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Postby Atri » 09 Aug 2014 13:54

Link to the last page of previous iteration of this thread - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5680&start=4000

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Postby Shubham » 09 Aug 2014 21:41

In Muslim Majority countries there is always an eternal problem of Social/Cultural/Security and so on. Only Malaysia appears like an exception.

Is Malaysia really free from the usual problems of Muslim Majority countries or are there problems simmering inside ?

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Postby Singha » 09 Aug 2014 21:57

its not simmering, its in the open now. the facade was ripped a while back.

http://en.qantara.de/content/islam-and- ... the-bottle

https://www.facebook.com/BHARAT.untolds ... =1&theater

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Postby JE Menon » 09 Aug 2014 22:13

^^Indeed... It's heading in the same direction, albeit at a slightly slower pace...

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Postby svinayak » 09 Aug 2014 22:21

Singha wrote:its not simmering, its in the open now. the facade was ripped a while back.

http://en.qantara.de/content/islam-and- ... the-bottle

https://www.facebook.com/BHARAT.untolds ... =1&theater

They want to pretend to be modern and then want to be to be in the global trade and investment

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Postby Anindya » 10 Aug 2014 02:13

Saudi survey: ‘Flirtatious’ women to blame for sexual harassment

a Saudi social research centre reports that 80 per cent of people questioned in a national survey blame the scourge of sexual harassment plaguing the country on the “deliberate flirtatious behaviour” of women

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Postby member_22733 » 10 Aug 2014 02:17

Since women cannot read or write or smile in public the above survey could only include the opinion of men.

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Postby KJo » 10 Aug 2014 02:43

There is a solution. Women are the source of all evil as correctly judged by PBUH. The only solution is to kill all women. All Islamic societies should execute all their women so men can live happily ever after without any evil women pulling them away from thinking about Allah.

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Postby Anindya » 10 Aug 2014 02:45

165 years has not changed much of anything.....

Long Before ISIL: The Chronic Plight of the Yazidis Under Islamic Domination

ISIL’s current bloody attacks on the Yazidis reflect a continuum of religiously-inspired, chronic Islamic oppression of this minority group, interspersed with paroxysms of violence no less brutal than what is now taking place.

Sir Austen Henry Layard (1817-1894) was a British polymath—archaeologist, author, politician, and diplomat—perhaps best known for his the excavations in northern Mesopotamia, contemporary Iraq.

Layard recorded the following, based upon first hand observations, and historical assessments, about the chronic plight of the Yazidis (Yezidis) under Islamic domination in his 1849, Nineveh and Its Remains.

They [the Yazidis] have the choice between conversion and the sword, and its is unlawful even to take tribute [jizya, per Koran 9:29, the deliberately debasing poll-tax, and related regulations imposed upon non-Muslim Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians subjugated by jihad] from them. The Yezidis, not being looked upon as “Masters of a Book,” [i.e., scriptures, “acknowledged,” at least in part, by Islam] have been exposed for centuries to the persecution of the Mohammedans. The harems of the south of Turkey have been recruited from them. Yearly expeditions have been made by the governors of provinces into their districts; and whilst the men and women were slaughtered without mercy, the children of both sexes were carried off, and exposed for sale in the principal towns. These annual hunts were one of the sources of revenue…and its was the custom of the Pashas of Baghdad and Mosul, to let loose the irregular troops upon the ill-fated Yezidis, as an easy method of satisfying their demands for arrears of pay.

This system was still practiced to a certain extent within a very few months of my visit; and gave rise to atrocities scarcely equaled in the better known slave trade.

Layard described a series of specific Muslim depredations against the Yazidis that took place in 1832, near Mosul and Sinjar:

[Mosul] It was in spring; the river had overflowed its banks, and the bridge of boats had been removed. A few succeeded in crossing the stream; but a vast crowd of men, women, and children were left upon the great mound of Kouyunjik. The (Kurdish Muslim) Bey of Rowandiz followed them. An indiscriminate slaughter ensued…

[Sinjar] The inhabitants of the Sinjar were soon subdued after subdued by Mehemet Rashid Pasha, and a second time by Hafiz Pasha. On both occasions there was a massacre, and the population was reduced by three-fourths. The Yezidis took refuge in caves, where they were either suffocated by fires lighted at the mouth, or by the discharges of cannon.

