Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

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Re: Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

Postby Anantha » 20 Sep 2014 05:44

SSridhar wrote:Eleven Jinping is the best thing that happened in this visit.


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Postby g.sarkar » 20 Sep 2014 05:58

Pratyush wrote:Could it be that they wish to take India out of the equation in a short and sharp engagement, similar to 62. Forcing India to lick its wounds for 10 years while they concentrate on the western Pacific Basin.

In my opinion, China would attack India immediately, if it was assured of a complete victory as in 1962. Any thing less would mean a loss of face, and they are sensitive to that. They do not want a situation like that they faced in Vietnam in 1979. With Modi in power their window of opportunity may be closing rapidly, as India is again purchasing arms and readying troops after the MMS fiasco.
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PS There used to be a poster in BR, RayC, who is a retired brigadier, who wrote repeatedly that the Indian army had taken many steps so that a repeat of 1962 is not possible. I wonder what is his opinion after the deterioration in readiness brought on by MMS and AK Antony.

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Postby SwamyG » 20 Sep 2014 07:28

SSridhar wrote:So, on the whole, some movement but nothing to write home about. The good thing from the Indian perspective was that Modi & Sushma Swaraj put across strong Indian objection to the LAC issues. Will anything come out of that? Hardly. Will Indian companies have market access? No. The relationship will plod along as before with flare-ups every now and then. Will China get more access to India? Yes. The trade imbalance is going to be skewed even further.

So why does India not prevent dumping? Why does it have to roll over and offer markets to China, but not get reciprocity? Incursions or transgressions or one thing, but India could surely create economic takleef, no? China needs Indian markets, it is not like they would want to ignore the booming population of India or its rising middle class. So why does Modi yield?

Sridhar saar, so all the tough is meaningless, if India does not really stand up. If what you say is the truth the this visit is a disappointment.

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Re: Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

Postby SSridhar » 20 Sep 2014 08:09

Xi visit a success, but border stand-off a dampener: experts - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu
On the face of it, President Xi Jinping’s India visit should have been pegged a runaway success — hours of one-on-one exchanges with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, both in Ahmedabad and Delhi, a trade agreement for the next five years, two Chinese-style industrial cities to be built and the promise of multiplying Chinese investment in India 40-fold.

Not just that, President Xi’s gesture of offering to open a new route to Kailash Mansarovar after Prime Minister Modi’s request, to benefit aged and infirm pilgrims, should have indicated a new reachout between the two countries.

However, according to experts here, the visit was overshadowed by the border stand-off that escalated even as the two leaders were walking by the Sabarmati riverside in Ahmedabad and sitting down for dinner on Wednesday night.

“I think it spun out of control,” said Mohan Guruswamy of the Centre for Policy Alternatives.


Analysts laud Modi’s tough talk on incursions - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu
Experts and analysts have praised Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his tough words at the press conference that followed the bilateral talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Thursday. “Whether it was on the border or on visa or water issues, this is the first time an Indian Prime Minister expressed himself so openly, or frankly, and that is a shift,” remarked Ravi Bhoothalingam of the Institute for China Studies.

The joint statement between India and China released on Friday recorded progress on many fronts between the two leaders, including on the Chinese plan for a BCIM (Bangladesh, China, India Myanmar) economic corridor and China’s support for India’s “aspirations of playing a greater role” at the UN Security Council. But even the statement recognises the primacy of the border dispute in relations, concluding that peace on the India-China border areas is an “important guarantor” for the growth of bilateral relations.

The border incursion and stand-off in Ladakh however, cast a shadow over the otherwise successful visit. “I think it spun out of control,” said Mohan Guruswamy of the Centre for Policy Alternatives. “The way the amassing of troops from both sides at Chumar sector reached a crescendo that day clearly cast a shadow on the meeting, even on the major economic breakthrough between them.”

Investment let down

Mr. Xi’s visit came in for some criticism over the lowering of investment figures promised, from $100 billion reportedly estimated by a Chinese consular official to the mere $20 billion announced by the leader, particularly as it compared unflatteringly to the Japanese commitment of $35 billion earlier this month. “Even so, there is a more serious shift for the Chinese from seeing India as a market to seeing it as an investment destination, and $20 billion is a significant figure,” former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal said.

