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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby venug » 06 Apr 2017 19:50

Dalai Lama's Arunachal visit may force China to interfere in Kashmir

It is already interfering. At least now we should not hide but state Tibet is not part of China.


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby kit » 06 Apr 2017 19:55

we live in interesting times for sure !! ..China doesnt have the concept of peaceful co existence .. the asian century will certainly be a muddied affair !

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby abhijitm » 06 Apr 2017 20:35

China think they have geopolitical advantage only because they have money. They are new entrant and still learning the game. It is not like we are dealing with British the masters of art. All the bravado only shows how hollow their might is and how immature their foreign policy is. China is going to have tough time going ahead.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby abhijitm » 06 Apr 2017 20:39

One of the biggest projection of geopolitics is ability to install favourable gov in another country. Lets count in how many countires china call pull it off compare to India.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby GShankar » 06 Apr 2017 21:02

Is philippines china's latest munna?

Newz ij all over the interwebs of duterte ordering troops to occupy uninhabited islands, just in time for 11 to meet with the z. Somehow the meeting is being hijacked. Looks like a normal act from the old cheen playbook.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prem » 08 Apr 2017 04:17

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sanjaykumar » 08 Apr 2017 06:46

I like Trump's body language, he is actually intruding in Xi's space with outstretched left arm. Xi is somewhat flexed with his back acknowledging a non-dominant position.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Suraj » 08 Apr 2017 20:59

Did anyone notice Arunachal Pradesh PM Pema Khandu's quote before ?
Chicago Trib: China and India in a spat over, yes, the Dalai Lama
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has taken an increasingly aggressive line toward China since coming into office in 2014, the same year he invited the Tibetan prime minister in exile to his swearing in ceremony.

But Modi isn't the only one making provocations. The chief minister of Arunachal Pradesh decided to take a still less Chinese-friendly line over the Dalai Lama's visit. Pema Khandu, who escorted the Dalai Lama during his travels, says the monk's visit was no concern of China's, because India does not share a border with China, but with Tibet.

"Let me get this straight. China has no business telling us what to do and what not to do because it is not our next-door neighbour," Khandu said.

That should go over well in Beijing.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby rsingh » 08 Apr 2017 22:52

sanjaykumar wrote:I like Trump's body language, he is actually intruding in Xi's space with outstretched left arm. Xi is somewhat flexed with his back acknowledging a non-dominant position.

Could be like Trump is open,inviting and ready to listebn to china (like hey you guys are behaving likemad recently, let me hear your problem). XI on other hand is bit surprised by openness and is looking for right words. This round to unkil.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby rsingh » 08 Apr 2017 22:55

I think recent missile attack was actually a gentel reminders to Chinese about possible outcome of things in yellow sea. JMT

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sdas1645 » 08 Apr 2017 23:00

Body bags arriving in China will fuel rebellion against the CPC. Chinese CPC knows this very well and that is why they will never engage in open war with any mighty army - indian, Japanese, us etc. They will do war using their media and frontal stooge like Pakistan and Sri lanka, Cambodia etc.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby GShankar » 08 Apr 2017 23:01

nah.. it is the art of sitting.

Clearly explained in the below video, a classic political satire. Pliss to watch from 3:51

https://youtu.be/J-Efb347l5E?t=3m51s

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Karthik S » 08 Apr 2017 23:11

rsingh wrote:I think recent missile attack was actually a gentel reminders to Chinese about possible outcome of things in yellow sea. JMT


It's like CNorris knocking down some random abdul to intimidate BLee.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vasu raya » 08 Apr 2017 23:40

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/china-naming-my-successor-is-nonsense-dalai-lama/story-vdRPis8r5HR6XND1VbSLbM.html

Seems like Dalai Lama is ok to accept an Article 370 like status for Tibet, the Chinese wouldn't oblige though.

The Dalai Lama who addressed devotees at theTawang monastery, considered one of the holiest sites in Tibetan Buddhism, also said Beijing’s bid to name his successor to undermine the Tibetans cause was “nonsense”.
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China’s interest in the Dalai Lama’s reincarnation, the Tibetan leader felt, was illogical unless it first recognises the reincarnation of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping.

