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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 10 Nov 2017 09:19

ashish raval wrote:
Philip wrote:Other nations should emulate China in its own backyard.If attacked they should likewise respond.The US can build "islands for its allies and friends.Watch the Chins hyperventilate and soil their shenyis when that happens.

Agreed. We should be building island chain from Chennai to Andaman and Mauritius and claim Indian ocean region. Those who do not allow us to go into their water will not be allowed in our water too..from Mauritius to andaman.

Er there is a problem. Please use Kookal Earth to check the depth of water. The seas off China are very shallow and can be used to build Islands. Subs can't hide in that shallow water. The Bay of Bengal is deep deep deep.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Nov 2017 11:55

chanakyaa wrote:US and China have been very close partners and will continue to do so.

Oh, really? So, why was there this 'Pivot to Asia', emphasis on 'Indo-Pacific', US arms sales to Taiwan, Sino-Russo grand alliance against the US, complete US stance against China in the Indo-China Sea, FoN patrols, expanding US military ties with almost all nations in the region at the direct cost of China etc. etc. ?

Trade is just one aspect, though an important aspect especially with a mercantilist President like Trump around. Trade may postpone for a while hard decisions, but the upcoming collision between China and the US is real unless the US decides to go meekly under or the Chinese juggernaut stops for whatever mysterious reason.

C'mon.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby bahdada » 10 Nov 2017 12:58

http://news.sina.com.cn/w/zx/2017-11-06/doc-ifynmnae2345205.shtml

Toggle the Translate feature in Chrome. Do enjoy the Comments, their internet generals are as bad as ours. :lol:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 10 Nov 2017 13:25

chanakyaa wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Trump's passivity will also not go well with Japan & India. PotUS have always been untrustworthy but Trump is on a much higher scale. India must demand from the US its clarificationns of Trump-Xi interaction.

According to one estimate, 41% of Japan's exports go to China and US, and then EU. Why would Japan's opinion matter at all? Okay, even if Japan gets upset (to any degree), what the he11 can and will they do? Nothing, Nada. Don't want export your overcapacity to China and US? Sure, go ahead and stop exports and watch your economy go up in smoke. US and China have been very close partners and will continue to do so.

Japan Import/Export


Every one of Cheen’s “enemies” trades extensively with it and contributes to the growth of PRC power. Cheen never engages in war so connections are never disrupted. This has been going on for the last three decades during the lizard’s entire rise. It won’t change if left to Cheen.

Doklam already shown us that for all the fiery rhetoric, the PRC sticks to the path that brings them power. It was up to us to force them off that path with open warfare but we wouldn’t do it. And thus the ascendancy of the lizard will continue as it had for decades.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Nov 2017 18:19

Next round of boundary talks with India in ‘due course’: Chinese foreign ministry - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
China on Friday said the next round of border talks with India would take place in “due course”, but praised the apex Special Representatives (SR) mechanism for its role in addressing the boundary row.

In response to a question, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said that as of now, State Councilor Yang Jiechi will continue to function as Special Representative at the boundary talks.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is Mr. Yang’s counterpart in this dialogue.

Yang's elevation

“I have not heard about any changes in the Special Representative on the Chinese side”, Ms. Hua said. Mr. Yang has been elevated from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) to the 25-member Politburo, at last month’s 19th party congress.

There has been speculation about Mr. Yang, a former foreign minister, taking on higher responsibilities in the diplomatic domain during President Xi Jinping’s second term in office. On Wednesday, Mr. Yang was in the limelight when he received visiting U.S President Donald Trump at the airport.

Analysts say that China’s new leadership, as well as senior bureaucrats, are assigned specific responsibilities only in March when the National People’s Congress-China’s parliament-holds its annual session.

Media reports say that the next round of boundary talks will be held in India next month. A new round of India-China diplomatic engagements following the Xiamen summit in September between Mr. Xi and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is expected to get rolling in December with the visit of Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi. Mr. Wang is expected to participate in the Russia-India-China (RIC) conclave, which India is hosting.

Ms. Hua said in its previous round, the SR mechanism had made “positive progress”.


“Now this mechanism is operating very well. The two sides will decide the date and time for this year’s meeting in due course”, she observed.

Referring to the RIC meeting, Ms. Hua said, “We highly value this mechanism.” She stressed that China supported India in hosting this meeting. “According to my information, the three parties are in communication to this specific issue.”

Ms. Hua was non-committal about a possible meeting between Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang and Mr. Modi on the sidelines of the coming East Asia Summit in the Philippines. “So far I have no specific information to offer. Various parties can keep communication, if they would like to meet,” she said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 10 Nov 2017 22:40

SSridhar wrote: but the upcoming collision between China and the US is real unless the US decides to go meekly under or the Chinese juggernaut stops for whatever mysterious reason.

C'mon.

If it was not obvious 3 years ago - it should be patently obvious now that China is hell bent on copying everything the US does and then exceeding or claiming to have exceeded the US. China is gunning for the US with all cylinders phyrring.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby kit » 11 Nov 2017 03:24

i would say they can do better ..unless the US comes out openly against it

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ashish raval » 11 Nov 2017 03:55

shiv wrote:
ashish raval wrote:Agreed. We should be building island chain from Chennai to Andaman and Mauritius and claim Indian ocean region. Those who do not allow us to go into their water will not be allowed in our water too..from Mauritius to andaman.

