Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Mahendra » 22 Oct 2014 11:09

The Chin@l Rangers will be up to no good today as it is Diwali, I hope the BSF preempts this and gives them a good Diwali dhamaka

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Harish » 22 Oct 2014 11:19

shiv wrote:

Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

And all the dead are confirmed "militants", too. The paki National Bird's fiery droppings kill many innocents and pregnant women, but when fizzleya conducts an airstrike on its own population, only the bad taliban perish. Might be using a really good fire control system.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby SSridhar » 22 Oct 2014 13:29

Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief - DAWN
Chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) Maulana Mohammad Khan Sheerani has said a Muslim woman cannot object to the second or subsequent marriages of her husband.

Presiding over a meeting of the council here on Tuesday, he said a woman could not demand divorce if her husband married a second, third or fourth time.

He said Islam had given the women the right to separate from her husband, but another marriage could not be a valid ground for doing so.

The council discussed the relevant section of the Muslim Divorce Act, 1939, and observed that it was against Sharia.

We want the government to repeal this section, Maulana Sheerani said.

A woman can seek divorce under various circumstances and Clause (F) of Section 2 of the Act says: “If he has more than one wife, does not treat her equitably in accordance with the injunctions of the Holy Quran.”

Later talking to newsmen, the CII chief said the law needed amendment. The woman could seek separation if she was treated with inequality or cruelty, he said.

Talking about child marriage, he said nikah was justified only if it had been solemnised by the father or the grandfather of the girl in good faith and not as part of a ritual, but “rukhsati before attaining the age of 18 years is not allowed in Islam”.

He said if a man was jailed for seven years, it could not be a valid reason for separation because the sentence could be condoned well before that period.

On May 22 this year, the council had ruled that a girl as young as nine years of age is eligible for marriage if the signs of puberty are visible.

Maulana Sheerani had said at that time that the concept of minimum age of marriage, which is 18 years under the law, was not in accordance with Islam.

“As per the Islamic point of view marriage age is nine years for those girls who have visible signs of puberty and the same is 12 years for boys, but they both become eligible for marriage at the age of 15 years,” he had announced five months ago.

Tuesday’s CII meeting was the fourth this year to have focused on marriage laws.

The meeting also reviewed various laws, including the Protection of Pakistan Act, the National Security Policy, the code of conduct to prevent sectarian terrorism and sex education in the curriculum.

On March 10 this year, the council noted that the laws regarding second marriage by a man in the presence of the first wife were against Sharia.

“Sharia allows men to have more than one wife and we demanded the government to amend the relevant laws where a person has to seek prior permission from the existing wife / wives,” the CII chief had said in the meeting.

Maulana Sheerani, who is also an MNA of JUI-F, had told media after that meeting that the CII had suggested to the government to amend the marriage laws as Sharia has clearly defined provisions of up to four marriages by a man and this was easy to understand and follow
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby chaanakya » 22 Oct 2014 14:47

Yawn on Maula Jatt

Maula Jatt eventually ran for more than two years, racking a huge profit for its makers and in the process keeping the disintegrating Pakistan film industry afloat for at least another 10 years.

Lastly, Rahi, who rose to become the biggest box-office attraction in the 1980s and almost single-handedly kept the industry rolling, was shot dead in 1996. The police report suggested that he was killed by bandits on a Punjab highway where his car had stopped due to a flat tyre.

However, ever since his death two other theories have emerged. One claims that he was shot by a group of men who had some property dispute with him. The other theory suggests that Rahi, who was born into a Christian family but had become a Muslim in the 1960s, was planning to re-convert to Christianity and that those in the know ambushed him (for this reason).

Nevertheless, till this day his death remains to be shrouded in mystery (and theories).

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Brad Goodman » 22 Oct 2014 16:30

Subhanallah :mrgreen:
50pc of female doctors never work after graduation

It is a general perception in Pakistan that uneducated people do not allow women to work and girls should be provided education to make them an effective part of society.

But on Tuesday, the participants of a news conference were informed that about 50 per cent of women, who graduated from medical colleges, never worked.

Pakistan Medical and Dental Council (PMDC) president Prof Dr Masood Hameed told the news conference that female medical students occupied the general merit seats in public sector medical colleges and got subsidy but after completing their education they never started their professional career.
Dr Hameed said at the moment there were 78037 male and 65324 female doctors, 5420 male dental practitioners and 8300 female dental practitioners in Pakistan. Out of the total medical and dental practitioners, almost 50 per cent are women, he added.