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Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 09 Apr 2017 13:17

X Posted on the China Watch Thread

India is damaging our interests: China

BEIJING: China said India was fuelling tensions and damaging its interests by allowing the Dalai Lama to visit Arunachal Pradesh, reported foreign media.

“I can confirm (that) China has lodged protests in Beijing and Delhi,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told a media briefing.

The protest was lodged in Beijing with Indian ambassador to China Vijay Gokhale.

In Delhi, it was done with the competent officials of the Ministry of External Affairs, Hua said.

Asked whether Beijing views India’s permission to the 81-year-old leader to visit Arunachal Pradesh amounted to questioning the ‘One China’ policy, Hua said, “I want to re-emphasise that on issues concerning China’s major concern and core interests, territorial and sovereignty, our position is consistent.”

“By inviting and approving the Dalai Lama to (visit) disputed areas, India has damaged our interests and the India-China relationship, and fuelled tensions,” she said.

“We oppose the visit to relevant areas and attempts by relevant countries to arrange a platform for the Dalai Lama to conduct anti-China activities. We urge the relevant country to stop such erroneous actions and stop undermining Chinese interests,” she said.

The Dalai Lama is currently on a nine-day visit to Arunachal Pradesh.

On the other hand, Chinese media, amid the raging row over the Dalai Lama’s Arunachal Pradesh visit, warned India that China, with its superior military, could engage in a “geopolitical game” as India’s “turbulent northern state” borders the country, a veiled reference to Kashmir.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prem » 10 Apr 2017 05:08

Dalai Lama is equal to many Mountain Divisions in Psychological war Beijing wants to wage

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby NRao » 10 Apr 2017 06:14

Prem wrote:Dalai Lama is equal to many Mountain Divisions in Psychological war Beijing wants to wage


The guy from China is seeking an end game. There is no game, so there is no end game. China has ascribed a game to a spiritual leader's visit to his flock. Simple. Where is the game and therefore an end game?

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 10 Apr 2017 11:03

Chinese strategy is "creep" strategy., One Dalai Lama visit to Tawang doesn't harm their strategy. They will put pressure again.

The only way we can control the Chinese is through"strategic culture". Never make loose statements such as what Rijiju did (he said India respects 'One China' policy. That's a gigantic blunder.

To give the analogy of what a creep strategy is, we used to have ' money plant ' in our house. Every two days we had to trim, otherwise it will creep all over. Since their Han core is secured, they will keep on creeping all over, OBOR and CPEC is part of the same strategy., We should have cut it off, but we missed golden opportunity when Uri attack happened.,

Now they will seek every opportunity to creep back in. But alas, Modi wants big bang single surgical strike, and no follow up action. We will be overwhelmed by the Chinese, they are consistent with their strategy.

We need a strong PM of the calibre of PVNR, we should first remove Sushma Swaraj atleast. Not much can be done "later", once OBOR is operational.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Vikas » 10 Apr 2017 11:23

TKiran wrote:Chinese strategy is "creep" strategy., One Dalai Lama visit to Tawang doesn't harm their strategy. They will put pressure again.

The only way we can control the Chinese is through"strategic culture". Never make loose statements such as what Rijiju did (he said India respects 'One China' policy. That's a gigantic blunder.

To give the analogy of what a creep strategy is, we used to have ' money plant ' in our house. Every two days we had to trim, otherwise it will creep all over. Since their Han core is secured, they will keep on creeping all over, OBOR and CPEC is part of the same strategy., We should have cut it off, but we missed golden opportunity when Uri attack happened.,

Now they will seek every opportunity to creep back in. But alas, Modi wants big bang single surgical strike, and no follow up action. We will be overwhelmed by the Chinese, they are consistent with their strategy.

We need a strong PM of the calibre of PVNR, we should first remove Sushma Swaraj atleast. Not much can be done "later", once OBOR is operational.


