Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Anujan » 05 Nov 2014 07:55

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/840/7435.htm

Textbooks In Pakistani Government Schools Teaching Hate Against Christians And Hindus, Jihad And Martyrdom To Young Students
By: Tufail Ahmad

Study By Pakistani NGO: Textbooks Teaching Jihad And Martyrdom To Primary School Children Include Desired Learning Outcomes Such As: "Must Be Aware Of The Blessings Of Jihad, And Must Create Yearning For Jihad In His Heart"; "Recognize The Importance Of Jihad In Every Sphere Of Life"

The textbooks teach: "Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam"; "The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things – Hindus did not respect women"; "Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time"; "In our mosques, on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together." {Hakeem's favorite quote :mrgreen: }

In Social Studies for Grade 8, a lesson on the ideology of Pakistan teaches: "Hindu racists" want to destroy the Muslims as well as other nations (Pages 103-104); every Hindu violated the rights of Muslims (Page 115); Hindus habitually deceived Muslims and similar anti-Hindu references run throughout the book (Pages 107-109, 111-112, 115-116). A lesson on the existence of Pakistan notes: Hindus and Sikhs started bloodshed on large scale against Muslims (Page 119), etc.

In Urdu for Grade 9, a lesson notes: "at one end there were frequent attacks by Christian missionaries against Islam"; Christian missionaries found it "easy and result-oriented" to target Islam and some missionaries thought that if they could defeat Muslims, there would be no other religion that could take a position against them (Page 16). In Urdu for Grade 10, students are taught: infidel practices began in the country due to the interference of Hindus in politics (Page 15); Hindus conspired to hurt Muslims and Hindus converted Muslims (Page 16); Hindus did not like the decision of the existence of Pakistan and opposed its creation (Page 17), and so on.

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Postby shiv » 05 Nov 2014 08:11

manjgu wrote:shiv .i think this pic is a bit dated..IIRC there was a viewing gallery on the P side as well...


You're right. Google earth shows an excellent gallery in shitland. I wonder whether they charge people for viewing?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby gandharva » 05 Nov 2014 08:11

Wagah bombers vow ‘revenge’ against PM Narendra Modi


http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... 9D0OL.dpuf

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Postby RSoami » 05 Nov 2014 09:29

^^ So WKKs arent the only ones who do equal equal. Even terrorists do.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 05 Nov 2014 09:36

sanjaykumar wrote:But then, the respected corps commander of the Pakistani army corps in Lahore, General Naveed Zaman (an outstanding officer, himself on the Taliban’s hit list for his role in various anti-terrorist operations) made a statement and beat his chest a bit about how we are a brave nation, we are back the next day and “look, on the Indian side it’s like a snake has sniffed them”, the implication being, they are cowards, they didn’t show up, but look at us, we are back and we are strong.




Holy a$$ smoke Batman!

I hope that we will use the attack as an excuse to completely cancel the parade tamasha. You know, safety of the people and all that.

We should give pakis this symbolic h&d victory and keep our powder dry for the real fight.

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Postby rsingh » 05 Nov 2014 12:32

Vivasvat wrote:Modi baffles scientists
:rotfl:


Lahore via Quwait, this is a keeper. Perfect Benis material. Admin blease to make it sticky. Harami lost half of country,lost all wars but still do scientific research on Banias. :rotfl:

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Postby pankajs » 05 Nov 2014 12:50

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 041397.cms

Was a Pakistani army insider the Wagah suicide bomber?
NEW DELHI: A civilian with the Pakistan army, who was posted close to Wagah border and missing for the past few months, may have played a key role in Sunday's suicide attack that killed over 60 people, investigators suspect. The indication comes even as it emerges that an alert issued by Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) in early October was unusually sharp on the coming attack.

As investigations pick up the threads of the deadly attack, indications are that a civilian employed with a signal unit of the Pakistan army may have had a key role. The employee, posted with a unit deployed close to the Wagah border, had gone missing in June this year.

The civilian, believed to be in his early 20s, was either the suicide bomber, or played a crucial role in orchestrating the attack, investigators suspect.