Er there is a problem. Please use Kookal Earth to check the depth of water. The seas off China are very shallow and can be used to build Islands. Subs can't hide in that shallow water. The Bay of Bengal is deep deep deep.

Hmm..that seems to be fundamental bottleneck then. Only few places near Indian shores are shallow it seems compared to s China sea whole of which seems fairly shallow and sub 600 feet..

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chanakyaa » 11 Nov 2017 09:09

Sridharji, my reference to “partnership” was not meant to imply a similar relationship with that of an ally (even if there is such thing). Chinese economy is growing, expanding, and maturing (regardless of how much strong opinion one may have on non-performing assets). Initial growth of came from simply offering cheap, hard labour to acquire business know-how legally and illegally. Foreign currency is semi-pegged to USD to help transfer manufacturing to China easily. I’m sure along the way they also stole and copied technology to their satisfaction. Banking and economic system continues to change and improve largely based on stolen/improvised systems/concepts from the West. Now that they have managed to create 2nd largest economy, the West has following challenges (just to name a few):

1. Tight fist control of CPC/Gov and a strange state controlled capitalism makes it very difficult for West to enjoy the bounty of the growing Chinese economy (e.g. free access to financial markets, banking system etc.) As the Chinese economy grows, wealth is created and race is “on” to make sure who gets the biggest pie of that wealth (use GDP, PPP or whatever as a measure).
2. The way uncle took the baton from UK after the WWII, China probably sees itself to be in the same position to do the same thing to uncle.
3. In theory, if all countries have healthy economic relationship with China, all it does is reduce the pie West get to share with other countries.

How you would solve the problem if you were uncle? Military confrontation is definitely not at the top of the list. By making China a bogeyman (partly justified), uncle is milking all the parties involved. Arms to Taiwan? Sure. As long as bogeyman exists, Taiwan (or other neighbors) have no option but to keep on buying weapons it will most probably never use. Just in case Chinese get upset, just threaten them with a threat to move manufacturing to some other turd-world country and watch Chinese cave in. If Chinese do not open market access to western companies, threaten them with Border Tax, and watch Chinese come around. Chinese know that they can continue to throw bones to west and buy time. After a lot of posturing, the Chinese have also figured out that they can continue to slowly open up access to its market to west, bribe its elites and, in exchange, get China indirect access to countries, which otherwise would have been difficult. For example, acquisition of Syngenta allowed Chinese access to India’s agricultural market. Patrols in SCS, calling Indo-Pacific are all symbolic. Theoretically speaking, if India were to say NO to uncle’s defense offers, how long will you think term Indo-Pacific will last? Uncle is confronting Chinese, yes, but in a way that makes them the only beneficiary of this Pivot to Asia.

Added later: China Makes Historic Move to Open Market for Financial Firms

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 12 Nov 2017 09:05

Arunachal Indian territory, others' views don't matter: Nirmala Sitharaman

Good statement, that is enough to start with, there should be flurry of semi-official statements saying Tibet is not China. There should be statements from Tibetan govt in exile demanding independence for Tibet.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2017 08:49

India, Australia, Japan and US hold talks on Indo-Pacific cooperation - PTI
Officials from India, the US, Japan, and Australia on Sunday held extensive talks here [Manila] to pursue common interests in the strategically important Indo-Pacific region where China has been aggressively expanding its military presence.

In the meeting, seen as the first major move in formation of the quadrilateral security dialogue — or ‘quad’, the officials deliberated on evolving security scenario in the Indo-Pacific region besides delving into effectively combating threat of terrorism and other security challenges.

In a statement, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said consultations were held on issues of common interest in the Indo-Pacific region with a focus on cooperation based on converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in the area. “The discussions focused on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners,” it said.

The meeting took place ahead of the ASEAN and East Asia summits here for which Prime Minister Narendra Modi, US President Donald Trump, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull have already arrived.

“They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large. The officials also exchanged views on addressing common challenges of terrorism and proliferation linkages impacting the region as well as on enhancing connectivity,” the MEA said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Hari Seldon » 13 Nov 2017 09:21

After Trump’s Bonhomie in Beijing, a Trade Face-Off Brews (WSJ)

Overly charitable 'analysis' by WSJ or is there really a method in Trump's madness?

Meanwhile, back in Washington lower-level aides are dusting off a rarely used Cold War-era trade weapon that invokes national-security considerations to push back against Chinese steel and aluminum dumping. The action reflects an acknowledgment that Mr. Xi has no intention of abandoning predatory industrial policies to bring China, in his words, “closer to the center” of the world, and that conventional counters to Chinese abuses, like World Trade Organization complaints, don’t work.

All this suggests that a largely vacuous meeting in Beijing, featuring a high quota of bonhomie from Mr. Trump and a low measure of economic deliverables from Mr. Xi, may go down in history as the prelude to a face-off on trade and other contentious issues that Mr. Trump repeatedly threatened during his campaign but has so far conspicuously failed to bring on.

Indeed, empty summitry may have been part of the White House game plan.