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2017 11:34

we should very subtly squeeze the han investments in India, not allow them to build our infrastructure projects and put up national security hurdles at every stage.

to paraphrase Modi, potential blood and trade can not/should not flow together.

we should not mention any "one china policy" henceforth.

pay them back in the same coin.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby GShankar » 10 Apr 2017 12:16

Studying their game, the r&d over dalai lama visit is 100x more than what we did for their investments in PoK. I mean there is no == between these two acts. They are creating false equivalence here and are jumping up and down lying over and over again to prove that lie until it becomes the truth.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Karan M » 10 Apr 2017 13:21

Vikas, its a full blown shiver. Am surprised advice did not include toning the prostrate. :lol: :rotfl: to be more "strong"

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Apr 2017 17:29

China claims full credit, ignores Indian Navy's role in rescuing hijacked ship - PTI

China today claimed full credit for rescuing a cargo ship hijacked by Somali pirates in the strategic Gulf of Aden, ignoring Indian Navy's role in the operation.

While a Chinese navy statement last night omitted any reference to the Indian Navy in providing helicopter cover to the Chinese vessel whose special forces boarded the Tuvaluan ship under hijack, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said the operation demonstrated "effectiveness of the Chinese naval force in the field of fighting against pirates".

When questioned about the absence of any mention of the Indian Navy's role in the operation, Hua said China's Ministry of Defence should be approached for details.

"According to what we have learnt from the military on April 8 at 5 PM the 25th convoy of Chinese navy which was conducting the escort mission in the Gulf of Aden in Somali waters received reports from the UKMTO (United Kingdom Marine Trade Operation) about the hijack of Tuvalaun ship OS35," she said.

"The fleet vessel Yulin set out for the area immediately and rescue operation started early morning on April 9. Under the cover of helicopters, special force members of the navy boarded the ship and rescued 19 (Filipino) crew members on broad. Both the ship and the crew members are safe now," she told reporters.

Hua did not mention the assistance the Indian Navy provided to the Chinese navy in the operation.

Her comments came a day after the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) said in a statement that it rescued the ship.

When asked about the Chinese navy's statement, Indian Navy spokesperson in New Delhi referred to his tweet, "Indian Navy Chetak Helicopter on top of PLA Navy boats carrying boarding party to MV OS35 in coordinated anti-piracy ops @SpokespersonMoD".

He also posted a picture with the tweet which showed an Indian helicopter flying over a Chinese navy vessel.


The surprise omission of the Indian Navy's role in the operation comes as the Indian Navy in New Delhi said that the navies of the two countries worked in a well-coordinated operation to rescue the vessel.

However, Hua, without detailing what cooperation she referred to, said, "We always remain positive towards international cooperation in combating pirates. We are ready for more cooperation in this regard."

Asked about the Indian Navy's role, she said "I have already given what I have learnt to you. The Chinese convoy received a report from the UKMTO and conducted rescue operation. With regards to details I point you to the Chinese defence ministry."

The Indian Navy yesterday said it sent its frontline warships, INS Mumbai and INS Tarkash, to coordinate with the Chinese navy. The two Indian ships were in the region as part of an overseas deployment.

At the end of the operation, the Chinese navy thanked the Indian Navy for its role in the operation. "In a show of international maritime cooperation against piracy, a boarding party from the nearby Chinese navy ship went on board the merchant ship, while the Indian naval helicopter provided air cover for the operation. It has been established that all 19 Filipino crew members are safe," Indian Navy spokesperson Capt D K Sharma said yesterday.

The reported coordination among the navies came amid a strain in ties between the two countries over a range of issues including the Dalai Lama's visit to Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, China's opposition to India's NSG membership and Beijing blocking India's effort to declare JeM chief Masood Azhar as global terrorist by the UN.

China and India have been operating ships in the Gulf of Aden for several years.

In May 2011, China had acknowledged Indian Navy's help in saving 24 Chinese sailors aboard Panama-flagged bulk carrier, Full City, from pirates. At that time, Chinese navy's flotilla was on an escort duty in the Gulf of Aden - 1,200 nautical miles away from the scene of the assault.


The MEA/IN must learn a lesson from this episode. They should not have referred to the PLAN in the press release. We must recognize that the Chinese are our most implacable enemy. They are *NOT* friendly with us at all. Sardar Patel recognized this 67 years back. We *MUST* treat them as such.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 11 Apr 2017 07:45

X-posting from IOR thread.

