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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 05 Nov 2017 14:50

Waiting for Cheen to start a war before countering will be a losing strategy, IMHO. Cheen hadn’t fought a war in 50 years and yet it has taken over a massive body of water nearly the same size as the Indian subcontinent.

They build not only ships and aircraft but islands to stake their claims. They continually encrouch in the gray zone with numbers. They will never fight in the open like good warriors (or bad ones like the pakis.)

Unless we are willing to start a war (unlike the bad strategy of a face saver we gave the PRC at Doklam,) we will wake up one day and the IOR will be a Chini lake without a shot fired. The long term trajectory of economy, industry and technology favor the PRC and can only be disrupted with war.

So either go to war before their production dominates the IOR or create a MIC that matches theirs. Those are our choices. Simply arming ourselves with more imported weapons won’t help unless we actually use them.

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/china-unveils-massive-island-building-vessel/articleshow/61507495.cms

China unveils massive island-building vessel

AFP | 14 hours ago


BEIJING: China has unveiled a massive ship described as a "magic island maker" that is Asia's largest dredging vessel, state media reported today.

The ship, capable of building artificial islands of the sort the country has constructed in the contested South China Sea, was launched Friday at a port in eastern Jiangsu province, according to the state-owned China Daily.
The boat named Tian Kun Hao is capable of digging 6,000 cubic meters an hour, the equivalent of three standard swimming pools, the newspaper said.

It is a larger version of the one China used to dredge sand, mud and coral for transforming reefs and islets in the South China Sea into artificial islands capable of hosting military installations.

When testing of the ship is completed next June, it will be the most powerful such vessel in Asia, the paper noted, nicknaming it the "magic island maker".


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 05 Nov 2017 17:52

Other nations should emulate China in its own backyard.If attacked they should likewise respond.The US can build "islands for its allies and friends.Watch the Chins hyperventilate and soil their shenyis when that happens.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ashish raval » 05 Nov 2017 19:04

Philip wrote:Other nations should emulate China in its own backyard.If attacked they should likewise respond.The US can build "islands for its allies and friends.Watch the Chins hyperventilate and soil their shenyis when that happens.

Agreed. We should be building island chain from Chennai to Andaman and Mauritius and claim Indian ocean region. Those who do not allow us to go into their water will not be allowed in our water too..from Mauritius to andaman.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Lisa » 06 Nov 2017 00:44

From China Military Watch - August 9, 2014, by me,

"Need to change mindset,

What if India starts making similar islands in the South China Sea ?"

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Katare » 06 Nov 2017 00:56

I think in recent past, even if I look worldwide, only shri Modi ji have been able to beat the China in their game of creeping hegemony.

Think for a second, he sent army with buldozers to demolish what chinese built, forcibly evicted them and occupied the site that was located in the territory of a third country. To top that off, the armed forces stayed there and we didn’t even bother to look for a plausible deniability story. GoI flat out declared that - yes we are there, yes we destroyed your road with heavy equipments, yes it’s not Indian territory, no we won’t allow you to build anything there, no we won’t retreet unless you agree to our conditions and if you want a fight,well bring it on bitch!

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Postby Peregrine » 06 Nov 2017 01:00

Lookie Lookie who is "Yellowing" their Pants!

X Posted on the Analyzing CPEC and Terroristan Threads

China hopes India-US-Australia-Japan quadrilateral won't damage 'third party'

BEIJING: China is worried that India, United States, Japan and Australia will work together to undermine its international influence with the revival of their quadrilateral dialogue.

The first meeting of the dialogue would take place after a break of nearly a decade on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit in Manila on November 13. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to attend the summit.

Chinese foreign ministry expressed hope that the dialogue is not used for "targeting or damaging third party's interest".
The ministry stated, " China has noticed the relevant news reports . We hope the collaboration among relevant countries could comply with the trend of times, which refers to peace, development, cooperation and shared benefits, and conform to the prospect of... common security and development.

"We hope it would be beneficial for improving mutual trust among countries and regions, and at the same time, safeguard and promote peace, tranquillity, and prosperity within the area, without targeting or damaging a third party's interest."

US President Donald Trump arrived in Japan as part of his Asia tour on Sunday. The concept of quadrilateral dialogue was mooted in 2007 but has not made any progress since then.

A Chinese expert, Prof Lian Degui of Shanghai International Studies University, said India can hardly contribute to the development in the region because it's struggling with its own economic challenges.

"If the US, Japan, Australia and India can coordinate and support infrastructure construction and economic development of Indo-Pacific countries, they are more than welcome. But if they try to incorporate values into economic issues and display prejudice and hostility toward other countries,they will not bring stability to the region," Lian wrote in Global Times. Chinawala shiveling in Yellow Pants!

"A US, saddled with a tight budget, a financially indebted Japan, an Australia eyeing a free ride on China's economic development, and an India still struggling to become a developed country, can hardly spare any effort to contribute to public good," Lian argued in the Beijing-based magazine.

"Geopolitical competition and value judgements are affecting the way the US and Japan articulate their political and economic policies. Last year, Abe proposed the 'free and open Indo-Pacific strategy', echoing Obama administration's rebalancing the Asia-Pacific policy and the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, both of which aim at putting China in check. If they stick to such a mindset, they will miss crucial development opportunities offered by this era," Lian wrote.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Masaru » 06 Nov 2017 02:59

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2118421/hunt-ming-dynasty-admiral-zheng-hes-lost-treasure-ship-heats

Study off coast of Sri Lanka, where massive vessel that was part of Chinese adventurer’s fleet sank 600 years ago, has delivered ‘positive results'

Since 2015, a team of scientists and archaeologists funded by the Chinese government and using advanced military-grade sensing equipment, has conducted multiple surveys of the sea floor along the Sri Lankan coastline in the hope of locating the sunken treasure ship. The hope now is that the traces of evidence they have found can finally lead them to their goal.

“The investigation is still at a primitive stage,” said Professor Prishanta Gunawardhana from the department of archaeology at the University of Kelaniya and the lead researcher on the Sri Lankan side. “A new study will take place in two weeks,” he said on Wednesday.

“We will use some advanced equipment brought over by our Chinese partners”, including a synthesised aperture sonar system capable of producing extremely high resolution images of underwater targets, he said.

The mission will be led by Professor Hu Changqing, director of the Shanghai Acoustics Laboratory at the Chinese Academy of Sciences. Hu has been involved in military projects and developed many new technologies for the Chinese navy, including a passive sonar system that allows submarines to avoid dangerous suboceanic currents. He could not be reached for comment.