Both sides normally strain for agreements to show progress toward the all-round engagement that has been the Holy Grail of successive U.S. presidents since Nixon. This time was different. Nobody was fooled by the $250 billion in commercial deals signed. Some were already in the works, hastily packaged up for the occasion, while others were memorandums of understanding that mean just that—paper promises that often end up in the bin.

Focus exclusively on his gushing personal diplomacy and the view might be Mr. Trump was played like a fiddle.

Dwell on the modest takeaways and the White House appears to have used the summit to signal it is no longer playing the old game of pretend. Is this why, after Mr. Trump had left Beijing, his hosts figuratively ran after their guest with a more substantial offer—improved market access for U.S. securities firms and banks? White House aides suggest this concession was granted, not demanded.

In this more nuanced reading of the summit from Washington’s perspective, Mr. Trump’s assigned role was to enhance a rapport with Mr. Xi that will help anchor the relationship in advance of expected turbulence ahead.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2017 12:50

Contours of a counter-BRI - Dinakar Peri, The Hindu
India finds itself at a crossroads of grand alliances unfolding in the Indian Ocean Region. While one axis is a maritime one across the Indo-Pacific, the other is land-based, extending from Afghanistan into Southeast Asia. Interestingly, both are intended to act as a check on China’s growing clout.

On Sunday, foreign ministry officials from India, Australia, Japan and the U.S. held discussions on the sidelines of the East Asia summit in Manila in the Philippines and discussed peace and stability in the region in addition to addressing common challenges.

“The discussions focussed on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners. They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large,” a statement from the Ministry of External Affairs said while reiterating that India’s Act East Policy was the “cornerstone of its engagement in the Indo-Pacific region”.

Four corners

Of late, the U.S. has been more vocal in its desire to include Australia in the India-Japan-U.S. security cooperation in the Indian Ocean Region, referred to as the “quad” — a quadrilateral alliance of “like-minded” countries. Taking it a step further, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono has called for the inclusion of France and Germany. Against this backdrop, the prospect of quadrilateral discussions in Manila have generated considerable global interest on the possible outcome which China hoped “would not target or damage” a “third party’s interest.” Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meetings during his visit there will be watched closely.

While the quad still remains an idea, and it has to be seen what shape it takes, the diplomatic discussions in the national capital over the last few weeks and the statements by world leaders in the run-up to some recent high-level visits to India show distinct contours of a counter-alliance to China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), also called One Belt, One Road, taking shape. The arc extends from Afghanistan on India’s west all across the Northeast and into Myanmar and the Southeast Asian countries.

Various strands of this are already under way. India has been trying to build connectivity under various initiatives in its own Northeast region, in its neighbouring countries, and further into ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations). Now the U.S. has begun investing in India’s periphery, and Japan is attempting to align its own development initiatives to improve connectivity in the region with India’s Act East policy. The broader attempt is to institutionalise this into a structured trilateral format, and possibly a quadrilateral one at a later stage.

Collaborating with India

Last month, ahead of his visit to India, while delivering a speech at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson expressed the need to collaborate with India to ensure peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific so that it “does not become a region of disorder, conflict, and predatory economics.”

Elaborating on the predatory economics, Mr. Tillerson said there are a “number of fledgling democracies for infrastructure investment” and stressed on the need to have alternative means of developing them. He referred to China’s investment model, saying, “the financing mechanisms it brings to many of these countries [results] in saddling them with enormous levels of debt.”

Mr. Tillerson further said, “We think it’s important that we begin to develop some means of countering that with alternative financing measures, financing structures” and added that they began a “quiet conversation” during the East Asia ministerial summit in August to create “alternative financing mechanisms” in a multilateral way.

In September, the U.S. signed a $500 million agreement with Nepal to build infrastructure for the latter’s electricity and transportation needs and to promote “more trade linkages with partners in the region like India.” Earlier, U.S. Secretary of Defence James Mattis had endorsed India’s sovereignty concerns surrounding the BRI.

Speaking at a think tank in New Delhi last month, Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar endorsed the U.S. investment in Nepal. Stating that India cannot be in denial of other players coming into the region, he said: “I think an intelligent nation harnesses the changes and sees what works for you. To the extent we have countries whose broad goals are aligned with us.” India and Japan are also cooperating on a project for LNG (liquefied natural gas) supplies to Sri Lanka in addition to aligning their connectivity projects in Africa under the proposed ‘Asia Africa Growth Corridor’.

The broad mechanism is akin to China’s own build-up of the BRI initiative. China spent over a decade building capacities independently in its areas of interest — for instance, it built a series of dual-use facilities across the Indian Ocean surrounding India which is popularly referred to as its ‘string of pearls’ strategy. All such efforts have now been consolidated under its grandiose idea of BRI, bringing legitimacy to them and succeeding in getting the global community on board with offers of lucrative investments and long-term returns.

Time for caution

While cooperative mechanisms are crucial to maintain stability in the Indian Ocean Region, it would be prudent on India’s part to do a cost-benefit analysis of building such grand alliances in such uncertain times, especially on the role of the U.S. with President Donald Trump at the helm. One of the agreements reached between Mr. Trump and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping was China’s Silk Road Fund, under the People’s Bank of China, to promote the Belt and Road international trade initiative. This shows the dichotomy in American policy, and India should exercise caution before jumping on to the bandwagon. It must await policy clarity from the U.S. both on Afghanistan and beyond.