Till the next port of call - Alexandre Ziegler, The Hindu

It is rare for an ambassador of a foreign country to write an article when a naval mission of that country docks at a port of another country. It has all the usual phrases that denote a particular informal alliance that is developing against a rampaging China.

Mission Jeanne d’Arc, made up of the amphibious assault ship/landing platform dock (LPD), Mistral, and the frigate, Courbet, called at the Mumbai port between March 29 and April 3, having set sail from the French military base in Djibouti before heading for Vietnam. It is for the third consecutive year that France has deployed this important mission in the Indian Ocean, the China Seas and the Pacific region.

On each occasion, France has chosen to call at an Indian port: Visakhapatnam in 2015 and Kochi in 2016. At the time, it had just carried out an evacuation operation in Yemen in coordination with the Indian Navy, as part of providing Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR), for which our LPDs are among the best in the world, given their cargo capacities and deployment capabilities.

These port calls always give rise to enriching interactions between navies. The 2017 edition was no exception, with numerous reciprocal visits and exercises carried out with our officer cadets. I was able to observe this first-hand alongside Rear Admiral Didier Piaton, French Joint Forces Commander in the Indian Ocean (ALINDIEN). But over the past two years, these calls have acquired a special dimension; they reflect and support the swift development of cooperation between our two countries.

Growing cooperation


Along with combating terrorism, maritime security has become a priority of our defence and security cooperation.

In fact, it greatly contributes to this cooperation given the threat of maritime terrorism. France has not forgotten the numerous victims the 2008 Mumbai attacks claimed, two of whom were our nationals.

Several concrete examples illustrate this unprecedented dynamic pace: in 2015, our carrier strike group (CSG) with the aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle, at its core, docked at Goa as part of our bilateral exercise, “Varuna”. On that occasion, the Indian Navy — one of the few to also possess an aircraft carrier — could train on the naval version of the Rafale, which our CSG forces are equipped with. At the end of this month, the next edition of the “Varuna” exercise will be held, this time off the French coast. Once again, significant assets will be mobilised. In the meantime, India and France have held two high-level bilateral dialogues on maritime security in the Indian Ocean and signed their first White Shipping Agreement on January 18, 2017; the latter’s operationalisation will be a significant step towards more ambitious exchanges and complex cooperation.

We will not rest on our laurels. There are several reasons for this. France has significant interests in the Indian Ocean due to its overseas territory, Reunion Island, which is home to over a million French citizens; its 2.8 million square kilometres of exclusive economic zone (i.e. more than 10% of the Indian Ocean’s surface), and the volume of sea traffic in this zone. Due to this, we have significant means in the Indian Ocean, whether deployed permanently or depending on requirement. India is France’s top strategic partner in Asia and our intention is to work towards making this relation fructify further alongside our other partners in the region such as Australia, Japan, Singapore and Vietnam. We share, in particular, the same values of preserving the freedom of navigation and respecting the international law of the sea.

Therefore, it is both natural and necessary that France and India do more together in the Indian Ocean to serve our shared interests of security. I am convinced that over the next few years, this cooperation will become one of the pillars of the strategic partnership between our two countries. We are ready to take up this challenge.

Alexandre Ziegler is the Ambassador of France to India

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 12 Apr 2017 15:21

Arunachal Pradesh people unhappy under India's 'illegal' rule: China Daily

It is time for Indian newspapers/analysts to say similar things about Tibet. China is trying to sow disaffection among the people of Arunachal Pradesh. Considering its past behaviour in the North East where it has supported many insurgencies, it may be planning one in Arunachal Pradesh also especially when it implied that India would have to pay a heavy price for allowing the Dalai Lama to visit Tawang. China is escalating matters in a well-calibrated manner.

The people of Arunachal Pradesh live "difficult lives" under India's "illegal" rule and they look forward to returning to China, a state-run Chinese daily claimed on Wednesday as it criticised New Delhi for allowing the Dalai Lama to visit the frontier state.

