India-US Relations : News and Discussion

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 29 Jan 2015 21:16

Jan 16

The Ambassador of United States of America, Richard Rahul Verma presenting his credential to the President, Pranab Mukherjee, at Rashtrapati Bhavan, in New Delhi on January 16, 2015.

The High Commissioner of Canada, Nadir Patel presenting his credential to the President, Pranab Mukherjee, at Rashtrapati Bhavan, in New Delhi on January 16, 2015.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jan 2015 21:18

All the US has to do here is insert its inspectors into the IAEA crowd, so this negation by Obama is basically not worth much, optics while not changing policy. US can anyway impose sanctions if it can economically engage India like it engaged Russia -- if India and US got economically interdependent with US holding the upper hand like it did in Russia, all it has to do is impose sanctions and remove India from SWIFT, get apple and google out of India, etc. -- we all know that this can be achieved in short order once the screws need to be turned. This move is just to gain the leverage for use later -- like the drug dealer that always sells the first few uses for free before exploiting the captive buyer.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 29 Jan 2015 21:19

Clearing the way for Japan & India to come closer?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jan 2015 21:20

Japan and India relations are already getting closer without US involvement, it looks like, so the US is not really affecting that relationship by its actions. This could also be a joint game by US/Japan to get India stronger so it can deal with China, now that China is powerful enough to throw its weight around.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 29 Jan 2015 21:47

ramana wrote:Think deeper.

Factory Union Leaders?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Jan 2015 21:48

it is all about tracking the weapons grade plutonium

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jan 2015 22:10

With the separation of civil and military reactors as part of the IUCNA, tracking weapons grade plutonium is not made any easier by building civil nuclear plants.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 29 Jan 2015 22:19

ramana wrote:Think deeper.

Please expound

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 29 Jan 2015 22:22

@ nvishal ^^^ At this rate, it's going to be difficult to tell the cowboys from the injuns

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Jan 2015 22:28

FYI: Pranab has a short stature.

Personally I would rather be different from the cowboys. I have no problem being an SDRE.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jan 2015 22:33

ramana wrote:Think deeper.

Geopolitical gravity shifting. Boris Singh Zaomao Has Leap of Tiger, Fire of Dragon and Teeth Of steel and strong enough to lift world on its nose tip. Tiny blow of Hiss has the ability to cause Tsunami to drown all old Swami Harami and usual Dushtkami. Knowingly or unknowingly World is moving to its natural state equilibrium. No power will have freedom of unilateral action after 2024.

member_23061 · Post by **member_23061** » 29 Jan 2015 22:40

Cosmo_R wrote:@Shreeman

We will move on after this: No brown person after Alexander Pushkin has prospered in Russia. Many brown folk have prospered in the US including one BHO not to mention a slew of Indian Americans. Rahul Richard Verma may be Christian but he is brown no? Name one brown Russian to hold any important position ---ever. Look up the number of Indian Americans starting to permeate Capitol Hill as staffers, lobbyists, think tankers what have you.

The entire US west coast is nowhere near as racist as Moscow and I'm talking about the people from Kazakhstan etc. who are routinely tagged as terrorists.

The US has its faults and they are many. But FWIW, I would not trade being here for the Russian paradise. For us brownies, there is no freaking comparison between the US and Russia or Czechoslovakia, or Poland or Hungary.

Apples and Oranges. What is the percentage of population we are talking about here? Number of browns in Russia << Number of Browns in America. All this nonsense of upward mobility of the Indian Community because the American society is more tolerant. The Indian Community is upwardly mobile because of their own effort and merits, Native Americans haven't had the same level of upward mobility, have they?

Russia is not paradise either but lets get out of this notion that Americans and Russians are soooo different from each other.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 29 Jan 2015 22:42

I think its more about control. In a factory, union leaders don't actually work but weild enormous influence over both employees and the owners. Amreekeys would want to be the union leaders of world nuke tech.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 29 Jan 2015 22:43

Delay Indian TNW test?

