Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

[Gagan]

Who was the idiot who said that the 4th world war would be fought with stones hain ji?
The Cheenis are already preparing for the 4th world war - very advanced indeed !!!

[Gagan]

One wonders what selfies these Chinese soldiers sent back to the 4 glandpalents back home in Chengdu and Shanghai hain ji?

"Glandfathel glandfathel, I get injuly with indian stone on my pinkie" "It hults like hell, please send Tigel bone balm soon"

[Gagan]

Chinese CCTV broadcasts are carried by most cable networks in the west.
The local chinese probably subscribe to these TV channels to keep in touch with the news from back home.

So the official Chinese Government propadandoo reaches chinese homes all over the world

[chetak]

Ajit DovaL's ANSWER ! ! ! on How INDIA SHouLD TackLE the THreaT of CHiNA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-w8kMdKsI

[sanjaykumar]

So China challenges India to a fight for the upteenth time and then is a no-show.

So that is Peking Duck.

[Singha]

a while back we only had smallish boats to patrol the watery frontier of pangong tso. Cheen had tall strong patrol boats of this type and used to play 'games' with us by speeding by close to our bobbing rigid hull inflatables leaving them awash in the wake or accidentally giving a bump



incidents like these used to happen:
Close to two months ago, an Indian motorboat on regular patrolling duty along the perceived border in the lake, was surrounded by three Chinese naval crafts. Things started turning tense as the Chinese crafts approached the Indian boat (which was sufficiently armed with two machine guns and a 20 -member contingent). The situation calmed down only after the quick thinking operator swung around the larger Indian boat in circles to disperse the Chinese crafts.

then we got a bunch of these boats from 2011 deal:
US-based Tampa Yacht Manufacturing (TYM) under which the Indian Army will from next year begin receiving 17 TEMPEST 35-SPC high-speed armed patrol interceptor craft from the US-based shipbuilder. The 35-SPC is fully customisable, with featured enhancements and modifications for enhanced domain awareness that include, state-of-the-art navigation equipment consisting of GPS, sonar, echo-sounder and compass, 360-degree pan and tilt infra-red night-vision camera, gun mounts for 12.6mm and 7.62mm crew-served weapons, and threat level NIJ Level III and Level IIIA ballistic protection. The vessel’s cockpit includes a helmsman and engineer helm stations with shock-mitigating seats, and side-seating for 10 armed squad members.




an actual pic by a tourist of IA boat speeding alone - pic from Tripadvisor

[kancha]

Slightly OT, but couldn't find another forum to post it on. Have posted another blog yesterday, titled 'South Sudan - Who Killed The Chinese Peacekeepers?'

Basically chronicling the Chinese quest for oil in the country and the destabilization they have perpetrated towards this end

Blog Link

Twiter Link

Good info here - I did not know these details. Fits in well with information about "little emperors" of China

Glad you liked it. Working on some more .. surprising what wealth of knowledge is available on the www

[Singha]

we used to have this kind of weak Yindu boats


but as of 2012 itself the game had changed
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 634214.cms

Equipped with over 20 well-armed boats, People's Liberation Army troops have been virtually running circles around Indian troops handicapped by slow, outdated vessels. In the past, Chinese boats have even disabled Indian boats by ramming into them.

Now, we have received 11 of the 17 QRT boats, each of which can carry 16 to 18 soldiers, ordered from the US. With these high-speed interceptor boats, fitted with radars, infra-red and GPS systems, we can do robust reconnaissance and area domination patrols,'' said an officer.

"If the Chinese come one km into our territory, we can go three km into theirs. Earlier, apart from some smaller vessels, we had only a couple of large speed boats, mounted with machine guns and capable of carrying 10 soldiers,'' he added.

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hence you dont hear much noise from chinese side of pangong tso these days.

[Javee]

Lizards In Nepal, drumming up for in- action??

Also on Tuesday, Wang met respectively with chairman of Communist Party of Nepal (CPN Maoist Center) and former prime minister Pushpa Kamal Dahal, also known as Prachanda, and CPN-UML (Communist Party of Nepal-Unified Marxist and Leninist) chief and former prime minister Khadga Prasad Oli, on strengthening cooperation.

-Kathmandu Post.