China is opposed to the Dalai Lama's visit to Arunachal Pradesh, particularly Tawang, which it considers as Southern Tibet. Its media and foreign ministry has repeatedly aired its opposition to the Tibetan Buddhist leaders's ongoing visit to the region.

"Under India's illegal rule, the residents of Southern Tibet live difficult lives, face various kinds of discrimination, and look forward to returning to China," a provocative article in the China Daily said.

The article, however, skirted the media reports about the periodic protests in Tibet, including more than 120 self-immolations by Tibetans against the Communist Chinese rule.

The Dalai Lama's visit shows "he can't wait to give away Tawang district", which happens to be the birth place of the sixth Dalai Lama in 1683 and is at the centre of Tibetan Buddhism, "in exchange for India's support for the survival of his separatist group."

"One identity of the 14th Dalai Lama that history will record for posterity is he is a troublemaker," it said
about the 81-year-old spiritual leader and Nobel laureate.

The article said the Dalai Lama's visit is "testimony to his betrayal of himself, the people, the country, as well as regional peace."

"Depending on India for a living, the Dalai Lama's eagerness to please his master is understandable, but he is going too far by selling Southern Tibet in exchange for his master's favour," it said.

"He has described himself a 'son of India' more than 20 times on public occasions in recent years. He just hopes to add weight to his identity as a 'son of India' by selling the territory to India this time, ignoring the trouble he is making for the settlement of China-India border issues, regional peace and stability," it said.

India and China have been negotiating to resolve the border dispute for more than 20 years but an agreement is yet to be reached.

The dispute covers the 3,488-km Line of Actual Control. While China claims parts of Arunachal as Southern Tibet, India asserts the dispute also covers the Aksai Chin area which China occupied during the 1962 Sino-India war.

The article said the Dalai Lama has "betrayed regional peace. Solving the border dispute in a peaceful manner will require the courage and wisdom of the peoples of China and India. The Dalai Lama's visit to the sensitive region benefits neither."

The Dalai Lama is in Arunachal on a nine-day visit and this is not the first time he has visited the state. In 2009, the Tibetan spiritual leader visited the region, which too was opposed by the Chinese government.

China has lodged a diplomatic protest to India over the visit and a number of articles and editorials in the Chinese state media have attacked the spiritual leader over the visit.

The Chinese foreign ministry said on Tuesday it will select the next highest monk of Tibetan Buddhism through the traditional way of drawing lots from a sacred urn at Dachau Temple in Lhasa, dismissing the Dalai Lama's assertion that Beijing cannot choose his successor.

"All reincarnation of the Dalai Lama has followed the religious rituals and history rules," it said in a written response to queries about the Dalai Lama's recent comments.


Today's article also accused the Dalai Lama of changing his stand on Arunachal Pradesh during his 58-year-long exile in India. It said, "even after fleeing to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama did not promote India's 'sovereignty' over Southern Tibet at first. Yet, that gradually changed."

To support China's claim over parts of Arunachal Pradesh, the article cited historical events, saying the state was "separated" from China by the "so-called McMahon Line in the early 1900s, which was a line the then foreign secretary of the British-run government of India, Henry McMahon, proposed as part of the Shimla Accord, a treaty that was never validated".

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 12 Apr 2017 15:30

Dalai Lama's 'disgraceful performance' will negatively impact ties: China - ToI
China on Wednesday warned India that the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh will negatively impact the settlement of the border dispute and vowed to take "further action" to safeguard its territorial sovereignty.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang told reporters that provocative political statements by the Dalai Lama and an Indian official during the Tibetan spiritual leader's visit to the "disputed areas" have "already exceeded the scope of religious activities".

Lu said China will take "further action" to safeguard its sovereignty. "China has lodged representations with the Indian side. We will take further action to safeguard the territorial sovereignty and national security."

Lu said the Dalai Lama's "disgraceful performance" will "have negative impact on proper settlement of the territorial dispute between India and China."


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Apr 2017 17:52

‘India breached Tibet commitment’: China - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
China on Wednesday reiterated that the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh will have a negative impact on Sino-Indian ties, and accused New Delhi of breaching its commitment on the Tibet issue.