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Postby member_22733 » 10 Aug 2014 03:04

These ISIS ultra-pure barbarians make me wonder what kind of barbarianism India faced back during the raids of Babur. How many millions died like Yazdis? How many would have killed their own family and taken their own life.

Just thinking about it just makes me real sad.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 10 Aug 2014 04:11

Let us forget about history, any Muslims voices in Sooth Asia even commenting on the Yazidi or crucification of Christians?

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Postby Anindya » 10 Aug 2014 04:41

ISIS threatens to execute 300 Yazidi families they've surrounded in northern Iraq as the extremists continue to lay siege to mountain where 50,000 of the minority are holed up without food or water
- Jihadist group says it will kill religious minority members in Koja, Hatimiya and Qaboshi unless they convert to Islam


but interestingly enough, in the comments section you find comments like the folllowing (with a lot of supporters):
As a Muslim, I can say unequivocally and with no uncertainty that these so called ISIS fighters are not Muslim at all! No moderate Muslim would do what they are doing, they are merely hiding behind Islam to give to themselves a little sense of justification! These fighters are barbaric, inhumane individuals that belong to no religion.

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Postby Ashok Sarraff » 10 Aug 2014 06:48

LokeshC,

Here is one estimate to help commiserate with our ancestors

http://m.imgur.com/vGIdfhy
(The 20 deadliest events in human history)

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Postby KJo » 10 Aug 2014 07:41

Think of it this way. At least we still survive in more or less our existing form. We still call ourselves Vijay, Raghu and Kishan. We don't have slave names like Mohammad or Abdul or Steve. Almost all other ancient cultures have been culturally colonized and lost forever. Egypt, Persia, Mesopotamia etc are not the same people.

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Postby member_19686 » 10 Aug 2014 08:13

India Muslims to fight ISIS

CNN|Added on August 9, 2014
Indian Shiites volunteer to go to Iraq to protect their shrines from ISIS. Sumnima Udas reports.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v ... q.cnn.html

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Postby SanjayC » 10 Aug 2014 08:44

Was shocked to see image of a Yazidi temple in Iraq. These guys, now being massacred by ISIS, are called the last pagans of Middle East and are descendants of Hindus. I believe it is the duty of India to protect pagans all over the world from monotheists.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 10 Aug 2014 09:02

KJoishy wrote:There is a solution. Women are the source of all evil as correctly judged by PBUH. The only solution is to kill all women. All Islamic societies should execute all their women so men can live happily ever after without any evil women pulling them away from thinking about Allah.


For the brigand or bandit mindset, there is an inexhaustible supply of women outside the fold, women who can be claimed as booty of war.

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Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2014 09:04

OMG! that could pass off as a hindu temple anywhere in india...even the stepped series of urns on top of the cone is seen in many hindu temples.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... te7380.jpg

http://stuartfreedman.com/blog/wp-conte ... 1_0024.jpg

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/ ... S6UbpU.jpg

islam has given the stick to coptic christians (the most ancient sect), egyptian old religion, zoroasterians, buddhists in CAR and now yazidis.

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Postby member_22733 » 10 Aug 2014 09:35

Not surprising that those temples look like Indian ones.

Mecca was a trading station for a major branch of the Silk Route (the one that went to Africa). In the Kaaba, there were idols of all the religions of the people that passed through that place. Kaaba hence was a special place, and the tribe that controlled it naturally will enrich itself.

Mohammed's chief aim was to wrest control of the Kaaba from the Quraish somehow. That was the single handed motive of Mr. Caravan Raider. Religion and other people were just means to his end. He was a Psychopathic Narcissist and an epileptic. The reason to doubt that religion was only a side business for the prophet is that he was more concerned about conquering and beheading rather than writing down the words of God that he heard during his epileptic fits. The hadiths came much later after literary scholars from his followers started collecting stories and teachings from his immediate first degree contacts after his death.