[DavidD]

Ah DavidD's view of death by a thousand cuts . David, that's not a new thing to us . Long ago in the 90s a lady named Benazir Bhutto said the same thing - that they'd make us bleed by needling and prodding us with an endless supply of angry terorrists in Cashmere . Pakistan used to be richer than India those days . Scary stuff .

Today the Pakistanis are about 30% poorer on average . The Indian economy is about 10x larger than theirs . And Benazir ? She had her head blown off by one of those terrorists some years ago .

About the talk of war, maybe you didn't realize it, but Indian papers are quoting the Chinese press here, so...

China has been needling and prodding India even longer . And it's far too emotionally invested in Doklam, which betrays weakness . You've spent 2 months shouting pointlessly at a smaller/weaker/poorer country having great trouble productionizing a little 4G fighter while you have multiple 5G ones, and imported ACs, subs and even handguns . Surely you can do better than that ?

I don't think you got my point at all. The death doesn't come from the cuts, it comes from your reaction to the cuts.

[sanjaykumar]

Good to know, I remember this news report.

[chetak]

Stone throwing by PLA also shows the creeping influence of LeT etc on it, now that the PLA has been stationed in POK along with these jihadis.

This is the result of joint exercises with the paki army.

[sanjaykumar]

I don't think you got my point at all. The death doesn't come from the cuts, it comes from your reaction to the cuts.


Sure Mac, so I guess Pakistan has won? Is that the Chinese CCP's assessment?

[Rajeev]

New York Times on India China standoff

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/worl ... reath.html

One wonders if it is one of the drawbacks of India not being forceful in putting her points across in world forums . NYT is toeing the typical Chinese line of a “dominating” India “suffocating” Bhutan in not allowing them independent foreign policy and hinting as much Indian troops prevented Chinese army without any ‘explicit” request from Bhutanese govt , conveniently ignoring the land grabbing that Chinese typically employ before playing victims.

[Suraj]

I don't think you got my point at all. The death doesn't come from the cuts, it comes from your reaction to the cuts.

No its again you who's missing the point . Doesn't matter what death comes from . The whole approach is conducted on someone who's tied down without any ability to respond. Remember, Tibet is not China. It's an occupied territory with a restive population sympathetic to India .

[saip]

Einstein reputedly said that fourth world war would be fought with stones and sticks. But when the eff did the the third happen?

[Rudradev]

New York Times on India China standoff

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/worl ... reath.html

One wonders if it is one of the drawbacks of India not being forceful in putting her points across in world forums .

No, it isn't. The NY Slimes is a lifafa publication bought and paid for by the Pakis when it comes to any story regarding J&K or AfPak; and by the virulently anti-Hindu/anti-Modi Congress and Left when it comes to coverage of any internal Indian political issue.

Beijing has deeper pockets than either Pakis or the internal Indian 5th column. They have clearly sponsored the writer of this article, just as certainly as they have financed the specific Bhutanese "native informants" whom he has carefully selected for the pro-China/anti-India views they are guaranteed to regurgitate when interviewed with the inevitable leading questions.

Why should we be surprised, or for that matter give a $hit what NY Slimes prints on this issue?

[deejay]

Is there some escalation ladder protocol in place where non fatal combat between international combatants is somehow a lesser provocation than fatal combat? I don't understand the point of these jostling, wrestling, now stone throwing, next water cannon shooting etc. If Indian soldiers respond to a stone with a bullet does that make India the aggressor inside Indian territory?

The Chinese think they are very smart and GoI doesn't understand its tactics or strategy.

They tried to force on us the BDCA (Border Defence Cooperation Agreement) in the last days of the UPA. The new BDCA was pushed by China because India has begun to concentrate on its eastern borders (against the usual practice of concentrating on its western borders) in military, infrastructure and logistics terms and China felt compelled to contain it through the means of a new agreement, it having already developed its infrastructure along its side of the border. The Daulat Beg Oldie (Depsang Valley) incident was therefore created to lend some urgency to the BDCA proposal of China. China demanded that BDCA be signed before Li Keqiang's first visit to India, but it finally got signed nearly nine months later after a couple of rounds of drafts etc.during Man Mohan Singh's last visit to China towards end of c. 2013.