In response to a question, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said Beijing would take “further action” to safeguard its territorial sovereignty.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang took exception to statements by the Dalai Lama and Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Pema Khandu, who had said in an interview that the State did not share its border with China, but with Tibet.

‘Principle violated’

Analysts saw the statement as a violation of the ‘One China’ principle that defines the country’s statehood.

Mr. Lu said the “provocative” statements of the Tibetan leader “exceeded the scope of religious activities.”

“What India has done is violated the solemn commitment on the Tibet-related issues, and it also has a negative impact on proper settlement of territorial disputes between the two sides through negotiations,” the spokesperson said.

The Foreign Ministry said: “The boundary question [and] the Tibet-related questions bear on the political foundation of China-India relationship.” {How come that everything is 'fundamental' and 'foundational' to China such as Tibet, Taiwan, Indo-China Sea etc, but nothing such as POK, terrorism, India's admission to world fora, trade is 'fundamental' or 'foundational' to India?}

Important consensus

“We have already reached important consensus on resolving the boundary dispute through negotiations and consultations.”

He said: “We also hope that the Indian side bears in mind the fundamental interests of the two countries and two peoples and safeguard the political foundation of the bilateral relationship and not take any provocative action.”


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby navneeet » 13 Apr 2017 18:48

China flays India's counter bid to claim Tibetan medicine

A Chinese official has criticised India for staking claim over the legacy of ancient Tibetan medicine by filing a competing bid with China to declare it under UNESCO's intangible cultural heritage list.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 13 Apr 2017 18:55

'China has open attitude for cooperation with India, Russia' - PTI
China today said that it has an "open attitude" for cooperation with India and Russia in the defence sector, downplaying reports that it has turned down a Russian proposal for a trilateral meet keeping Pakistan's sensitivities in mind.

"China has an open attitude towards China-Russia-India cooperation in defence and is willing to maintain communication with all parties on meeting of leaders of ministries of defence of the three countries," Chinese Defence Ministry said in a written response to PTI here[Beijing].

The Ministry was responding to a query about reports that China had turned down a Russian proposal for the trilateral meet scheduled later this month apparently keeping the sensitivities of Pakistan in mind as well as New Delhi's decision to permit the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh, which Beijing claims as part of Southern Tibet.

However, Chinese official media termed the development of a strategic triangle "unrealistic", given the mutual distrust between China and India.


The three countries have already got a mechanism called RIC (Russia, India, China) under which the foreign ministers of the three countries meet every year.

"China has not conveyed any direct messages to India on this subject. But the question whether it is a suitable time to form an architecture of a security cooperation among the three regional powers remains to be addressed," an article in the state-run Global Times said about the defence ministers meeting proposed to be held later this month.

"With the absence of a trilateral security pattern involving Russia, China and India which are located in a single geopolitical space, the development of a strategic triangle would be however unrealistic now, given the mutual distrust between China and India," the article said.

India has long regarded China as a threat as it feels both are contesting for supremacy in regions such as South Asia and Southeast Asia and are vying for the same markets worldwide, it said.

"Meanwhile, apart from India's concerns over China's relations with Pakistan, the border dispute remains another thorny issue. In spite of regular joint working group meetings and ministerial meetings between the two sides, there has been no substantial progress on the border issue," the article said.

"The latest Dalai Lama episode has further intensified the tensions between the two", it said.

The article also took exception to Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Pema Khandu's reported comments that the state shares its border only with Tibet, not with China which the Chinese Foreign Ministry yesterday criticised.

"During his visit to Tawang, the Dalai Lama and Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Pema Khandu made provocative political statements, which exceeded the scope of religious activities," the article said.

"India has not only disregarded China's territorial sovereignty, but also violated the political basis of Sino- Indian ties," it claimed.

On the trilateral defence cooperation, it triggered heated discussion in the West, especially the US when it was mooted by former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov in 1998, the report said.

"Objectively speaking, among the relations among China, Russia and India, the relations between China and India are relatively weak. The India-Russia relationship in the past couple of decades had seen ups and downs, but it was able to stabilise and go back to normal thereafter. The ties between China and Russia have also been on a fast track given the bonhomie of the recent years," it said.