“Only 50 per cent of the female doctors are working. On the other hand, a number of doctors (mostly males) have gone out of the country. There are around 50,000 to 60,000 medical practitioners against the demand of 600,000 in the country,” he said.

“We need more medical and dental colleges. Pakistan is producing around 14,000 doctors per year out of whom 70 per cent are women. It is feared that almost 50 per cent of the medical students would never work,” he said.

Dr Hameed said in Pakistan only $9.3 were spent on the healthcare of each citizen per year against the international standard of $60.

“With such scant resources and number of medical practitioners, Pakistan cannot meet its needs for healthcare.

Moreover, migration of doctors and the rapidly increasing population is adding to the problem.”

He said so far the College of Physicians and Surgeons Pakistan (CPSP) produced only 32879 specialists out of whom 40 per cent left the country. So there are only 20000 specialists against the requirement of 100,000.

In reply to a question, Dr Hameed said the gap of specialists in the country could not be fulfilled.

“The PMDC is being restricted in its functioning by certain elements. They have refused to accept the PMDC as a regulator.”

He added that teachers currently being produced were not up to the standard that was why the quality of medical education was deteriorating.

Dr Hameed, while talking to Dawn, added that students who got admission to medical colleges on general merit seats paid around Rs15,000 to Rs20,000 fee a year, so they completed their MBBS by spending around Rs100,000.

On the other hand, the government spends almost Rs2.5 million on each MBBS student. Unfortunately, after completion of the course, most of the female medical graduates never worked. Those who want to work try to leave the country and settle abroad, especially in the US, Saudi Arabia,” he said.

“The US prefers to get doctors from other countries because on the production of each doctor it has to spend $250,000. So the US hires the services of doctors from other countries and spends that amount in the health sector.”

The PMDC chief said he was formulating a proposal under which every student who got admission to a medical college on general seat would be bound to work in the government or private sector in the country for at least three years after graduation. Those who want to go abroad would have to pay the amount of subsidy - Rs 2.4 million - paid by the government for their medical education.

“Moreover, there is a suggestion that doctors who have studied on general merit seats and were earning well should pay back the amount of subsidy to the government. A pool should be made and doctors should be asked to deposit the amount of subsidy in it. That amount can be spent in the health sector,” he said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Brad Goodman » 22 Oct 2014 16:41

mujahids are loosing their mojo
Three injured in attack on polio team in Bajaur
Three people were injured on Wednesday when a remote-controlled blast targeted a polio team in the Bajaur tribal region's Mamond tehsil.

Rescue teams rushed to the site of the attack and shifted the injured who included two Levies personnel on security duty and a driver to a hospital in Khar.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Prem » 22 Oct 2014 22:23

Afghanistan calls India an 'all-weather friend' :rotfl:
Ashraf Afghans Know how to Handle Miskeen Paki Pandle

ISLAMABAD: Just days after newly-elected Afghan President Ashraf Ghani called for an end to the traditional ’blame game’ between Pakistan and Afghanistan, acting Interior Minister Umer Daudzai alleged that the Taliban gets training and equipment in Pakistan. “During the winter, the Taliban cross the Durand Line into their shelters in Pakistan, where they get training and equipment, and come back along with new recruits the following spring,” Daudzai, a close confidant of former President Hamid Karzai, told the Munich Security Conference Core Group Meeting in New Delhi.
Daudzai’s remarks come days after Ghani’s statements in favor of marking an end the Karzai-era mistrust and to open an era of tension-free relationship.“We must avoid accusing each other and must create an atmosphere of trust between us. Today, a new window has been opened in relations between the two countries. We hope that the new window will turn into a door and finally into a corridor of cooperation,” President Ghani told the Pakistani National Security Adviser Sartaj Aziz in Kabul on Sunday.However, the Afghan interior minister pursued traditional tactics at an international forum in sheer disregard to his president’s positive approach to open a new chapter in bilateral relations.
“They (Taliban) are accompanied by Pakistani-based extremist militant organisations as well as regional terrorist outfits such as IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) etc,” Daudzai said, in a written speech posted on his official Twitter account on Wednesday.He said the IMU and ETIM latter are using Afghan Taliban as guides to cross over to Central Asia and beyond.“This means we are located on the crossroads of terrorists going back and forth from subcontinent to Central Asia, Middle East and China.”He claimed these militants have very close links with the drug and weapon mafia in Central Asia.“With the help of the money they get from supplying drugs, they buy weapons to destabilise Afghanistan and the region as a whole.”Describing India as “an all-weather friend of Afghanistan,” the Afghan Interior Minister admitted Kabul’s failure to eliminate the Taliban, whom Karzai had always termed as the “sons of Afghan soil.”
“We have challenges too, and rather serious challenges. We have not been able to break the Taliban movement and seasonal cycles,” Dau
dzai, who served as Karzai’s top diplomat in Pakistan.
However, Daudzai realised the key role of neighbours in the peace process with the Taliban.
“We all know that for a genuine peace settlement, our neighbors’ sincere cooperation is key. In this respect, we are inviting our neighbors to have a fresh look at the arising opportunities and see the threat that they are also now faced with,” the Afghan minister told the conference