Some historical context of how this had turned out back in 1410 for the Sri Lankans. This the fate that awaits the BRI and CPEC participants. So much for peaceful rise and never having had colonial aspirations. BRI and CPEC is resurrection of a colonial enterprise from the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming%E2%80%93Kotte_War

Though accounts vary, the sea battle in which Zheng’s ship (or ships) were lost did not start well for the adventurer. Despite the size and power of his fleet, he was met with huge resistance from a force of about 50,000 people summoned by Ceylon’s King Alakeshvara.

According to one account, Zheng tactically deserted the naval battle and managed to land with 2,000 elite soldiers. They then cut through dense forest and launched a surprise attack on the king’s palace and took him hostage.

A century later, Chinese writer Yang Rong reflected on Zheng’s victory in a poem:
“Straight-away, their dens and hideouts we ravaged, and made captive that entire country, bringing back to our august capital, their women, children, families and retainers, leaving no one.”
As Yang wrote, Zheng returned to Beijing with the “disobedient” King Alakeshvara and his family and presented them to Ming emperor Yong Le. The emperor showed mercy and allowed them to return to Ceylon, but a new king had already been installed in his former kingdom.


Earlier studies off the coast of Sri Lanka, which is close to several major shipping lanes, had been closely monitored by Indian officials, a researcher said on condition of anonymity.
“India treats the Indian Ocean as its home water. Any activity undertaken by China here is going to put nerves on edge, but we have got used to it,” the researcher said.

India’s foreign ministry did not respond to the Post’s request for comment.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 06 Nov 2017 08:02

China hopes India-US-Australia-Japan quadrilateral won't damage 'third party' - Saibal Dasgupta, ToI
China is worried that India, United States, Japan and Australia will work together to undermine its international influence with the revival of their quadrilateral dialogue.

The first meeting of the dialogue would take place after a break of nearly a decade on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit in Manila on November 13. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to attend the summit.

Chinese foreign ministry expressed hope that the dialogue is not used for "targeting or damaging third party's interest".

The ministry stated, " China has noticed the relevant news reports+ . We hope the collaboration among relevant countries could comply with the trend of times, which refers to peace, development, cooperation and shared benefits, and conform to the prospect of... common security and development.

"We hope it would be beneficial for improving mutual trust among countries and regions, and at the same time, safeguard and promote peace, tranquillity, and prosperity within the area, without targeting or damaging a third party's interest."


US President Donald Trump arrived in Japan as part of his Asia tour on Sunday. The concept of quadrilateral dialogue+ was mooted in 2007 but has not made any progress since then.

A Chinese expert, Prof Lian Degui of Shanghai International Studies University, said India can hardly contribute to the development in the region because it's struggling with its own economic challenges.

"If the US, Japan, Australia and India can coordinate and support infrastructure construction and economic development of Indo-Pacific countries, they are more than welcome. But if they try to incorporate values into economic issues and display prejudice and hostility toward other countries, they will not bring stability to the region," Lian wrote in Global Times.

"A US, saddled with a tight budget, a financially indebted Japan, an Australia eyeing a free ride on China's economic development, and an India still struggling to become a developed country, can hardly spare any effort to contribute to public good," Lian argued in the Beijing-based magazine.

"Geopolitical competition and value judgements are affecting the way the US and Japan articulate their political and economic policies. Last year, Abe proposed the 'free and open Indo-Pacific strategy', echoing Obama administration's rebalancing the Asia-Pacific policy and the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, both of which aim at putting China in check. If they stick to such a mindset, they will miss crucial development opportunities offered by this era," Lian wrote.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 06 Nov 2017 12:28

Yuan will enter a ‘new era’ or ‘Minsky moment’ - Sivakumar Sivaprakasam, Himadri Bhattacharya, The Hindu
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Addressing the recently held 19th congress of the communist party of China, president Xi declared that China had entered a ‘New Era’. In political terms, the message is amply clear: more absolute power in his hands for a longer tenure.

The economic prospects are not that certain, though, with the steadily increasing prospects of a turmoil in China's financial markets triggered by a debt crisis and a sharp depreciation in the exchange rate of the yuan.

And, in good measure, the government-owned funds in China, the so-called 'National Team', remained active to curb volatility in the equity market during the congress.


It is commonly agreed that China built trade and current account surpluses over successive decades by keeping the yuan artificially weak, which facilitated its emergence as a global manufacturing powerhouse. Between 2000-2014, Chinese authorities allowed the yuan to appreciate about 27% against the dollar, to encourage domestic consumption and offset persistent criticism of its exchange rate policy.

Since 2014, however, sustained pressure of capital outflows from residents led to a 10% fall in the yuan, despite massive intervention by PBoC, which sold a total of $790 billion in 2015 and 2016. The calm for most part of 2017 so far notwithstanding, there is a danger that yuan can fall further and faster, going forward. This will but be a manifestation of the broad vulnerabilities facing the Chinese economy in transition to its next aspirational epoch. We see four distinct road bumps in China's economic path ahead: current debt built-up, bare adequacy of forex reserves, excessive capital controls and weak spots in US-China trade relation.

Four road bumps

First, the short-term foreign debt by residual maturity was very high at $871 billion in 2016 and debt service to exports ratio rose significantly from 25.1% in 2012 to 39.9% in 2016.

The total non-financial corporate debt which reached a high of 235% of GDP in 2016 is projected to increase to 290% of GDP by 2022. Interestingly, post the global financial crisis, the state owned enterprises (SOEs), whose aggregate assets are now about 200% of China's GDP, have accounted for a significantly large portion of the rise in the overall corporate debt to GDP ratio.

This is particularly worrying as SOEs with questionable governance and business practices have become the focal point of debt vulnerability
in overlap with zombie companies and excess capacity firms in ten vital sectors. These are: coal, steel, cement, plated glass, aluminum, chemicals, paper, solar power, shipbuilding and coal-fueled power.

The corresponding picture for public debt is not rosy either. As per IMF calculations, public debt, including the debts of local government funding vehicles (LGFVs) and government-guided funds, was 62% of GDP in 2016 and is projected to reach 92%in 2022. The corresponding fiscal deficit to GDP ratio in 2016 was 12%.

Further, the ratio of household debt to GDP is 44% — well above the emerging market average. Overall, the strategy of debt-fuelled high growth as per the compulsions of the so-called Beijing consensus has probably run its full course.

Second, the IMF metric for Assessment of Reserves Adequacy is based on differential weighting of short-term foreign debt, portfolio liabilities, broad money and exports. For China, it comes to $2,118 billion as the lower bound, with the upper bound higher at 1.5 times the lower bound — $3,177 billion. China’s current forex reserves at $3,109 billion is a tad below the upper bound.

