Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)

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UKstanis are starting to squeal just because muslims reached 3 million. That is a very small percentage out of 65 million britons. The britishers bigotry and intolerance, is showing up just because some minority population reached a very small percentage of overall population. All kinds of concerns and bigoted statements are issued by the britishers.

Imagine, if India were to utter such statements on christian minorities, who are much more in percentage compared to the 3 million, in India, the britishers/EU would be the first one to sermon India about how tolerance, peas and progress.
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arun wrote:Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian violence in Syria. Suicide bombing and VBIED by Sunni Mohammadden group Islamic State targeting Shia / Shiite neighbourhood of Damascus, kills 45.

With prominent Mohammadden political leaders like Pervez Musharraf, Mahatir Mohamad, Asif Ali Zardari, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan etc. claiming that “Islam is a Religion of Peace” how is that a group that names itself “Islamic State” regularly carries out un-peaceful acts that kill co-religionists?:

At least 45 killed in Damascus suburb bombings, ISIS claims responsibility


Death toll in the Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian attack in Damascus in Syria climbs from 45 to 71:

Syria Shia shrine blast death toll rises to 71
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arun wrote:Reports now coming in for another round of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden bloodletting on Saturday. This round involving Mohammadden group Boko Haram targeting Dalori Village near Maiduguri in Nigeria’s Mohammadden majority Borno State:

At least 65 people killed in attack in Nigeria's Maiduguri city
Death toll in the Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden bloodletting in Nigeria on Saturday around Maiduguri in Nigeria climbs from 65 to 86:

Boko Haram Attack Kills at Least 86 in Nigeria
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Saudi Paranoia Knows No Limits !
Saudi Arabia to gather fingerprints of mobile phone users
The Saudi Ministry of Interior passed the new law to try and curb mobile phone users from engaging in activities that 'threaten national security' (wide interpretation !)
Saudi Arabia has begun to fingerprint anyone looking to buy a SIM card as a security measure, with the first phase of the new law going into effect on Tuesday, according to reports.

London-based Saudi newspaper al-Hayat reported that fingerprint data will be shared with the kingdom’s National Information Centre to “confirm the identity of the buyer” who purchases a SIM card.

The report said that Saudis must give fingerprints to access “services provided by employees of the communications sector,” so it remains unclear whether the new law will apply just to SIM cards or to wider internet-related activity.