Tibet visible

While no official comment was made from either side on the Tibet issue, several Chinese journalists who had flown down for the visit expressed surprise at the protesters being able to reach the venue of the bilateral meeting.

The fact that a controlled protest was allowed on this visit, in a departure from the past during the visit of Premier Li Keqiang, or the Olympic torch run, was as much a message to the visiting delegation as it was to the Prime Minister’s domestic constituency that has advocated a tough line on China,” surmised analyst Ashok Malik.

Speaker meets Xi, discusses culture, yoga - The Hindu
Lok Sabha Speaker Sumitra Mahajan called on Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday and discussed a variety of issues such as bilateral economic engagement, culture, youth development, clean energy and yoga.

They spoke about the historical links between the two nations and the visits of scholars, traders and historians, more notably of eminent travellers like Fa Hien and Hiuen Tsang that laid a deep foundation of people-to-people contact between India and China.

The Speaker said strengthening of cultural and traditional relations based on intrinsic human values were the need of the hour. As both countries had resurgent youth populations, it was imperative to promote youth exchange programmes, she said.

Mr. Xi said yoga was gaining immense popularity in China and his wife, Peng Liyuan, was learning it.

Ms. Mahajan presented a Maheshwari stole and a Mayur wall-hanging to the Chinese President and his wife.

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Re: Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

Postby SSridhar » 20 Sep 2014 08:33

Border row: Xi, Modi find a ‘way out’ - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Friday declared that President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Narendra Modi have found common ground to resolve the border row as part of a road map that will steer Beijing-New Delhi ties in future.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei, without elaborating, said on Friday that the two leaders during their summit had “pointed a way out” on solving this [border] question. “They also reached consensus on further managing border issues.”

Mr. Hong said a decision had been taken to arrive at a “final settlement” of the border issue “as soon as possible.”
His carefully worded response to a question echoed President Xi’s observation in India that Beijing had “the determination to work with India through friendly consultation to settle the boundary question at an early date.”

Without losing focus on a final resolution, controlling and managing the border disputes was also a top priority, to ensure that the headwinds from the frontiers did not “influence the development of bilateral ties.” Mr. Hong observed that the Indian side had agreed “to work with China to properly handle border issues and find a way to resolve the border issue as soon as possible.”

Tensions along the Sino-Indian frontier acquired a sharper focus during Mr. Xi’s presence in India, following the border incident in Ladakh along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

The spokesman lauded Prime Minister Modi’s observations on Tibet, referring to the agreement reached by the two sides to “respect each other’s concerns [and] deepen mutual trust.” He praised remarks attributed to Mr. Modi that “Tibet is [an] integral part of China and India does not allow any separatist activities in India.”

Analysts point out that during his entire visit, Mr. Xi remained focussed on the “big picture,” pitching the trajectory of Sino-Indian ties in the context of an evolving Asia as well as the globe.{while continuing to send a strong military message to India}

‘Anchors of peace’


The official Chinese news agency Xinhua referred to Mr. Xi’s remarks during an address in New Delhi that China and India should be “express trains” driving regional development, as well as “twin anchors” of regional peace. “When China and India join hands for cooperation, it will benefit not only the two countries but also the entire Asia and the world at large,” Mr. Xi had observed.

Significantly, at a time when the United States, along with its regional allies, including Japan, Australia and the Philippines had embarked on its China-centric Pivot to Asia, President Xi, during his New Delhi address, invited India to become part of a new, inclusive security architecture in the Asia-Pacific.

Last time, when a similar situation developed just before Li Keqiang's visit, it was argued that it was to force India to accede to BDCA. We do not yet know what it is this time around.

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Postby arun » 20 Sep 2014 09:10

X Posted from the "Managing Chinese Threat" thread.

India 'instigating' incidents on borders: Chinese media :-

PTI via ET

The cited “Chinese Media” article from Chinese State Owned Newspaper, Global Times:

Xi, Modi ink 12 agreements

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Re: Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

Postby RCase » 20 Sep 2014 10:19

deejay wrote::rotfl: Xi =11. All this time it stared in my face but I couldn't see it. It takes the genius of the DD anchor to show it to me. My brain freeze defrosted. But why remove her? We all have our unique perspectives and world views.


And all along my brain kept thinking how could a Chinese guy handle Eleven Gin Pegs!

