Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)

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Postby shravan » 08 Jan 2015 12:16

BSP MP Qureshi praises Charlie Hebdo attack, offers gunmen Rs 51 crore reward
http://www.firstpost.com/world/bsp-mp-q ... 36063.html

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Postby joygoswami » 08 Jan 2015 12:48

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Postby prahaar » 08 Jan 2015 13:18

shravan wrote:BSP MP Qureshi praises Charlie Hebdo attack, offers gunmen Rs 51 crore reward
http://www.firstpost.com/world/bsp-mp-q ... 36063.html


An MP saying "have 4 kids" is an outrage on our MSM but this horrible statement by another one is a non-event.

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Postby panduranghari » 08 Jan 2015 13:18

Anyone has link to 'Rangeela Rasool' book in an electronic format or otherwise? And is it free of copyright?


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Postby Aditya_V » 08 Jan 2015 14:27

joygoswami wrote:Image



But will attack only Hinduism and the fact that your likes can exist but blasphemy accused cannot survive in Pakistan or a Murtad is not allowed to live in GCC negates the rubbish argument.

And what about Maoist Mullahs, leftist Mullahs

And why do you want to condemn Kashmirs to the gentleness of the Paki Mullahs and uniformed Jihadis.

Can you explain.

What a cop out - rather than taking responsibility for traitorous behavior trying to escape with simple statements.

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Postby AjayKK » 08 Jan 2015 15:49

sum wrote:
Honestly never understood what is this creature called Indian muslim which BRF talks about.

99.5% of all IMs i have interacted with have views on certain items no different, from , say a TSPian


This:

Zafarul-Islam Khan, editor and publisher of The Milli Gazette

The propoganda in bold:

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/column-th ... op-2050657

This madness can and must stop…

Once again some self-styled warriors of Islam are in the news. The insane attack on a Paris magazine's office will be condemned by all sane Muslim scholars and leaders and rightly so. No faith or culture sanctions such violence, let alone Islam which itself means "peace". There is no precedent in the Prophet's own life or during the long centuries, when Islam held sway over large parts of the old world, of anyone being punished only for insulting Islam or the Prophet. What we see these days is a modern phenomenon.

No amount of condemnations is going to stamp out this scourge. Out there, there are thousands of angry young men who see Muslim countries occupied, devastated, bombed, Muslim women raped in Abu Ghreib kind of prisons in many parts of the world. They see how prosperous countries like Iraq and Libya were smashed for no reason or rhyme. They see Palestine occupied and Palestinians caged, attacked and humiliated with total impunity. They see how besieged Gaza is periodically raped and wrecked with full American and European support. They see the US and its European allies making a second comeback to Afghanistan and Iraq. On top of this they see senseless cartoons, articles and books making fun of their faith and heritage. This boiling anger comes out in bursts of futile violence.

We condemn this violence with all our force and without reservation. We pray for the victims' souls and seek their families' forgiveness. But will this stop another mad group from repeating it somewhere else in its deranged perception that it is avenging the insults heaped on the Prophet, Islam and Muslims?

West alone can stop this. It has to reconsider its insane policies, stop its wars against Islam and Muslims to demoralise Muslims and thereby control their societies and plunder their resources. West should stop its insane crusade against Islam and Muslim societies which is described as "Islamophobia". West has to withdraw its forces from Muslim countries. It has to stop its slander and coups against legitimately elected governments. West has to honour democracy in Muslim countries just as it honours it in its own lands. West has to stop supporting the Israeli occupation, humiliation and illegal settlements. This is the only key to achieve lasting peace and this is the only way to douse the fires burning in the hearts of thousands of Muslim youth across the world. Aircraft, missile and drone attacks only spread this fire. In short, the message to the Western powers is: be our "friends, not masters" as Ayub Khan had said half a century ago.


Article looks like a satire written by a BRFite. Sadly, the editor janaab is too obsessed with Ayub Khan.

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Postby Neela » 08 Jan 2015 15:56

prahaar wrote:
shravan wrote:BSP MP Qureshi praises Charlie Hebdo attack, offers gunmen Rs 51 crore reward
http://www.firstpost.com/world/bsp-mp-q ... 36063.html


An MP saying "have 4 kids" is an outrage on our MSM but this horrible statement by another one is a non-event.