The BDCA forbids ‘tailing’ of intruding forces, night patrols and eyeball-to-eyeball confrontations with intruding forces. Crucially, India and China have also agreed that if the two sides come face-to-face in areas where they have differing perceptions of the LAC, “both sides shall exercise maximum self-restraint, refrain from any provocative actions, not use force or threaten to use force against the other side, treat each other with courtesy and prevent exchange of armed conflict”. It also envisages periodic meetings between officers of the Chengdu Military Region (CMR) and India’s Eastern Command (Kolkatta) and Lanzhou Military Region (LMR) and the Northern Command (Udhampur). The two sides are to establish meeting sites for border personnel (BPM or Border Personnel Meeting), as well as telephone and telecommunication links on the LAC. A hotline between the two military headquarters is under consideration, though I am not sure if it ever got done. So, protocol is there.

These tactics (though I am not sure about pelting with stones) are part of BDCA. Indian and Chinese armies also conduct a joint exercise called Hand-in-Hand. Do they train for these jostling-type hand-in-hand situations?

Though I am not sure of it but I think there is a prior agreement to not bring any weapons in a face to face situation and this is followed both from Chinese and Indian side for more than 17 yrs definitely. I think is is a post 1995 development.

Stone pelting has happened before though not in recent times.

[kancha]

Had posted a blog on PLA - Calling The Bluff last weekend, basically on how the PLA peacekeepers ran away for dear life when they came under fire in Juba, South Sudan.

Yesterday I came across this 'Executive Summary of the Independent Special Investigation into the violence which occurred in Juba in 2016 and UNMISS response'. It is the investigation carried out by the UN into the shameful incident. A very diplomatically worded report which doesn't name any country at all, yet delivers tight slaps with all the diplomatic sugarcoating .
Not to be missed.

[SSridhar]

Though I am not sure of it but I think there is a prior agreement to not bring any weapons in a face to face situation and this is followed both from Chinese and Indian side for more than 17 yrs definitely. I think is is a post 1995 development.

Yes, true. BDCA just consolidated various bits & pieces of agreements and possibly enhanced some.

[asgkhan]

The guys in the front should have brass knuckles. Break their teeth and hang a sun tzu shady $hitty quote on their puny a$$es and send these led lips licking idiots back to their political commissar.

[sanjaykumar]

Again terminological exactitude is important. PLA only ever liberated souls from Chinese peasants during the cultural revolution or democracy protesters in Tainanmen square. It is certainly more a POA., People's Oppression Army.

[sum]

Interesting incident from the Trishul blog:

Back in mid-2001, I was a witness to a PLA Army ‘transgression’ in the Taksin area of Arunachal Pradesh, which was then manned by a Battalion of the Gorkha Rifles. A 1,400-strong PLA Army contingent, comprising only 360 armed personnel and the rest comprising buglers and drum-beaters all waving China’s red-coloured flags, rolled in well past 3am in the morning and formed an arc around GHORA OP. At dawn, when the PLA’s presence was fully assessed, the Indian Army decided to respond in kind later that night. Meanwhile, throughout the day, the buglers and drum-beaters were playing tunes of Bollywood songs. Well past mid-night, the Gorkha Battalion began redeploying to the immediate surrounding mountain ridges as part of an outflanking move. By dawn, the PLA infantrymen were being stared down by the fully armed Gorkhas sitting on dominating high ground. Soon a white-colour flare was fired by the surrounded PLA contingent below, and the Indian Army immediately reciprocated (this being the signal for accepting the PLA’s request for a flag meeting. An Indian Army contingent comprising some 20 personnel—led by a Brigadier—and accompanied by an official of the State Intelligence Bureau (SIB) came within 200 metres of the Senior Colonel who was leading the PLA contingent. The Senior Colonel through hand-signals requested the Brigadier to come over to the area where the PLA contingent was camping. The Brigadier responded by signaling through his hands that the meeting ought to be held in the mid-point. The Senior Colonel agreed and as he started advancing forward, the soldiers behind him started retracing a few of their steps backward. When the two contingent commanders were face-to-face, not a word was exchanged and all that the Senior Colonel did was to unfurl a poster attached to a flagstaff, which said in English: YOU ARE IN CHINESE TERRITORY. PLEASE WITHDRAW. Without waiting for an answer, he next beckoned some of his subordinates to come forward who bore giveaways like woollen blankets and winter clothing. They laid these on the ground and without uttering a word, the entire contingent began withdrawing back to China-controlled territory. Needless to say, the standoff was over, having lasted less than 18 hours, and the entire stockpile of giveaways was subsequently distributed among the local inhabitants of Taksin with the compliments of the Indian Army.