The moot point here is how much of forex reserves is in liquid form to help defend the yuan? Various estimates put it in the range of $1-2 trillion, Given the sharp fall in the ratio of forex reserves to broad money during the last five years (22% in 2012 to 13.3% in 2016), it is doubtful if the liquid forex reserves are sufficient to arrest the yuan's fall, if the residents trigger another bout of capital outflows. Table 1 shows the trend in reserves and Table 2 the value of the yuan between 2000-17. The upshot here is that the risks of rising U.S. rates, trade protectionism and major armed conflicts can test the adequacy of China’s forex reserves, given the underlying external and domestic debt vulnerabilities and likely pressures of capital outflows by residents.

Third, capital controls in China are still extensive and strict, when it comes to the ability of residents to move money abroad. There are rules for outbound investment in sectors which are grouped as banned, restricted and encouraged.

Overseas investments in line with state thinking such as in the belt road initiative are encouraged while real estate and portfolio investments are discouraged. However, as is always the case with capital controls anywhere, if the economic incentives are strong enough, residents will find a way to move money cross-border.

In China, the temptation to do so is rising with its deepening debt problem and the current over-valuation of the yuan, which, as per the BIS, is about 20%. There are signs that residents are using creative ways to move money abroad: through tourism, for example.


The overseas tourism outflow rose from 0.9% of GDP in 2012 to 2.2% in 2016. Spending by Chinese tourists abroad in 2016 was $246 billion, a more than threefold rise over 2012. Fourth is the political economy considerations of U.S.-China trade relations. The U.S. Treasury follows a three-point objective criteria for embarking on a detailed review to name a country as a currency manipulator: trade surplus in excess of $20 billion, current account balance greater than 3% of GDP and one-sided forex intervention greater than 2% of GDP in 12 months.

Risk of U.S. sanctions

While China currently meets only one of them, the scale of its persistent trade surplus vis-a-vis the U.S. is a boiling political issue. President Trump has followed a softer stance on trade issues with China since assumption of office than he did in his election campaign, possibly in his bid to obtain China's support in dealing with North Korea. However, if this turns out to be a miscalculation, and President Xi finds a menacing North Korea a better bet than a destabilised one, then imposition of U.S. trade sanctions on China becomes a distinct possibility.

The logic of economics says that the yuan should depreciate in line with China's fundamentals, counterbalanced by the authorities' need for stability. The longer it is delayed, overshooting becomes a distinct possibility and a ‘Minsky Moment’ can happen. Paradoxically, massive forex reserves, meant to assure stability, may themselves lead to instability.
If it happens, reverberations will be felt far and wide, including in India.

(Sivakumar Sivaprakasam is MD, Argonaut Global Capital LLC, U.S. Himadri Bhattacharya is senior adviser, Riskontroller Global.)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 06 Nov 2017 14:21

China objects to Nirmala Sitharaman's visit to Arunachal Pradesh - PTI
China today objected to Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman's first visit to Arunachal Pradesh, saying her tour of the "disputed area" is not conducive to the peace and tranquillity in the region.

Sitharaman yesterday visited forward army posts in remote Anjaw district of Arunachal Pradesh bordering China to take stock of the defence preparedness.

"As to Indian Defence Minister visit to Arunachal Pradesh, you must be very clear about China's position," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told a media briefing.

"There is a dispute on the eastern section of the China- India boundary. So this visit by the Indian side to the disputed area is not conducive to the peace and tranquillity of the relevant region," she said in a response to a question.

The Indian side should work with the Chinese side to make contribution to properly revolving the issue through dialogue and create enabling environment and conditions, she said.

"Hope India will work China for the shared goal, seek a solution acceptable to both sides and accommodate our concerns in a balanced way," she said.


Sitharaman had visited Nathu La area on the India-China border in Sikkim last month and greeted the People's Liberation Army soldiers across the border.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 06 Nov 2017 16:41

To paraphrase Hua Chunying " China has a concern that India can do a Bangladesh to Tibet from two locations, 1. Doklam 2. Tawang. Even though you (Indians​) guys say you don't have such intentions, but we are afraid, when push comes to shove, you guys may actually do that. So you guys please don't visit those sites, let those areas be untouched, so that we can sleep a good night's sleep. Please please please"

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby yensoy » 06 Nov 2017 17:25

^^^^ No, that is not their fear. It is just stating the obvious for the record; and showing consistent and unbroken objections to strengthen their legal position on the matter.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 06 Nov 2017 17:31

China military ordered to pledge 'absolute' loyalty to President Xi Jinping

This has become a mantra that is being repeated ad nauseam by the Chinese Party ever since Xi Jinping took over. That shows that there is trouble within the PLA.

There is no surprise here. Xi aggressively downsized PLA Army as part of the strategy to vastly expand the naval power and the strategic forces. The top Chinese leaders have carefully studied war history, especially the history of Europe as Alfred Thayer Mahan did, and are convinced that seapower is essential for conquering the world and re-establishing the Middle Kingdom, this time much larger than the mere periphery that Imperial China was interested in. The PLA Army is not of much use in his venture, only the naval forces and stand-off rocketry.

If some General Secretaries of the CPC, including Chairman Mao, have struggled to keep a tight leash over the PLA, Xi Jinping seems to have a bigger problem. This is surprising, on one count, because he has been associated with the PLA from his young party apparatchik days. He has worked with many current PLA Generals who were at that time in junior positions. But, on another count, his aggressive anti-corruption drive that hit several top PLA leadership and his immense downsizing of the PLA Army in just one go, have created problems for him.

These were clearly evident recently. Xi also revamped the CMC during the 19th Congress reducing its strength from 11 to 8. The three service chiefs were excluded though the Rocket Force Chief (the fourth service line that Xi introduced in 2016) was in. Just weeks before the 19th Congress, Xi had ousted the topmost CMC General (next only to Xi who is, of course, the Commander), Gen. Fang Fenghui, along with his deputy, Gen. Zhang Yang (who was the Director of the military’s Political Work Department), who were both members of the CMC, on charges of corruption. The three deputies of Zhang Yang were also removed from the list of nearly 250 PLA delegates to the 19th CPC Congress. Gen. Fang Fenghui’s removal as PLA Chief happened on the same day as the Doka La stand-off with India came to an end triggering off speculation that the stand-off might have earned the General the displeasure of Xi Jinping. It is worth recalling that before Fang was elevated as PLA Chief, he was the Commander of the Chengdu Military Region which was responsible for India borders.

However, IMO, Gen. Fenghui's removal may not have much (or even anything) to do with Doka La. Along with Fenghui, the Chief of Political Work Department, Gen. Zhang Yang, and his three deputies were also removed. This is significant because the Political Work Department serves as the bridge between the CPC and the PLA. The PLA is after all not a national force but a Party force. Their first loyalty is to the Party. Therefore, Gen. Zhang Yang's removal denotes that "Xi's Thoughts" and his "Four Comprehensives" had not been sufficiently appreciated within the PLA necessitating in a wholesale removal. This also means that there is resistance within the PLA for Xi's governance.