There is a Xpost for this in NGO media watch thread.

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Postby Agnimitra » 09 Jan 2015 11:39

Regarding the close relations between Churchill and WS Blunt:

X-posting from the UK-Islamism thread:

Sir Winston Churchill 's family feared he might convert to Islam
In the letter, discovered by Warren Dockter, a history research fellow at Cambridge University, she pleads: “Please don’t become converted to Islam; I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise [fascination with the Orient and Islam], Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.”
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In a letter to Lady Lytton in the same year Churchill wrote: “You will think me a pasha [rank of distinction in the Ottoman Empire]. I wish I were.”

Churchill’s fascination led him and his close friend Wilfrid S. Blunt, the poet and radical supporter of Muslim causes, to dressing in Arab clothes in private while in each other’s company. Dr Dockter said of the letter from Lady Gwendoline: “Churchill had fought in Sudan and on the North West frontier of India so had much experience on being in 'Islamic areas’.

“He often came to loggerheads on imperial policies with hard-line imperialists such as Frederick Lugard, the High Commissioner of Northern Nigeria. Churchill was opposed to Lugard’s punitive expeditions against Islamic tribes in northern Nigeria.”

He points out that Lady Gwendoline’s concerns may not have been so wide of the mark. Not only did Churchill appear to regard Islam and Christianity as equals – a surprisingly progressive notion for the time – but he also admired the military prowess and history of expansion of the Ottoman Empire.

In October 1940, as Britain faced its darkest hour against Nazi Germany, Churchill approved plans to build a mosque in central London and set aside £100,000 for the project. He continued to back the building of what became the London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park – which he hoped would win support for Britain in the Muslim world at a crucial moment – even in the face of public criticism.

In December 1941, he told the House of Commons: “Many of our friends in Muslim countries all over the East have already expressed great appreciation of this gift.”

Churchill’s attitude may appear hypocritical, given his forthright defence of the British Empire – which at its height ruled over millions of Muslims across India, Egypt and the Middle East.

But Dr Dockter says a closer examination of Churchill’s attitude to the wider Muslim world reveals it to be “in stark contrast to the purely imperialistic and orientalist perspective of many of his contemporaries”.

In his book, he states: “His views of Islamic people and culture were an often paradoxical and complex combination of imperialist perceptions composed of typical orientalist ideals fused with the respect, understanding and magnanimity he had gained from his experiences in his early military career, creating a perspective that was uniquely Churchillian.”
The revelation that Churchill had a close affinity for Muslim culture comes at a time when tensions between the three great monotheistic faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam are greater than they have been for centuries.

Ironically, many of the fault lines between Islam and the West have their roots in the world Churchill helped shape after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the redrawing of the Middle East at the end of the First World War.

The settlements between the region’s colonial powers, brokered by Churchill, with T E Lawrence – “Lawrence of Arabia” – as an adviser, gave birth, in Dr Dockter’s words, to “the Middle East we know, warts and all”.

“Not many people are aware that Churchill and T E Lawrence were friends or that they worked together to solve the riddles of the Middle Eastern settlements. Understanding these settlements is paramount to understanding the legacy of Britain in the Middle East.”

Of course, Churchill did not convert to Islam, and Dr Dockter concludes that his fascination was “largely predicated on Victorian notions, which heavily romanticised the nomadic lifestyle and honour culture of the Bedouin tribes”.

Such was his limited understanding of Islam that as colonial secretary during the early 1920s he had to ask what the difference was between Shia and Sunni Muslims, the two major groupings whose long-standing animosity is currently playing out in Syria and Iraq.

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Postby kmkraoind » 09 Jan 2015 13:11

panduranghari wrote:Anyone has link to 'Rangeela Rasool' book in an electronic format or otherwise? And is it free of copyright?


Here is Hindi version (downloadable) from Archive.org. https://archive.org/details/RangeelaRasul

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Postby Shankk » 09 Jan 2015 18:52

There is no fault of Islam; seriously get over it. 99% muslims give the rest bad name!!

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Postby member_20317 » 09 Jan 2015 19:22

There is trouble in Paris.