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 29 Jan 2015 22:46

Prasobh wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:@Shreeman

We will move on after this: No brown person after Alexander Pushkin has prospered in Russia. Many brown folk have prospered in the US including one BHO not to mention a slew of Indian Americans. Rahul Richard Verma may be Christian but he is brown no? Name one brown Russian to hold any important position ---ever. Look up the number of Indian Americans starting to permeate Capitol Hill as staffers, lobbyists, think tankers what have you.

The entire US west coast is nowhere near as racist as Moscow and I'm talking about the people from Kazakhstan etc. who are routinely tagged as terrorists.

The US has its faults and they are many. But FWIW, I would not trade being here for the Russian paradise. For us brownies, there is no freaking comparison between the US and Russia or Czechoslovakia, or Poland or Hungary.
Apples and Oranges. What is the percentage of population we are talking about here? Number of browns in Russia << Number of Browns in America. All this nonsense of upward mobility of the Indian Community because the American society is more tolerant. The Indian Community is upwardly mobile because of their own effort and merits, Native Americans haven't had the same level of upward mobility, have they?

Russia is not paradise either but lets get out of this notion that Americans and Russians are soooo different from each other.

Thats right ! The Indians in Russia and even the Indian-Russians just dont work hard enough, unlike their Indian American counterparts. Yeah, thats the difference!

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 29 Jan 2015 22:58

Tall dark xxxx eating

Seriously the answer to ramana's question is some thing to do reduction of carbon emissions by indi nd China so that the US can continue to be the largest per capita polluter at the same time shifting/outsourcing the trinket manufacturing to india. Only problem is that that explanation will fit only those leaders who have the noble intentions of Bettering the we live in and for our future generations. Are (aspiring) Nobel peace laureates have that kind of long term vision or are they sophisticated versions of Arvind kejriwals needs to be seen.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Jan 2015 23:01

India is not going to negotiate away its right to pollute by playing along with the carbon emissions scam being run by the US and EU.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Jan 2015 23:04

ramana wrote:Now that the visit is over can someone summarize what was achieved?
In real and virtual terms.

Thanks,

ramana

Since Independence, India has been a reluctant global player. Example, it dealt with Pakistan because Pakistan was its next door neighbor causing all the problems. Yet, in its own style India. India did not act in its own interests when it famously kept away from the informal offer - a seat on the UNSC. China got that seat. The principle of non-alignment caused takleef to India in the long run.

But GoI after May '14 elections has stepped up and says "We want to be a global player. We have our history to prove we were competent once. However, now we have to catch-up, improve our skills and competence to be a global player again. We are willing to learn, adapt and participate. We will do our best".

Modi's efforts from May '14 are in these directions; all his foreign policy initiatives are geared towards earning India a rightful place in the playing arena. He also considers by playing in the global arena he would be able to solve domestic problems.

So I see this visit from the angle of a series of dots that Modi is trying to connect. It just so happens USA is the top dog. In order to be a global player one has to either challenge or play friendly with the top dog. Modi is playing friends with everybody.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jan 2015 23:23

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 051754.cms
Obama in India: Good visit? Or very good visit?

When Modi surprised Obama with his invitation to be chief guest of Republic Day he sent out a set of clear messages: he wanted to place the India-US relationship on the 'salaami manch' of a familiar parade; he wanted the US to be deeply involved as he struggles to pull India out of the economic suds; most important, he saw India's 'Act East' giving new energy to US 'rebalance' that, if played right, has the potential to propel India's global power ambitions.

The government (PM obviously has some canny advisers) displayed an acute sense of the US political calendar. Obama is at a stage in his presidency when foreign policy is an area where he can still make a difference as his domestic clock is winding down. Next year will be too late for Obama, 2017 will see the inauguration of a new US president, 2018 would be herhis first State of the Union so, really , before 2019, no US president would be available for our Republic Day celebrations. Once India made the decision that the US would be its main strategic leverage in the world, the invitation to Obama was a natural flow.

To be fair, Modi's views on the US are almost identical to Manmohan Singh's, which powered his greatest policy decision, the only one for which he was willing to put his job on the line - the 2005 nuclear deal. The nuclear deal, he told us journalists while returning from Washington, would be for India's strategic future what the economic reforms had been for the Indian economy. Ironically, his government went into brainfreeze, as did the deal, the relationship and the economy.

