Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 10 Oct 2014 23:16

Australia – Pakistan Second ODI at Dubai 10-10-2014

Australia beat Pakistan by Five Wickets

Pakistan 215 in 49.3 overs

Australia 217/5 in 43.2 overs

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 10 Oct 2014 23:28

7 die in stampede after PTI rally in Multan

MULTAN: Seven people lost their lives in a stampede at the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) rally at Qasim Bagh.

According to Nishter hospital sources, 43 people were injured in the stampede.

Hospital sources added that most of the deaths were due to suffocation.

Cheers

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 10 Oct 2014 23:33

Kailash Satyarthi is there to give an anonymous gravitas to Malala's award. He will be expected to show up, say his bit, disappear in the cloud of dust that trails Malala's conferred glory. Years from now he will become an obscure quiz question- "who was the other Nobel Peace Prize winner when Malala....". Satyarthi has been used, despite that he has been the one who has put in a lifetime of labour, created a body of hardcore, unglamorous, activist work

I would bet large sums of money that the Piss Prize committee's reasoning for Malala's award went as follows:

1. Let's give Malala the award, it'll be a 'strong statement'
2. Wait, we don't want to be considered lightweights do we? She's a kid.
3.But can't we give it to her, we'll all look so cool.
3. Ok then how about we have a joint winner, someone older to give Malala's award some weight to satisfy those nasty critics (let's not forget this is Malala's award, though)
4. Lookee here, there's an Indian who fits the bill. And he works with children! Excellent!
5. The subtext - Indian/Pakistani, Piss Piss, Border Border, Hindu Muslim- is especially delicious
6. The Nobel Committee is pleased to announce....

With her award, my contempt for this annual rite is complete.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 10 Oct 2014 23:47

^^^OT, but still relevant.
Kailash could be a useful idiot. But he can be groomed (if he has ambition like dotty roy) to be used as a potent weapon to kill any "pride" coming from India. The next Mars shot will have Kailash on the side saying look, the yeevil yindoos are launching stuff to Mars and here are kids working like slaves. What to do onleeee.

If the Nobel kommittee had any sense they should have given it to the Taliban head for liberating Afghanistan from yeevil soviets.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 23:57

^^^ Why so down on Kailash Satyarthi? Am going to post further on the Universalism thread.

à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£ · Post by **à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£** » 11 Oct 2014 00:01

Congrats to Kailash, but how does working to eradicate child labour equate to a "peace" prize ? Nobel Peace prize is supposedly given to someone who has "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 11 Oct 2014 00:11

Karan M wrote:
Perhaps time someone asked General loudmouth as to why exactly he left the IA. Suffice to say, his is not a respected voice in several places.

Because he was much interested in brother officer spouse than officers work.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 11 Oct 2014 00:20

Malala's too young. The award has been given too soon to her.

There are far better candidates. How about Bill Gates for his work in the foundation?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 11 Oct 2014 01:36

The Nobel Peace Prize is essentially a Norwegian government institution.

saip · Post by **saip** » 11 Oct 2014 02:33

Has anyone read Malala's book? Someone quoted this from it:

But we weren’t exactly cooperating as the ISI was still arming Taliban fighters and giving their leaders sanctuary in Quetta. They even persuaded the Americans to let them fly hundreds of Pakistani fighters out of northern Afghanistan. The ISI chief asked the Americans to hold off their attack on Afghanistan until he had gone to Kandahar to ask the Taliban leader Mullah Omar to hand over bin Laden; instead he offered the Taliban help

Anyone could see that Musharraf was double-dealing, taking American money while still helping
the jihadis – ‘strategic assets’, as the ISI calls them. The Americans say they gave Pakistan billions of
dollars to help their campaign against al-Qaeda but we didn’t see a single cent.

When the first event happened she must have been all of 4 and when the second one happened she was no more than 10. And she knew all that?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Oct 2014 02:36

Religious parties protest against Indian aggression

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Oct 2014 02:55

saip wrote:Has anyone read Malala's book? Someone quoted this from it:

.......

When the first event happened she must have been all of 4 and when the second one happened she was no more than 10. And she knew all that?

Pak perfidy bachha, bachha jaanta hain!