We know of unprecedented purge in political leadership by Xi, like Bo Xilai (a Politburo member), Zhou Yongkang (an ex-PSC member and internal security chief under Hu Jintao), Ling Jihua (Chief of Staff to Hu Jintao), Sun Zhengcai et al. In mid-2016 news emerged of Jiang Zemin's son being under house arrest.

But, military generals have been equally purged. It is not a coincidence that both Generals (Fenghui & Yang) were elevated to their position by Hu. Xi had already gotten rid of two Hu top Generals two years earlier. One was Gen Guo Boxiong, Vice Chairman of CMC (as high as it gets). Gen. Guo had been the Vice Chairman of CMC for ten long years. Another was Xu Caihou, another Vice Chairman of the CMC. Both were reputed to be Jiang Zemin's men. In August, 2016, Gen. Wang Jianping, deputy to Gen. Fang Fenghui, was removed on corruption charges.

Xi has consistently disregarded warnings from both Ziang and Hu about the anti-corruption drive. After purging Jiang's and Hu's men, Xi should be feeling very confident now.

It is in this context that we have to look at the Daulat Beg Oldi sector incident when PLA troops incurred just ahead of Li Keqiang's India visit in c. 2013. Li's visit came after Xi had personally requested Man Mohan Singh at the Durban meeting of BRICS in March, 2013 to somehow squeeze in Li's visit before May itself. It is inconceivable that Xi would have also ordered his Army to incur at the same time after such a personal request and even as the two leadership had not yet established much of a contact. The incursion continued for 21 days and put Li's visit in jeoardy. This was soon followed by the Chumar incident which occurred on June 17, 2013 just two weeks before the first ever visit by an Indian defence minister (A.K.Antony) in seven years. During the Chinese President, Xi Jinping’s state visit in September 2014, there were two incidents in Depsang and again Chumar. In fact, the Chumar incident rapidly spun out of control and a thousand troops each were deployed along the LAC facing each other. The embarrassing (for Xi Jinping) stand-off continued even as Xi was a guest of the State in India. This showed Xi in very poor light that he was unable to control his own Army. After Xi returned to Beijing, he called for the PLA to completely obey the CPC, an admission of disobedience.

Ever since then, these calls to PLA to show total obedience have been regular and frequent. The above is the latest in this series.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 06 Nov 2017 17:48

So, what does the latest order to PLA say?

The world's largest armed forces should be "absolutely loyal, honest and reliable to Xi", said a new guideline issued by the Central Military Commission. "The army should follow Xi's command, answer to his order, and never worry him," Xinhua quoted the guideline as saying.

On Sunday, a song titled "Be a good soldier for Chairman Xi" was released by the People's Armed Police, a paramilitary force under the Military Commission.

Nearly a half-century ago, the army sang "Be a good soldier for Chairman Mao".


The revamped CMC is furiously working diligently.

Also, more evidence that Xi is being equated with Mao.

Only Chairmanship (that Mao had) remains eluding Xi.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby anupmisra » 06 Nov 2017 17:57

yensoy wrote:^^^^ No, that is not their fear. It is just stating the obvious for the record; and showing consistent and unbroken objections to strengthen their legal position on the matter.


For once I agree with your opinion. Nowhere in Yeh Kya Hua's offical statement did she say that chinisthan objects to the defence minister's visit to the forward areas in Anjaw. Hua just stated the obvious to which the Indian side could respond in kind with something like...

"The Chinese are put on notice about India's position on the demarcated borders and line of control matters with any of its neighbors including China. While there may be a unilateral or bilateral dispute on certain sections of the China-India boundary, India, just like China, has historically and will continue to retain the right of visit by military and elected Indian leaders to our side of the borders as part of India's sincere efforts to maintain "peace and tranquility" with its neighbors. No advance notice is therefore required or shall be provided."

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby anupmisra » 06 Nov 2017 18:08

SSridhar wrote:
The world's largest armed forces should be "absolutely loyal, honest and reliable to Xi", said a new guideline issued by the Central Military Commission. Only Chairmanship (that Mao had) remains eluding Xi.


Amazing! Forget chairmanship (that was so Mao'ish"). Comrade Eleven Gin Peg is clearly seeking emperorship of chinisthan. Since its founding, the chini army never owed allegiance to the nation (by its very charter), was only aligned with the communist party (till this recent dictate), and now will only owe its sustenance to the newly crowned emperor. Only XI can wage war. And, as we all know, emperorship is lifelong. No more (fake) elections. Expect more belligerence at the borders and naval armadas to distant seas.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 06 Nov 2017 20:59

China's references and objections regarding AP, are very obnoxious and polluting. Reinforces that whole repellent middle kingdom/celestial empire/mighty super dragon ugliness. AP is beautiful and free within India, not to mention unregimented, democratic and content.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 07 Nov 2017 06:51

But, the point to take note of is that the Chinese never miss the slightest opportunity to articulate and reinforce their position. This is done constantly on every issue. We do not do that.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby abhik » 07 Nov 2017 08:33

Just summarily ban Chinese electrical goods (or solar cells or some other thing) and dare them to object again.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 07 Nov 2017 14:36

US Navy carrier drills with Japanese, Indian navy in Sea of Japan - Reuters

This is something out of the blue, at least for me. I wasn't aware of any scheduled exercise. Ex. Malabar for 2017 just finished in July off Chennai Coast.

The US Navy carrier, the USS Ronald Reagan, conducted three days of drills with a Japanese destroyer and two Indian warships in the Sea of Japan, Japan's navy said on Tuesday.

The exercise involving five ships, which ended Monday, came amid heightened tension in the region over North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear tests+ and as US President Donald Trump began a 12-day tour of Asia beginning in Japan on Sunday.

"The exercise helped improve fighting skills and deepened cooperation with India," Japan's Maritime Self Defence Force said in a press release.


The 100,000-ton Reagan, which is based in Japan carries around 70 combat aircraft and is the US Navy's most powerful warship in Asia.

The Reagan will join two other carriers in the Western Pacific, the USS Nimitz and USS Theodore Roosevelt, in a potent reminder to Pyongyang of the US ability to rapidly mobilize military force, U.S. officials told Reuters earlier.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby yensoy » 07 Nov 2017 16:45

anupmisra wrote:
yensoy wrote:^^^^ No, that is not their fear. It is just stating the obvious for the record; and showing consistent and unbroken objections to strengthen their legal position on the matter.