Modi did not come to his new job with nuclear on his mind. But he quickly realised that impasse had to be overcome for a whole lot of other things to start working again. No energy or climate change deal would be possible without nuclear because no renewable source offers this kind of scale. India and the US would have this t-bone stuck in their throats sucking energy out of the economic relationship. The promise of a greater strategic powerplay using the US as leverage too would dry up.

Resolution of these knotty issues will show in the economic, technological and strategic advantages that could come India's way . India should quickly be able to complete nuclear deals with Japan and Australia after this - those would have been hard to seal without the US deal. More important, Indian nuclear industry can look at a new dawn.

In the bigger scheme of things, the visit and its outcomes have settled an important debate raging within the Indian system - whether it's better to engage the US at arm's length so we don't piss off the Chinese and hope to maintain something called `strategic autonomy'; or open up completely to the US and use this partnership as leverage to improve India's standing with its other partners. It's no secret that the best years between India and China in the 21st century were when India and the US were negotiating the nuclear deal.

India doesn't really want to muscle into South China Sea. But it wants to maintain dominance over the Indian Ocean, which would give it a more credible voice as it emphasises freedom of navigation in those waters. We cannot therefore overstate the importance of the US offer to help build a new aircraft carrier. In September, India had already stitched up another agreement for the US to cooperate in building new naval vessels with technology and avionics - India is in the process of building over 40 ships.

The growth of India's maritime capacity is directly tied to its strategic ambitions, because without control of the seas that gets immediately hobbled. Simultaneously , India has declared its hand on APEC - that will give India an opportunity to build an alternative economic relationship in the Asia Pacific region and therefore a credible balance to China. US media reports on the ModiObama conversation say the US side was `surprised' to find India had very similar assessments about the nature of China's rise and its implications.

Less noticed has been an interesting convergence between India's ambitions and Obama's foreign policy. Obama too wants to effect a reordering of America's trigger-happy militaristic foreign policy by emphasising more on `energetic' diplomacy , technology and as far as possible giving regional powers the space to take the lead. This is India's opportunity to bone up on the necessary skill-sets to becoming a greater power. Expect more teeth on the Japan trilateral, which is the other power India wants to partner in Asia.

The most significant document to emerge from the visit therefore is the Strategic Vision on Asia Pacific. It's remarkable in the extent to which the Indian government wore its ambition on its sleeve like Modi's Savile Row pinstripes. It's contrary to the core beliefs that the Indian foreign policy establishment has grown up with - a little bit of this and a little bit of that, minimise risks, minimise gains. That's about to change.

Modi has his job cut out - India's strategic ambitions will fall woefully short if he cannot pull the economy up by the bootstraps, or if he cannot maintain the kind of social inclusiveness that makes India almost unique in the world.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 23:39

A request to members. Please post the author's name as it gives chance to know who wrote the article.

Thanks,
ramana

BTW above article uses un-parliamentary words.
Secondly it looks at the issues with US eyes.
And doesn't really understand what the nuke deal that MMS agreed to was for.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Jan 2015 23:43

Singha wrote:they have nothing to lose and potentially some leverage to gain. its a cheap investment with potential good ROI in future...value investing.

Most politics is domestic and near-term.

Nuke deal gives obama and dems cover with US domestic nuke lobby and mitigates the image of bleeding heart environmentalists. He can veto Keystone if he wants and still say, hey look I am pro-energy self-sufficiency onlee, I am for balance of different energy sources. Nuke is more macho in US voters' eyes compared to solar, wind etc. There will be nuke jobs instead of bipeline jobs.

He can also tell his environmental lobby, so what if I don't have a china like deal on emissions with India, nuke is emission-free also.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Jan 2015 23:45

Pratyush wrote:Guys,

Ignore onlee.

We need to be focused on the long term goals that we need to accomplish. We must not get sidetracked by the pinpricks. Learn from NaMo.

+1

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 29 Jan 2015 23:48

ramana wrote:Think deeper.