A source working in the communications industry told Hayat: “The first phase of the fingerprinting scheme is being implemented from today (Tuesday). The decision was taken last year but implementation has been delayed until this year because some of the mobile phone companies working in the kingdom had to get fingerprint-reading equipment from outside Saudi Arabia.”
The law was initially passed on 2 September 2015, according to Hayat, after the Ministry of Interior requested authorities step up efforts to stop people using mobile phones for purposes that “threaten national security”.
Saudi Arabia has suffered several deadly bombings over the past year claimed by militants associated with the Islamic State group. Attacks have targeted Shia mosques in the kingdom’s east and security services in the south.
All mobile phone companies must comply with the new rules on purchasing SIM cards, Hayat reported.
A previous attempt by Saudi authorities in 2012 to regulate mobile phone usage, which required users to give their residence numbers or otherwise prove their identity before purchase, failed.
Have the Saudi regime thought through the effect of falling world oil prices on many of their hare brained schemes(like this one !); will they be able to implemented these "useless" measures in view of their rising budget deficits :mrgreen:
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Secret Lives Of Saudi Royals Revealed - Part II
Film set to reveal the 'secret lives' of Saudi Arabia's royal family
A film is being made that will claim to reveal the untold lives of Saudi Arabia’s royal family, focusing on the claims of a Palestinian woman who says she was a secret wife of the late King Fahd bin Abdulaziz al-Saud.
Janan Harb, 68, is a Palestinian-born Christian who says that after a forced conversion to Islam in 1968 as a 20-year-old, she married the 47-year-old(the Saudi penchant for "only fresh items") “dashing and immensely powerful” Fahd, who was at the time Saudi Arabia’s crown prince and first in line to the throne.
But the royal family didn’t like Harb and in 1970 she was forced to flee Saudi Arabia at two hours’ notice after Fahd’s brother Salman, the current king, told him to get rid of her and her family.
Last November she won a landmark UK high court case and Abdulaziz was ordered to pay up, although the prince has until the end of March 2016 to decide whether to try and appeal the ruling.
In the interim, Harb has sold the rights to her extraordinary story to media relations consultant Damien McCrystal, who says funding has been secured in part to produce a film that will provide a unique insight into the inner workings of Saudi Arabia’s famously secretive royal family.
The Saudis will go to any length to sabotage this "project" !
Harb says she doesn’t regret marrying Fahd and in fact describes him as a “gentleman” who she has to thank because “he allowed me to escape Saudi rather than killing me”.
However, she admits that if Fahd were alive he “would not be very happy” about the film being made.
“But it has to come out,” she said. “No one in the whole world knows exactly how they live inside their palaces.” she told Middle East Eye. “It is part of history.” (obviously, there is a bit of hype involved here :mrgreen: )
The film is being made by British director Malcolm Walker of the London-based production company Itasca and McCrystal estimates that it will require a budget of between five and 15 million pounds.
Its working title is “The Weaknesses of King Fahd” and beyond making salacious claims about Fahd’s personal life, it will also prominently feature the current King of Saudi Arabia Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud.
Harb says she knew Salman back when she lived in the palace with Fahd, but she doesn’t speak highly of him.
“He is not one of the nice people. I called him the ‘Butcher of Riyadh’ because of how he executed so many people,” she said, in a reference to Salman’s governorship of Saudi capital Riyadh.
“He didn’t have a good reputation, he was very aggressive. He was the one behind me being told to leave. But, he was a very handsome man – handsome and a dictator!”
Harb’s autobiography, telling the full story of her life as Fahd’s secret wife, is planned to be published by the end of 2016. No date has been set for when the film will be completed.
In Saudi Arabia it is fair to say Harb's story is given short-shrift.
When contacted by Middle East Eye for comment prominent journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a former advisor to the royal family, said: "I prefer to stay away from such gossip stories."
Despite her controversial claims, Harb doesn't fear any retribution from Saudi Arabia.
“I am Palestinian, I don’t get frightened,” she said.
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Trump, Jihad, Sharia, Intolerance: Why Indians Must Learn A Little Unreasonableness
If you are wondering why Donald Trump, despite being widely derided as an unspeakable politician (especially for his sexist and uncouth language) is still leading the polls for a Republican nomination, the answer is counter-intuitive: being politically incorrect and unreasonable is actually key to his success.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
To call Trump “progress” may not be apt, but the point is this: it is the unreasonable idea or the unmovable person who brings about change, even if the change is for the worse.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb, in an interview to The Times of India today (1 February), explains why an intransigent minority can make everybody adopt something they didn’t want. He explains why a three percent minority which won’t eat genetically-modified (GM) food or a small section of the population that wants halal meat effectively forces the entire world to change its tastes.
Look at examples that go beyond dietary habits. Only a tiny fraction of Muslims may want Sharia law, but since the majority of Muslims does not oppose it, Sharia becomes the way to go for everybody. Put differently, a small group of determined rogues can have a huge impact on the whole world.
A Hindu has no objection to anyone having his own approach to religion, but this is not the case with Christianity or Islam. In other words, the Hindu is open to Christian and Islamic ideas, but the reverse is not true at all. So while Hinduism is naïve and accommodative, the religions that are closed to outside influence have an edge in the numbers game, unless Hindus also decide to become unreasonable about their faith.
By implication, it means that India’s reasonableness with Pakistan can only end in strengthening the latter. Maybe we should try to be more intransigent with Pakistan.[ (success guarenteed!) :mrgreen: /quote]
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A (non-muslim) colleague of mine thinks that there's nothing poisonous in Quran and all the evil that emanates via Islam is because of mis-inference of the scripture.
Now I can assemble all the goody goody verses of Quran with authentic contemporary translations to refute and have promised him so.
But that being a time consuming exercise, looking for some videos, YouTube channels, articles etc where all that is available. Please suggest some so I could save the manual labor.

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Virendra wrote:A (non-muslim) colleague of mine thinks that there's nothing poisonous in Quran and all the evil that emanates via Islam is because of mis-inference of the scripture.
Now I can assemble all the goody goody verses of Quran with authentic contemporary translations to refute and have promised him so.
But that being a time consuming exercise, looking for some videos, YouTube channels, articles etc where all that is available. Please suggest some so I could save the manual labor.