On the other hand, Russia has asked India to join its International North-South Transport Corridor, arguing that it would be a gateway for India to connect with Central Asia through Chabahar port in Iran and via Afghanistan.

While India has objections to the BRI, it wouldn’t be ideal to bracket the country in a counter camp, but rather it should balance its outreach in accordance to national interests and its own terms. After all, the very countries which are pushing India into alliances are deeply intertwined with China in terms of trade.
Excessive dependence on multilateral frameworks to fulfil national objectives may seem lucrative in the short term but could prove to be a costly mistake in the long term and comprise Indian sovereignty.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2017 13:49

Navigation rights figure in first Quadrilateral talks - Kallol Bhattacherjee, The Hindu
Beginning a new diplomatic initiative, India on Sunday participated in the first formal official-level discussions conducted here [Manila] under the recently mooted regional coalition known as the ‘Quad’, the quadrilateral formation that includes Japan, India, the United States and Australia.

The quadrilateral talks were held even as Prime Minister Narendra Modi interacted with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan and U.S. President Donald Trump at a gala dinner thrown by President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines for the visiting leaders, who are here to participate in the 31st ASEAN and the 12th East Asia summits.

“The discussions focussed on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners. They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large,” the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said in a statement on the quadrilateral.

“The officials also exchanged views on addressing common challenges of terrorism and proliferation linkages impacting the region as well as on enhancing connectivity,” the MEA statement said.

The Indian team consisted of the Joint Secretary in charge of the East Asia division in the MEA, Pranay Verma, and the Joint Secretary in charge of the South division in the MEA, Vinay Kumar.

Indicating the simmering regional tension with China and Beijing’s assertiveness over the South China Sea issue, a statement from the Australian Foreign Ministry informed that freedom of navigation figured at the ‘Quad.’ It said, “upholding the rules-based order in the Indo-Pacific and respect for international law, freedom of navigation and overflight; increase(d) connectivity; challenges of countering terrorism and upholding maritime security in the Indo-Pacific” were also discussed.

Official sources emphasised that the quadrilateral was not aimed at any other country, and said India was also involved in other similar groupings in the region to deal with security and political issues.

The leaders of the quadrilateral countries, Mr. Abe, Mr. Modi and Mr. Trump attended the dinner dressed in the Barong Tagalog, the traditional Filipino shirt for men. The event was also attended by Premiers Li Keqiang of China and Dmitry Medvedev of Russia.

The U.S.’s statement indicated that further cooperation “to curtail DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea)’s nuclear and missile programmes and unlawful acts” were also on the agenda of Sunday’s discussions.

Indian official sources emphasised that the quadrilateral was not aimed at any other country and said New Delhi was also involved in similar groupings in the region to deal with security and political issues.

The quadrilateral meeting is significant as it was held in the backdrop of the comments by the Chinese Premier urging reduction in tension over regional issues like the South China Sea dispute. “The wise expand common ground while the unwise aggravate differences,” said Premier Li in a newspaper article, defending the Chinese position in the dispute.

Official sources emphasised that the quadrilateral was not aimed at any other country and said India was also involved in similar groupings in the region to deal with security and political issues.

India’s commitment towards the region was highlighted by Mr. Modi as he took to the social media before arriving here and said, “I will take part in the ASEAN-India and East Asia summits, which symbolise India’s commitment towards deepening engagement with ASEAN and India-Pacific region.”

On Monday, Mr. Modi will take part in the inauguration of the ASEAN summit and will hold talks with Mr. Trump and Mr. Duterte.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2017 18:34

India, US, Japan and Australia must not target us: China
China on Monday said the US, Japan, India and Australia should not target Beijing, a day after the four met on the sidelines of the Asean Summit in Manila and decided to work for a "free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region".

China also said the US-brokered proposal of these countries to ensure free and open "Indo-Pacific ... should avoid politicising or excluding some relevant parties".

"The relevant proposal should be open and inclusive and should be conducive to the win-win cooperation and avoid politicising or excluding some relevant parties," {The Chinese Foreign Ministry has a fetish for the word, 'relevant'}
Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said.

"From China's persistent foreign policy, we welcome the development of friendly cooperation between the relevant countries and we hope this kind of relations is not directed against any third party and we hope this kind of relations will be conducive to the regional peace and stability," Geng added.

US President Donald Trump has been increasingly using the term "Indo-Pacific" for Asia-Pacific to clearly signal the inclusion of India in the Indian Ocean.

Some experts say the US wants to contain China with help from India, Australia and Japan.

"Peace, development and win-win cooperation is the trend of the times... I think the development in any country, any region should correspond to the trend of the times and the trend of the world," Geng said

"I think all relevant parties can put forward their vision and proposal on how to develop cooperation between the countries and regions. I hope this kind of proposal and vision can correspond to with the trend and correspond with the trend of the world,"
he added.

The representatives of the four countries met for the first time on the sidelines of the Asean Summit on Sunday.

Later, India's External Affairs Ministry said: "The discussions focused on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability, and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners."