Even as investigations progress into the deadly attack, it emerges that RAW had issued an unusually specific intelligence alert two weeks earlier about a possible terror attack on Wagah.

In its communication to various senior officials, including the PMO, RAW said suicide terrorists had already reached Lahore for a possible attack in Wagah. In the wake of the alert, the Indian security agencies at Wagah had held meetings, and stepped up security at the gate.

It is not clear if RAW shared the alert with Pakistan. "Our agencies do receive and issue several such alerts every month, and many of them may also have some references to other countries. So it is not expected of them to share with any other country," said one senior official.

It now emerges that the first time Wagah's flag-lowering ceremony came under the scanner of terror outfits was possibly sometime last year. In summer of 2013, the US agencies are believed to have alerted the Indian establishment that the terrorists may target the boisterous ceremony at the India-Pakistan border.

The Indian security establishment believes that the attack was the handiwork of one of the Taliban factions in Pakistan. At least three different groups have separately claimed responsibility- Al-Qaeda affiliate Jundullah, and two splinter groups of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan — Jamaat-ul-Ahrar and Mahar Mehsud.

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Postby shiv » 05 Nov 2014 13:50

rsingh wrote:
Vivasvat wrote:Modi baffles scientists
:rotfl:


Lahore via Quwait, this is a keeper. Perfect Benis material. Admin blease to make it sticky. Harami lost half of country,lost all wars but still do scientific research on Banias. :rotfl:

The article is, of course, wholly tongue-in-cheek.


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Postby pankajs » 05 Nov 2014 19:40

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 567884.ece
Nawaz Sharif vows end of polio in 6 months

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Postby shiv » 05 Nov 2014 19:44

pankajs wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/nawaz-sharif-vows-end-of-polio-in-6-months/article6567884.ece
Nawaz Sharif vows end of polio in 6 months

Please excuse me folks, but I cannot resist this. I have to let it out. If you stick a flute up your ass and fart, it will produce a note. And when it produces a note you can say that you will play an entire concerto in 6 months. But no. It is just a fart.

Nawaz Sharif will see more polio in 6 months.

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Postby CRamS » 05 Nov 2014 19:50

Guys, as was asked earlier, what would it take to end that shameful, colonial, equal equal crackpot Wagah BS that goes on everyday? Wouldn't ModiJi just have to issue one executive order to end that to the dustbin of history? Or is it the case that TSP, its 3.5, and the garrulous "uninterrupted and uninterruptible" WKK cowards in India etc will go berserk, "Modi leading South Asia to nuclear Armageddon" will be the deafening chorus", and hence from ModiJi's perspective, its not worth spending political capital? But other than that, surely if ModiJi wants to, he can eliminate that in a heart beat, right?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby sudhan » 05 Nov 2014 19:54

shiv wrote:Please excuse me folks, but I cannot resist this. I have to let it out. If you stick a flute up your ass and fart, it will produce a note. And when it produces a note you can say that you will play an entire concerto in 6 months. But no. It is just a fart.

Nawaz Sharif will see more polio in 6 months.


Yes saar, this fart joins exalted line of never ending farts that come out of shitland

1) Buy an unused satellite and claim that SUARCO is now ahead of ISRO
2) Claim to fix the the pawki eco-no-money in 1 year
3) Claim extreme interest shown by foreign investors in pawkistan
4) Claim to fix Pawki railway in a year
...
n) Vow the end of Polio in 6 months. (Why say six months? Might as well modify the fart to say 6 days)

The martial pawkis don't know the meaning of shame..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby gandharva » 05 Nov 2014 19:55

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Postby CRamS » 05 Nov 2014 20:01

Guys, I don't believe this crap on bit about TTP planning to attack India next. It is CIA and ISI's way of ding equal equal, and wanting India to make piss with TSP, meaning, of course "core issue"

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 82714.aspx

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby RCase » 05 Nov 2014 20:36

pankajs wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/nawaz-sharif-vows-end-of-polio-in-6-months/article6567884.ece
Nawaz Sharif vows end of polio in 6 months


If only the hope of Pakistan, Dimran Con had been made PM of naya Pakistan, polio would have been eradicated in 90 days! Could it be there was rigging in counting of Polio cases to defame Pakistan?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Shrinivasan » 05 Nov 2014 21:01

Vivasvat wrote:Modi baffles scientists :rotfl:
This is 400% BENIS material... a load of crap from morons who have been labelled scientist by a Paki DDM.