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Postby Austin » 20 Sep 2014 11:21

Chinese president confers friendship award in India

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NEW DELHI, Sept. 19 (Xinhua) -- Visiting Chinese President Xi Jinping conferred a friendship award to Indian groups and individuals here Friday, calling for carrying forward the friendship between the two countries.

The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence Friendship Award was conferred on the representatives of the Dr. Dwarkanath Kotnis family, the Dr. Dwarkanath Kotnis Memorial Committee, the Department of Chinese Language and Culture (Cheena Bhavana) with the Visva-Bharati University, and the India-China Friendship Association.

Dr. Jyoti Mohapatra, secretary general of the Friends of China Society, and Dr. Mohan Reddy, secretary general of the Andra Pradesh Chapter of the India-China Friendship Association, were also granted the award.

The Chinese president spoke highly of the important contributions the awardees have made over a long period of time to the China-India friendship.

Recalling the touching stories of Dr. Kotnis who died treating Chinese troops more than 70 years ago in China and Rabindranath Tagore who helped establish the Department of Chinese Language and Culture at the Visva-Bharati University in 1937, Xi said it is a great and noble cause for the two nations to carry forward the friendship between China and India.

"The Chinese people hope that our two peoples will be eternal friends and partners for common development who help each other on the path toward national rejuvenation," he said.

"I would like to see more and more people from both sides actively join the friendship cause," he added.

The awardees echoed Xi's words, saying that they will continue to make contributions to the India-China friendship.

Among them was the younger sister of late Dr. Kotnis, 93-year-old Manorama Kotnis, who sits in a wheelchair and came to New Delhi from Mumbai specially for the event.

She said her family found it very touching that the Chinese government and people still think of Dr. Kotnis and his relatives.

The Kotnis family will carry on the doctor's spirit and contribute more to the India-China friendship cause, she added..

In 1954, leaders of China, India and Myanmar initiated the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, which stand for mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence.

India is the last stop of Xi's four-nation tour in Central and South Asia, which has already taken him to Tajikistan, Maldives and Sri Lanka. In Tajikistan, he also attended a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.


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Postby KrishnaK » 20 Sep 2014 12:06

The game of mirrors, shadows and other such optical illusions continues. We have erudite predictions based solely personal reading of the issue, which is probably right. And that is the real problem with China. The only way you can come to any conclusion about what goes on in that land is by reading the tea leaves. We cannot have an economic and military power anywhere, let alone on our borders, where anybodys/our ability to engage and read it is as minimal as China. It is utterly irrelevant if Xi is as powerful as Hu/[PD]eng or how much control they have over the PLA, or what China really respects. China has to open up, if it would not like everybody else to gang up on it.

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Postby James B » 20 Sep 2014 13:17

Chinese know that 1962 situation will not repeat. They got bloody nose in Nathu La in 1967 and Sumdorong Chu in 1986

For those interested you can read it about them here

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/mili ... rmish.html

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... rajan.html

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Re: Chinese president's visit. "Thaw or Cold War"?

Postby deejay » 20 Sep 2014 16:10

RCase wrote:
deejay wrote::rotfl: Xi =11. ....


And all along my brain kept thinking how could a Chinese guy handle Eleven Gin Pegs!


Now Sir, you have done it for me. I was already having trouble reading Xi as 'Zi' or 'dZi' and not 11. With your post even Jinping has gone out of the window. Looks like I will settle for my 11 Gin Pegs. :D

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Postby Philip » 21 Sep 2014 00:15

The news reader should never have been sacked.It shows that our babus still feel inferior to the Chinese.When foreign names are to be read out,the correct pronunciation must always be given to the newsreader.
However,for her unbeknowing spark of illumination,she should be given some sort of media award for discovering that the Chinese pres. is a crude "siyi" and a drunken gin-swilling lout who knocks back XI at a time!