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Peregrine » 22 Oct 2014 22:26

Amber G. wrote:Edhi’s money returned with apology
Veteran social worker Abdus Sattar Edhi, who was robbed at gunpoint at an office of his charity last week, received a box by mail yesterday with all his money and an apology note that said it was a misunderstanding.
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“I believe that he had it coming,” said a professor in criminology. Citing a number of mistakes that the 86-year-old Edhi had made, he said the revered welfare worker was extremely easy to rob. “First of all, who does he think he is, keeping more than a few thousand rupees in cash and valuables on him when he knows he lives in Karachi?” asked the expert, who closely monitors crime in Pakistan’s largest city. “I know he is a good person, but so is everyone else who gets robbed.”
“Do not take this personally,” the gunmen said in their apology. “We have nothing against you, and we admire you for all the work you are doing. We were only after your money. We salute your courage and bravery. You had so much money and were still unarmed.”
A key mistake Abdus Sattar Edhi made, according to our criminology expert, was that he had no weapons on him. “One primary reason he was targeted successfully was that he is among the very few bearded men in the city who does not have access to weapons .....

:mrgreen:


Amber G. Ji :

Methinks that ABS had far more Cash - both Cwapistani & Foreign currency - as well as Gold and must have SQUIRRELED his "Stash" in different parts of his House or other "Secure" Location. Thus he has replaced a similar amount as he has alleged the "Bandits" have taken. There is no way that Cwapistani "Dakus" will return the Money as we all know the capabilities of the Cwapistani Puls!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Shankk » 22 Oct 2014 23:03

Anujan wrote:The jihadi Ejaz Haider has written that Pakistan might obstruct Modis vision for economic progress if Pakistan is provoked. (Read it as Jihadis will strap soosai bum)


This is a welcome opportunity. India should make her stand clear in diplomatic words to the rest of the world that India needs to settle this issue soon to protect their investment in India. If Pakistan helps settle it in civilized way then good else by other means. There is a threat to the world's investment in that they are loosing a good opportunity to make money in India due to paki threats of terrorism. This problems needs to be solved ASAP because if ignored this threat will be issued again after few more years or decades. In the past the world would have lost few hundred thousand dollars of investment in India due to pakistan, now they will loose hundreds of million dollars of investment and in the future their investment of billions of dollars is at stake. So India is actually helping them by solving paki problem.

They choosing to not do investment in India is a threat to India provoking her to take ever more drastic measures and nobody wants a war between new clear neighbors. Do they?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby RCase » 23 Oct 2014 00:03

Harish wrote:And all the dead are confirmed "militants", too. The paki National Bird's fiery droppings kill many innocents and pregnant women, but when fizzleya conducts an airstrike on its own population, only the bad taliban perish. Might be using a really good fire control system.

That is just like their missile 'tests'. They always meet their mission objectives the moment they are lit!
Aren't 97% of the residents of Pakistan followers of the religion of extreme peace? Wouldn't it be apt to say that there is a 97% probability of those that are killed will be militants? After all Hafeez-e-Suar is only promoting people to people contact with India and sending charitable contributions via his volunteers.

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Postby Anujan » 23 Oct 2014 00:16

Mush has given an interview in India today that Modi is anti muslim, anti Pakistan (well he is PM of India, not sure why he should be pro-Pakistan. Must be the small cold hindu heart) and Pakistan can defeat India conventionally (like how they did at Kargil, I presume).

Why are such clowns being interviewed at all?