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Actually he is not sleeping in that sense. I mean he is a sensible person who can be reasoned with.
Besides, I'll just share the stuff and leave it at that. Convincing any further is not on my agenda anyway
Thanks Singha
Anyone else?
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demographic change 8)

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Virendra wrote:Actually he is not sleeping in that sense. I mean he is a sensible person who can be reasoned with.
Besides, I'll just share the stuff and leave it at that. Convincing any further is not on my agenda anyway
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http://www.islam-watch.org/books/islami ... lavery.pdf
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US will never face issue of refugees. They bribe all these retarded liberals all over the world to pressure their own countries to take this filth. They spend billions to screw all other countries. Retarded Europeans fell for this crap and are stuck with this problem.

The Lonely Chancellor: Merkel Under Fire as Refugee Crisis Worsens
The German chancellor took a deep breath before launching into a sober analysis of the job she has done in the past two months. Unfortunately, her conclusion was not particularly rosy.

She knows, Merkel said, that there still isn't European agreement on how to share the refugee burden; that there is still no deal with Turkey on slowing the inflow of migrants into Europe; and that along the Balkan Route, used by hundreds of thousands of Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis in recent weeks in their quest to seek asylum in Germany and other northern European countries, there is a lack of "order" and "control." In particular, Merkel said, she is concerned about that "which makes Germany so strong," namely "the societal center." She is constantly asking herself, Merkel related, "if we are losing the center."

One of Merkel's great strengths is an unerring sense for political reality. As such, her comments at the town meeting early last week show that nobody knows better than Germany's chancellor just how precarious the situation in the country has become. The influx of refugees continues unabated and Merkel's public approval ratings continue to fall in lockstep with sinking support for her center-right Christian Democrats (CDU). Meanwhile, her quarrel with Horst Seehofer, head of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the CDU's Bavarian sister party, has reached a new and dangerous level. Seehofer has issued so many ultimatums to the chancellor that he will eventually be forced to make good on one of his threats -- which could throw Merkel's suddenly wobbly governing coalition completely off kilter.

'The End of the Merkel Era'

The government, in short, has lost control. And Germany is in a state of emergency.

Merkel can still rely on a large number of supporters within her own party. But each day that thousands of refugees cross into Germany, the certainty that such support is sustainable erodes a bit further. Not long ago, Merkel was considered the strongest political leader in Europe, one whose term in office could only come to an end were she to decide herself against running for reelection in 2017. Now, both foreign and domestic media outlets are wondering aloud whether she will run into serious trouble before Christmas, or shortly thereafter. "The end of the Merkel era is within sight," the Financial Times wrote a week ago.

Merkel's historic decision to open Germany's borders to refugees stuck in Hungary was morally unassailable. But politically, it has put her on the defensive. Now, in order to tighten up Europe's external borders, she is dependent on the help of erstwhile opponents such as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras.

In the EU, meanwhile, her maxim that Europe should not get back into the business of building border fences is being openly questioned. Austrian Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner, for example, announced last week that her country was being forced to build additional security facilities because the "inflow" from Slovenia was larger than the "outflow" into Germany.

There is no shortage of schadenfreude these days when European politicians speak about the German chancellor. The true ruler of Europe, who forced her austerity policies upon the entire Continent, must now come begging for help in dealing with the refugee crisis, people in Brussels are saying.

Indeed, it is slowly becoming apparent that Merkel's influence in the EU is waning just as her support evaporates back home in Germany. To be sure, the chancellor's stock has risen in recent weeks among Green Party supporters and left-wing Social Democrats. But her own core of center-right voters is fearful that the "refugees welcome" movement could give rise to a parallel society of Muslims in the country.
Now Europe and Germany will be fighting RW and skinheads dictating terms to Christian Dems who use liberal sh1t to push Xian take over of countries like India. Now the morons won't have time to preach this nonsense to India.
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What manner of beastie be a “Hindu who practises Isalm” :-? :?:

Anyway whatever the answer may be; an elite public school education at Doon School, parent who retired as a Major General in the Indian Army and a working carreer with a flock of MNC’s did not dull the urge, which appears to have been brought on by the exposure to Mohammaddenism, to associate with Mohammadden Terrorists and aspire to be one :

Son of ex-Major General held in Goa for ‘terror links’



Added Later: Hat Tip Jhujar for posting the article in the Internal Security thread.
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Hashim Amla refuses to give interview to Indian TV anchor as she was underdressed?
Top South African cricketer Hashim Amla reportedly denied an interview to an Indian TV anchor who was underdressed.