[Lilo]

Stone throwing by PLA also shows the creeping influence of LeT etc on it, now that the PLA has been stationed in POK along with these jihadis.

This is the result of joint exercises with the paki army.

[Singha]

ndtv

15 soldiers were in the patrol, when we held up a banner in mandarin asking them to go back, they threw stones.

after 30 mins of patharbaazi, both sides did some banner drills and returned to originating posts

[g.sarkar]

Unfortunately, I also remember a group of Indian intelligence officers were caught, humiliated and disarmed by the PLA and returned back to India. It happened long time ago, but it was published in many Indian news papers. It such non action by the then Indian government has encouraged the current Chinese aggression. A tight slap then would have avoided all these things that are going on.
Gautam

[Iyersan]

China wants war with India, make no mistake

New Delhi must prepare. It cannot afford to be complacent.

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/china-war ... 18991.html

[Iyersan]

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/mand ... ndence-day
Chinese Australians in supercars protest India on its 70th Independence day

Party led demostrations against India in Australia. India must be ready for Armed conflict with China.

[ryogi]

On a lighter note:

We should kidnap a platoon of Chinese Sons, feed them Maggi and put them in an Internet Cafe playing FPS video games, and broadcast on TV:

"Chinese Soldiers Fighting on Indian Soil"

[Dipanker]

China seem to have virtually occupied POK, potential threat to us? Make it so much harder to recover POK.

[Philip]

China and the Philippines agree on issues reg. the ICS. Duterte has dumped the "West",in favour of China becos of its criticism of his war against the drug mafia in the P'ines. China is slowly chipping away at its opposition by making separate deals with smaller nations. However,the fact that China has agreed to halt its atoll grabbing is an indication that it can be stopped even by smaller nations,in this instance as it doesn't want the US to return to the Philippines again in a major military manner. How long Suterte will last is another matter.Things could again swing towards the West .The US has dealt with far more dangerous dictators in S. and Central America in the past.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017081610 ... s-vivendi/
Xcpt:

.China, Philippines Agree on Modus Vivendi in South China Sea
ASIA & PACIFIC
02:13 16.08.2017
The foreign ministries of China and the Philippines have found a ‘way to get along’ by banning new construction in the South China Sea as the two nations seek to enhance bilateral ties.
“The Chinese will not occupy new features in the South China Sea nor are they are going to build structures in Scarborough Shoal,” Philippine Defense Minister Delfin Lorenzana told lawmakers on Tuesday, according to China News Asia. The waters near the shoal are frequented by Philippine fishers, but from 2012 to 2016 China blockaded the area.

Specifically, "there is a status quo now that is happening in the South China Sea brokered by the secretary of Foreign Affairs,"he said, adding "it would be a very serious thing if China will occupy any of the islands."

The two sides are reportedly collaborating on a commercial arrangement to jointly conduct oil exploration and begin drilling for black gold within 12 months’ time, according to Philippine Foreign Secretary Alan Peter Cayetano. Beijing and Hanoi have recently reached heated disagreements over the fate of the Block 136-03 oil and gas field in the South China Sea.

Last week, a prominent Washington-based think tank published satellite imagery demonstrating that while Beijing claims it stopped island reclamation two years ago, in fact new construction been completed in the South China Sea at places like Tree Island over the same time period.

"China’s own reclamation work did not end in mid-2015 with the completion of the artificial islands in the Spratlys," the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative said in an August 9 blog post.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said his foreign policy has "shifted away from a pro-Western one" during an interview with RT on May 22. "I am now working on an alliance with China and I hope to start a good working relationship with Russia," Duterte said. "The Western world, the EU and everything… they have this double-talk," the outspoken head of state noted.