For once I agree with your opinion. Nowhere in Yeh Kya Hua's offical statement did she say that chinisthan objects to the defence minister's visit to the forward areas in Anjaw. Hua just stated the obvious to which the Indian side could respond in kind with something like...

"The Chinese are put on notice about India's position on the demarcated borders and line of control matters with any of its neighbors including China. While there may be a unilateral or bilateral dispute on certain sections of the China-India boundary, India, just like China, has historically and will continue to retain the right of visit by military and elected Indian leaders to our side of the borders as part of India's sincere efforts to maintain "peace and tranquility" with its neighbors. No advance notice is therefore required or shall be provided."


Chinese position is that "it is not disputed", the land belongs to them. That is what they said during Doklam and that is what they are saying in SCS and all other places where there is a dispute. That is how Chinese talk.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 07 Nov 2017 19:00

Indo-Pacific proposal to contain China ‘media speculation’, says Foreign Ministry - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
China on Tuesday dismissed the proposed Indo-Pacific security arrangement among the United States, Japan, India and Australia to contain China’s rise as “media speculation” and timed its remarks a day ahead of U.S. President Donald Trump’s arrival in Beijing.

In response to a question, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying signaled that the Indo-Pacific region was part of the global commons.

She said that the Indo-Pacific - an area in the Pacific and the Indian Ocean on either side of the Malacca straits - was a “dynamic region” with the biggest potential in the world. She stressed that that “stability and peace” in the Indo-Pacific was of great importance to ensure the prosperity of the region. Analysts point out that China stood opposed to any attempts to exercise military dominance by any country or set of countries over the area, which is vital to international trade.


Ms. Hua’s observations follow the remarks made by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Monday.

At a joint press conference in Tokyo with President Trump, Mr. Abe said that Tokyo and Washington “concurred” that they should beef up cooperation to realise “a free and open Indo-Pacific”, Japanese media reported. Mr. Abe first unveiled his "Free and Open Indo-Pacific Strategy" last year. According to Nikkei Asian Review, the Japanese premier’s approach involving the U.S, India and Australia as the other partners, “is partly intended to keep in check China's growing presence in the region under its "One Belt, One Road" initiative, aimed at extending its reach beyond its borders”.

But in China, there is quiet confidence that Beijing and Washington will be able to establish a special relationship, based on deep mutual interests, allowing China to remain unaffected by the fledgling Indo-Pacific doctrine.

“The US is still using a 2010 strategic White Paper which indicated that the way to contain China was to use India, in alliance with the Philippines, Australia, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea as part of a containment strategy,” says Einar Tangen, a Beijing-based political commentator.

In a conversation with The Hindu, he points out that only India, Australia, Japan and the U.S remain possible participants. “Given the uncertainty around Trump’s long- term strategy, South Korea may not commit to China containment and a sea change in Australia’s direction is possible, given Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s domestic problems and Australia’s reliance on China for trade,” he observed.


Ahead of the U.S President’s arrival, observers point out that Mr. Trump’s stance towards China is likely to be shaped by the three major influences.

The national security establishment in Washington is the chief advocate of the “free and open Indo-Pacific” arrangement.

Then there are the “trade hawks” who are saying that the President should show more steel in demanding greater market access for U.S products.

But the two views may be trumped by the position associated with the President’s son-in-law Jared Kushner. Mr. Kushner, who has been credited with facilitating the April meeting in Mar-a-Lago between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Mr. Trump views China and U.S as indispensable partners.

On Friday, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Zheng Zeguang was upbeat in his remarks at a media briefing, when he said that Mr. Jinping and Mr. Trump “expected to map out a blueprint for the development of bilateral ties in a new era”.

Mr. Zeguang said that apart from formal engagements, the two leaders will get sufficient time for "informal interactions".
He highlighted that the two Presidents will have “strategic communication on significant issues of common concern to build new consensus, enhance mutual understanding and friendship, and promote bilateral relations in all spheres”.

Mr. Trump has described Mr. Jinping in the U.S media as “a very good person”. In China there is considerable talk about the warm “personal chemistry” between the two men, built over personal meetings and regular telephonic conversations.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 08 Nov 2017 01:14

Typical Yanqui duplicity.So much for the "Great Quadilateral",with India, OZ and Japan the 3 patsys!
Look at Trump.All he's interested in are billions of arms sales.Same tactic with the rest of the world.Scaremongering everyone,predicting trouble from the ranks of the ungodly,forcing as many as possible to buy expensive US arms.It may be farfetched but not outside the realm of possibility that the crisis in Korea is orchestrated by the Mil-industrial familia.As in that classic film Network,there are no nations only corporations.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Nov 2017 07:24

Philip wrote:Typical Yanqui duplicity.

Duplicity has been the hallmark of all US Administration and that is why Japan is quite wary of the US and is proposing a coalition. With Trump, the trust-quotient of the US has nose-dived. The quiet optimism of the Chinese over a successful and favourable Xi-Trump meeting is a case in point. But, in any case, we have to wait for a while more to see what exactly transpires in Beijing and in the East Asia meet.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Nov 2017 08:40

X-posted from J&K thread

periaswamy wrote: China will provide cover for these terrorists by making them immune to any pressures from the so-called "international community".

The LeT's entry into politics had been in the works for some time and was awaiting a nod from the ISI for convenient timing. It seems to be happening now. The relentless pressure on LeT and its Chief by India contributed significantly to this, aided by the US as well at later stages. Its terror activities were to a large extent getting curtailed. The pressure on Pakistan through FATF was (and continues to be) tremendous. Any miscalculation there would upset the already heavily creaking financial system of Pakistan badly. That's why they hurriedly 'house arrested' Hafiz Saeed for close to a year, however duplicitous it was. That's why, China is so adamant, even at the cost to its reputation, in backing Masood Azhar to the hilt because they want, during the tactical period that LeT establishes itself as a political entity and then unleashes jihadi terrorism, at least one potent jihadi terror tanzeem targetting India especially in J&K because of CPEC implications. CPEC is so important for China and personally for XI and his BRI initiative on which hinges his dream to take on the US starting c. 2035 and successfully establishing the Middle Kingdom by c. 2050. Masood Azhar is a small but important cog in this wheel of New Great Game.

So, J&K is no longer between India and Pakistan alone. It is now trilateral, more so as Pakistan gets incorporated into China, and that is why our military chiefs are increasingly speaking about two-front war.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 08 Nov 2017 11:18

^^^we have been claiming only PoK, but we should start claiming Baluchistan and Sindh as our provinces and we should excercise our sovereignty. Better late than never.

Any violation of sovereignty of Pakistan in Sindh and Balochistan is violation of sovereignty of India (akhand Bharat).