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Postby Amber G. » 23 Oct 2014 01:14

Anujan wrote:Mush has given an interview in India today that Modi is anti muslim, anti Pakistan (well he is PM of India, not sure why he should be pro-Pakistan. Must be the small cold hindu heart) and Pakistan can defeat India conventionally (like how they did at Kargil, I presume).

Why are such clowns being interviewed at all?

Among other things ..
KARACHI: Former president Gen. (retd) Pervez Musharraf on Wednesday said that India wanted to create anarchy in Pakistan and the later would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons for its defense if needed.

In an interview with an Indian TV channel, Pervez Musharraf called Indian Premiere Narendra Modi anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim, adding that Pakistan doesn’t show aggression towards India.

Musharraf further said our forces are always ready to confront any challenge on eastern border. He said: "New Delhi is trying to destabilize Pakistan internally by fighting a proxy war".

Pakistan won’t shy using nuclear weapons if needed: Musharraf

OTOH Bilawal would rather die than give up Kas... Karachi

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Postby Dipanker » 23 Oct 2014 01:40

Anujan wrote:Mush has given an interview in India today that Modi is anti muslim, anti Pakistan (well he is PM of India, not sure why he should be pro-Pakistan. Must be the small cold hindu heart) and Pakistan can defeat India conventionally (like how they did at Kargil, I presume).

Why are such clowns being interviewed at all?


The DDM sure knows how to score self goal. There is absolutely no need for this Paki propaganda on Indian airwaves.

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Postby A_Gupta » 23 Oct 2014 02:02

Dipanker wrote:
Anujan wrote:Mush has given an interview in India today that Modi is anti muslim, anti Pakistan (well he is PM of India, not sure why he should be pro-Pakistan. Must be the small cold hindu heart) and Pakistan can defeat India conventionally (like how they did at Kargil, I presume).

Why are such clowns being interviewed at all?


The DDM sure knows how to score self goal. There is absolutely no need for this Paki propaganda on Indian airwaves.


I think Indian viewers can decide for themselves whether Mush is a reasonable guy or not. IMO, this is better than not knowing who Mush is, and instead getting from a Manmohan Singh-like leader something like the Bush endorsement of Putin - "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul", and then having to swallow a deal the MMS-like leader makes with a Mush. With more exposure of Pak "reasonableness" to Indians, the public opinion pressure will be there well before a MMS-like leader even begins talks.

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Postby Amber G. » 23 Oct 2014 02:19

^^^ Yeah..let people see for themselves..
Meanwhile per report: (Bilwal is impressed)

Bilawal Bhutto adopts Pervez Musharraf as his father

Islamabad. In a strange twist of events, Bilawal Bhutto today announced that he was going to adopt Pervez Musharraf as his father. Reportedly, the child young Bhutto was impressed by the former dictator’s latest rant on Kashmir.

“Banawenge banawenge, isko apna baap banawenge,” Bilawal declared earlier today.

When asked why was he taking such a step, which was stupid even by his own standards, he told that after listening to the the kind of statements Pervez Musharraf gives, and the number of times Kashmir is mentioned in them, he had no doubt that they shared the same DNA.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby member_28803 » 23 Oct 2014 02:42

Pretty long, nothing new that we don't know about. Basically an attempt to paint TSP as an equal victim of terrorism. Our mani shankar aiyar sahab made a better case for bakiland than the bakis themselves.

Watch at 50:00-51:00 see how he mocks Mr Swamy. No sense of presenting a unified face when talking with foreign entities. Modern day mir jafars, f--- disgusting.

So 2 panelists from Afghanistan, 3 from bakiland and only 1 from India

Afghanistan-India-Pakistan Debate on Terrorism [ENGLISH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0it4SAGAcU

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Karan M » 23 Oct 2014 03:24

Dipanker wrote:
Anujan wrote:Mush has given an interview in India today that Modi is anti muslim, anti Pakistan (well he is PM of India, not sure why he should be pro-Pakistan. Must be the small cold hindu heart) and Pakistan can defeat India conventionally (like how they did at Kargil, I presume).

Why are such clowns being interviewed at all?


The DDM sure knows how to score self goal. There is absolutely no need for this Paki propaganda on Indian airwaves.


Aroon puri seems to have become the next MMS. In love with his Pakistani roots.