From the US perspective,
1. Prevent India from going the Thorium route, by sucking up all the cash flow in this Uranium powered monsters.
2. Goad Pakistan to not screw things in Afghanistan. This lever can be used to make Pakistan do a whole lot of things without bribe.
3. Stay on the right side of India at least this time, (and attempt to erase past perfidy) because India is appearing to break out of the artificial shackles

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 30 Jan 2015 00:27

Tuvaluan wrote:India is not going to negotiate away its right to pollute by playing along with the carbon emissions scam being run by the US and EU.

Let me give a perspective, I think which is VERY important, but many people miss.

A fact which *ANY* (indian, or USA, or EU or china) scientist who looks at data and use logic will agree.

The type of data, which says that 99.9% of polio cases were were eliminated due to vaccine between 1988 and 2014. (From about half a million per year to about 20 per year now - which can become zero if yahoos in Pakistan do not oppose vaccines).

Let us NOT play the game as yahoos of Bakiland play to oppose "vaccine scam run by US and EU"
(As my father told me , even in India, people opposed small pox vaccines in 1940's)

So, as NaMo said, the pressure on us to have less pollution (or global warming) is not due to "emmision scam run by US" but *our OWN responsibilty to do good for our own people.

So let me present the data -

Nuclear power has saved about 1,800,000 lives from 1971 and 2009.

This is in the sense, that if coal was used instead of the nuclear power to produce equivalent energy, the extra deaths due to pollution will be about 1.8 million in those 40 years.

And we are not even counting effect due to global warming. It is just the less pollution in the air.

Think about that for a minute... really think.

(No, these are not made up numbers... the number may vary a little depending on which study you see, but not by much, this is sort of conservative side data, but all values are that high.... *every* scientific study I have seen)

(BTW, as I have posted several times in the other thread, the deaths/cancer due to use of nuclear power has been ZERO in US or India ... (Fukushima deaths /cancer due to radiation is also ZERO)

You should not take my word for this, read up reputable scientific literature yourself.

Think, really think about this please.

(No one is suggesting that we should not use coal because some one asks us not to, because, as I said before, the choice between no power and power-with-pollution-of coal the later is obviously better ...we need power because without power the deaths would be 100 times more... but if we have a choice, we should go for clean power - irrespective of ehh-en-dee type silly arguments). If working with US helps us in clean energy sector we should go for it because it is good for us.)

Added later: I have used "nuclear power" in the data above, this is mainly due to the fact that solar (or other clean power) was not much used in those years. Any clean power source (say solar) will do, Even if we use technology to burn clean coal - it will help a lot.

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 30 Jan 2015 00:32

ramana wrote:If 77% of Toshiba-Westinghouse and 50 % of GE-BWR are owned by Japan why is US pushing the nuke deal as it will only benefit marginally from power reactor commerce with India. Its Japan which will benefit from this IUCNA deal. But Japan has its own demons to deal with vis a vis Indian power reactors.

Is the US hope that they can send intrusive inspections into India above and beyond the IAEA?

But even this has been waived by President Obama!

Or some sort of Sword of Damocles on a future Indian decision to test a nuke? But this is a national security decision that will be taken regardless of atmospherics.

The supreme national interests consideration far outweighs any treaty/veaty.

So what is the dynamic pushing the US on the nuke deal?

I believe there was more at stake than just the economics of the deal. One way to think is climate change. While CO2 emissions warms climate everywhere, most of the nuclear related environmental problems tend to be local. So to ween away India from coal, nuclear energy may the lesser of the two evils (in the minds of the western powers). There may have been a better understanding of why India is unwilling to make promises on CO2 emissions until she is able to provide reliable electricity to her masses. Nuclear along with renewables is going to play an important role. The lame duck presidents tend to think longer term (no more campaigns to run) and this may that longer term solution that Obama thought of for India's participation in the next climate talks.

Also, as the tradition has been, don't give India anything before it is about to gain it by herself. May it is a harbinger of India achieving technology and funding breakthrough the barrier in Nuclear power.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 30 Jan 2015 00:53

AmberG:

You should not take my word for this, read up reputable scientific literature yourself.