Once he conquered the kaaba, he went inside it and pointed his stick at each of the Pagan idols that were to be destroyed. Here is one conjecture I have on why he had to destroy those idols: After one of the earlier battles, Battle of Badr, the brophet got scaled the idea of controlling Mecca to Controlling the entire Arabia :), the obvious way to do it was through spreading religion, and the way he wanted it to be done was to destroy the other religion and their symbols. Thus idol destruction is central to spreading of Islam. Since an Idol holds a special and powerful place in the hearts and mind of a worshiper, destroying it would mean that the idol is "not special" and not powerful.

One of the pagan idols was called "Al-Manat", a moorthy of the Hindus, which the pagans (likely Hindu Arabs) somehow managed to wrest from under the nose of the PBUH and brought it to Gujarat where it is now known as Somanath. The prophet then wanted the destruction of ANY idol that was in the Kaaba at any time. This is the root of Ghazwa e Hind that Bakistani barbarians bandi about.

If there was a Hindu Idol in the Kaaba, Hindu followers would obviously have found local roots (much like modern day Gurus who go to America). Yazidis maybe an ancient offshoot. Either ways, what is happening to them is truly tragic. They have no backup and no safety net.

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Postby arun » 10 Aug 2014 09:55

RSS launches Rakhi campaign to counter Love Jihad in Uttar Pradesh which is seeing Hindu women being enticed into marriage and religious conversion by Mohammadden men.

Rather than a Rakhi campaign the RSS may be more effective in countering Love Jihad by persuading Bollywood to more frequently use Dharmic male actors as matinée idols. The frequent use of Mohammadden actors as matinée idols, every male acting star seems to be a Khan of some sort who seems to have committed an act of Love Jihad, could be contributing to the success of Love Jihad by painting Mohammaddens as Bollywood certified glamorous sex symbols in the eyes of vulnerable unmarried Hindu women in Uttar Pradesh. This campaign by RSS may also lead to the reduction of the infestation of citizens the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in Bollywood, an infestation that has resulted in Bollywood being obnoxiously more welcoming of Citizens of the Islamic Republic rather than say South Indians and Indian’s from the North East:

‘Rakhi’ campaign by RSS against ‘Love Jihad’ in Uttar Pradesh

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Postby wig » 10 Aug 2014 17:22

Iraq says Islamic State killed 500 Yazidis, buried some victims alive
Islamic State militants have killed at least 500 members of Iraq's Yazidi ethnic minority during their offensive in the north, Iraq's human rights minister told Reuters on Sunday.

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani said the Sunni militants had also buried alive some of their victims, including women and children. Some 300 women were kidnapped as slaves, he added.

"We have striking evidence obtained from Yazidis fleeing Sinjar and some who escaped death, and also crime scene images that show indisputably that the gangs of the Islamic States have executed at least 500 Yazidis after seizing Sinjar," Sudani said in a telephone interview, in his first remarks to the media on the issue.

Sinjar is the ancient home of the Yazidis, one of the towns captured by the Sunni militants who view the community as "devil worshipers" and tell them to convert to Islam or face death.

A deadline passed at midday on Sunday for 300 Yazidi families to convert to Islam or face death at the hands of the militants. It was not immediately clear whether the Iraqi minister was talking about the fate of those families or others in the conflict.

"Some of the victims, including women and children were buried alive in scattered mass graves in and around Sinjar," Sudani said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/ ... FF20140810

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Postby Anindya » 11 Aug 2014 02:39

Islamist extremists crack down on street parties in UK

London: In an attempt to enforce an ISIS-style interpretation of Islamic law, a group of extremists are allegedly cracking down on street parties in Britain by equating it to devil worship.

The extremists are trying to bully and intimidate British Muslims against music and dance.

According to a report in 'The Sunday Times', hardliners waved a "No music" banner and chanted "God is great" in Birmingham to disrupt festivities to mark the end of Ramadan.

They boasted about "stopping da filthy dancing" and have threatened to target other events.

Extremists objecting to these "Chaand Raat" festivities ? based on an Indian subcontinent tradition ? said they intervened at three separate locations across the city.

In London, extremists recently confronted women travelling to a family festival to celebrate the Bangladeshi new year and warned them it was "haram", or forbidden, for them to attend.

Others were told the BBC-sponsored event encouraged "sin", "fornication" and "drug-taking".