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Postby Karan M » 23 Oct 2014 03:52

Perhaps he should be asked to return there

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Postby khan » 23 Oct 2014 04:47

Peregrine wrote:Methinks that ABS had far more Cash - both Cwapistani & Foreign currency - as well as Gold and must have SQUIRRELED his "Stash" in different parts of his House or other "Secure" Location. Thus he has replaced a similar amount as he has alleged the "Bandits" have taken. There is no way that Cwapistani "Dakus" will return the Money as we all know the capabilities of the Cwapistani Puls!

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My guess it money was never stolen. He just wanted to get in the news for a little while. Him being a paki - thats all they know. Probably thinks he deserves the Nobel prize not Malala Yousafzai.

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Postby Amber G. » 23 Oct 2014 06:33

khan wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Methinks that ABS had far more Cash - both Cwapistani & Foreign currency - as well as Gold and must have SQUIRRELED his "Stash" in different parts of his House or other "Secure" Location. Thus he has replaced a similar amount as he has alleged the "Bandits" have taken. There is no way that Cwapistani "Dakus" will return the Money as we all know the capabilities of the Cwapistani Puls!

Cheers Image


My guess it money was never stolen. He just wanted to get in the news for a little while. Him being a paki - thats all they know. Probably thinks he deserves the Nobel prize not Malala Yousafzai.


Stating the obvious, the whole article, from the fakenews, though obviously made-up was quite funny.

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Postby kancha » 23 Oct 2014 08:02

johneeG wrote:
Cheen is bloated way beyond its actual size. It seems to me that the original size of cheen was:


FWIW
A 1932 US map of China

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Postby kancha » 23 Oct 2014 08:11

Jhujar wrote:Paki are worried about India's economic welfare

India damaging its economy by provocative firing: PML-Q (PML= Paki Maa...)
QUETTA – Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q) central leader and former provincial minister Mareez Ruqayia Saeed Hashmi has said that Indian government is damaging its own economy by provocative and unjustified firing at Pakistani territory. :roll: In a statement issued here on Tuesday, she strongly condemned Indian firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas which caused heavy loss of life and property. She said that presently, by-elections were being held in several states of India and the incumbent Indian government has started firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win these by-polls.“The Bhartia Janta Party-led government has been exploiting emotions and feelings of voters by firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win by-polls in different states,” she said. [b]


Did she just imply that the Indian public opinion is for destroying Pakistan! :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Pratyush » 23 Oct 2014 08:32

The Indian public opinion in not for destroying Pakistan. If we destroy Pakistan. Then where we will do our inner Jihad. :(( :((

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Postby shiv » 23 Oct 2014 08:42

Pratyush wrote:The Indian public opinion in not for destroying Pakistan. If we destroy Pakistan. Then where we will do our inner Jihad. :(( :((

If fact we need more Pakistans, considering the number of Indians who need to do open air defecation.

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Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2014 08:46

TTP Splintering - Editorial, DT
Wide cracks seem to be appearing in the once impenetrable facade of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). According to reports, the spokesman of the TTP, Shahidullah Shahid, has been unceremoniously booted out of the terror organisation for his remarks pledging allegiance to the caliph of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Just to clarify, the TTP has always pledged its loyalty and devotion to the leader of the Afghan Taliban, Mullah Omar. The fact that Shahidullah Shahid and five other leaders had the gall to deviate from the TTP’s oath is quite telling of the fact that all is not well within the militant organisation. Since the death of Hakeemullah Mehsud, the bloodthirsty leader of the TTP in a drone strike last year, the TTP has been seeing an exodus of some of its commanders and leaders of different cells going off to form splinter groups such as the Jamaatul Ahrar. The chinks in the TTP’s armour have been growing and this latest piece of news is not therefore too surprising.

ISIS has been in the media spotlight for a few months now for its savagery and successive victories in conquering territory in Syria and Iraq. This has made it a natural magnet for terror groups in many parts of the world looking to get in on the ISIS’s ‘glory’. Some members in the TTP are no different. That is why the leadership of the TTP — its leader Mullah Fazlullah is comfortably nestled in Afghanistan — has taken a harsh stand against Shahidullah Shahid’s public allegiance to Baghdahi instead of Omar. This is a good development for those who wish to see the menace of the TTP rooted out. The fact that the TTP is fracturing because of differences in its ranks augurs well for us, seeing that the militants are also being pounded by the Pakistan army during Operation Zarb-e-Azb still raging on in North Waziristan. Getting a beating at both ends will serve to push them further against the wall.