Think, really think about this please.

I am all well read up on this front, not to mention I get to breathe in the fumes in Bangalore on a regular basis, so I don't need convincing that less pollution and less carbon emissions is a good thing.

So, as NaMo said, the pressure on us to have less pollution (or global warming) is not due to "emmision scam run by US" but *our OWN responsibilty to do good for our own people.

I am only saying that the GoI's pace of reducing emissions will be commensurate with its ability to increase the production of cleaner energy -- negotiating away reducing emissions without any increase in energy (like not building coal plants because it would violate some treaty) is not going to happen.
To be even more specific, any decision will be made on improving manufacturing and growth etc. in the short to medium term, and if that means building coal plants, that will be done, irrespective of whether there is "clean technology" or not -- saving the planet from carbon fuel emissions are (a) a long term goal (b) not something India can change when it is hardly in the list of the top 4 polluters like USA/China etc..

So unless any Indian are living close to the arctic circle, they need to stop repeating the climate change cr@p as some sort of calamity that will hurt them and other Indians...only eventually. First it will hurt all the mofos in the EU close to the arctic circle, and that is not on India's list of problems at this time. The causality of carbon pollution alone affecting climate change is yet to be proven, though the correlation exists.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Jan 2015 01:17

rgsrini wrote:1. Prevent India from going the Thorium route, by sucking up all the cash flow in this Uranium powered monsters.

will not work.. there is always a CBA to do business, and our needs are more than 10 ap1000 walas. i see two strategies - short vs long term.

and having 10 khaan reactors, and still we need to pay the khaans means, they will have to contain pakis till everything is paid off.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 30 Jan 2015 02:17

Tuvaluan - I quoted you, just because it brought some thoughts to my mind, I was not responding to you, let alone differing with your views, in particular.

My perspective was to put some numbers so that people have some "quantitative" understanding. Seeing all the posts here (but more in articles in news paper) shows that most people do not understand. They over exaggerate (by many orders of magnitude) the effect due to radiation, and do not really understand the effect due to pollution.

Also, it has nothing to do with taking away the rights of India (even the right to "pollute"

, if she thinks it is in the national interest.. and I agree with your concept of it is India's right to do what it thinks is the best)..but asking Indian , leaders and citizen to think about what is in their best interest.

I once read, posted in Brf (I am not making it up) something like this, a few years ago when the deal was struck.

The nuclear deal is bad because if it was good, MMS would not have signed it ..

A funny circular logic (Because, some post ago, the poster said MMS was bad/traitor because he agreed to the deal) one has to assume MMS was a traitor to deduce Nuclear deal was bad, which one has to assume to deduce MMS was a traitor...

I know this was posted several years ago.. but I see some similar trend appearing again.,,:)

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 30 Jan 2015 02:21

Careful folks

I am getting 2010 Nukular Neuj thread nightmares. Remembering one Mr. Sanku Maharaj

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 30 Jan 2015 02:31

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UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Jan 2015 02:54

I thought I posted this earlier, but never mind..

So I read what BO actually said at this great so-called slam against India, and sorry, I have to agree with him 400%. He said:

India can succeed as long as it does not get splintered along religious or any other lines.

During a speech at the Siri Fort Auditorium in Delhi on Tuesday, Mr Obama said that India would only succeed if it is not "splintered" on religious lines.

"In all countries, upholding this [religious] freedom is the responsibility of the government and each person. Religion has been used to tap into the dark side of man," The Communist Chinese-owned rag 'Hindu' quotes Mr Obama as saying.

I agree.
1. This is why the Kashmiri "self-rule" demand is absurd: they are trying to splinter India along religious lines. Boo to them.
2. The Muslims in Godhra who raise the Pakistani flag on Aug 14-15: same. Hang them or put them on Samjhauta Express 1-way.
3. Conversionists in Andhra, Kerala, TN, Assam: same. They are trying to splinter India.
4. Goons in Keralastan dreaming of dancing around date palms in sandy desert, sitting in the coconut-shaded paradise where they were born (I am not kidding): Ship them to KSA, one-way.
5. Rear-Bishops, Vice-Bishops etc. bowing to the rulers of Vatican, Eyetaly, sitting in India. Splittists, as they say in Beijing. Expel them.
6. Communist terrorists in Jharkhand, Odisha, JNU, Berkeley: Same.
7. Commie-Pakis outside India who subvert India: Same.