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 11 Oct 2014 03:32

A_Gupta wrote:The great mosque - doesn't look very original or inspiring:
http://info-360.com/grand-jamia-mosque- ... wn-lahore/

exterior pictures make it look grotesque. Anyway par for the course for Shitistan

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 11 Oct 2014 03:37

The biggest reason Kailash Satyarti was given a Nobel along with Malala is Islamophobia, or the allergy towards being accused of possessing. The committee didn't want to be seen as sticking it to the Islamic world by honoring one of its victims, because they are well aware that is how Malala is seen. They also don't want to condemn the Pakis exclusively, so went about looking for some Indian, fairly non-controversial, with whom they could do an equal-equal, make Pakis feel good that Indians/Hindus also have same problems that need to be highlighted, and do the whole patronizing bit of Hindu-Muslim, Indian-Paki peace peace BS when neither of the recipients plays any part in the political, civilizational conflict that is Pakistan's vis-a-vis India.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 11 Oct 2014 03:42

Someone on twitter said that the Nobel peace committee should give itself a Nobel peace prize for having tried so hard to bring about peace by giving to various warring parties like Hindoos and Moslems. Then a_gupta's comment about recipient conferring honor can come full circle.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2014 03:56

Shrinivasan wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:The great mosque - doesn't look very original or inspiring:
http://info-360.com/grand-jamia-mosque- ... wn-lahore/
exterior pictures make it look grotesque. Anyway par for the course for Shitistan

Thanks allah for Mosque, i for once thought they might build school or hospital which they have not build since 47.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 11 Oct 2014 04:20

BTW, looks like Malala is a Marxist in the making

Historic 32nd congress of Pakistani section of IMT – First Day

Message from Malala

Comrade Javed Iqbal, a Pakistani comrade from Birmingham in the UK, intervened to read out a message that had been sent from Malala Yousafzai, the young sympathiser of the Marxist Tendency famous for her part in the struggle for the right to education for girls in Pakistan. She had taken part in the national Marxist Summer School in July of last year in Swat. She was tragically shot in the head in a barbaric attack by fundamentalists, and made headlines worldwide. She is now thankfully recovering in the UK.

The message she sent reads as follows:

“First of all I’d like to thank The Struggle and the IMT for giving me a chance to speak last year at their Summer Marxist School in Swat and also for introducing me to Marxism and Socialism. I just want to say that in terms of education, as well as other problems in Pakistan, it is high time that we did something to tackle them ourselves. It’s important to take the initiative. We cannot wait around for any one else to come and do it. Why are we waiting for someone else to come and fix things? Why aren’t we doing it ourselves?

“I would like to send my heartfelt greetings to the congress. I am convinced Socialism is the only answer and I urge all comrades to take this struggle to a victorious conclusion. Only this will free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation.”

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 11 Oct 2014 04:29

SSridhar wrote:Why does the Nobel Committee task about a 'Hindu & Muslim and an Indian & Pakistani' ? What have these got to do with the award? Nobel Peace prizes are political these days.

These days? Of all the categories of the Nobel prizes, the Piss prize has always been a complete farce. The Nobel committee converted the prize into a parody of itself when they awarded it to Henry Kissinger of all people in 1973.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 11 Oct 2014 04:33

^^^^ Not just a communist, but studying physics. At already too old an age for malsi rituals Mr yusufzai is said (alleged?) to be desparately looking for a good sunni boy in birminghistan after her GCSE. It would appear the pickings are slim in the sunni/pushtun community due to age/own money/visibility/mixing with boys at school/reading-writing/speaking/not wearing burqa/traveling to haraam lands/not dying when shot/ list goes on. Punjabi politically connected folks may offer somne choices but are difficult to swallow for the familydue to their habit of keeping a wife/groomed in every port. The piss prize has added to an already difficult situation for the girl.

ps - mirpuris are disqualified and need tot apply.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Oct 2014 04:58

ravip wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Perhaps time someone asked General loudmouth as to why exactly he left the IA. Suffice to say, his is not a respected voice in several places.
Because he was much interested in brother officer spouse than officers work.

In turn the fellow became His Masters Voice for the INC. Political contacts

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2014 05:06

Jhujar wrote:
Thanks allah for Mosque, i for once thought they might build school or hospital which they have not build since 47.

+1

Mosque is enough no? It will do the role of school and hospital and <ahem ahem>

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 11 Oct 2014 06:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2V31hSdftA
Taliban Khan's Rona Dhona

Enjoy the entertainment as Dimran keeps ranting about the small hearted SDRE bania Modi. Lots of == in the rona dhona. Usual Baki bluster of standing up to India and solve Kashmir and quickly doing a downhill ski to please, please trade with Bakistan. If India has poverty, Pakistan too is a victim of poverty ...