Amla, a devout Muslim, was unhappy at the short dress and low-neck top the woman was wearing. He put forward his condition which the organizers agreed to following which the anchor was asked to return with different attire.
Apparently, the host was Mayanti.
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Australia’s Justice system is to applauded for taking a firm stand against Mohammadden practise of Female Genital Mutilation aka FGM even going to the extent of convicting a Mohammadden Cleric. Unfortunate that India’s justice system has not shown the same spine in tackling this ghastly Mohammadden practise:

Islamic leader, mother and nurse convicted of genital mutilation of two girls, 7, are 'remorseful' but judge finds 'no evidence' they will try to stamp out the practice in their community
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AbhiJ wrote:Hashim Amla refuses to give interview to Indian TV anchor as she was underdressed?
Top South African cricketer Hashim Amla reportedly denied an interview to an Indian TV anchor who was underdressed.

Amla, a devout Muslim, was unhappy at the short dress and low-neck top the woman was wearing. He put forward his condition which the organizers agreed to following which the anchor was asked to return with different attire.
Apparently, the host was Mayanti.
Nothing that the flash of cash cannot undo :wink: .

Hashim Amla back in 2012 was reported to have revealed that he avoided playing in Indian Premier League (IPL) as he believes the T20 league spread things which are forbidden in Mohammaddenism :P . That however did not stop him from putting his Mohammadden sensibilities aside and making himself available for the 2015 IPL 8 auction where he found no taker :lol: . Hashim Amla once again set aside his Mohammadden sensibilities and put himself up for presently ongoing 2016 IPL 9 auction where the latest news is that he again found no taker. IPL Team owners are perhaps wary that Hashim Amla will demand that women watching the games at the stadium should all wear burqua’s aka burka’s so as not appear “underdressed”.

IPL spreads things forbidden in Islam: Hashim Amla


No takers for Hashim Amla in IPL 8 auction


IPL 2016 Auction Live Updates & Blog
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Pro-Jihadi And Anti-Semitic Propaganda Being Published From New Delhi's Abul Fazl Enclave - Tufail Ahmed
February 5, 2016 MEMRI Daily Brief No.77
New Delhi's Abul Fazl Enclave Emerging As India's Biggest Publication Center For Jihadi Literature – And Antisemitic Literature, Including Book On 'Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion'By: Tufail Ahmad*
While global attention is focused on the Pakistan-Afghanistan region as the breeding ground of South Asian jihad, it is actually New Delhi's Abul Fazl Enclave area that has emerged as the global clearinghouse of jihadi literature in Arabic, Urdu, English and Hindi.
Since 9/11, governments across the world have acted against the publication of jihadi books, magazines, and digital literature, but at the same time, a number of Islamist and jihadi publication houses have emerged in Abul Fazl Enclave, surviving right under the nose of the Indian security establishment. It may be that the jihadi literature published from Abul Fazl Enclave goes undetected because the Indian intelligence agencies have no Urdu-language expertise, or because the Urdu-language staff hired by them turn a blind eye to such literature. It appears that Islamist books written by radical Indian writers such as Rashid Shaz are also being published in Arabic from London.
Abul Fazl Enclave is part of Jamia Nagar, a predominantly Muslim region of New Delhi that is the seat of the Jamia Millia Islamia – a government-funded university attended predominantly by Muslims. In this region, Abul Fazl Enclave is the headquarters of Jamaat-e-Islami Hind (or Jamaat-e-Islami India). This is South Asia's largest Islamist organization, founded by Maulana Abul A'la Maududi (1903-1979). Maududi was a jihadi ideologue for South Asia, much like Hassan Al-Banna and Syed Qutub were jihadi ideologues for the Middle East and elsewhere. Due to the partition of the Indian Subcontinent in 1947 and the creation of Bangladesh in 1971, this religious network has the following organizationally unconnected branches: Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Jamaat-e-Islami Hind, and Jamaat-e-Islami Jammu & Kashmir.
The Jamaat-e-Islami Hind – with its headquarters based in Abul Fazl Enclave – distinguishes itself organizationally from Jamaat-e-Islami Jammu & Kashmir, though all the branches of this religious organization founded by Maududi have the same ideological affiliation. In Pakistan, Bangladesh, or the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir, the Jamaat-e-Islami branches have sheltered jihadis over the past two decades and more. In India's Jammu & Kashmir, Jamaat-e-Islami units even today continue to shelter jihadis infiltrating in from Pakistan. It is not surprising then that it is in Abul Fazl Enclave that a number of Islamist publication houses are regularly translating and publishing jihadi books in Urdu, as discussed below. These pro-jihad books are being supplied to Urdu-speaking audiences very cheaply, certainly below printing costs.