Loss of Nawab Bugti in 2006 is a great loss, nevertheless less, new generation Balochistan leaders have to be given moral, political and material support, just like the Han are claiming that violation of Tibet sovereignty is violation of greater China sovereignty.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Nov 2017 11:33

I would say that part of the Rann that we lost due to arbitration should be reclaimed by us as well as the the settlement of Sir Creek according to our claims.

I would leave the Sind as it is especially because Karachi would give us a huge headache to manage. It will even cause stability problems for us. However, we should help the realization of Sindhudesh.

Balochistan does not have a border contiguity with us unless we incorporate the Sind. Therefore, Balochistan is out of question. But, we should again support the Free Balochistan movement.

In any case, since it is impossible to just get real estate without the population (which we do not want), there is no possibility for this.

Anyway, the Sind & Balochistan hese are urgent things to do to thwart the dragon's plans.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Nov 2017 13:05

India vows to keep oceans free - The Hindu
India is working with “like-minded” countries on preserving security of the oceans where India has a particular responsibility, Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar has said.

“As the Indian Ocean takes centre stage in the 21st century, the onus is on us, as equal stakeholders, to collectively secure and nurture our oceanic states,” Mr. Jaishankar told a meeting of maritime experts at the Indian Ocean Rim Association (IORA) held in Delhi.

“The Indian government has been working with like-minded countries to preserve the integrity, inviolability and security of the maritime domain,” he said, according to a release issued by the Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA) that organised the conference.

The words of India’s top diplomat are significant ahead of the ASEAN and East Asia summits in Manila next week, where Japan has reportedly suggested an official meeting of the “Quad” grouping of U.S.-Japan-Australia-India. While India is not a military alliance partner, as the other three countries are, the MEA spokesperson had said India is “open” to the idea of the quadrilateral.
In Perth last week, Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop had also endorsed the idea, calling it a continuation of a 2008 quadrilateral plan that was subsequently shelved.

“Already Australia has regular meetings with Japan and Australia and the U.S. so it’s natural that we should continue to have such discussions but there is nothing formal but there has been no decision made on [the quadrilateral with India],” Ms. Bishop told reporters.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 08 Nov 2017 17:04

A top member of the US Chamber of Commerce and business advisor is also a former CIA bureau chief in China.

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/07/562486194/ex-spy-in-beijing-on-what-his-cia-experience-taught-him-about-china

Ex-Spy On What His CIA Experience Taught Him About China

Randy Phillips spent 28 years with the CIA, most recently serving as the chief CIA representative in China. He talks about what leverage the U.S. has when it comes to managing China's ambitions.

INSKEEP: Randy Phillips - he'd come to the office to meet us on a weekend, so he was dressed casually in a gray sweatshirt. He works in this office tower, advising American business clients. He's active in the American Chamber of Commerce in China. And this year, he's met with congressional leaders to talk of how to manage China's economic rivalry with the United States.

Phillips brings a distinctive resume to that work. For 28 years, he served in the Central Intelligence Agency, focusing on Asia. For a time, he was the CIA station chief at the embassy in Beijing - in other words, the head spy. So our talk with Phillips ranges from trade practices to spycraft.

How would you describe the game?

PHILLIPS: You know, I think there is - I use that term professional respect, or otherwise, honor among thieves, maybe - of having respect for your counterparts, that they, too, are trying to serve their country. And you try to find the maximum number of areas that you could possibly cooperate on issues because frankly, just like in the fight against terrorism worldwide, the U.S. or no single service can do it alone. You need partners. You need the ability to have a force multiplying effect to reach out through these partners to help you.

INSKEEP: Are you saying that you might simultaneously reach out to a Chinese intelligence official, looking for assistance with some world problem, even though you both know that you're spying on each other?

PHILLIPS: That's basically it.

INSKEEP: Which country is better at the game?

PHILLIPS: China is very good, no doubt about it. They have very deep wells of folks in both the military and the civilian side, and they also have a history of turning to Chinese citizens abroad that are also a wellspring in - whether it's in industry or in government or just in terms of understanding what's going on in a given country - to be able to turn to. We're also quite good at what we do.

...

INSKEEP: Did you enjoy all those years of going back and forth with...

PHILLIPS: Loved it.

INSKEEP: ...Chinese spies?

PHILLIPS: Well, I - it's - you know, again, this place really matters. It's important to, you know, do the needful to make sure that your leadership is as well-advised as possible. There's such a wide area of cross interest between China and the U.S. that it's never boring in that regard. And just personally, it's fascinating.

INSKEEP: If forced to boil it down to a word or phrase, what is the right word or phrase for Americans to use when thinking of China - adversary, friend, ally, enemy, rival?

PHILLIPS: Frenemy.

INSKEEP: Frenemy.

PHILLIPS: Right. I think it's - I don't think anybody on either side wants to have conflict. But there - it's just the nature of the size of the respective economies, the differences in the political systems that are not going away. We're going to have to manage some conflicts, and if we don't manage them well, we're going to have some problems.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 08 Nov 2017 17:16

People like Phillips and the organizations backing him — US MNCs, CIA, thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Americans from business, academia and intelligence keep the US up to date on their number one “frenemy.”

It is the same for Japan, Taiwan and the EU.

We on the other hand have very little intel on the ground and thus operate on equal parts fear and disdain. We have no middle ground on Cheen because we simply don’t know it.

The US, Japan and EU benefit from Cheen even as a rival because their intelligence and diligence make sure they take advantage of every situation, every change. Just as Cheen benefited from those nations during its rise. Lest we forget, American firms are already making a mint from OBOR even as Chini firms are investing in Silicon Valley startups.

Without proper intelligence we can’t formulate a proper strategy to deal with Xi. Especially since his reign is promising to push Cheen into high technology and competitive free markets, areas we never even contemplate for Cheen.

They are just copiers and communists right? So what happens when they lead in quantum mechanics and has a private sector with companies matching LM and Boeing? We need a plan for these things beyond hoping OBOR collapse or that Cheen can do nothing but copy.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Nov 2017 19:30

China says India's stand on Belt and Road Initiative wavering - PTI
China on Wednesday said India's stand on its multi-billion dollar Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is wavering, and the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a part of the project, does not involve any territorial dispute as claimed by New Delhi.

China has been reiterating that the $50 billion CPEC which traverses through the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir is a connectivity project and will not affect its stand that the Kashmir issue should be resolved between India and Pakistan through talks.


India has objected to the CPEC as it is being laid through the disputed territory and boycotted a high-profile Belt and Road Forum organised by China in May.

Reacting to a question on Russian Ambassador to India, Nikolay Kudashev's comments on Tuesday that India and China should resolve differences over the project, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said since this question is being asked repeatedly by the Indian media, "it shows India is quite wavering" over the BRI.