[AdityaM]

The automatic bowling machines used in place of cricket bowlers or automatic Tennis serves should be modified to throw stones at high speed

[g.sarkar]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 079851.cms
With China in mind, Donald Trump and PM Modi announce elevated consultation
By Chidanand Rajghatta
WASHINGTON: With the threat of an economically and militarily assertive China looming before the US and India, US President Donald Trump chose India’s Independence Day to signal that Washington has New Delhi’s back by announcing the two countries ''will elevate their strategic consultations.''
The US President called Prime Minister Narendra Modi amid domestic political turmoil in both countries (Trump buffeted over his softballing of white extremism in Charlottsville and Modi rocked by the Gorakhpur tragedy) ostensibly to congratulate Indians on the country’s Independence Day celebration. But a White House readout on the call went far beyond the pleasantries, disclosing that ''the leaders resolved to enhance peace and stability across the Indo-Pacific region by establishing a new two-by-two ministerial dialogue that will elevate their strategic consultations.''
.....
The White House statement also came hours after Trump announced a review of China’s trade practices, dialing down on his threat to initiate strong actions that could lead to a trade war in which both sides will suffer.
Notably, there was no Trump phone call to any Pakistani leader on the occasion of that country’s Independence Day, confirming the impression that Washington has long de-hyphenated the two countries. Secretary Tillerson recently engaged with Islamabad with prospects of some bilateral visits involving him and Pakistan's new foreign minister KM Asif.
Trump also sought to ramp up business ties with India specifically talking up the Global Entrepreneur Summit in Hyderabad, India, this coming November for which he has detailed his daughter Ivanka Trump to attend.
....

USA has de-hyphed, but Desi papers have not. Who cares who DT has called on August 14 ? Can we trust US in this fight with Lizard? As Mush would say 110% not.
Gautam

[g.sarkar]

China and the Philippines agree on issues reg. the ICS. Duterte has dumped the "West",in favour of China becos of its criticism of his war against the drug mafia in the P'ines.

Philipji,
Any one who has dealt with the Philippines would tell you that they are dreamimg to be purchased by Khan. US has a long history with them. Their friendship with the Lizard is recent and US can reverse it.
Gautam

[wasu]

Centre asks 21 smartphone makers, a chunk of them Chinese, to give phone security info

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

[ryogi]

TL:DR- the chini are about to game-nuke their population into submission, in a phased manner, after 2020.

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This is an online game, weaponized for mass obedience, owned by the largest commercial entities north of the mountains,

truly an Orwellian beast.

Due to go operational/mandatory for the chini populace by 2020.

Would strongly recommend, all the kids in my class have seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

Here's BBC's take on it:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186

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If this works, it could be a game-changer.

[Jits]

China may be fighting the Doklam war on Pakistan front

Then why is China risking a costly war? The answer to this question lies in two biggest developments in the subcontinent in the past few years: India's surgical strike inside the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir last year and China planning to build a global network of roads, ports and railways which it calls 'One Belt, One Road' (OBOR). India boycotted the grand launch of OBOR because a part of it—China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)—passes through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

India's opposition to OBOR is the biggest sore point between India and China today. And that could be the reason behind China's Doklam posture. Border disputes have lingered on for decades and have rarely led to such a prolonged stand-off.

So, the actual theatre of Doklam war might not be the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction where Indian and Chinese soldiers are facing off. It could be thousands of kilometres away—the Line of Control between India and Pakistan. In Doklam, China might be maneuvering to secure CPEC, its biggest strategic asset in the region.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

[anupmisra]

Neuter this!

China to the rescue of the helpless Africans. The flag-waving action movie´s plot line of caring and benevolent chini soldiers saving war-ravaged Africans from evil western baddies. You can take this to the box office (in china)! They even have a female cameo appearance with a one liner.



Here's the chini version. Puts Bollywood hero action movies to shame.

[anupmisra]

According to this paki newspaper, chini companies in the gulf have started laying off Indian workers.

Chinese company sacks Indian employees over technology theft, border standoff

A Chinese Telecom company has removed its Indian national employees from it Tehran and Doha units

The Chinese company in Tehran received orders to sack the employees Tuesday, while similar orders were received by the company’s management in Doha where Indian employees were immediately sacked.

The reason for dismissal of Indian employees is said to be border standoff between China and India besides alleged theft of the technology.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/22386 ... r-standoff

[TKiran]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 30--4.html

China faces split into seven parts