Books published from Abul Fazl Enclave are openly sold in many parts of India, including in Jammu & Kashmir state, where India has faced a serious jihadi threat sponsored from Pakistan. Shops in Srinagar, the capital of Jammu & Kashmir state, openly displayed such books. There is a global ideological pattern in the literature published from the printing presses based in Abul Fazl Enclave. These are outright translations into Urdu of Arabic-language jihadi books authored by Syed Qutb, Hasan Al-Banna, Abul A'la Maududi and others like them, or are written by Indian Muslim writers with the aim of cultivating Islamist viewpoints among Urdu-speaking audiences in India, and therefore also include books that foment hatred of Jews and Israel in furtherance of jihadi ideology among Indian Muslims, whose population is forecast to be larger than any Muslim country by 2050. These books published from Abul Fazl Enclave do not distinguish between criticizing Israel and hatred of Jews.

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is in possession of some of these books published by different printing presses based in Abul Fazl Enclave and other parts of Delhi. Given below are some examples of these books in MEMRI's possession, insofar as they shed some light on Abul Fazl Enclave's emergence as India's lead publishing center for jihadi books.
t appears that the publishing houses based in Abul Fazl Enclave, like Islamic organizations worldwide, both peaceful and non-peaceful, engage in fomenting hatred of Jews and Israel, without distinguishing between them....
Relevant authorities need to take action, if not already done so
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Regressives among the Indian Supreme Court Judges

Granted the final arguments are not yet done, but don't be surprised if the islamists in the Jamaat-e-islami can create their own islamist version of "women's rights" (or rather denying muslim women equal rights), while the same SC thinks it can interfere with the personal laws of the majority with abandon. Everyone equal in the eyes of the law? we have to see. Reinforces arguments for Uniform Civil Code, so that SC judges don't start hallucinating about their own omnipotence as an unelected, self-selecting body functioning with zero oversight.
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UK Father living in fear after converting to christianity from Islam

Every fake-liberal "moderate" muslim will lie and dissemble when asked about apostasy being punishable by death in Islam -- this is a litmust test. Try this on self-proclaimed "moderate liberal" muslims who get all preachy with you about islam being a religion of peace. You leave Islam and a mob of "moderate" muslims will collude to kill you for daring to leave a religion of peace.
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arun wrote:Female Bangladeshi Mohammadden writer Ms. Taslima Nasrin / Taslima Nasreen on the Dhimmi like behaviour of our self-proclaimed “Secular’s” aka “Pseudo-secular’s”.
Most secular people are pro-Muslims and anti-Hindu. They protest against the acts of Hindu fundamentalists and defend the heinous acts of Muslim fundamentalists.
Politicians appease Muslims for votes in India. Muslims get so much favour that angers many Hindus. It is true that sometimes Muslims get tortured only because they are Muslims. But it happens to other religious community too. In Canning, a Hindu village in West Bengal, was burnt down by Muslim fanatics in 2013. If Muslims were brutally persecuted in India, they would have left India for neighbouring Muslim countries like Hindu minorities have been leaving Bangladesh and Pakistan since Partition.
See {partial?} text of interview with TOI’s Sagarika Ghosh here:

Indian writers guilty of double standards when it comes to dissent: Taslima Nasrin
Exiled from Bangladesh for annoying Mohammaddens, author Taslima Nasrin asks yet again why “secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists”. Why indeed?
Responding to a query put forth by writer K. Sachidanandan, Ms. Nasrin wondered why secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists. She alleged that a democracy based on pseudo-secularism was not a true democracy at all. She said that the true conflict in India was between secularism and fundamentalism, between Innovation and tradition, between humanity and barbarianism and between people who value freedom and who do not.
All religions are anti-woman: Taslima Nasrin
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arun wrote: Exiled from Bangladesh for annoying Mohammaddens, author Taslima Nasrin asks yet again why “secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists”. Why indeed?
The fundamental framework of this question is severely flawed and hence GIGO (garbage in garbage out). The premise Hindu fundamentalists is an oxymoron and a back-handed legitimization of equal equal between actual monotheistic fundamentalism (generally and specifically islamic fundamentalism) with others. This sort of obfuscation is generally resorted to by opportunists who have very shallow erudition, but high on pretense to grab limelight. There are many such opportunists abound, who will not let go of an opportunity to hog limelight. Taslima nasreen is no different from that phenomenon. She is leveraging her victimhood to parade and package her ignorance as pearls of wisdom. Just because the discourse is skewed so much, even such broken clocks are being counted as friendlies by non-fundamentalists. Such is the travesty and the road to recovery of genuine and truthful scholarship and dialog is a long one in the Indian sub-continent.

