 2015 13:35

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/Homecoming-To-Hot-Water/293067

Dec 2014 Verma asked about compensation to Pan Am 73 victims at his Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. He denied US made any discrimination. Victims of Pan Am 73 have accused Verma of being economical with the facts and have sought an appointment with President Obama during his visit to India later this month

As assistant secretary of state in 2010, Verma had handled the disbursal of compensation to victims of both terrorist attacks. Relatives of victims allege that Verma had not entirely played fair in the matter. “I’m sorry but Verma actually lied at the Senate hearing for his confirmation,” ("Rite(Right?) of passage" for SDREs in Dupleecity.)says Aneesh Bhanot, Neerja’s brother and spokesperson for the Indian victims on board Pan Am Flight No. 73.

Bhanot recounts that after enabling the pilots’ escape, Neerja had taken charge of the passengers, handing them pages of instructions on how to open emergency exits and chutes, torn from manuals and hidden inside periodicals. Keeping up a pleasant demeanour, she hid the passports of US citizens, whom the terrorists had wanted to pick out. She died shielding three children from bullets.

The Cincinnati Enquirer had published a first-person account of Shekhar Mitra, a passenger. He said the terrorists’ target was Americans. “Their leader passed by our seat several times, pointing his guns and saying, ‘Are you American citizens? Do you have American passports?’” said Mitra. But Neerja had hidden the US passports. “I still can’t believe she did that,” said Mitra. “If they had found out, they’d have killed her immediately.” He says the terrorists were infuriated that she kept smiling and accused her of carrying on secret communication with the passengers—which in fact she was.

Mitra recounted the moment the lights went out. “The first reaction to the darkness was a terrorist exploding a pair of grenades. Then a machine gun strafed us.” As Mitra ran to an exit, Neerja, her uniform blood-soaked from a stomach wound, stopped him. “I was going to jump but she said it was a wing exit: it would be too long a fall. She directed me to the rear exit and I got out.” Later, he saw a man carrying Neerja in his arms. A few hours later, she was dead, two days short of her 23rd birthday.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Jan 2015 21:08

So Basically these US SD mofos including this pr!ck is going to the US ambassador to India next, think they have jurisdiction of acts committed on Indian territory and can prosecute Indian citizens who have been found not guilty in Indian courts for such acts by the Indian supreme court, like the current PM, but they are not responsible for even sharing the proceeds of reparations that is rightfully owed Indias who may have sacrificed their lives for americans. What a humanitarian bunch of gaandus in the USA. Thoo. #$%%$s. And please stop jumping to the defence of the scumbags like Richard Verma.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 15 Jan 2015 22:06

by Kashi
Note that the case was dismissed not because it had no factual or logical basis, but due to the fact that NM enjoys diplomatic immunity as a head of the state. A deliberate attempt to leave the door open for future use.

In USA anybody can file a civil law suit against anybody sitting any where on this universe. All they have to do is
1. Fill up the application.
2. File the lawsuit with some court fees.
3. Judge listens and does whatever.

The dork Desi journos have no friggin clue about this! Making too much of that's worth ZILCH.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 22:50

mraghu wrote:Not sure where to post this : http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/man ... 1Z.twitter . Article talks about what MMS did to destroy our Nuclear industry to help the Americans.

Article is written by Madhav Nalapat

Mraaghuji - I looked at the article. Madhav Nalapat's (who also regularly writes in rags like Pakistani Observer), as usual has written another silly piece.. which can be compared with its silliness to the above mentioned

Kerry snubbed Modi over Mulla Fazalulla patronage

Quoting " key scientists" (which he does not name) the author is inviting comments like "HE[an Indian PM] DESERVES TO BE HANGED FOR TREASON AND THAT WILL SERVE AS A LESSON FOR OTHERS TOO." (The above is one of a typical comment) and nothing else..

The absolute trash is nothing but another piece which trashes Indian PM with Ad Hominem attacks with zero basis... Be it NaMo or MMS or any past leader, there are always some "intellectuals" like Pankaj Mishra types, who will through dirt, make up any tale/ CT, in the hope that some will fall for it.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 15 Jan 2015 23:25

Madhav Nalapat comes regularly on NewsX Channel as an expert on many things....Probably too many far fetched theories

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 15 Jan 2015 23:27

SBajwa wrote:
by Kashi
Note that the case was dismissed not because it had no factual or logical basis, but due to the fact that NM enjoys diplomatic immunity as a head of the state. A deliberate attempt to leave the door open for future use.
In USA anybody can file a civil law suit against anybody sitting any where on this universe. All they have to do is
1. Fill up the application.
2. File the lawsuit with some court fees.
3. Judge listens and does whatever.