A hostage crisis. Islamist hostage takers. A women journalist is said to be part of the hostage taker. Whatever happened to the journalistic ethics.

The two shooters of the Charlie Hebdo attack are also cornered somewhere in France.

Both situations seem linked.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Jan 2015 19:43

^^Central paris - shoppers (mostly jewish) in a kosher store taken hostage. Hostage taker female and armed.

Demanding release of the brothers involved in the mag attack y'day. All linked for sure.

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Postby Merril » 09 Jan 2015 21:16

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Central paris - shoppers (mostly jewish) in a kosher store taken hostage. Hostage taker female and armed.

Demanding release of the brothers involved in the mag attack y'day. All linked for sure.



Am hearing from pee pee see that the situation at both locations are resolved. Terrorists shot dead. Hostage safety being assessed as we speak.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 09 Jan 2015 22:07

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/suspects-in-paris-shooting-had-cache-of-arms-neighbour-says/article22372220/

Same ole cr@p about "these people are not muslims" etc. -- religious cults like islam and christianity and anything that believes in an omnipotent superfriend in the sky is nothing short of a mental disease, voluntarily adopted but later on takes control of the individual to the point where they refuse to acknowledge the obvious when they no longer control their mental disease.

“These people are not Muslims to me. In the Koran it is written that whoever takes the life of a man takes the life of all humanity,” said 20-year-old Sara Alan, an accounting student whose brother lived on the same floor as the Kouachis at 17 rue Basly. Her eyes welled with tears as she spoke.

But there were others in the neighbourhood who clearly understood what might have motivated two residents of middle-class Gennevilliers to attack a symbol of the very different culture that surrounds them in France.

“You’re asking the wrong questions,” said a young African man who approached a journalist on the street outside the kebab stand. “You should ask yourself why someone would be willing to do this, why they would be willing to risk 20 years in jail … You should ask about the gulf in French society.”


"you are asking the wrong questions?"... what this muslim oiseaule is saying beneath all that rhetoric is:

"ask yourself what you have done to make us kill you all by disrespecting us" - the rhetoric hides a strong support for these terrorists and their act of terror in the name of their religion, while laying the blame on those who point to the religious teaching as being "hatemongers" and "islamophobes". Islamic rhetoric is Twisted, evil, and brilliant -- all in one stroke.

Mr. Ali, the head of the Ennour Association, said many young Muslims feel “humiliated” by a judicial system that prioritizes freedom of speech over freedom of religion, as well as an “Islamophobic” media that he says has helped pave the way for the rise of far-right politicians such as Marine Le Pen, who has occasionally topped opinion polls in recent months.

“Humiliation radicalizes and pushes people to extremes,” Mr. Ali said “There is a minority (of French Muslims) who are not at ease, who don’t want to integrate into the French milieu.”

Mr. Ali condemned the Charlie Hebdo attack as a “criminal, barbaric act that has nothing to do with Islam,” and said he was happy to hear the newspaper was planning to publish as normal next week despite the carnage. But he hoped the paper would take account of the Muslim community it has so deeply offended.

“I want Charlie Hebdo to continue to work,” he said. “Charlie Hebdo doesn’t worry me. But I hope they will change a little the way they present Islam, and that they can understand that we can’t laugh at everything. That there are limits to humour.”


Note that this guy Mr. Ali who is saying this actually agrees with the view that he then ascribes to "a minority of french muslims who are not at ease" right before he agrees that people need to be killed for "crossing the line" in humour. Nobody is asking Ali or his jihadi ilk to laugh at Hebdo cartoons -- they are only being asked to ignore that publication, but Ali makes a veiled threat here indicating that ignoring such publications is also not an option is islam is "humiliated".

civilized societies allow islam to thrive in their midst at their own peril. The Far Right political groups are canaries in the coalmine rather than the reason for disenchantment as this "Mr.Ali" claims -- this cannot end well for anyone.

Nothing short of extermination will change such mindsets that think murdering people for offending their sentiments is perfectly acceptable and must be considered justified -- people are sent to the gallows in most countries for acting on this sentiment...except what do you do when this is the view of a few hundred million?