One more of the bull-droppings from attention seeker...
All religions are anti-woman: Taslima Nasrin
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All religions are anti-woman: Taslima Nasrin
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Interesting that her "Attention seeking" has made her live a life in exile as an outcast. And whether we like it or not, religious fundamentalism exists in many religions, though not all of them are motivated by religious texts or preach violence explicitly like the Quran and the old testament do. But then to be more precise about the level of fundamentalist associated with an ideology, we would have to use a sliding scale of fundamentalism to relatively grade fundamentalists. It takes courage to speak one's mind at great cost to one's personal life -- all too easy to pretend that the convictions of a person like TN is just due to poor character and a profiteering nature, like the islamists do (and want her dead for it). Seems like Islamists find allies in the strangest places when it comes to hating atheists.
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ThiruV wrote: It takes courage to speak one's mind at great cost to one's personal life -- all too easy to pretend that the convictions of a person like TN is just due to poor character and a profiteering nature, like the islamists do (and want her dead for it). Seems like Islamists find allies in the strangest places when it comes to hating atheists.
A courageous person would not speak in general inanities by clubbing "all religions are anti-feminazs". Pathetic as it may seem, Barkha Dutt has lot more courage and targets whether deviously or otherwise who she hates most. This generalization where unnecessary is hallmark of weaseling out of having a truthful debate. Atheists do not need to be hated, but just need to be reminded of their grandeur of delusions, which may intersect with what Islamists may also be saying.
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A courageous person would not speak in general inanities by clubbing "all religions are anti-feminazs". Pathetic as it may seem, Barkha Dutt has lot more courage and targets whether deviously or otherwise who she hates most.
She has a right to her opinion, which is not entirely wrong...religious fundamentalists across religions have expectations of women that is not expected of men, mostly this is hidden behind overt declarations of piety and purity of thought.

TN's courage comes from her actions and facing the consequences for them, and refusing to back down. Proclaiming that an influence-peddling for-sale journalist like Barkha dutt is an epitome of courage is setting the bar pretty low, but then no one said that good sense is a prerequisite for having opinions.
Atheists do not need to be hated, but just need to be reminded of their grandeur of delusions, which may intersect with what Islamists may also be saying.
That is funny. You may not know it, but you repeat claims made by islamists, who claim having no religious ideology (atheism) is equivalent to having "delusions of grandeur", and worthy of death because it insults the only true grand idea of Allah. Hindu fundamentalists do have something in common with Islamists and christian fundamentalists, especially views on atheists such as the above (and also love for Burkha Dutt's courage it looks like).

Anyway, all getting OT, time to move on after jotting down any new truths about life and the universe in this "exchange".
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ThiruV wrote: That is funny. You may not know it, but you repeat claims made by islamists, who claim having no religious ideology (atheism) is equivalent to having "delusions of grandeur", and worthy of death because it insults the only true grand idea of Allah.
Anyway, all getting OT, time to move on after jotting down any new truths about life and the universe in this "exchange".
Good idea. Because putting words in mouth, dishonesty and drawing out incorrect conclusions are not conducive to either learn or educate. Thanks for playing.