"The idea of the China-Russia-India strategic triangle need not be viewed as futile since an active and positive global role of the three countries could contribute to a more just and balanced world order that China has been promoting," it said.

"But the basis of such a triangle is that the parties concerned respect the national interests of the others, which India should particularly take note of," {and, China does not have to 'take note of' national interest of and respect for India, behaving exactly like a Bull in a Chinese shop, huh? Very preachy & sanctimonious?}
it said.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bheeshma » 13 Apr 2017 22:18

chinese clearly seem rattled. Good on Modi and Doval. I hope we have a high level meeting with Taiwanese delegation soon.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 14:42

Japan keeps its military aircraft busy - AFP
Japan’s military scrambled a record number of jets last year, mostly in response to an increase in approaching Chinese aircraft, the government said on Thursday.

Tokyo ordered its jets to the skies 1,168 times in the fiscal year through March, the Defence Ministry said, with 73% of the missions against aircraft either known to be or believed to originate from China.

“Activities of Chinese jets are on the rise in terms of their frequency, area, and duration,” said Admiral Kawano, head of Japan’s joint chiefs of staff.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shyamd » 14 Apr 2017 18:50

SSridhar wrote:Arunachal Pradesh people unhappy under India's 'illegal' rule: China Daily

It is time for Indian newspapers/analysts to say similar things about Tibet. China is trying to sow disaffection among the people of Arunachal Pradesh. Considering its past behaviour in the North East where it has supported many insurgencies, it may be planning one in Arunachal Pradesh also especially when it implied that India would have to pay a heavy price for allowing the Dalai Lama to visit Tawang. China is escalating matters in a well-calibrated manner.

It's simple... The PRC are pushing every neighbour in the region to divert resources away from economic development and into defence. Keeps certain nations at bay.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 14 Apr 2017 19:30

shyamd wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Arunachal Pradesh people unhappy under India's 'illegal' rule: China Daily

It is time for Indian newspapers/analysts to say similar things about Tibet. China is trying to sow disaffection among the people of Arunachal Pradesh. Considering its past behaviour in the North East where it has supported many insurgencies, it may be planning one in Arunachal Pradesh also especially when it implied that India would have to pay a heavy price for allowing the Dalai Lama to visit Tawang. China is escalating matters in a well-calibrated manner.

It's simple... The PRC are pushing every neighbour in the region to divert resources away from economic development and into defence. Keeps certain nations at bay.


The sneaky thing about the PRC is that while it is kicking off an arms race, it is not willing to actually fight, seemingly because it knows it will get its arse kicked in actual confrontation of arms.

If the PRC were insane with unwarranted bravado like the TSP they would lost three wars already to the US/Japan/Taiwan and be confined to an inferior niche permanently.

But they are savvy. More so definitely than the Bakis and more than us. The most dangerous thing about the PRC is its industrial might not its military one. And the most dangerous attribute of the PRC is they actually knows this and have chickened out of actual fighting (as opposed to running over students with tanks) for the past 40 years.

Therefore, PRC is banking on tensions that gives them cover to produce warships and aircraft in atrocious numbers that will simply overwhelm the equation on the ground and at seas.

Nothing in Asia is going to be able withstand someone building 14 destroyers like the 052D in the past 5 years or 26 054As in 8 if things continue the way they are. Never mind the Bharati rate of building, even the S Koreans and Japanese cannot build at this rate. Their main DDG and FFG classes are built in triplets or maybe in sextuplets much like ours except a bit faster.

Prolonged peace and it is a foregone conclusion when the seas are packed deck to deck with chini DDGs and FFGs not to mention their corvettes, subs and upcoming carriers.

So the logical solution to stopping this can only be war. I hope the US can corner them and force one.

But India must be ready to instigate one if the US does not. Otherwise, to just let them build and build without a fight is to accept their control as fait accompli.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Liu » 14 Apr 2017 21:54

chola wrote:
shyamd wrote:It's simple... The PRC are pushing every neighbour in the region to divert resources away from economic development and into defence. Keeps certain nations at bay.


The sneaky thing about the PRC is that while it is kicking off an arms race, it is not willing to actually fight, seemingly because it knows it will get its arse kicked in actual confrontation of arms.