Hua also said, the CPEC does not involve any territorial dispute.

"The BRI will bring benefits to more countries along the BRI. We also said many times that the CPEC is an economic cooperation not targeted at any third party and does not involve territorial disputes," Hua said.

"We hope that countries and parties with shared vision will work with us to allow the practical cooperation to bring more benefits to our people. We remain open and inclusive to cooperation involving BRI," she said.

Her comments as well as the remarks by Kudashev came ahead of the Russia, India, China (RIC) Foreign Ministers' meeting expected to be held next month in New Delhi.


Since the BRI was proposed by Chinese President Xi Jinping in 2013, its progress was smooth. "It has won the widespread support from the international community and increasing number of countries have engaged in it," she said.

The recently concluded once-in-a-five-year Congress of the ruling Communist Party of China (CPC) included the BRI in its constitution.

"We believe that the BRI will create more room for China's development and present more opportunities for global economic development," she said.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 09 Nov 2017 07:23

Doklam dispute is far from settled - Faisal Ahmed & Sun Xi, Business Line
As President Xi Jinping emerges stronger, his foreign policy pursuits are now likely to be assertive, not merely persuasive. He joins the league of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping with the inclusion of his thoughts on socialism in the party constitution.

With several geo-economic and strategic challenges at hand, Xi enjoys a stronger mandate to experiment with newer economic and diplomatic instruments. He promises a new era for China, a glorious future, and, of course, a show of global might. He has earlier remarked that “we absolutely will not permit any person, any organisation, any political party — at any time, in any form — to separate any piece of Chinese territory from China”.

It is thus most likely that the geopolitical gravity of a host of regional issues strategic to China would be revisited. And the ‘Chicken’s Neck’ which is India’s connecting route to its North-eastern States, won’t be an exception.

The 19th national congress of the CPC highlighted that the expeditious disengagement at Doklam was a peaceful and dialogue-based resolution. Even India has earlier stated that the de-escalation was based on mutual agreement. This reflects a trust factor. Nevertheless, both countries have embraced the disengagement as a diplomatic victory for their own sides.

This resulted in subduing strong public sentiments in both countries. China even termed it as a victory for Asia, as these two big powers definitely have proven reasons to cooperate rather than to engage in conflict. On the political front, whereas Xi will continue for another five years and possibly more, Prime Minister Narendra Modi is getting ready for the 2019 parliamentary elections to seek another five-year term to actualise his ideation of a ‘New India’ by 2022.

Critical factors

The Doklam issue, however, is only dormant, and may haunt Sino-India ties in the near future. And there are at least three critical reasons to believe this.

Firstly, the bilateral politico-legal frameworks are inadequate. With varying connotations and intent, both countries have been referring to the 1890 Convention of Calcutta signed between Great Britain and China. Such boundary disputes involving China, India and Bhutan had also been referred to in the letters exchanged in 1959 between prime ministers Jawaharlal Nehru and Zhou Enlai. These letters are frequently interpreted by both countries to justify their contemporary stances.

Whereas India argues that the tri-junction lies near Batang La, China positions it further down south at Mount Gipmochi. Moreover, the 2005 and 2012 India-China bilateral agreements are now miserably failed frameworks. They failed to prevent the recent stand-off. Until a fresh tripartite legal framework is agreed upon, skirmishes can be ignited any time. {No bilateral agreement with China is going to stop China from creating these border issues because it is China's policy to incrementally and constantly nibble at 'enemy' territories. This won't stop}

Secondly, the region continues to be geopolitically volatile. Persisting claims and counter-claims related to patrolling the disengaged region, widening of the road by China just 10 km from Doklam, and the activity of armed forces is never-ending.

In 1965-66, China complained about the presence of Indian troops in the Doklam region. But Bhutan claimed that the area in question was under Bhutan’s sovereignty. India claimed that Chinese intrusions happened at regular intervals in 1988 as well as in 2000.

A stand-off, similar to the recent one, happened in Sumdorong Chu in 1987. The bilateral relations then could only be largely restored in 1988. Other border areas like Aksai Chin have remained historically vulnerable.

Finally, the Bhutan factor should not be ignored. It cannot be dictated to either by India or China. Both India and China have been trying to make inroads into Bhutan but the post-Doklam scenario clearly suggests that China has the advantage. China and Bhutan entered into a border-related agreement in 1988 and subsequently in 1998 prohibiting unilateral measures. With India too, Bhutan had the friendship treaty to guide its foreign policy. However, since the treaty was amended in 2007, Bhutan is under no obligation to seek such guidance.

The repositioning of Bhutan in the evolving scenario is a critical determinant of the degree of dissension waiting to happen in Doklam. Whether Bhutan will reject China’s position on Doklam or instead prefer to antagonise India should, in fact, drive the discourse of the near future.


Thus, ignoring the Doklam issue at the moment can cost both India and China dear. A concerted effort toward a tripartite resolution is indispensable. Diplomatic channels should be immediately deployed to reinforce a fresh politico-legal framework which is comprehensive in scope and yet unambiguous and utilitarian in intent.

Ahmed is a geopolitical expert and associate professor of international business at FORE School of Management, New Delhi. Xi is a China-born independent commentary writer based in Singapore

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 09 Nov 2017 17:56

U.S. elevates ties with China to resolve global crises - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
The United States on Thursday highlighted its special ties with China in managing global problems, including nuclear tensions in North Korea, instability in Afghanistan, and tackling the scourge of international terrorism.

Rejecting the doctrine of “containment” of China, visiting U.S. President Donald Trump, signaled at a joint press conference, that Washington and Beijing will be the main pillars of a more inclusive international system.

Singling out the special roles that the U.S. and the China have to jointly undertake, Mr. Trump said: “The United States working with China and other regional partners have an incredible opportunity to advance the cause of peace, security and prosperity all across the world. It is a very special time and we do indeed have that very special opportunity.”

“A great responsibility has been imposed on our shoulders Mr. President; truly a great responsibility,” he observed referring to his host Chinese President Xi Jinping. President Trump hoped that the two countries can “rise to the occasion and help our country’s citizens to reach their highest destinies and their fullest potentials”.

Some Chinese scholars were quick to the point out that with Mr. Trump’s visit, US and China were becoming the main pillars of an emerging new global order.


“Trump has recognised that China is its main partner to meet short and long term global challenges ranging from trade to nuclear issues,” says Wang Yiwei, professor at the School of International Studies, at Renmin University, in a conversation with The Hindu. He added: “I think his visit to China has helped Mr. Trump understand that the relationship between China and the United States should be viewed from long term, comprehensive and global perspectives.”