Almost would congratulate on "mission accomplished" wherein the dilution of focus as intended by general inanity of "all religions are anti-feminaz" type rant.
The most courageous and honest one would focus what needs to be addressed instead of skirting the problem. One example would have been like this:
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This "all religions are anti-women" is a Hindu headline that left out the rest of her sentence -- that is not a direct quote. One has to read the whole article to see what she actually said:- she is blaming the fundamentalists for distorting religion to be anti-women, which is quite true, which is also the point I was expanding on. Summarily, fundamentalist views may or may not be supported by the doctrines they claim to abide by.
Explaining her struggles as a writer and her fight against Islamic fundamentalism in Bangladesh, Ms. Nasrin said all religions were anti-woman thorugh distortion caused by fundamentalists added to it.
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What she seems to have said is this, which is not too different from BRF's views on "Indian secularism" -- so all this whining about TN says more about the whiner than it does about TN.
Ms. Nasrin wondered why secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists. She alleged that a democracy based on pseudo-secularism was not a true democracy at all. She said that the true conflict in India was between secularism and fundamentalism, between Innovation and tradition, between humanity and barbarianism and between people who value freedom and who do not.
Just randomly linking an image of people in Burkha only serves to distract from the nonsensical claims on atheists and TN that were made earlier -- but then, no one said honesty was the cornerstone of a discussion with fundamentalists.
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Norwegians conjure their own islamic history from various snow-covered fjords -- apparently mecca created good islam but all the bad islam came out of medina.

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Norway and the other

A country known for its human rights approach is finding itself at a painful crossroads over a massive Muslim migration—of 50 lakh Nor­wegians, 2.2 lakh are Muslim—from Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Oslo’s drawing rooms are abuzz with discussions of a provocative book by rights activist Hege Storhaug called Islam, the 11th Plague. She says, “I wanted to warn people that we are dealing with a totalitarian ideology, with the Muslim Brotherhood being the most powerful organisation in Europe.” The book differentiates between the peaceful Islam of Mecca and a violent strand that’s traceable to Medina. Flooded with accolades, she says she wanted Norwegians to understand the challenges of assimilating a law-based religion that threatens to overwhelm Norway’s cultural life. Indeed, the government has instituted classes for immigrants on how to behave towards women, who in Norway are the ‘most equal in the world’ according to human development indices. Indian immigrants are mostly doctors, academicians and marine technologists. Pakistanis used to dominate the taxi business before the Somalis came along. Somali clerics are trying to push the Sharia, anathema to Norwegians. To curb the massive influx from Syria and Libya, Norway is now following an active deportation policy.
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Rapper Tone Lōc aka Anthony Terrell Smith’s number “Funky Cold Medina” may hold the answer for the attractiveness of Medina :wink: :
……………………….. The girls all jockin' at the other end of the bar
Havin' drinks with some no-name chump
When they know that I'm the star
So, I got up and strolled over to the other side of the cantina
I asked the guy, why you so fly? He said, Funky Cold Medina

Funky Cold Medina

This brother told me a secret on how to get more chicks
Put a little Medina in your glass and the girls'll come real quick
It's better than any alcohol or aphrodisiac
A couple of sips of this love potion and she'll be on your lap ……………………………

Check out the music video on Youtube:

Funky Cold Medina
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ThiruV wrote:That is funny. You may not know it, but you repeat claims made by islamists, who claim having no religious ideology (atheism) is equivalent to having "delusions of grandeur", and worthy of death because it insults the only true grand idea of Allah. Hindu fundamentalists do have something in common with Islamists and christian fundamentalists, especially views on atheists such as the above (and also love for Burkha Dutt's courage it looks like).

Anyway, all getting OT, time to move on after jotting down any new truths about life and the universe in this "exchange".
Who are these mythical "Hindu fundamentalists"?

Something you and your atheist friends conjured up?

Taslima is the same shameless woman who claimed to be dancing with joy when rumors spread that Sunil Tripathi did the Boston bombings. He was later found drowned and this woman didn't even have the courtesy to apologize to his family for joining the online lynch mob and was instead justifying her conduct.
taslima nasreen ‏@taslimanasreen 3h
.@vikingthakkar Are you sure they are Chechens? It is still a twitter-rumour. Let's wait. I am dancing with everyone today.

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taslima nasreen ‏@taslimanasreen 7h
@mm49singh Could be. Main suspect is so far a Hindu.

taslima nasreen ‏@taslimanasreen 7h
LOL RT @Vidyut Hey everyone, Sunil Tripathi's mom was Judy Tripathi. means if he is guilty, it was the non-Hindu part of him responsible.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6565&start=760#p1443476

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1443595
When called out on her bullshit she blames Hindus:
sushen jamwal ‏@sushenjamwal 20 Apr 2013
@taslimanasreen Innocence of Sunil Tripathi is a SLAP on your face Mam....wih due respect..:)

taslima nasreen
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@sushenjamwal Hindus made rumor it was Sunil Tripathi. Go slap those Hindus.

https://twitter.com/taslimanasreen/stat ... 7282765824
She was in fine company with the likes of Faieza Khan:

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Surasena wrote: Who are these mythical "Hindu fundamentalists"? Something you and your atheist friends conjured up?
"you and your atheist friends" it seems :D That is funny. You don't need to be in a gang to not believe in anything, unlike religious beliefs (or any faith-based belief). One can walk that path alone, without external validation.