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Postby Hari Seldon » 11 Aug 2014 08:40

Aussie Jihadhist posts pic of his 7 yr old son lifting a syrian soldier's severed head

Religion of peace indeed. Open invitation for every pervert, misogynist, misanthrope, psycho and creep to come rushing in to sign up. Only.

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Postby arun » 11 Aug 2014 10:36

wig wrote:Iraq says Islamic State killed 500 Yazidis, buried some victims alive
Islamic State militants have killed at least 500 members of Iraq's Yazidi ethnic minority during their offensive in the north, Iraq's human rights minister told Reuters on Sunday.

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani said the Sunni militants had also buried alive some of their victims, including women and children. Some 300 women were kidnapped as slaves, he added.

"We have striking evidence obtained from Yazidis fleeing Sinjar and some who escaped death, and also crime scene images that show indisputably that the gangs of the Islamic States have executed at least 500 Yazidis after seizing Sinjar," Sudani said in a telephone interview, in his first remarks to the media on the issue.

Sinjar is the ancient home of the Yazidis, one of the towns captured by the Sunni militants who view the community as "devil worshipers" and tell them to convert to Islam or face death.

A deadline passed at midday on Sunday for 300 Yazidi families to convert to Islam or face death at the hands of the militants. It was not immediately clear whether the Iraqi minister was talking about the fate of those families or others in the conflict.

"Some of the victims, including women and children were buried alive in scattered mass graves in and around Sinjar," Sudani said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/ ... FF20140810


Mohammadden sense of supremacist entitlement raises its ugly head in Germany. In North Rhine-Westphalia, Mohammaddens attack Yazidi’s peacefully protesting the killings of Yazidi’s in Iraq by Mohammaddens:

Iraq conflict resounds on German streets

Gatestone Institute on these and other matters of Mohammadden religion motivated problems in Germany:

Holy War Arrives in Germany

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Postby arun » 11 Aug 2014 10:40

Mohammadden Cleric, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al-Asheikh ,blames Foreign Intelligence Agencies for Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden killings in yet another instance of Mohammaddens refusing to take responsibility for the internecine slaughter so common in many Mohammadden majority countries like Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Afghanistan and Pakistan and instead seeking to float the canard that Non-Mohammaddens are responsible for the slaughter.

Fact of the matter is that Mohammaddens need no help for damaging the reputation of Mohammaddenism. The blood lust Mohammaddens themselves have exhibited in slaughtering each other over petty religious differences requires no further effort from Non-Mohammadden Intelligence Agencies to damage Mohammaddenism:

Saudi grand mufti: foreign agencies seek to damage Islam

By Saudi Gazette | Riyadh
Sunday, 10 August 2014

The Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al-Asheikh said the killings of innocent Muslims in some countries is the work of foreign intelligence agencies that seek to damage Islam. ..........

Al-Arabiya

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Postby arun » 11 Aug 2014 10:44

Hari Seldon wrote:Aussie Jihadhist posts pic of his 7 yr old son lifting a syrian soldier's severed head

Religion of peace indeed. Open invitation for every pervert, misogynist, misanthrope, psycho and creep to come rushing in to sign up. Only.


Meanwhile in Australia ...................................

Former Chief of the Australian Army and Current Director of the National Security Institute at the University of Canberra, Lt.Gen. Prof. Peter Leahy, warns in the language of “The Weekend Australian” that “Australia needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam that will be fought on home soil as well as foreign lands”.

Good to see a voice being raised against the forces of Jihadi Mohammaddenism that seeks to intimidate Non-Mohammadden majority countries into submission:

We’ll fight radical Islam for 100 years, says ex-army head Peter Leahy

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Postby symontk » 11 Aug 2014 10:59

Singha wrote:OMG! that could pass off as a hindu temple anywhere in india...even the stepped series of urns on top of the cone is seen in many hindu temples.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... te7380.jpg

http://stuartfreedman.com/blog/wp-conte ... 1_0024.jpg

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/ ... S6UbpU.jpg

islam has given the stick to coptic christians (the most ancient sect), egyptian old religion, zoroasterians, buddhists in CAR and now yazidis.


spires are part of the temples / synagogues, mosques churches in that part of the world

Here is the Tomb of Daniel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel#mediaviewer/File:%D8%A2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87_%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%84_%D9%86%D8%A8%DB%8C.jpg

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Postby member_28442 » 11 Aug 2014 14:32

LokeshC wrote:...managed to wrest from under the nose of the PBUH and brought it to Gujarat where it is now known as Somanath. ...


hi saar any more on this or other legends of similar nature?