President Xi was equally upbeat about the unfolding relationship between the two countries, saying that Beijing-Washington ties now stood “at a new historic starting point,” which had global implications. “We believe Sino-U.S. relations concern not only the well-being of peoples, but also world peace, prosperity and stability,” Mr. Xi observed.

The remarks by the two leaders were preceded by a ceremony, where massive deals worth $253 billion dollars, focused on shale energy, aviation, and computer chips were signed. The state owned China

Petroleum and Chemical Corp, signed a $43 billion joint natural gas exploration contract in Alaska. The China National Petroleum Corporation, inked an initial agreement with Cheniere Energy, specialising in shale gas, for long term supplies of liquefied natural gas. China’s cellphone giants Xiaomi, OPPO and Vivo also signed deals with US telecom mobile chip maker Qualcomm.

Significantly China’s Silk Road Fund, a unit under the People’s Bank of China promoting the Belt and Road Initiative-President Xi’s signature plan— will set up a joint fund with the U.S. During his remarks President Xi also invited American firms to participate in the BRI.

In other contracts, China will buy Tesla electric cars and Boeing aircraft from the US.

The two leaders tried to project a common strategic orientation towards the region, underscored by their common stance of the achieving denuclearisation of North Korea. Yet there were differences in the fine-print, highlighted by President Xi’s advocacy of a dialogue with North Korea to supplement UN backed economic pressure that was being imposed on Pyongyang. But using much harsher rhetoric President Trump described Pyongyang’s leadership as “the murderous North Korean regime,” and urged all “responsible nations” to stop arming, financing and trading with it.

Mr. Trump in his remarks seemed to reverse the Pivot to Asia doctrine of the Obama administration, aimed at China’s military containment in partnership with regional allies in the Asia-Pacific. On the contrary, Mr. Trump said that, US and China “have an opportunity to strengthen the relationship between our two countries and improve the lives of our citizens [and] as long as we stand together, with others if necessary, against those who threaten our civilization, that threat will never happen; it doesn’t even have a chance”.

President Xi also highlighted that the Pacific Ocean was big enough to accommodate both China and the United States. He said that China would soon invite US Defence Secretary James Mattis to visit China, and also arrange for a visit by a Chinese military delegation to the US.


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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby anupmisra » 09 Nov 2017 18:07

SSridhar wrote:U.S. elevates ties with China to resolve global crises - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
President Xi also highlighted that the Pacific Ocean was big enough to accommodate both China and the United States.


Trump just plain forgot that he had just come from visiting Japan which considers itself as the legitimate western bookend to the Pacific. This statement by comrade eleven gin peg will not go down well with Abe.

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Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 09 Nov 2017 19:58

Is Chin throwing a BONE to the USA?

China signs $37 billion deal to buy 300 Boeing planes

BEIJING: China signed an agreement Thursday to buy 300 airplanes from US aerospace giant Boeing valued over $37 billion, as part of a multi-billion dollar raft of deals announced during President Donald Trump’s visit to Beijing.

The agreement for China Aviation Suppliers Holding Co (CASC) to buy the single-aisle and twin-aisle aircraft was among the more than $250 billion in agreements announced at a ceremony attended by Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

A Boeing statement said the agreement includes “orders and commitments” to buy the aircraft, but it did not give a further breakdown.

In September 2015, Boeing had already received an order from CASC for 300 aircraft valued at a record $38 billion at list prices.

Boeing and European rival Airbus are competing heavily in China, the world’s second aircraft market, with the US company forecasting that the Asian giant needs over 7,200 commercial aircraft in the next 20 years.

China, meanwhile, has developed its own medium-haul C919 in a bid to challenge the Airbus-Boeing duopoly.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 09 Nov 2017 20:07

Peregrine wrote:Is Chin throwing a BONE to the USA?

China signs $37 billion deal to buy 300 Boeing planes

BEIJING: China signed an agreement Thursday to buy 300 airplanes from US aerospace giant Boeing valued over $37 billion, as part of a multi-billion dollar raft of deals announced during President Donald Trump’s visit to Beijing.

The agreement for China Aviation Suppliers Holding Co (CASC) to buy the single-aisle and twin-aisle aircraft was among the more than $250 billion in agreements announced at a ceremony attended by Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

A Boeing statement said the agreement includes “orders and commitments” to buy the aircraft, but it did not give a further breakdown.

In September 2015, Boeing had already received an order from CASC for 300 aircraft valued at a record $38 billion at list prices.

Boeing and European rival Airbus are competing heavily in China, the world’s second aircraft market, with the US company forecasting that the Asian giant needs over 7,200 commercial aircraft in the next 20 years.

China, meanwhile, has developed its own medium-haul C919 in a bid to challenge the Airbus-Boeing duopoly.

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Quid pro quo for this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-aircraft-exports-cleared-for-takeoff-under-faa-deal-1509947425

I posted in International aviation thread.

The PRC gets FAA automatic approval for their aviation products. This opens the iron gates of the West for the chini C928 and ARJ21.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 09 Nov 2017 20:14

anupmisra wrote:This statement by comrade eleven gin peg will not go down well with Abe.
Trump's passivity will also not go well with Japan & India. PotUS have always been untrustworthy but Trump is on a much higher scale. India must demand from the US its clarificationns of Trump-Xi interaction.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby anupmisra » 10 Nov 2017 00:35

SSridhar wrote:
anupmisra wrote:This statement by comrade eleven gin peg will not go down well with Abe.
Trump's passivity will also not go well with Japan & India. PotUS have always been untrustworthy but Trump is on a much higher scale. India must demand from the US its clarificationns of Trump-Xi interaction.


Trump's effect is being felt here as well. Tuesday's elections have largely gone the democrats' way. I bet the republicans will start to blame Trump for this loss.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Nov 2017 00:49

Someone quoted here on BRF that trump has been fomenting all these crises to increase US sales. Reminds me of 90s bollywood movies where the guy and girl will be fighting before the fall in live (for his relationship with china)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chanakyaa » 10 Nov 2017 07:56

SSridhar wrote:
anupmisra wrote:This statement by comrade eleven gin peg will not go down well with Abe.
Trump's passivity will also not go well with Japan & India. PotUS have always been untrustworthy but Trump is on a much higher scale. India must demand from the US its clarificationns of Trump-Xi interaction.

According to one estimate, 41% of Japan's exports go to China and US, and then EU. Why would Japan's opinion matter at all? Okay, even if Japan gets upset (to any degree), what the he11 can and will they do? Nothing, Nada. Don't want export your overcapacity to China and US? Sure, go ahead and stop exports and watch your economy go up in smoke. US and China have been very close partners and will continue to do so.

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