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Postby asprinzl » 21 Sep 2014 02:07

In my visit to China I have witnessed Chinese made sarees (including silk), Chinese made little statues of Indian deities including that of Buddha. The Chinese are producing them in mass and it also includes the various items used in the prayer altar of Hindu religion. In all honesty, the quality of these are not bad and the packaging is impressive compared to those produced in India. Price wise they are very attractive. If anyone wonders how and why the India-China trade which a decade ago was in India's favor has reversed so badly need only look this. This should not have happened.
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Postby g.sarkar » 21 Sep 2014 02:14

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... f-xi-visit
India-China border standoff highlights tensions before Xi visit
Both countries keen to put positive spin on Chinese president's first meeting with Indian prime minister Narendra Modi
For most of the year, the Indian troops stationed at Chumar, a remote corner of the high, dry desert plateau of the western Himalayas, do little but try to keep warm. In recent days, however, the struggle has been to cool down a standoff on the ill-defined and disputed border with China.
More than 200 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army entered what India considers its territory last week and used cranes and bulldozers to build a 1.2-mile road, the Hindustan Times reported.
Indian soldiers challenged the Chinese troops and asked them to withdraw, before demolishing a temporary track they had built, said the report, which has not been denied by Indian authorities.
News of the confrontation broke a day before the arrival of Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, in India, and has undermined official statements vaunting the goodwill between the two nations.
Though similar incidents occur regularly along the 2,200-mile border, this new faceoff underlines the persistent tensions between the two emerging powers – even if both currently appear eager to improve a patchy relationship.
China and India are keen to put a positive spin on Xi's first summit meeting with Narendra Modi, who won a landslide election victory to take power in Delhi in May.
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Postby g.sarkar » 21 Sep 2014 02:18

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 745590.cms
Chinese President Xi Jinping in India, Abe reminds Modi of “good times” in Japan
Indrani Bagchi, TNN | Sep 18, 2014, 01.21AM IST
NEW DELHI: Displaying exquisite timing, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe tweeted birthday wishes to Narendra Modi, coinciding with the arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping in Ahmedabad.
In a cheery tweet in English, Abe tweeted, "Happy Birthday, Modi-san! We had a great time together in Kyoto and Tokyo. See you next time!"
Just a couple of weeks ago, Abe and Modi were strolling through Kyoto's imperial gardens and feeding koi fish, much in the same way that Modi and Xi Jinping were seen walking through Ahmedabad's parks watching Gujarati folk dances.
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Postby Shreeman » 21 Sep 2014 03:03

The chinese are really good at cost cutting. Even for a president/premier they went from LI (fifty one) to XI (Eleven). An astounding 80% saving! How can anyone compete with that.

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Postby A_Gupta » 21 Sep 2014 05:54

^^^That reflects their position in the world in their own estimation. Their next leader will be I Ru-Ling.
But they should reflect on the fact that one is close to zero.

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Postby Shreeman » 21 Sep 2014 06:25

^^^^An eleven here and fifty one there, why are the chinese names so odd? Cant they even?

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Postby Shanmukh » 21 Sep 2014 06:34

Shreeman wrote:^^^^An eleven here and fifty one there, why are the chinese names so odd? Cant they even?


Not just odd, presently prime too. The former is odd, the present is prime. Must be because of prime status in Chinese society.

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Postby Shreeman » 21 Sep 2014 08:20

nageshks wrote:
Shreeman wrote:^^^^An eleven here and fifty one there, why are the chinese names so odd? Cant they even?


Not just odd, presently prime too. The former is odd, the present is prime. Must be because of prime status in Chinese society.


Welll! I mean, I can't even...

ps -- over all the visit seems to have met or exceeded the expectations. Including on the PLA front. Now if only the infrastructure and trade deficit aspects actually materialize.

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Postby MN Kumar » 21 Sep 2014 21:30

India Cancels Media Dialogue With China After Border Stand-Off
NEW DELHI: An India-China media dialogues scheduled for later this week in Delhi may have become the first casualty due to the border stand-off between the two countries.

The government of India has abruptly withdrawn clearances for Chinese editors who were coming to Delhi this week for a media exchange with Indian journalists, something that takes place every year.

The think tank organising the event says no reason was given and all they got was a one line fax that the clearances had been withdrawn.

"Due to unavoidable complications, we have had to postpone the India-China Media Exchange. We thank you all for agreeing to participate on Sep 24th -- and dinner -- and we will call on your participation again when we hold the event. But for now, it stands cancelled," the organisers told participating Indian journalists. They insist the Chinese editors had their visas in place.

So far, there has been no official comment by the government.