However, one word of caution. The Pakistan army needs to make sure that these operations — Zarb-e-Azb is now being followed by Operation Khyber-I — are not just piecemeal measures. The exodus of people that is beginning from Bara, Khyber Agency, will add to the devastating internally displaced persons (IDP) situation at hand. While Lashkar-e-Islam militants are compelling people there to stay because they need human shields, there is no hiding the fact that the IDPs need our protection and the militants are getting desperate. We cannot afford any complacency now that the militants are splintering. It is time to redouble efforts and annihilate them while the iron is hot.

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Postby Dipanker » 23 Oct 2014 09:43

Meanwhile back at the farm the open season on the Hazaras continue...

Eight Hazaras gunned down in Quetta bus attack

QUETTA: Unidentified armed men killed eight members of the ethnic Hazara community in the Hazar Ganji area of Quetta, the capital of the volatile Balochistan province, on Thursday morning.

Imran Qureshi, a senior police officer told Dawn that the armed men opened fire at a Mazda bus and killed eight members of the Hazara community. He said one person was severely injured in the attack.

"The assailants sprayed bullets over the bus and managed to escape unhurt from the spot," Qureshi said.

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Postby Vikas » 23 Oct 2014 12:36

Is this a message to Brother Islamic mulk of Iran due to Iranian raid inside Paki borders few days back.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Mahendra » 23 Oct 2014 13:05

Dipanker wrote:Meanwhile back at the farm the open season on the Hazaras continue...

Eight Hazaras gunned down in Quetta bus attack

QUETTA: Unidentified armed men killed eight members of the ethnic Hazara community in the Hazar Ganji area of Quetta, the capital of the volatile Balochistan province, on Thursday morning.

Imran Qureshi, a senior police officer told Dawn that the armed men opened fire at a Mazda bus and killed eight members of the Hazara community. He said one person was severely injured in the attack.

"The assailants sprayed bullets over the bus and managed to escape unhurt
from the spot," Qureshi said.


Were the assailants expected to be hurt by the bus conductor's Qalandar consciousness ?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2014 14:23

VikasRaina wrote:Is this a message to Brother Islamic mulk of Iran due to Iranian raid inside Paki borders few days back.

I do not know. Killing Shi'a is a work-in-progress for the last 67 years. It is also a national pastime. This is also a sort of initiation ceremony for the new recruits. It could well be a retaliation as well, but it is difficult to say because killing a Shi'a or an Ahmedi does not need any particular reason in Pakistan.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby CRamS » 23 Oct 2014 19:09

A_GuptaJi,

Regarding exposing Mush, no saar, I beg to differ. I know people will think I am making an elitist statement, but IMO, certain foreign policy decisions are best left to the experts. You will be surprised as to how many people in India will fall for Mush's crap, and MMS-4 point formula. Now, if aam junta, and I mean even so called educated ones with a college degree had tiny tiny fraction of your IQ and ability to sift truth from blather, I would have no problem. Furthermore, if MushRat were exposed as a vile terrorist that he, then also I have no problem. But if he is given a podium to spread his lies and filth without being challenged and cut off by DDM, it is a very bad idea.

Also, A-GuptaJi, I watched that AfPak India discussion on terrorism that was posted. See once again the Paki RAPE filth was allowed a podium to let loose their lies with a straight face. And you had our cowards like MSA siding with them. Tell me sir, who in India listening to that RAPE filth can see through their lies? Also, they quoted Chuck Hagel b@stard who accused India of terror (you actually posted the link to his speech somewhere), did anybody challenge those punks on that? And that Paki air force general with a straight face say that TSP is the inocent victim while everybody else is to blame. Only guns and bullets are needed to deal with such scum.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Ambar » 23 Oct 2014 19:43

SSridhar wrote:TTP Splintering - Editorial, DT


As we've witnessed many times over the past 67 years, Pakistan seems to have yet again snatched life from the mouth of death. TTP has splintered and is most likely a spent force. The sarkari talibs are rubbing their palms waiting for US withdrawl so they can retake Kabul. AQ has fizzled after their chief met his 72 at the hands of Amerikis. Other renegade jihadis seem to have made some peace with TSPA.