This regressive islamist view is shared by a large number of the followers of islam, according to this PEW poll on muslims wanting to bring on universal sharia. This global death cult will be the death of human civilization today....such as it is. humans still have a long journey in the downward spiral to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Bill Maher boldly says what needs to be said. Kudos to the man:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/bill-maher-hundreds-of-millions-of-muslims-support-attack-on-charlie-hebdo.html

Sadly India's first amendment to the constitution (thanks to the M#$%@#$er Nehru) ensures that jihadis and religious fundamentalists will always have the upper hand, and the law on their side, when it comes to speaking out against religious regressiveness that advocated violence for perceived "humiliation".

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Postby JE Menon » 09 Jan 2015 22:49

Yes Maher has been at it for a long time and the man deserves full credit for that unwavering balls-to-the-wall commitment to saying it like it is. I don't know if anyone saw that ill-informed twat Ben Affleck in one of Maher's programmes, when he cut loose against Maher and Sam Harris... Wonder what he thinks now.

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Postby Sonugn » 09 Jan 2015 22:58

Tuvaluan wrote:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/suspects-in-paris-shooting-had-cache-of-arms-neighbour-says/article22372220/

Same ole cr@p about "these people are not muslims" etc. -- religious cults like islam and christianity and anything that believes in an omnipotent superfriend in the sky is nothing short of a mental disease, voluntarily adopted but later on takes control of the individual to the point where they refuse to acknowledge the obvious when they no longer control their mental disease.

Mr. Ali, the head of the Ennour Association, said many young Muslims feel “humiliated” by a judicial system that prioritizes freedom of speech over freedom of religion, as well as an “Islamophobic” media that he says has helped pave the way for the rise of far-right politicians such as Marine Le Pen, who has occasionally topped opinion polls in recent months.

“Humiliation radicalizes and pushes people to extremes,” Mr. Ali said “There is a minority (of French Muslims) who are not at ease, who don’t want to integrate into the French milieu.”

Mr. Ali condemned the Charlie Hebdo attack as a “criminal, barbaric act that has nothing to do with Islam,” and said he was happy to hear the newspaper was planning to publish as normal next week despite the carnage. But he hoped the paper would take account of the Muslim community it has so deeply offended.

“I want Charlie Hebdo to continue to work,” he said. “Charlie Hebdo doesn’t worry me. But I hope they will change a little the way they present Islam, and that they can understand that we can’t laugh at everything. That there are limits to humour.”

Sadly India's first amendment to the constitution (thanks to the M#$%@#$er Nehru) ensures that jihadis and religious fundamentalists will always have the upper hand, and the law on their side, when it comes to speaking out against religious regressiveness that advocated violence for perceived "humiliation".

Mr. Ali condemned the Charlie Hebdo attack as a “criminal, barbaric act that has nothing to do with Islam,” and said he was happy to hear the newspaper was planning to publish as normal next week despite the carnage. But he hoped the paper would take account of the Muslim community it has so deeply offended.
What Mr.Ali is saying that, now since you got what you deserved su1ck up and get dhimmified

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Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 09 Jan 2015 23:07

^^^^
Ben Affleck was pretending to be worldly, and only stuck to the PC script. (He is generally a clueless individual.)
Nobody tunes into Bill Maher's show to listen to the likes of Ben Affleck. Regrettably, Bill often hosts idiots.

Real Time is back tonight, after their holiday break. I can well imagine the week's events playing heavy in tonight's episode.


What I'd like to see is a "Satirical Cartoon Widget". NB: This is an idea for a high-potential business, and I invite anyone reading who can pull this off, to make it happen. Basically, webmasters and other online publishers should be able to host satirical cartoons on their websites/ blogs, etc. The service, which could be a paid-for service, would generate a snippet of computer code, to be embedded into a website. This would insert a 'widget' or 'frame' or some such, into the page, and this widget/frame could display a rotating selection of satirical cartoons. Done right, cartoonists could upload their work, and publishers could select a series or collection of cartoons, and these would display in rotating fashion, with payments flowing through, and right back to cartoonists.

In sum: I'd like to see a much, much wider circulation for satire of all kinds, especially for satirical cartoons online. That would offer a fitting response to anyone who counsels the murder of cartoonists!