Soldiers of China's People's Liberation Army, who entered Chumur in Ladakh last week, have remained on Indian territory, despite the reported assurance by Chinese President Xi Jinping -who concluded his three-day visit to India on Friday - to Prime Minister Narendra Modi over the issue. PM Modi had taken up the incursions with President Jinping and bluntly stressed on the need to resolve the dispute quickly and clarify the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Chumur, 300 kilometres north of Ladakh, stands at the intersection of the international border and the Line of Actual Control or the de facto border between the two countries. The Chinese troops allegedly brought in in heavy construction equipment and a large labour force to set up a road up to the border.

The standoff in Chumur worsened on Saturday after a second intrusion by Chinese army personnel in two days was reported at another point after they had withdrawn from the same area.

Story First Published: September 21, 2014 18:16 IST

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Postby schinnas » 21 Sep 2014 22:42

pandyan wrote: :shock: on silk sarees. that's the end of kanchipuram silk saree business I guess. is it cheaper or some other factor (like government subsidy)? I noticed the beautiful idols too at local grocery stores in the us.
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Chinese Silk cloth is famed throughout history. There are several referenes to "cheena Pattu (chinese silk) in old tamil literature from centuries earlier. The only difference is previously it was plain silk cloth. Now it is coming in sarees after copying Indian saree designs.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 22 Sep 2014 00:22

A_Gupta wrote:^^^That reflects their position in the world in their own estimation. Their next leader will be I Ru-Ling.
But they should reflect on the fact that one is close to zero.

Zhi Lo?

Don't forget, India owns zero.

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Postby girish.r » 22 Sep 2014 01:13

OT



At 3:28 in the video, its funny how Xi is waiting to sit, while Mr Doval is discussing something with PM.

His hand gestures seem like 'chinese andar ghuse the, maine unhe bhaga diya'. :rotfl:

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Postby chaanakya » 22 Sep 2014 01:23

Its not OT. it is a signal to China that NSA is the points-man on these issues concerning China and India. Very loud and clear.

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Postby khan » 22 Sep 2014 03:04

Is there a video or document on Doval's views on China like that Pakistan video?

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Postby Philip » 22 Sep 2014 03:43

The Chinese have massacred the Africans with replicas of the handicrafts,shipped by the container to the "dark continent".I understand that a few years ago they "kidnapped" Kanchi weavers to replicate the designs of silk sarees.We have a$50B deficit in trade with China.They are smuggling into India fireworks that are killing the country's local manufacturers at Sivakasi .

I say BAN Chinese goods or impose massive duties.The $50B saved could go to the armed forces ,who need money desperately to ward off China and to help our small scale industry which is being destroyed by cheap Chinese goods.There was an article in a paper/mag about not selling China our precious iron ore.Let us lobby the PMO and FM for the same.It is only this govt. that has the balls to take action against China.

Friends,years ago when the US imposed sanctions against us after P-2,I moved that one of our all-India associations banned the use of a certain vital popular US product .We wrote to the biggest US MNC manufacturer of the same,saying that this was being done because of the unjust sanctions.The speed with which their top desi honchos flew down to try and dissuade us from the same was amazing. For a time we boycotted using the US product,later amending it to "buy US products last".

In similar fashion let us start a nation wide campaign to boycott or buy Chinese goods last. If even a small % of Indians boycott Chinese goods it will be a great act of patriotism for the nation.The campaign can be launched first on social media.Let's take up the challenge in the interests of the nation.

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Postby SSridhar » 22 Sep 2014 17:23

Probe against hotel for keeping northeast staff away during Xi visit - PTI, The Hindu
The Home Ministry on Monday ordered a probe into allegation that employees of northeast origin at an Ahmedabad hotel were asked to stay away during Chinese President Xi Jinping’s recent visit to the city.

Sources said the Ministry asked the Intelligence Bureau (IB) to find out the veracity of the order and, if so, who issued it and why.

There were also reports that northeast origin employees at a mall in Ahmedabad were asked not to come for duty on the day Mr. Xi visited Ahmedabad last week.

The IB has been asked to send its findings by Tuesday after probing the allegations of both the incidents.

The sources said that the Home Ministry ordered the probe taking serious objection to the allegations.

Simply shameful & pathetic. Somebody should have told the hotel and the mall to do so. It needs to be found out.

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Postby panduranghari » 22 Sep 2014 17:40

Philip wrote:
I say BAN Chinese goods or impose massive duties..........