It will be interesting to see what will the next catalyst be in Pakistan which will once again take it to the brink. They've had some event every decade which turned their country upside-down. I sense the next one will be through financial turmoil and rapid currency devaluation.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Dipanker » 23 Oct 2014 20:29

^US leaving behind around 10,000 soldiers is a real dampener for Paki's wet dream of strategic depth. The Sarkari Talebans may continue in the same vane, but will never quite be able to dominate and regain complete control as long as ANA is willing to fight them and are duly supported by the Americans. This is going to be a case of KLPD for Pakis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Oct 2014 20:45

Ambar wrote:
SSridhar wrote:TTP Splintering - Editorial, DT


As we've witnessed many times over the past 67 years, Pakistan seems to have yet again snatched life from the mouth of death. TTP has splintered and is most likely a spent force. The sarkari talibs are rubbing their palms waiting for US withdrawl so they can retake Kabul. AQ has fizzled after their chief met his 72 at the hands of Amerikis. Other renegade jihadis seem to have made some peace with TSPA.

It will be interesting to see what will the next catalyst be in Pakistan which will once again take it to the brink. They've had some event every decade which turned their country upside-down. I sense the next one will be through financial turmoil and rapid currency devaluation.


Don't put away the popcorn just yet.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... sis-pledge

Although the TTP disarray and loss of its North Waziristan hideout have contributed to a sharp fall in terrorist attacks in Pakistan, analysts warn that the movement and its various splinter groups are anxious to prove they can still inflict serious damage.

Ehsan Ehsanullah, spokesman of the largest and most formidable new group, the TTP Jamat-ul-Ahrar, told the Guardian they were now “the real TTP” because they had been joined by so many of the Pakistani Taliban’s original founders.

And he claimed the loss of North Waziristan had not affected their fighting strength. “Before the operation in North Waziristan was launched we moved our resources and basics to safe places,” he wrote in an email exchange. “Changing headquarters does not change ideologies, strategies and the desire to ruin the enemies.”


PS: from the comments of the Guardian article:
This does not really frighten anyone. TTP has operated from day one with the support of the Pakistan Army and ISI. It is anybody’s guess what the Pakistan Army’s operations in North Waziristan were designed to achieve. It may or may not be accurate to say that the operation killed 1,500 terrorists (lovingly described as militants). It is being said that TTP Jamat-ul-Ahrar moved away its “resources and basics” before the operations. This leads one to think what we heard rather vaguely, that the operation was eye-wash and that Taliban in North Waziristan had been duly warned by the Army of the impending strikes, which enabled them to move their “resources and basics”. So, then, who were the 1,500 that the Army killed? We may not get answer to that question. It also means that TTP in the main may not have been so affected either by the Army operations or by the rise of IS in Iraq-Syria. Someone should tell us who really were targets of the Army’s operations and who indeed were killed. Can we expect answers? V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, 23 Oct 2014, 1100 IST

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Anujan » 23 Oct 2014 21:37

Through money and force Pakistan army has coerced parts of the pakiban to fight against Afghans. The splinter groups are those who oppose this direction. This is actually a credible (short term) victory for Pakistan army and ISI to splinter the TTP and reorient them to government approved jihad. This is not a big development though. If you are willing to displace 3 million of your own people and flatten their houses, you can do this too.

A series of low level tensions will keep simmering. Small groups will pull off one or two attacks now and then. The next phase to watch for is afghan reply to Taliban efforts after NATO withdrawal. Pakistan defense attaché has made it very clear that Pakistan would like to have a role for Taliban in Afghan government. Taliban is not used to power sharing so everyone knows what the end game would be. It is either Taliban takes over completely or Afghanistan splits and pashtun areas are autonomous and controlled by the pakiban.

BTW: Maulana Diesel was attacked and escaped the attempt. http://tribune.com.pk/story/779948/casu ... in-quetta/

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Ambar » 23 Oct 2014 22:13

At the end of the day, it is all about money. Those who control territory will make money. Both sarkari and private sector jihadis are in it for money and power, ideologies be damned. The splintering leads to loss in territories and loss in revenues. Cadres cannot be paid, bums cannot be made and there is the overhead of holding on to what you have from your enemies. I would be surprised if the left over TTP ever poses a serious threat to TSPA again. The only way that is possible is (1) They consolidate many groups into one and (2) Have some guarantee from the afghan taliban that their sanctuaries in afghanistan will remain post 2015. In all likelihood Pakistan will go back the 90s style of political dramas, shia/ahmedi culling, plenty of street crime, random attacks and a depleted economy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Prem » 23 Oct 2014 23:05

Two killed as JUI-F chief Fazlur Rehman escapes suicide attack in Quetta
Paki Zelebrate Diwali