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Nov 2017 18:39

In Manila, PM Narendra Modi takes a swipe at China
Addressing a gathering of the Indian community in Manila, Prime Minister Narendra Modi took a dig at China in a veiled reference to China's expansionist policy.

"If you see the history of India, it has believed in giving rather than asking. Moreover, it has never believed in snatching," said PM Modi smilingly.

Modi knew his remark would resonate with his audience in Manila.
The South China Sea had been a thorny issue between China and Philippines. The latter had even filed an arbitration in an International court. Though the court ruled in favour of Philippines, China refused to recognise the verdict.

Modi also said that India had always believed in peace. "India has always contributed to world peace. Our contingent in the UN Peacekeeping Forces is among the biggest. India is the land of Mahatma Gandhi, peace is integral to our culture," he said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby nam » 13 Nov 2017 21:16

India, US, Japan and Australia must not target us: China

India strongly believes Indo-Chinese relationship is on the up. Things like quad are "technical" terms and there is no consensus among the nations that such a thing exists. Such irritants will not come in the way of expanding relation between the two powers.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ramana » 14 Nov 2017 06:02

SS et al, Have you read "Battle For NEFA' by G.S. Bhargava?

It gives a very good summary of how Nehruji ended up deluding himself and causing a debacle in 1962.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 14 Nov 2017 14:17

The arrogant megalomaniac of the PRC,XI Gins,must realise that if China greedily gobbles up atolls,islands and engages in huge land reclamation of the same in the ICS,establishing military bases armed to the teeth,neighbouring nations and all those with genuine interests in keeping the high seas accessible to all,WILL flock together to meet the threat. It is entirely China's responsibility whether this "Quad" eventually is fleshed out into a full-fledged military alliance against China or remain at an informal level of mutual understanding and cooperation. The more China ramps up its military threat to the ROW,the more combined opposition it will gather and we all know the magnetic effect of a powerful grouping..

Whatever our role in the "Quad",India should itself exert its influence in the IOR and band together the littoral nations into a strong organisation with economic,maritime matters in the IOR and the security of its member nations its principal objectives.The time has come for India to "awake" as Nehru said at that historic "midnight hour",and seize the moment of opportunity to establish such a security structure. I've said before that SAFE (S.Asian Federation Economic) could replace SAARC.BIMSTEC does not include Nepal,Afghanistan,etc. either.The MEA could sound out individual nations on the same at the earliest.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 14 Nov 2017 14:54

ramana wrote:SS et al, Have you read "Battle For NEFA' by G.S. Bhargava?

It gives a very good summary of how Nehruji ended up deluding himself and causing a debacle in 1962.

Thanks for the suggestion. Just downloaded it. 1964 edition, wow!

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Postby Peregrine » 14 Nov 2017 16:26

Chinese appetite for Indian brands hits new high in annual shopping festival

BEIJING: Indian masalas are spicing up the Chinese palate like never before with large numbers of them buying Indian food products during the annual shopping event, the Singles Day, on Saturday.

The shopping carnival saw online markets doing business exceeding $30 billion as millions of consumers bought a wide range of goods, most of which are manufactured in China. Some foreign-made goods including those produced in India, Europe and the US were hawked and purchased.

Indian grocery items, ready-made food and Ayurvedic cosmetic brands like Amul, MDH Masala, Gits, Tata Tea, Haldiram, Dabur, Patanjali and Himalaya, were snapped up on Alibaba's Taobao.com, jd.com and several other Internet marketplaces.

The online market attracts a large chunk of the Chinese population with attractive discounts on the occasion, that is also known as 11/11 Singles day+ because it involves the repeated use of 1 or single four times. However, buyers include both married and singles. The 24-hour buying frenzy has emerged as the world's biggest shopping day eclipsing Black Friday and Cyber Monday in the United States.

Alibaba reported that its one-day sales reached $25.35 billion on Saturday, a rise of 39 percent from last year. The company said it had sold goods including apparel, mobile phones, imported lobster and infant formula from 140,000 brands during the day.

JD, which started the discount sales on November 1, said it had sold nearly $20 billion in goods over an 11-day period. It sold 55 million facial masks and 500,000 Thailand black tiger shrimps, JD said. There are several other online shopping firms which have not released all their figures yet.

"There is a lot of attraction for Indian foods and many other products all over China. They are sold by hundreds of Chinese traders through online stores and physical shops. Almost every city in China has a shop selling Indian goods, and some like Shanghai, Guangzhou, Yiwu and Beijing have two or three each," a Guangzhou-based Indian businessman told TNN.

The most sought-after Indian goods are spices followed by cosmetics. Textiles and home decoration pieces are also on sale. Buyers include the vast community of expatriates including Indians, Pakistanis, Japanese, Arabs, Africans and even Europeans who are fond of curried food. More than a million expatriates live in different Chinese cities.

There are more than 100 physical stores selling Indian products in different Chinese cities. These shops, most of whom are run by local traders, also sell online.

Indian products usually sell at a premium ranging from 100 percent to 300 percent over the printed prices but this does not deter buyers who want quality products from India.

"The quality of Indian spices like cardamom and cumin seeds is far superior in India as compared to those sold in local Chinese markets. People start realizing it once they use them. Turmeric has become very popular in China," the businessman said.