The dork Desi journos have no friggin clue about this! Making too much of that's worth ZILCH.

To add,

The clowns who filed the suit, had slim to none chance in the court (even according to what they told in an interview) even if NaMo was not PM. The stunt was to get publicity and embarrass, India (and US among others), hoping that some news papers will publish the story..MSM's (and DDM's obliged and unfortunately many others also fell for it, thinking it is a big deal.

Perhaps some may not know the background ..

1. The suit/stunt was brought NOT by US (or Obama, or SD, or MMS, or NaMo, or NRI's or IIT's or pick your own villain

) but by AJC clown.
2. The suit was thrown out.
Reading anything more -- or seeing CT's, motives, etc where there are none is counter-productive.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jan 2015 00:00

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 897472.cms
US eyes India drone, C-130 project deals for Obama trip

WASHINGTON: The United States aims to secure agreements with India to start pilot projects for joint production of drones as well as equipment for transport planes in talks next week ahead of a visit by President Barack Obama, a US industry source said on Wednesday.
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An industry source familiar with US-India discussions on the defense initiative said Kendall aimed to finalize two pilot projects, one involving unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and the other involving systems for the C-130 military transport aircraft built by Lockheed Martin Corp.

The source said the drone project involved the RQ-11 "Raven" built by AeroVironment Inc, a small US firm. Raven is the world's most widely used unmanned aircraft, a lightweight plane that can be used manually, or for autonomous operations.
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The transport plane project involves manufacturing of roll-on, roll-off modules that allow C-130s to be used for surveillance, and as VIP transports or hospitals, according to the industry source, who did not want to be named due to the sensitivity of the discussions.

US and Indian officials have declined to comment publicly on the systems under discussion, but the industry source said the aim was to announce the pilot projects during Obama's planned visit to India to attend the country's Jan. 26 Republic Day, which is marked by a big military parade.

Lockheed declined comment on any specific co-production agreement, but a spokesman said teams from five Indian universities were participating in a design challenge to develop C-130 modules for use in disaster relief around the world.

India has received five C-130Js built by Lockheed, and six more planes are on order through 2017, parts of which will be built in India.
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On the US side, meanwhile, there have been concerns about India's demand for the right to manufacture components rather than whole systems, which could put them in competition with US manufacturers.

saip · Post by **saip** » 16 Jan 2015 00:42

Why do we need Raven? It is too small. We need something that can carry weapons like Hellfire missiles.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jan 2015 00:50

Eventually it is to pave the way to provide drones to TSP.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 16 Jan 2015 01:18

saip wrote:Why do we need Raven? It is too small. We need something that can carry weapons like Hellfire missiles.

I think it is because it can be built in numbers in India (low cost high volume). The other stuff such as HALE and Triton are small numbers and high cost--it probably does not make sense to open a line in India for them but the subsystems are possible just like in the C130Js. BTW, I'm really pleased they are involving Indian Universities. It is consistent with transforming DRDO into DARPA

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Jan 2015 01:19

This time it happens to a US company patent ...

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cnbc-t ... 75730.html
Patent denied on Gileads Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi

It's the controversial anti-evergreening patent law at work again. In what came as a shock to US biotech giant Gilead, the Indian Patent Office denied a patent for its blockbuster Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi, citing lack of invention. The order shakes the global pharma industry and opens up a legal can of worms.
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Indian drug maker Natco and patient aid group I-MAK (Initiative for Medicines, Access &Knowledge) entity had filed pre-grant opposition saying the base compound, chemical name Sofosbuvir, is not inventive enough as compared to a previous known formulation.
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Tahir Amin, lawyer and Director, I-MAK in a statement said, "The bottom line here is that India's patent law doesn't give monopolies for old science, for compounds that are already in the public domain. Gilead's strategy of charging as much as USD 84,000 per treatment for a drug that is predicted to be simple and cheap to produce, and is now un-patentable in India, has been exposed for what it is - seeking to squeeze as much profit out of the sick as possible."
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Section 3(d) of the Indian Patent Act bars patents on different versions of a known compound, saying that such inventions are patentable only if "they differ significantly in properties with regard to efficacy."
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Gilead is expected to appeal against the order and this will certainly turn into a heated patent battle, one that the whole world will be closely watching.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 16 Jan 2015 03:46

Kashi wrote:I have not been able to find the full court order so if a link is available, please share it with me

You may already know this, but the official site: https://www.pacer.gov/ (Public Access to Courts Electronic Records) is one site...There are a few court related sites/forums/ (Some unofficial ) are there too. (I think, you (or your legal resource) needs an account/registration)