QUETTA: At least two people were killed and dozens injured Thursday when a suspected suicide bomber detonated his explosives outside a Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) rally in Quetta, police said.JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman remained unhurt in the attack, which targeted his bullet-proof vehicle.Banned militant group Jundallah has claimed responsibility for the attack.Eyewitnesses said the blast took place as thousands of JUI-F supporters left the venue at the end of the rally, which was held in honour of Mufti Mehmood at the Sadiq Shaheed stadium.Inspector General Police Muhammad Amlaish Khan told Dawn that the suicide bomber tried to climb over the vehicle of Maulana Fazlur Rehman."The bomber blew himself up when he failed to climb the vehicle and was stopped by JUI workers,” he said.He said that owing to strict security measures, the suicide bomber failed to enter into the venue of the public meeting.According to the bomb disposal squad, six to eight kilogram explosives were used in the attack. Police took body parts of the suicide bomber into their possession as investigation into the incident went underway.According to reports from hospitals, two people – who were said to be JUI-F workers – were confirmed dead while up to 30 people were wounded in the attack.The injured were shifted to Civil Hospital, where six were said to be in critical condition.Speaking to a private TV channel, JUI-F chief Fazlur Rehman said that the blast targeted his vehicle as he was departing from the venue of the rally. He said that he and his colleagues survived the attack as they were riding in a bullet-proof vehicle.“My car was badly damaged, almost destroyed. The windscreen of my car was completely cracked, we received a big shock but me and friends inside the car are safe and alive,“ he said

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Prem » 23 Oct 2014 23:21

http://www.dawn.com/news/1139687/heights-of-simla
Heights of Simla

Signing it, both Mrs Gandhi and Mr Bhutto understood that Pakistan had conceded that the Line of Ceasefire had hardened into the Line of Control and that the undertaking to “settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations” precluded any reference to third parties, particularly the United Nations.According to P.N. Dhar (secretary to Mrs Gandhi), “When Mrs Gandhi, after recounting their points of agreement, finally asked Bhutto, ‘Is this the understanding on which we will proceed?’, he replied: ‘Absolutely, ‘aap mujh par bharosa keejiye [you can trust me.]’
Each subsequent Indian and Pakistani government has chosen to treat that clause as a malleable Rubik’s cube, rotating it to yield different patterns of meaning. The Lahore Declaration has fared no better. Its clause — that both countries “shall intensify their efforts to resolve all issues, including the issue of Jammu and Kashmir” — has given licence to numerous interpretations. Some political cynics assert that cross-border sniping is hoping to do just that.The sanctity of all international protocols is underwritten by an enduring commitment to execute them, regardless of change in national governments. It is precisely because Nawaz Sharif was a signatory to the Lahore Declaration (and by association the seminal Simla Agreement) and because he was involved directly in letter, in body and in spirit, that the Indian government finds his recent speech at the UN General Assembly so discordant.
Advisor Sartaj Aziz went a step further. He contacted UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and asked him to retrieve the dust-laden UN Resolution 47/1948, which called for a plebiscite in Jammu & Kashmir. Realists would give this appeal as much a chance of success as the South Korean Ban Ki-moon being able to reunify the two Koreas.Mr Sharif’s volte-face at the UN took place after his avuncular trip to New Delhi to attend Narendra Modi’s swearing-in ceremony. It has been perceived in India as an almost Kargil-style betrayal of the bonhomie generated by his earlier heart-warming gesture.
Five months have passed. Much has happened since. Mr Sharif has been beleaguered by demands from his opponents at home to resign, while Mr Modi has received an invigorating mandate in the state elections in Maharashtra and in Haryana.Mr Modi’s next steps at diplomacy are of vital significance to Pakistan. Extremists have been heard on Indian television channels demanding that Mr Modi should rescue the ‘oppressed people of Balochistan and Sindh’ from their brutal ‘masters’. Gen Musharraf was dismissed by one rabid anchorman as being a ‘coward’ for not answering yet another question about Kargil. And most frighteningly, voices that were once regarded as pro-Pakistan moderates are being denounced now as anti-Indian.There is a sinister echo of a 1971 jingoism in the air. Saner ears prefer to recall the Simla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration. They spoke of hope, of a “durable peace and development”, to enable both peoples “to devote their energies for a better future”.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Paul » 23 Oct 2014 23:33

Pakis asking US for LGBs per TimesNow


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