Chinese have emerged as the world's biggest international travellers, which has resulted in an enlarged worldview and a desire to taste the foods of different countries. Thousands of restaurants in Chinese cities now feature "chicken curry" on the menu. They use ready-made spice mixtures comprising turmeric and other Indian masalas. Many Chinese housewives also cook curry at home.

A wide range of packaged Indian sweets is also on sale at the online markets. They are mostly purchased by foreigners including Arabs, Europeans, and Americans with a sweet tooth because the average Chinese does not have an affinity for intensely sweet eatables.

The Singles Day has also given a boost to China's clout as an international hub for mobile payments and intelligent logistics, the local media quoted Matthew Crabbe, Asia Pacific research director at consultancy Mintel as saying. The Alipay mobile wallet saw deals at a peak rate of 256,000 transactions per second in China and many foreign countries, according to Alibaba. Robots and algorithms accelerated parcel distribution, it said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 14 Nov 2017 17:07

Peregrine wrote:Chinese appetite for Indian brands hits new high in annual shopping festival

BEIJING: Indian masalas are spicing up the Chinese palate like never before with large numbers of them buying Indian food products during the annual shopping event, the Singles Day, on Saturday.

The shopping carnival saw online markets doing business exceeding $30 billion as millions of consumers bought a wide range of goods, most of which are manufactured in China. Some foreign-made goods including those produced in India, Europe and the US were hawked and purchased.

Indian grocery items, ready-made food and Ayurvedic cosmetic brands like Amul, MDH Masala, Gits, Tata Tea, Haldiram, Dabur, Patanjali and Himalaya, were snapped up on Alibaba's Taobao.com, jd.com and several other Internet marketplaces.


Dangal made many times more money in the PRC than any Bollywood flick ever made in India. Ponder that fact slowly and absorb.

Cheen’s other enemies — the Japs, Koreans and Taiwanese — all make good money from the chini market so it would be shit stupid if we don’t.

The $30B from Alibaba is only one piece of their e-commerce pie. A report on my desk states that another company, JD, made $20B in a similar sales event around the same time. That is $50B (or about the size of our annual defense budget) generated in a few days.

Unlike irrational, retarded, religiously-stunted Pureland, Cheen is brutally pragmatic, mercantile AND open to phoren ideas and cultures (to copy.) They also send more people overseas for travel and education than any other nation on earth, sucking up outside knowledge and trends like a vacuum.

For a commie nation, Cheen is a whole different set of paradigms in the challenges it creates. It is a dictatorship with a printing press and a free market. It is not afraid to let its people travel and experience firangi cultures so it can then steal best practices. It is no Soviet Union with its enclosed economy and restrictions on the movements of its people.

We need a proper strategy and I don’t think it can be just importing war maal or waiting for it to collapse like the USSR. Look at how Cheen rose with investment and market access from its biggest enemies and think.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 14 Nov 2017 18:49

India supports rules-based security architecture - PTI
Prime Minister Narendra Modi today called for intensifying regional cooperation to effectively deal with terrorism and pitched for a rules-based security architecture for the resource-rich region, seen as a veiled reference to China's expansionist posturing in the Indo- Pacific.

In an address at the ASEAN-India summit here, Modi identified terrorism and extremism as the major challenge facing the region and said time has come for the countries of the region to join hands to collectively deal with it.

"We have individually strived very hard to fight terrorism and violent extremism. It is time that we jointly address this challenge by intensifying cooperation in this crucial area," {That's also a reference to China for its continued posture on Masood Azhar} he said.

The 10-nation Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) is considered one of the most influential groupings in the region and India and several other countries including the US, China, Japan and Australia are its dialogue partners.

In a clear reference to the South China Sea (SCS) dispute which has cast a shadow over the summit talks, Modi said India will continue its support to the ASEAN for establishing a rules-based security architecture in the region.

"India assures the ASEAN of its steady support towards achieving a rules-based regional security architecture that best attests to the region s interests and its peaceful development," he said.

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Postby Peregrine » 14 Nov 2017 19:17

China factory output slows as government cracks down on pollution

BEIJING: China's industrial output slowed in October, official data showed on Tuesday, as authorities fight smog by clamping down on pollution produced by heavy industries.

Output at factories and workshops expanded 6.2 per cent on-year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said, slowing from 6.6 per cent in September and below a forecast of 6.3 per cent in a Bloomberg News survey.

The government has moved to wind down production at some steel factories and smelters in a drive to clean up the country's smog-ridden cities. Factories also closed during last month's Communist Party congress, during which President Xi Jinping called for more efforts to protect the environment.

The government is also pushing to make domestic demand a growth driver of the world's second largest economy and make China less reliant on manufacturing and exports.

"Generally speaking, the national economy maintained stable performance with improved quality and sound momentum," NBS spokeswoman Liu Aihua told reporters. "However, we must be aware that China is at a pivotal stage for transforming the growth model," she said, adding that "problems of unbalanced and insufficient economic development was acute".
The readings follow a surge in factory price figures last week.