In similar fashion let us start a nation wide campaign to boycott or buy Chinese goods last. If even a small % of Indians boycott Chinese goods it will be a great act of patriotism for the nation.The campaign can be launched first on social media.Let's take up the challenge in the interests of the nation.



WTO membership prevents us from banning Chinese goods as a sovereign state. Importing massive duties will not be permitted as it breached WTO rules.

What most certainly can be done is impose punitive value added tax on chinese goods. It is a state subject so won't invite sanctions from WTO. Centre can't do that without suffering collateral damage.

Another thing I believe is possible, is to subsidize for a short term India made goods which are similar to those dumped by China. Its a long game but it will help.

Of course as you said if we as people dont buy Chinese crap, the retailers wont stock it.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 22 Sep 2014 18:05

pandyan wrote:
asprinzl wrote:In my visit to China I have witnessed Chinese made sarees (including silk), Chinese made little statues of Indian deities including that of Buddha. The Chinese are producing them in mass and it also includes the various items used in the prayer altar of Hindu religion. In all honesty, the quality of these are not bad and the packaging is impressive compared to those produced in India. Price wise they are very attractive. If anyone wonders how and why the India-China trade which a decade ago was in India's favor has reversed so badly need only look this. This should not have happened.
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:shock: on silk sarees. that's the end of kanchipuram silk saree business I guess. is it cheaper or some other factor (like government subsidy)? I noticed the beautiful idols too at local grocery stores in the us.

Kanchi pattu should be copyrighted / trademarked so that only certified kanchi-made sarees can use that name. Similar to how it is done with champagne and scotch. Lots of other Indian products can be brought under such a system, including devata moorthis. Thsre is a useful role priests can play by refusing to do aavaahana for moorthis that don't meet certain criteria. AAgamas can be reviewed and amended if needed to make this happen. Sankaraacharyas, peethaadipathis etc can play a role here, instead of doing nonsensical political activities.

Sorry to be harsh but if we run our religion and culture like rabble then savages will run them for us only.

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Postby Prasad » 22 Sep 2014 18:19

Champagne, cheese, scotch - take it handloom saris, patterns, weaves, region based patents.

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Sep 2014 19:21

^^^ Address the root cause of Indian inefficiency in manufacturing; and make sure China doesn't dump on the Indian market.

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Postby chaanakya » 22 Sep 2014 20:46

KLNMurthy wrote:
Kanchi pattu should be copyrighted / trademarked so that only certified kanchi-made sarees can use that name. Similar to how it is done with champagne and scotch. Lots of other Indian products can be brought under such a system, including devata moorthis. Thsre is a useful role priests can play by refusing to do aavaahana for moorthis that don't meet certain criteria. AAgamas can be reviewed and amended if needed to make this happen. Sankaraacharyas, peethaadipathis etc can play a role here, instead of doing nonsensical political activities.

Sorry to be harsh but if we run our religion and culture like rabble then savages will run them for us only.


Kanchipuram Silk Sarees have GI tag now, in case you are not aware.

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Postby sivab » 22 Sep 2014 20:53

SSridhar wrote:Simply shameful & pathetic. Somebody should have told the hotel and the mall to do so. It needs to be found out.


SSridharji don't fall for MSM tricks. This story was originally carried on Sep. 17 in Ahmedabad mirror (part of times group). It got called out and ToI did not carry it in national feed. Deepal Trivedi (quoted below) is a known for hatred of Modi. Here is her response on twitter for evidence confirming that the whole thing was just hearsay.

deepal trivedi
‏@DeepalTrevedie
@India_MSM ofcourse we will produce evidence when asked.
but that does NOT mean exposing NE staffers and hotel exe who told us on twitter!


Here is the link for conversation

https://twitter.com/DeepalTrevedie/stat ... 6164324352

Here is the real story from nutology

Nakul Swamy ‏@Nutology Sep 17
@ShivAroor Boss the Mirror News abt NE ppl is fake. Have call recordings of staff I spoke to. Head Chef is NE resident. Lama Dawa


Unfortunately few political parties in NE have fell for this trick and protested. This has necessitated the investigation.

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Postby Nandu » 22 Sep 2014 20:57



There is other reports that the hotel and the police have denied that this happened. Looks like a manufactured controversy.