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Postby kancha » 11 Aug 2014 19:29

From here, again in Australia

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The fellow now blames rightist hackers who hacked his facebook and posted this rant!

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Postby Paul » 11 Aug 2014 20:58

I said in this forum more than 13 years ago that one reason why India was saved from becoming Dar Ul Islam is that the Islamic world has placed higher priority towards spreading its tentacles towards the west than the east. So regardless of the best efforts of the WASP world to ward off the coming confrontation with Islam, Islam will not bite the bait to look elsewhere in this standoff.

I still owe a reply to UB / Shreeman in the US India strategic thread.

I said a weak Obama admin is a good thing for India as this will hasten the day of the confrontation and this riled up some people who are not happy with the lame duck Obama admin.

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Postby SanjayC » 11 Aug 2014 22:21

A mural in a Yazidi temple. I am kicking myself for not knowing about these descendants of Hindus till now. They are the last outpost of Hindu culture in Middle East.

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Postby member_22733 » 11 Aug 2014 22:24

Yazidis, our long lost brothers are getting butchered now. They were somehow missed out by Babur and Mohmad of Ghazanvi.

We should see if they can be rehabilitated in India.

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Postby SanjayC » 11 Aug 2014 22:33

^^^ Peacocks are not found in Middle East -- the Hindu influence in the mural is unmistakable.

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Postby Peregrine » 12 Aug 2014 01:15

Young Muslims defend decision to fly Islamic black flag at gates of east London council estate
Young Muslims today defended the flying of a black flag above the gates of an east London council estate.

Youths at the gates to the Will Crooks estate, in Poplar, branded objectors to the flag – which has been adopted by some jihadist groups – as “racist”.

The flag was removed yesterday for the second time following two visits from Met officers in as many days. It was hung there alongside the Palestinian flag as part of an “end the siege in Gaza” protest.

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Postby SanjayC » 12 Aug 2014 07:22

Notice the Kurdish flag:

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Postby partha » 12 Aug 2014 07:33

Yazidis pray 5 times a day facing the Sun. Pretty sure Islam borrowed this practice like other pagan practices prevalent in middle east.

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Postby anupmisra » 12 Aug 2014 07:44

SanjayC wrote:^^^ Peacocks are not found in Middle East -- the Hindu influence in the mural is unmistakable.


Yazidi and Hindu Similarity

I am almost getting convinced that these Yazidis are a lost tribe linked to ancient Hindus of India

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Postby RCase » 12 Aug 2014 09:31

Seeing the peacock lamp and the worship of the the spread wings peacock, the first thing that came to my mind was the Hindu connection. (I have a couple of lamps in my house that have the similar peacocks!). Upon searching Wikipedia, the customs seemed to have some uncanny resemblance:

Re-incarnation, the Yazidis use the metaphor of a change of garment to describe the process
Good and bad is within the heart and spirit of humans
The real core texts of the religion that exist today are the hymns known as qawls
Nivêja berîspêdê (the Dawn Prayer)... Nivedyam and its derivates in Sanskrit means 'offering to God'
The Yazidi are strictly endogamous; members of the three Yazidi castes, the murids, sheikhs and pirs, marry only within their group, marriage outside the caste is considered a sin punishable by death to restore lost honour.
The daily prayer services must not be performed in the presence of outsiders, and are always performed in the direction of the sun.
The purity of the four elements Earth, Air, Fire and Water is protected by a number of taboos
Yazidi are exclusively endogamous; clans do not intermarry even with other Kurds and accept no converts.

Seems like some practices from the Yazidi were lifted by PBUH.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby SanjayC » 12 Aug 2014 09:37

Heart goes out to child victims of ISIS genocide. This picture has been haunting me for days.

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Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Postby RCase » 12 Aug 2014 09:44

^^^
Religion of blowing you to pieces? What a bunch of blood thirsty lunatics. Disgusting.


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