The clean-air policy, which has been stepped up going into the winter when pollution worsens, has led to tighter supplies and in in turn lifting prices. NBS data showed growth in retail sales slowed to 10 per cent in October, down 0.3 percentage points from September and also short forecasts of 10.5 per cent. Fixed asset investment grew 7.3 per cent on-year from January to October, in line with expectations.

"A cooling property sector and slightly softer foreign demand weighed on the economy last month," Capital Economics analyst Julian Evans-Pritchard wrote in a research note.

"Disruptions from the anti-pollution crackdown in the north-east of the country probably contributed too," he said. However, "these drags continue to be partly offset by still strong infrastructure spending".

This month's figures follow a string of positive indicators suggesting the economy is stabilising, with gross domestic product tipped to grow at a faster pace than the government's target this year.

Trade data last week showed import and export numbers had softened slightly in October.

"China still intends to strike a balance between growth, debt and leveraging," Zhou Hao, an economist at Commerzbank AG in Singapore told Bloomberg News. But, "that said, we need to prepare for some downside bias for the trade and activity data in the coming months".

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Postby nam » 14 Nov 2017 21:06

chola wrote:
Dangal made many times more money in the PRC than any Bollywood flick ever made in India. Ponder that fact slowly and absorb.



Bollywood is the most useful idiots India has ever produced. They have been very useful in Chini and Afghan market for PR.

Bollywood songs are very useful. Chinis have not been able to produce anything similar to bollywood numbers and K-Pop, something they desperately want as part of soft power.

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Postby SSridhar » 15 Nov 2017 07:37

X-posted from Indian Foreign Policy thread.

Post-Doklam, India asserts itself in China’s backyard - Kallol Bhattacherjee, The Hindu
Displaying convergence of interests with the new quadrilateral grouping with U.S., Japan and Australia, India on Tuesday reached out to China’s backyard, addressing an array of issues ranging from the tension in the Korean peninsula to freedom of navigation and sought a crackdown on chemical weapons during the ASEAN and the East Asia summits. A high-level Indian official told The Hindu that New Delhi has emerged as a more dependable partner for South-East Asia following the Doklam faceoff with China, and indicated that the South-East Asian countries expect New Delhi to be assertive with Beijing. “The Doklam standoff was keenly observed by the countries in the SouthEast Asian region that have been absorbing the impact of China’s assertiveness. But the outcome of the Doklam crisis has shown that India has reached a stage where it can be a resilient strategic and defence partner for them,” said the official.

The explanation of India’s post-Doklam international image acquires significance in view of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s one-on-one meeting with Premier Li Keqiang that was held on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit on Tuesday.

Following the meeting the MEA spokesperson took to social media to announce that the meeting signified, “two neighbours in deep conversation.”

Elaborating on the counter-China angle, the high-level official said the Southeast Asian region had been facing uncertainties following the exit of President Barack Obama as he took visible interest in the region.

However, the latest visits by the leaders of the quadrilateral countries, including by the new U.S. President Donald Trump have once again assured support to these countries as they face China’s commercial and military domination.

In this context, he said the fundamental change in India’s foreign affairs is in its embrace of the big ticket issues of East Asia like the North Korean nuclear crisis as well.

“Prime Minister Narendra Modi shared concerns of DPRK’s pursuit of missiles and nuclear weapons and called for complete verification and irreversible denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula. He also said that North Korea’s proliferation links must be investigated and the parties who have supported these unlawful programmes must be made accountable,” Preeti Saran, Secretary in charge of eastern ties in the Ministry of External Affairs said at a media briefing explaining India’s position.

The issue of North Korea’s has been mentioned in the press statement of the United States following first official level discussion of the ‘Quad’ held on 12 November here.

The anonymous Indian official said that taking up of North Korean threats was part of a new Indian set of concerns that also covers major global issues like terrorism by the Islamic State and its capability to inflict mass casualties, and tensions in the South China Sea that concern the world as well as India.

“The North Korean nuclear missiles are not just problematic for the U.S., but for the entire world, including us, as Pyongyang’s missiles are capable of hitting targets in different parts of the world,” said the diplomat.

The situation in the South China Sea also featured in the statement of Prime Minister Modi in the ASEAN who asked for upholding of the ‘rules based regional security architecture’, an expression often described to refer to China’s opposition to adhere to the UN laws of the seas (UNCLOS).

The official source elaborated that India remains concerned about China’s manmade structures in the South China Sea that are likely to create navigational problems and international friction and said, “As of now there is a jockeying for power between the US and China that is going on in South China Sea but in future we anticipate that identification (of vessels or aircraft) can be raised by the other (Chinese) side,” he said.

India also pushed for a total ban on chemical weapons in the region {a reference to North Korea which hasn't signed the Chemical Weapons Convention} and for an end to terrorist financing. “The biggest issue facing counter-terror efforts has been the inability of powerful countries to stop flow of funds to the terror groups,” said the diplomat elaborating that the agreements on terror financing, chemical weapons and de-radicalisation adopted at the East Asia Summit will help the region cope with the threat of terrorism effectively in future.