So I am in unanimous agreement with BO. What is the takleef here pls? What am I not seeing? All I read was the fervent good wishes of a friend and well-wisher.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jan 2015 03:13

UB even RSS said the same thing and folks twittered.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 30 Jan 2015 03:30

ramana wrote:Think deeper.

Stuxnet aka sabotage?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 30 Jan 2015 03:44

Prasobh wrote:
All this nonsense of upward mobility of the Indian Community because the American society is more tolerant. The Indian Community is upwardly mobile because of their own effort and merits, Native Americans haven't had the same level of upward mobility, have they? (this is a non-sequitur)

Russia is not paradise either but lets get out of this notion that Americans and Russians are soooo different from each other.

Where are the meritorious Indians in Russia? I'm sure any who went there would have made efforts similar to those who went to the US. I don't see anyone obvious.

Ask the Indian business community about even getting a visa to Russia let alone the arrogance and racism they encounter among the Russian elite. Americans as a people are vastly different from Russians, we Indians are much closer to Americans in our value systems. If this is not obvious, the Young Pioneer magazines have done their job.

I am not sure what you point is about Native Americans. Are you saying they have not made the same efforts as Indian Americans?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 30 Jan 2015 03:50

The Russians are corrupt racist thugs. You can't even open a temple in a Russian city for worship.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Jan 2015 05:19

rgsrini wrote: 3. Stay on the right side of India at least this time, (and attempt to erase past perfidy) because India is appearing to break out of the artificial shackles

Just want to add

"... India is appearing to break out of the artificial shackles" on its own.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Jan 2015 05:21

panduranghari wrote:
ramana wrote:Think deeper.
Stuxnet aka sabotage?

you can never ignore that.. implants for future attacks will be always in agenda

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Jan 2015 05:32

Cosmo_R wrote: ... let alone the arrogance and racism they encounter among
the Russian elite. Americans as a people are vastly different from Russians,
we Indians are much closer to Americans in our value systems.

Cosmo_R ji: American commoners sire, American commoners. American/Russian/(heck)Indian elites are no closer to
American/Russian/(heck)Indian commoners - unless of course one moves in elite
circles.

member_23061 · Post by **member_23061** » 30 Jan 2015 07:19

matrimc wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote: ... let alone the arrogance and racism they encounter among
the Russian elite. Americans as a people are vastly different from Russians,
we Indians are much closer to Americans in our value systems.
Cosmo_R ji: American commoners sire, American commoners. American/Russian/(heck)Indian elites are no closer to
American/Russian/(heck)Indian commoners - unless of course one moves in elite
circles.

My point exactly. We should not fall into the Western media hype that Russians evil, American good. Both sides will use Indians to their own gain, Americans will pretend you are part of white America till they decide to lynch you. I am particularly reminded of the incident of Tyler Clementi and Dharun Ravi ; Google for the details. I was on this very forum defending the action of the American court till I realised by the time of the verdict that 'liberal' America decided to dump all their guilty conscience on this Indian kid and sentenced him to a month of jail.

The chief problem for Indian Business people in Russia is the fact that there is no support for them in the market to become big players. Still a crony capitalist country, you can't hope to become big without the help of officials in various steps. It is not racism alone which does that. I think Upendra Mahato, a Nepali is the richest South Asian in Russia actually. BTW, those who want to know of successful of Indian business people in Russia need to look at Shreya Life Sciences which at a time was a market leader in the pharmaceutical markets there. [My colleague was a cousin to the owner]

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 30 Jan 2015 07:28

The american justice system, including law enforcement has the same limits on not bothering the rich that the indian system faces.

For the rest, the glorification of american culture continues ad nauseum. And thkse that think PBS/NPR is anything but propaganda need to reeducate them.

Before you start hating or glorifying them, take your glasses off. The warts are worse that you will encounter locally.