BTW, in this connection, does anybody remember, and have links to newspaper articles, regarding the controversy during MMS state visit to the US, where MMS security detail is supposed to have told the hotel not to have Indian looking staff in the floors that MMS occupied?

I can't find any news links, but I distinctly remember this happened.

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Postby sivab » 22 Sep 2014 21:08

SSridhar, see confirmation from horse mouth

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ahme ... 84387.html

Ahmedabad Police, hotel deny issuing diktat to NE staff during Xi Jinping's visit

Hours after the Union Home Ministry ordered a probe into reports that employees of an Ahmedabad hotel from the northeast were asked to stay away from duty during Chinese President Xi Jinping's recent visit, the city police and hotel management have denied issuing any such instruction.

"I am not aware of any such diktat given by police to the hotel authorities about their staff. We were just concerned about the Tibetans," said Joint Commissioner of Police (Crime) AK Sharma.

JCP of Special Branch Vikas Sahay too said he was not aware of any such order having been issued.

The Management of hotel Hyatt Ahmedabad expressed surprise over the reports and claimed all staffers, including those from the northeast, did duty on September 17 when Xi had a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi there.

"There was no such order given to the hotel staff on that day. All staff, including those from the northeast, was present in the hotel and doing duty when Chinese President arrived. I am surprised as to how such baseless reports are doing the rounds," said Marketing Manager of Hyatt Ahmedabad Ayesha Mishra.

Earlier in the day, the Home Ministry had asked the Intelligence Bureau to ascertain the veracity of reports about the order and, if it was indeed issued, who did it and why.


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Postby rsingh » 22 Sep 2014 23:14

Such a big zhapad on PLA because of India? It is big news if true. PLA dared to defy Chairman of Military commission and got an almost public zhapad. IMO Modi ji expressed his doubt about who controls PLA thus putting 11 jin pegs in very tight corner. Chinese chairman was visibly shaken when he came out for joint press conf.

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Postby sivab » 22 Sep 2014 23:23

Brahma Chellaney @Chellaney · 1h
Amid a tense but localized troop standoff in Ladakh, Indian Army chief scraps Bhutan trip while Xi asks PLA to be ready for a "regional war"

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Postby sivab » 22 Sep 2014 23:26

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/xi-j ... 84400.html

Xi Jinping asks Chinese Army to be ready for a regional war

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Monday asked the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to be combat ready to win a "regional war" and make sure that all decisions from the central leadership are strictly followed.

"Headquarters of PLA forces must have absolute loyalty and firm faith in the Communist Party of China, guarantee a smooth chain of command and make sure all decisions from the central leadership are fully implemented," said Xi, chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC) and the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC).

"Headquarters of all PLA forces should improve their combat readiness and sharpen their ability to win a regional war in the age of information technology," Xi, who returned from India last week after a three-day visit, was quoted as saying by the state-run Xinhua news agency.

Though this is not the first time that Xi has asked the PLA to be ready for a "regional war", his statement assumes significance in the context of repeated incursions into Indian territory along the Line of Actual Control which cast a shadow during his visit.

All PLA forces should follow the instructions of President Xi and update their operations to meet new goals and missions set by the CMC, an official statement said.

It is not yet clear why the emphasis was made on absolute loyalty and to follow the orders to ensure smooth chain of command.

Xi's directives come in the midst of a standoff between the PLA and Indian troops in Chumar area in Ladakh region along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

The standoff took a new turn yesterday with the PLA pitching seven tents well within the Indian territory and showing no signs of withdrawing from the territory.

Xi, 61, acquired the image of China's most powerful leader after Deng Xiaoping, who succeeded Mao, as he headed the Presidency, the CPC and the military from day one of coming to power unlike his predecessor Hu Jintao.

Since then, Xi has reshuffled the military postings of the generals loyal to him at the top and removed and prosecuted some top PLA generals for corruption.

Yesterday, General Fang Fenghui, PLA chief, said in a statement that all PLA forces follow the instructions of President Xi who is also the chairman of the CMC, which is the overall high command of the Chinese military.

Fang said the forces should update their operations to meet new goals and missions set by the CMC.

Meanwhile, the PLA chiefs of staff met in Beijing to discuss how to improve the efficiency of military command under new circumstances. Fang attended the meeting.



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