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 11 Oct 2014 06:11

MurthyB wrote: BTW, looks like Malala is a Marxist in the making

Historic 32nd congress of Pakistani section of IMT – First Day

Sure, the citizens of the colony of Tarrel Fliend have to follow its ideology!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 11 Oct 2014 06:18

Now that she has been elevated in fame with a No-bull Piss Price, any bets on how long it will be before BB II (Malala) displays her true Pakistaniyat and raises the raisin dieter of Pakistan to be resolved according to the wishes of the innocent malsis of core issue?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2014 06:54

Guys, I must admit, I never heard of Kailash Satyarthi before, but having heard him today on various shows, he does come across to me as gentle guy, quietly gong about his work and his convictions. And I might add I know many Indians like him who quietly go about their business working for causes they are passionate about. Although he seems ecstatic, this piss is actually just that at 2 levels: 1) Clubbing his service to someone as immature as Malala (and I mean no disrespect to her), and 2) The brazen political statement the Nobel piss b@stards made by doing this willful condescending equal equal when TSP is raping India.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Oct 2014 06:55

A_Gupta wrote:The great mosque - doesn't look very original or inspiring:
http://info-360.com/grand-jamia-mosque- ... wn-lahore/

When they put little domes on all the domes of the mosque., it will make sure that all faithfools will come salivating ...

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 Oct 2014 07:09

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 11 Oct 2014 07:10

Here it is...doesn't take too long

Malala wants Modi, Sharif to attend Nobel Award ceremony

Malala Yousafzai, the youngest ever Nobel Peace Prize winner, on Friday requested Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to be present when the prize is awarded to her and Indian winner Kailash Satyarthi in Oslo on 10 December.

Making a statement in Birmingham after finishing school, she said she had spoken to Satyarthi, and had asked him also to request Modi to attend the event. She said she would similarly request Sharif for his participation.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Oct 2014 07:31

Previously largely sensible Farrukh Khan Pitafi loses it. Veneer of good sense is truly in short supply among the Mohammaddens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Enjoy the hissy-fit

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Blood moon and Indian madness

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 11 Oct 2014 07:37

Good western ploy, this so called invite to PM of India and PM of Pakistan to come and attend. Invitation extended by a young girl. Also has an Indian awardee. Must be part of the terms and conditions that came with the award.

So Modi will be criticized if he does not accept. Will be criticized for accepting. It is just another pay ops. It is just an attempt to push Modi to a more accommodative position to stabilize Paksitan by accepting to engage.

The Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize Committee has been told what to do and so have the awardees. Any prizes for guessing by whom?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Oct 2014 07:55

There is the SAARC summit in Nepal in November (the Nobel ceremony is in December, I believe), and so Modi and Sharif will come face-to-face there - who knows if they will meet?

And Modi is not a politician worth anything if this minor "dilemma" posed by this so-called invite is beyond him.

I mean - get a grip! Modi has given the go-ahead for shelling of Pakistan in which, no matter how accurate, civilians are going to be collateral damage. Plus his not yielding to Pakistani pressure to resume dialog means that until Pakistan stops shelling on its own, many Indians are going to be casualties. Can there be any greater pressure than this latter -- "I am not getting Pakistan to stop shelling now by yielding to their demand for dialog, because I believe that in the long run, by standing firm, I will save more Indian lives than are lost now" -- you think this conviction can be arrived at and stood by lightly?

If this Nobel thing is somehow equivalent in pressure, it will only be because Modi's constituency is a bunch of lily-livered poltroons, who live and die by bhestern opinion of India.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Oct 2014 07:55

I thought about the same thing and was thinking how Modi will respond.

I will not be surprised that Modi will cite un-availability due to time constraints and instead send Arun Jaitley (assuming he will be in good health and as Defense minister) or Sushma Swaraj (as EA minister) or NSA Ajit Doval.

OR

Modi may go and turn it into an opportunity and talk about achievements of Indians.

Anyway there is no precedent of heads of state attending ignobel piss prize unless the head of state happens to be obomber.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 11 Oct 2014 08:00

No need to send anyone. GOI has already responded on social media posts by the Hon Rashtrapati as well as PM where he has congratulated both winners. As for the award ceremony, there is no precedence of heads of state attending private functions. Ambassador of India in Norway will represent the President and Government of India.

Later both Malala and Kailashji will be invited to the Rshtrapati Bhavan, served tea and facilitated.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 11 Oct 2014 08:04

Meanwhile on the border punishment front the GOI issues the following:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 779226.cms

I think this is as good as calling a spade a big bloody shovel as it gets. Also note that this message is not for the Pakis but the benefactors behind them as well.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Oct 2014 08:04

Mostly the takleef seems to be that it is "traditional" for Pakistanis to fire off a few rounds. Just like how it is "traditional" for them to meet Hurrirats. Why come India is reacting so violently hain ji? Pakistan only did what was traditional to them. Why isnt India respecting tradition like in the past?

I am largely satisfied on what is going on in the border. Reacting with 10x the force is needed so that it sets the norm for what punishment would be like for future adventures. Our jawans were being sniped, beheaded and IEDs detonated with no reply. Now we need to raise the cost for such adventurism so that these things stop and our Jawans can patrol in peace.