If the PRC were insane with unwarranted bravado like the TSP they would lost three wars already to the US/Japan/Taiwan and be confined to an inferior niche permanently.

But they are savvy. More so definitely than the Bakis and more than us. The most dangerous thing about the PRC is its industrial might not its military one. And the most dangerous attribute of the PRC is they actually knows this and have chickened out of actual fighting (as opposed to running over students with tanks) for the past 40 years.

Therefore, PRC is banking on tensions that gives them cover to produce warships and aircraft in atrocious numbers that will simply overwhelm the equation on the ground and at seas.

Nothing in Asia is going to be able withstand someone building 14 destroyers like the 052D in the past 5 years or 26 054As in 8 if things continue the way they are. Never mind the Bharati rate of building, even the S Koreans and Japanese cannot build at this rate. Their main DDG and FFG classes are built in triplets or maybe in sextuplets much like ours except a bit faster.

Prolonged peace and it is a foregone conclusion when the seas are packed deck to deck with chini DDGs and FFGs not to mention their corvettes, subs and upcoming carriers.

So the logical solution to stopping this can only be war. I hope the US can corner them and force one.

But India must be ready to instigate one if the US does not. Otherwise, to just let them build and build without a fight is to accept their control as fait accompli.


since industry revolution, industry might is almost equal to military might, if the owner will use the industry might to arm force.

when britain had global largest industry might during Victoria era, British had largest military might too.

when Germany industry might overtook britain, Germany easily built armforce more powerful than UK.

however, Germany was crushed by USA and Soviet, because eithet had larger industry might.


During coldwar, USA had largest industry might and Soviet had second largest industry might,
either of their industry might were by far larger than the 3rd largest one.
thus they were the two superpowers.



well, now, it is turn of china.

chinese industry might assures anyone else would be in hopeless situation in a arm race against china.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby tandav » 14 Apr 2017 22:53

True! The 4th Reich rises in the East. Beijing is the New Berlin.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sanjaykumar » 14 Apr 2017 23:13

True I am scared of the industrial goods in Walmart.

And the bulk ore carrying steel bogeys plying on steel rails to off load onto steel ships that carry the ore to smelters that produce steel that is need to make bogeys, rails and ships.

While China imports marine engines from a has-been powe like Britain.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 14 Apr 2017 23:29

tandav wrote:True! The 4th Reich rises in the East. Beijing is the New Berlin.


No, the old German Reichs could actually fight wars. They nearly won two World Wars with the rest of the gora powers arrayed against them.

The Germans of the Reich were THE Alpha males among many alpha males in the West.

The chinis of today are strictly beta. Watch this video of a white man stealing the woman of a chinaman in front of his face. The chinaman just looked away pretending nothing is happening while the gora runs his hands all over his woman. Finally the white guy just took her away.

If you actually fight chinamen in a war the same thing will happen.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJLGpOBV764

Chinis cannot win wars.

But they can build. So what is the obvious answer?

Kick them in their beta arse.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ArjunPandit » 15 Apr 2017 01:46

^^
1. Comparing a civilian who's been subdued to a soldiered who's been ordered to give life for country is not a fair one.
2. "can not win wars": Fact is they "Haven't won wars", past performance, while a strong indicator of future does not guarantee. Pakis thought on these lines in 65 considering India as weak.
3. "Kick them in their beta.." All for it, but only when you can avoid getting that done by yourself

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Liu » 15 Apr 2017 06:15

sanjaykumar wrote:True I am scared of the industrial goods in Walmart.

And the bulk ore carrying steel bogeys plying on steel rails to off load onto steel ships that carry the ore to smelters that produce steel that is need to make bogeys, rails and ships.

While China imports marine engines from a has-been powe like Britain.


German thought of yankees so before yankees joined WWI.

USA vs China today is quite like UK vs USA before WWI.
that is ,the loose~armed global largest industry powerhouse vs the fully~armed dominant empire with many allies and declining industry might.


the reason why Germany lost the two world war is that they forgot that it was USA,instead of German, that had global largest industry might at that time.


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