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Postby Prem » 15 Nov 2017 07:58

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south- ... inese-firm
Nepal scraps hydropower deal with Chinese firm

KATHMANDU • Nepal has cancelled an agreement with a Chinese company to build the largest hydroelectric plant in the impoverished landlocked country, which suffers from chronic energy shortages.The project, agreed in June, would have nearly doubled Nepal's current hydropower production and cost an estimated US$2.5 billion (S$3.4 billion).But the Finance Ministry recommended it to be scrapped, saying it had been awarded without an open and transparent bidding process, according to letters seen by Agence France-Presse yesterday.The government signed an agreement with the Chinese state-owned China Gezhouba Group Corporation (CGGC) in June to build the 1,200MW Budhi-Gandaki hydroelectric plant. The deal followed Nepal's decision to sign up to China's One Belt, One Road initiative, a massive infrastructure drive at the centre of the Asian giant's push to expand its global influence.China's creeping influence in Nepal has been closely watched by India, which has traditionally played the role of big brother to its small Himalayan neighbour.A Nepal representative for CGGC said they were surprised by the government's decision. "We had done quite a lot of work for the project... Such decision is bound to alarm not just us but any investor. There is fear among other foreign companies as well," said CGGC public relations manager Om Bandhu Karki.

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Postby SSridhar » 15 Nov 2017 08:18

Prem wrote:http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/nepal-scraps-hydropower-deal-with-chinese-firm
Nepal scraps hydropower deal with Chinese firm


Indian Co. to get it?
In a decision which could have far reaching consequences in the region and for China, Nepal cancelled the Budhi Gandaki hydropower project which had been contracted to a Chinese company. Unconfirmed reports said the project might go to India's NHPC instead. The decision is significant, since the agreement with the Chinese company came weeks after Nepal agreed to join Chinese President Xi Jinping's Belt and Road Initiative.


If that happens that would be a sort of justice for the Male airport incident.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vijaykarthik » 15 Nov 2017 09:13

An interesting thing happened over the week:

Chabahar port opened and accepted the first wheat shipment from India: https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/first-i ... ahar-port/

On Sunday, India sent its first-ever shipment of wheat to Afghanistan through the strategically located Iranian port of Chabahar, which New Delhi has financially backed. The shipment is the first in a series of six shipments that will be delivered to Afghanistan over the “next few months,” according to a statement released by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs. The Indian shipment left from Gujarat’s Kandla port for Chabahar.

“The shipment is part of commitment made by the Government of India to supply 1.1 million tonnes of wheat for the people of Afghanistan on grant basis,” the Indian External Affairs Ministry noted in its statement. Indian External Affairs Ministers Sushma Swaraj, along with Afghan Foreign Minister Salahuddin Rabbani, through a video conference, observed the first shipment.

“The two Foreign Ministers welcomed the fact that this is the first shipment that would be going to Afghanistan through the Chabahar port after Trilateral Agreement on Establishment of International Transport and Transit Corridor was signed during the visit of the Prime Minister of India to Iran in May 2016,” the Indian statement noted.

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After more than a decade of consideration and negotiation, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had signed a trilateral agreement with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani present last year to open the Chabahar route to Iran during his visit to Iran last year. India and Iran first began discussing the prospect of Indian investment in Chabahar in 2003.

“I congratulate Afghanistan & Iran on Indian wheat shipment being flagged off from Kandla to Afghanistan through Chabahar,” Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi noted on Twitter. “This development marks a new chapter in regional cooperation & connectivity,” Modi added. India has committed up to $500 million toward the Chabahar trade route, which includes funding for parts of the land-based route that connects the port across Iranian territory to western Afghanistan.

For India, the route represents a strategically attractive opportunity to trade with Afghanistan by bypassing Pakistan. Islamabad does not allow its territory to be used for land-based trade between Afghanistan and India, two countries that maintain poor diplomatic relationships with Pakistan. In addition to Chabahar, India conducts limited air-based trade with Afghanistan via a new air freight corridor.

The first shipment of Indian wheat through Chabahar comes just weeks after U.S. President Donald J. Trump outlined a new U.S. strategy for Afghanistan that welcomed a robust role for India economically in the country. Moreover, during his recent visit to New Delhi, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson reinforced U.S. support for a strong Indian economic presence in Afghanistan.

While the strategic benefits of the Chabahar trade route have long been touted by India and Afghanistan, a declining security situation in western Afghanistan could endanger trade convoys, which would have to bypass territory held by Taliban and other militants to reach Kabul and other major Afghan urban centers.

India is Afghanistan’s top export destination. In 2016, $220 million of Afghanistan’s $483 million in total trade went to India, which accounted for 46 percent of Afghan exports. India is a considerably less significant source of imports for Afghanistan, having accounted for just 2.0 percent of Afghanistan’s total imports in 2016. Of $3.77 billion in Afghan imports that year, just $73.6 million came from India. Iran, Pakistan, China, and Kazakhstan were Afghanistan’s top four import origins in 2016.



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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vijaykarthik » 15 Nov 2017 09:19

^ - why am I adding it here. This will be our counter strategy to the BRI and it means we haven't been mute spectators but have been working upward in the night to ensure that we have some strategic access too. Not all is lost yet.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vijaykarthik » 15 Nov 2017 09:20

We have reached 259 pages now, time to start a new thread to make it smaller?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 15 Nov 2017 12:16

Yes, thanks for pointing out.


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