That being said, I am not sure I like where this is headed. There is surely an incentive now for Pakis to launch a massive terror attack. Massa is not giving money anymore so that there is no danger for massa to cut off funding. We are not talking to them either. At best we can only fire from the border. We have no options to retaliate. I'd have liked for our Netas to not issue such strong statements. Instead i'd have liked them to issue statements that "Pakistan is our neighbor, we'd like to live with peace with them, but not while they keep attacking us. We will reciprocate peace with peace, but not aggression with peace". Like it or not, Pakistan is at our border, it is likely to survive. We need to show them carrot and stick and toilet train them on how civilized nations behave. Army must impose steep costs at the border, while our politicians give them a free hand to respond but issue statements on how we desire peace if they'd only behave. Basically smile at them so they have their H&D intact, while shoving a boot up their musharraf so they behave.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Oct 2014 08:12

Full Text of Noble Peace Prize award press release :

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2014

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2014 is to be awarded to Kailash Satyarthi and Malala Yousafzay for their struggle against the suppression of children and young people and for the right of all children to education. Children must go to school and not be financially exploited. In the poor countries of the world, 60% of the present population is under 25 years of age. It is a prerequisite for peaceful global development that the rights of children and young people be respected. In conflict-ridden areas in particular, the violation of children leads to the continuation of violence from generation to generation.

Showing great personal courage, Kailash Satyarthi, maintaining Gandhi’s tradition, has headed various forms of protests and demonstrations, all peaceful, focusing on the grave exploitation of children for financial gain. He has also contributed to the development of important international conventions on children’s rights.

Despite her youth, Malala Yousafzay has already fought for several years for the right of girls to education, and has shown by example that children and young people, too, can contribute to improving their own situations. This she has done under the most dangerous circumstances. Through her heroic struggle she has become a leading spokesperson for girls’ rights to education.

The Nobel Committee regards it as an important point for a Hindu and a Muslim, an Indian and a Pakistani, to join in a common struggle for education and against extremism. Many other individuals and institutions in the international community have also contributed. It has been calculated that there are 168 million child labourers around the world today. In 2000 the figure was 78 million higher. The world has come closer to the goal of eliminating child labour.

The struggle against suppression and for the rights of children and adolescents contributes to the realization of the “fraternity between nations” that Alfred Nobel mentions in his will as one of the criteria for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Oslo, 10 October 2014

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 11 Oct 2014 08:16

Anujan

There are other options. It will be a miscalculation on the part of Pakistan if they think India does not have options. I have always maintained artificial entities cannot survive. Pakistan is an entity will not survive.

India is not interested in survival or disintegration of this artificial entity beyond the point of assessing its impact to India. It is for the rulers of the artificial entity and its backers and sponsors to figure out how to make it survive and more importantly to decide if it needs to survive.

India is ready for whatever decision Pakistan takes or whatever happens to Pakistan. I think this is not yet understood by many in India and even on these boards. After all only the events will teach us at its hour.

Just my take.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Oct 2014 08:38

Also this Sartaj Aziz fella is too clever by half. He has issued a statement along the lines that he finds it regrettable that India is unable to rein in its Army. I dont understand this piskology of what satisfaction Pakistanis derive by making a statement along the lines of "You are as bad as us". That seems to be a default taunt. Indians would usually taunt "You are a donkey, you are monkey", Pakistanis taunt "You are pakistani".

Someone should remind Sartaj Aziz about the last time he was the foreign minister. His prime minister Nawaz barely escaped with his head still attached to his neck. If Nawaz hadnt had any Saudi connections, Musharraf would have hung him from a lampost. And Mr Aziz himself would have been in jail with a rod up his musharraf and a few finger nails missing.

Maybe he should save his regrets about lack of civilian control over the army to use when the current Nawaz Sharif dispensation gets sent packing by the bad Sharif.

Edit: Anyone listened to the voice of america interview with Motorma Fair? The motorma who interviewed her, pointed out things like "but everyone in Pakistan wants peace with India onlee!! But Pakistan india equal equal and Pakistan itself victim of terrorism onleee!!". Guess where the interviewer motorma is from?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 11 Oct 2014 09:06

I barely recall this gravity of takleef from the Pakis and their sympathisers in recent times..it seems that our BSF have really done a number on them

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Oct 2014 09:16

A_Gupta wrote:I was just reflecting that Pakistan's Nobel winners, Abdus Salam and Malala Yusufzai, could not safely live in Pakistan.

Reflection of others on the problems faced by Noble Prize winners in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

By winning the Nobel prize, Malala joins Pakistan’s loneliest club :

Washington Post

The antagonism towards Malala in Pakistan:

BBC