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Postby Tuvaluan » 09 Jan 2015 23:17

I don't know if anyone saw that ill-informed twat Ben Affleck in one of Maher's programmes, when he cut loose against Maher and Sam Harris... Wonder what he thinks now.


JEM, yes, saar, and in fact, Maher and Harris pointed to Affleck EXACTLY this kind of event (after the show was taped according to SamHarris in one of his interviews)...something like "do you know what would happen if something was said about islam and the quran in terms of mass hatred and violence from the average muslim". Ben Affleck is just another politcially correct and ignorant hollywood wanker, like the rest of them -- seriously doubt if he thought through anything he said in his diatrible which could be summed up as "I am not willing to diss people I do not know" which says a lot about his cluelessness, but the man is a perfect example of the kind of clueless political correctness of his ilk...even Christine Fair drools such drivel about people being islamophobic if they claim islam is the problem.

Le oiseaules at the NY Times actually mangled the words of one of the attacks on victims in their quest for political correctness, and actually seem to be pimping up the terrorist jihadis as reasonable and loving men...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-times-removes-mention-of-islam-quran-from-paris-survivors-account/

Sigolène Vinson, a freelancer who had decided to come in that morning to take part in the meeting, thought she would be killed when one of the men approached her.

Instead, she told French news media, the man said, “I’m not going to kill you because you’re a woman, we don’t kill women, but you must convert to Islam, read the Quran and cover yourself,” she recalled.


But as The Daily Caller pointed out Thursday afternoon, the Times has since changed that passage to read like this:
“Don’t be afraid, calm down, I won’t kill you,” the gunman told her in a steady voice, with a calm look in his eyes, she recalled. “You are a woman. But think about what you’re doing. It’s not right.”

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Postby Tuvaluan » 09 Jan 2015 23:28

And then we have stupid twats in academia that say cr@p like this -- these morons need to be taken out and given some islamic justice to set their heads straight

M. Steven Fish, a political scientist at the University of California, Berkeley, sought to quantify the correlation between Islam and violence. In his book, “Are Muslims Distinctive?,” he found that murder rates were substantially lower in Muslim-majority countries and instances of political violence were no more frequent.

Over a 15-year period ending in 2008, Islamist militants were responsible for 60 percent of high-casualty terrorist bombings, his study found, but almost all were concentrated in just a handful of Muslim-majority countries in the context of larger conflicts that were occurring — places like Afghanistan after the American invasion or Algeria after the military takeover.

“Is Islam violent? I would say absolutely not,” Mr. Fish said in an interview. “There is very little empirical evidence that Islam is violent.”


This "professor of political science" apparently needs more empirical evidence before he starts considering the possibility that islam is violent, and these kind of jokers are the ones moulding the minds of tomorrow in the USA. I predict a bright green future for the USA with such people guiding their youth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/raising-questions-within-islam-after-france-shooting.html

This imbecile who calls himself a professor is a looking at murder rates within islamic societies rather than the murder rates when muslims operate in free societies -- of course, the fear of decapitation and having your nuts sliced off with a sword will be a detterrent in a sharia-ruled society, but it is the behavior of these aholes outside of that environment, and in a free and liberal society, that should be of interest to this moron, unless he thinks he lives in the Islamic Kaliphate of Kalifornia. There is ample data suggesting that muslims are in prisons out-of-proportion to their numbers in the general population, which indicates a huge correlation, contradicting the claim made by this fool "professor fish".

The other part is how the NY Times pulls this one loser out of its butt to justify its political correctness w.r.t. islam -- the US govt. needs to suck up to the islamists in the US and around the world for its own reasons and they are not above misleading their own citizens to achieve that goal.

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Postby chetak » 09 Jan 2015 23:57

joygoswami wrote:Image


What about the (fe)male mullahs of the journalist world??

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Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jan 2015 00:01

What was brought out in the recent attack in France is that there are 5 million Muslims in France, within which 5000 are suspected to be radicalized, and of course, only a handful of those 5000 have actually committed crimes in France. So one might take the M. Steven Fish view.

But what was also brought out in the recent attack in France is that the French security forces don't have enough manpower to keep surveillance on 5000 radicals to try to prevent attacks from happening.