Regardless, re: TN, I am not TN's "atheist gang member" -- I was just pointing out that the headline did not reflect the entire statement that was said. If you have problems with the logical inconsistencies in her views, you are going to have to ask her about it. She seems to believe whatever she reads in the news, so why would you think I have anything to do with it, or that I should ansswer for it.

Religious fundamentalists impose their religious/cultural diktats on others, is the common definition -- and by that definition, such groups exist in every religion. Hardly mythical.

All of this is OT, let's stick to islamism. This can continue in one of the burkha forums if folks have knives drawn and need something to stab at. :)
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Don't know this tommy Robinson and he might as well be nuts on other issues, but here he totally destroys the shenanigans of this "journalist" and this is the level of alacrity to spot gotchas, counter rhetoric, driving a spear into the center etc needed for some of our own DDM

http://youtu.be/NARnaB-maJk
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ThiruV wrote: Religious fundamentalists impose their religious/cultural diktats on others, is the common definition -- and by that definition, such groups exist in every religion. Hardly mythical.

All of this is OT, let's stick to islamism. This can continue in one of the burkha forums if folks have knives drawn and need something to stab at. :)
No, fundamentalist has a specific meaning, go look it up instead of ascribing your own ideas to that term.

"All religions are this, that..." shows how puerile the thought process of quiet a few atheists is.

Sam Harris, one of the brighter one's in the new atheist movement explains succinctly:
Sam Harris "Problem with Islamic Fundamentalism are the Fundamentals of Islam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFsO58hXVM
Hindu "terror", Hindu "fundamentalism" blah blah blah are part of the media psy ops to do an equal equal where there is none.

Given her history of peddling anti Hindu BS like in the Sunil Tripathi case, Jwalamukhi was right to question her latest nonsense.
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Surasena wrote: No, fundamentalist has a specific meaning, go look it up instead of ascribing your own ideas to that term.
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"All religions are this, that..." shows how puerile the thought process of quiet a few atheists is.
I am not going to take this thread off topic. I will post a response in the nukkad thread if you are so intent on derailing this thread.
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LokeshC wrote:
Virendra wrote:Actually he is not sleeping in that sense. I mean he is a sensible person who can be reasoned with.
Besides, I'll just share the stuff and leave it at that. Convincing any further is not on my agenda anyway
Thanks Singha
Anyone else?
http://www.islam-watch.org/books/islami ... lavery.pdf
You can ask him to watch "pandit Mahendra Pal Arya" video's. He is ex-muslim immam from Kolkata. Link to his youtube channel is

https://www.youtube.com/user/MahenderPalArya
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -cops.html
A GANG of Asian paedophiles who beat and raped a white girl of 13 was jailed yesterday for a total of 143 years.

Well... All are Pakis&Bangladeshis but they call them Asians
The terrified victim was repeatedly abused at various locations for over a year — despite being reported missing to cops 71 times.

They ignored her family’s desperate pleas for help and instead told her anxious mum to keep a diary of her movements.
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The girl was finally taken into care and the gang arrested.

But ringleader, Arif Chowdhury, 20, fled Keighley, West Yorks, and flew to Bangladesh with his dad after being released on bail.

Cops are still trying to locate him, but no one has ever been successfully extradited back to the UK from Bangladesh.

Victims support groups claimed police failed to act over fears of being accused of racism
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"A total of 143 years"? That sounds like the paper is hiding the fact that most of them got out with light sentences. Even divided equally it 14 years a piece, in which case, they would have written 14 years each. Basically, these pedophiles are being given a lenient sentence but it all looks very hard when total up the jail time for 10 criminals.

The top notch UK bolis seems to have gone a step further allowed one of these pedophiles to leave the country...almost as if being a flight risk was overlooked.
But ringleader, Arif Chowdhury, 20, fled Keighley, West Yorks, and flew to Bangladesh with his dad after being released on bail.
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