So it takes only 0.1% of the population to be radicalized and of those only 0.1% to commit acts of terror (which makes it rational to expect more incidents from the radicalized) to completely tie up the security apparatus of a nation.

Notice that terror is not like other crimes. E.g., an individual citizen can do a lot to try to protect himself from crime, because crime comes from material motives, so, e.g., you put your valuables in a locker in the bank, you lock your car when you leave it, etc.

The nature of terrorism is that it seeks to cause terror, i.e., it is random, unpredictable, etc. It strikes at schools, offices, places of worship, stadiums, trains, buses etc,. places where people congregate, etc. It is difficult to guard against.

So the question "is Islam violent?" is not a properly posed question. A lower murder rate among Muslims related to money, lust, and the other common motives than other people is besides the point. Even the incidence of conventional warfare is besides the point. It is all about terrorism.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 00:39

Good point, A_Gupta, Let us rephrase the question to match the original intent of the question: "is islam prone to religious terrorism more than other religions?" which leaves out other motives for committing crime.

Here is a partial list from wikipedia of the list of terrorist attacks and the ideology behind terrorist attacks in the past few decades:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ba ... death_toll

Under the section "Terrorist Attacks" - there is a strong correlation to islamic jihadism and terror where the causal factor is religious ideology/brainwashing.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 01:04

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-others/danish-newspaper-says-wont-print-prophet-cartoons/

The terrorist jihadi mofos are having a self-censoring effect (out of fear for their lives) on press freedoms regardless, and this is all being cheered on by the rest of the regressive losers in the alleged "muslim world".

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Postby shravanp » 10 Jan 2015 01:15

Missing bold voices like Bal Thackeray.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 01:27

Sorry to disagree. BT was just another politically motivated joker -- if he supported freedom of expression, it is a well-kept secret. The $%^ and his minions beat people up for saying stuff from the time of inception of SS, and that is just a short step away from shooting people for saying stuff you don't like.

There is a need for people who speak their mind, but politically motivated thugs of a different kind are not it. Man just started his own political dynasty after his nasty bigoted politics won over people.

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Postby chetak » 10 Jan 2015 01:28

skekatpuray wrote:Missing bold voices like Bal Thackeray.


not to forget that the same gent also removed jehadi sanjay dutt from TADA which dutt richly deserved.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 02:58

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/08/jesuisahmed-twitter-hashtag_n_6438132.html

The entire islamic crowd that does not want to admit the problem in its midst is now pouncing on the Muslim cop who was killed by the terrorists yesterday. This article in the huffpo:

"It is a snub to the stigmatisation of Islam and a reminder that Muslims in France are not all Islamist radicals,” Casters told the BBC via email. “I only wanted to share my opinion and my state of mind with my close friends and followers ... it seems that many people share my beliefs and did what's necessary to relay it to the masses."


All the politically correct people who are falling all over this "Je Suis Ahmed" line as "snub to the islamophobes and bigots" are either overlooking are failing to comprehend that

(a) the claim is not that all muslims are evil -- the claim is that the true believers of islam, and the ones who actually practise all the tenets of islam are extremely intolerant and willing to murder when their religious sentiments are offended.

(b) Who is practising the correct version of Islam, Mr. Ahmad or the terrorists? The stats from the muslim states on muslims who want the sharia (clearly more commited to islam than the muslims who do not care for the sharia) indicate that the terrorists are practising the truer, i.e., more literally accurate, version of islam.

(c) If the terrorists had known he was a muslim, would they have spared him? And in that case, would everyone be singing "je suis ahmed" as a "snub to islamophobes". It is not like the terrorists had time to chat up with the cop to find out his identity before they shot him in cold blood -- but then we also see these same terrorist types saying stuff like "it is wrong to kill another true muslim"...would they have considered Mr. Ahmed who worked for a kafir government as a "good muslim" or a "bad muslim"?


The ambiguity in all these religious texts provide cover to the murderers and the good folks, which is exactly what these islamist murderers take advantage of. Political correctness is despicable because it moves legitimate thoughts from emerging for the sake of expedience for whatever reason, and provides perfect cover for the jihadi mofos practising Taqqiya on people who are clueless to know any better.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 03:45

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders

Something sensible from the New Yorker at least.

Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a “distortion” of a great religion. (After suicide bombings in Baghdad, I grew used to hearing Iraqis say, “No Muslim would do this.”) Others want to lay the blame entirely on the theological content of Islam, as if other religions are more inherently peaceful—a notion belied by history as well as scripture.

A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique.


Though "substantial minority" is not necessarily true going by the fact that most muslims live in islamic countries that practise the shariat. "A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. " is about right, but anyone who suggests disavowing parts of the text is not a good muslim by definition, so how can the texts themselves not be blamed for advocating violence, which they do (along with dissembling about peace and love).

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Y. Kanan » 10 Jan 2015 05:43

This French terror attack will go down in history as a decisive victory for Islam worldwide. Far more effective than 9/11 or any other high-profile traditional attack, because this time they effectively targeted everyone's free speech in a way that really drives the message home to all kaffirs everywhere.

Self-censorship will now become the rule for journalists, writers and entertainers worldwide. This is the first step towards completely dominating the public discourse. Eventually this translates into complete domination of the nation's political system. As I've said before, muslims need only attain a 5-10% share of the total pop. to achieve the first goal (forcing everyone to silence their own voices in fear of their lives). The second step (political control of the entire country) comes when the muslims comprise about 30-40% of the population. That's really all it takes for Islam to control any soft western country.

Frankly, we're not much better. With muslims already comprising at least 20% of our population (official stats dramatically understate their true #'s), I question how our country can survive the coming century in any form that we would recognize today.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 06:05

Bill Maher Nails it:

Condemning attack is not enuf: unless U strongly endorse the right of anyone to make fun of any religion/prophet, U r not a moderate Muslim


Using this definition, the number of "moderate" muslims who are anything but, is a large proportion of the overall population, not some insignificant minorty as the tools in the media and government keep repeating over and over.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Cosmo_R » 10 Jan 2015 06:29

Tuvaluan wrote:http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders

Something sensible from the New Yorker at least.

Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a “distortion” of a great religion. (After suicide bombings in Baghdad, I grew used to hearing Iraqis say, “No Muslim would do this.”) Others want to lay the blame entirely on the theological content of Islam, as if other religions are more inherently peaceful—a notion belied by history as well as scripture.

A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is currently unique.


Though "substantial minority" is not necessarily true going by the fact that most muslims live in islamic countries that practise the shariat. "A religion is not just a set of texts but the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. " is about right, but anyone who suggests disavowing parts of the text is not a good muslim by definition, so how can the texts themselves not be blamed for advocating violence, which they do (along with dissembling about peace and love).


Islam is not the problem. Muslims are. They digest interpretations by Mullahs who don't understand Arabic and thus or in disregard thereof promulgate these acts.

Bottom line. How do you tell a 'good Muslim' from a bad one? Tattoos, badges?

Why are the rest of us responsible for figuring out a 'good' versus 'bad' muslim before stuff happens?

Every age has its 'isms' that we must fight and conquer. Fascism, communism, colonialism, imperialism etc.

We are faced today with an nihilistic ideology that has has cloaked itself in religious terms —anticipating that we are ill equipped to deny them the right to demand a tolerance on our part of their intolerance.

Google what happened in Spain between 1492 and 1507 when Ferdinand and Isabella took charge and confronted the ideology.

That is the remaining option for the ROW before we are overwhelmed by the darkness that would have us believe in sacrificing life today for an empty and non-verifiable promise of tomorrow.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Vayutuvan » 10 Jan 2015 06:34

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What happened to the wide-eyed "oh ho, I am in the middle of hawks" "I have become shiva the destroyer of the worlds" "cost of living" "economist"? She looks just like me (may be 10 years her senior) - white hair, sunken eyes, goofy smile. OMG, may be she is my nicer twin :shock:

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 07:00

Islam is not the problem. Muslims are. They digest interpretations by Mullahs who don't understand Arabic and thus or in disregard thereof promulgate these acts.


There is no misinterpretation going on here. The jihadis are actually the ones being very true to the Koran, not the so-called "moderates" who shield these jihadis from criticism. Yes, christianity had these warts too, and the inquisitions are evidence of that. But they seem to have worked that out of their systems to allow mockery of their religions without getting violent.

The ones that actually follow the Quran literally are the violent ones, but it is the "moderate muslims" and the politically correct wankers who are the first ones to jump up with excuses on how islam is a wonderful religion that is all about peace and love, ignoring the fact that all the jihadis are explicitly quoting religious texts that leave no room for misinterpretation.

I am unable to find alternate interpretation "slay all the unbelievers wherever you find them" that does not imply killing people is wrong, for example.

But the muslims will always quote cr@p about how islam says "killing one person is like killing all of humanity"...this contradictory horsedung in the Quran has the rest of non-muslims running around in circles like headless chicken, confused as to who the bad guy in all this...maybe it is the guy who is pointing out that those people who dissemble about Kuran's exhortations of slaughtering non-muslims are the actual "bigots" who are "islamophobic"...after all, what is there to fear about islam, except you may get your nuts or head sliced off if you "offend islamic sensibilities"?

High time the so-called "moderate muslims" make it clear to the rest of us "islamophobic" jokers which of the two exhortations is "true islam", you know, the one they talk about as being wonderful and loving.
Then we can all stop being islamophobic and maybe even write tomes on "how I learnt to stop fearing islam and love it".

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby shiv » 10 Jan 2015 07:22

Cosmo_R wrote:Islam is not the problem. Muslims are.


If Muslims are so easily led astray and believe that a peaceful Islam is not peaceful., why should non Muslims like me not be equally "deluded" and believe that Islam is the problem. Why is it my responsibility to be intelligent, discriminating and discerning?

Why would the family of a person killed by men shouting "Allah ho Akbar" feel better knowing the fine point that you make. Muslims/Islam what's the difference?

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby arun » 10 Jan 2015 07:41

shravan wrote:BSP MP Qureshi praises Charlie Hebdo attack, offers gunmen Rs 51 crore reward
http://www.firstpost.com/world/bsp-mp-q ... 36063.html


Cartoonist Manjul who works with newspaper DNA on how the term “Freedom of Expression” has been misappropriated in order to incite Mohammadden violence. Cartoon on the announcement at Meerut of INR 510 Million bounty for the Mohammadden Terrorists responsible for the slaughter at the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo by Bahaujan Samaj Party (BSP) leader and former UP State Minister, Haji Yakoob Qureshi. Notwithstanding adherents of Mohammaddenism proclaiming their religion to be “The Religion of Peace”, pilgrimage to Mohammadden religious centre of Mecca on the Haj, does not seem to have caused the virtue of peace to have seeped into this politicians heart or mind.

Meanwhile I see no reports of any Police action for incitement against Haji Yakoob. Anyone know if the communal Mohammadden votebank pandering “Secular” Samajwadi Party administration of Uttar Pradesh has done anything to arrest this politician? :


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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby arun » 10 Jan 2015 08:04

Mani Shankar Aiyar, politician belonging to the Nehru-Gandhi family led “Secular” political party with a communally minded agenda of pandering to Mohammadden religious minority for vote-bank purposes and permanent fixture of “Track 2” circuit of appeasing the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is predictably soft on the Mohammadden Terrorist slaughter at the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. On Twitter the Congress party politician gets the stick:

Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar justifies Charlie Hebdo killing, Twitter declares war

See Twitter here:

#AiyarTerrorLogic

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby arun » 10 Jan 2015 08:52

X posted from the "Oppression of minorities in Pakistan" thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan sees a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan targeting members of the minority Shia sect who had gathered outside a Mohammadden place of worship in order to celebrate Eid e Milad Un Nabi or the birthday of the Prophet of Mohammaddenism.

For a religion whose adherents loudly proclaims that theirs is “The Religion Of Peace” and get very offended when claim is rejected by Non-Mohammaddens, the frequent attacks on Mosques / Imambargahs and other places of religious significance to Mohammaddens themselves like shrines and the frequent attacks on days that are of religious significance by Mohammaddens themselves, is shockingly high.:

Suicide bomber targets Pakistan mosque : Seven Shias killed and several injured as attacker blows himself up at the entrance to the building in Rawalpindi.
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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jan 2015 08:54

Can we leave this thread for just how islam is viewed around the world and leave out paki news. There are enough threads on pakistan and islam in pakistan outside of this. thanks.


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