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Postby member_22733 » 05 Nov 2014 21:03

^^^Its sarcasm. Quite a decent one at that.

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Postby member_28797 » 05 Nov 2014 21:05

pankajs wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/nawaz-sharif-vows-end-of-polio-in-6-months/article6567884.ece
Nawaz Sharif vows end of polio in 6 months


yep and in 12 months he will post a baki flag on Red fort, faster than zahil hamid's popu-e-lar gazwa-e- hind :(( :(( :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Nov 2014 21:15

LokeshC wrote:^^^Its sarcasm. Quite a decent one at that.


Intriguing. Obviously the EyeEssEye has been infiltrated by PeeAref or at least the BENIS culture has spread into Baki "mainstream media". That was written from an sdre perspective!

Meanwhile, Pakistan spreads into So Virgin ity.

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Postby ArmenT » 05 Nov 2014 21:30

^^^^
Did you post the wrong link. Article doesn't have anything to do with Pakistanis (though it might have something to do with Pak!)

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Postby member_22733 » 05 Nov 2014 21:33

Pakistan == shit, virginity == Virgin Atlantic airplane. It is the right article, but completely OT :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby abhijitm » 05 Nov 2014 21:43

shiv wrote:
Vivasvat wrote:Modi baffles scientists
:rotfl:

The article is, of course, wholly tongue-in-cheek.

That too in nutty nation! Did some sdre hack their site or what?

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Postby vishvak » 06 Nov 2014 00:56


Guys watch out for these games of zombies, undead, cursed, forsaken, and so on. We still don't seem to get it still.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby saip » 06 Nov 2014 02:29

vishvak wrote:

Guys watch out for these games of zombies, undead, cursed, forsaken, and so on. We still don't seem to get it still.

Nutty nation is conducting a poll whether pakis should stop talking to hurryrats. Please go and vote yes!

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Postby Amber G. » 06 Nov 2014 05:52

A self-proclaimed business tycoon from Sialkot, Pakistan. Having no experience of business, literature, and politics, ran for Mayor in Mississauga, Canada... :rotfl:

The election flyer (shown below) of this candidate was printed in Pakistan. The flyer reads that Mr. Riazuddin has been member of chambers of commerce in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Britain, Australia, Sweden, France, Netherlands, and has served as vice president at Chamber of Commerce in Sialkot, Pakistan.

He secured far more votes than expected – a little less than one per cent of total vote. :-o :-o

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Link: How Pakistani candidates embarrass us in Canadian polls

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Anujan » 06 Nov 2014 06:19

So more details came out about the Christian couple in Lahore.

Apparently the Christian Abdul introduced a couple of (Muslim) people to work for the kiln owner, who then got into bonded laborer cesspit and the Kiln owner asked the Christian Abdul to repay him as he was the one who introduced them. The Abdul refused. So a blasphemy charge was foisted on him. A mob gathered, dragged him and his pregnant wife, thrashed them, tied them to a tractor and dragged them to the kiln. They were still alive when they were thrown into the kiln and roasted. Whats left is just a bunch of bones and some teeth.

Police abduls were present in a van nearby and didnt do a thing.

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Postby Raja Bose » 06 Nov 2014 06:20

Amber G. wrote:A self-proclaimed business tycoon from Sialkot, Pakistan. Having no experience of business, literature, and politics, ran for Mayor in Mississauga, Canada... :rotfl:

The election flyer (shown below) of this candidate was printed in Pakistan. The flyer reads that Mr. Riazuddin has been member of chambers of commerce in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Britain, Australia, Sweden, France, Netherlands, and has served as vice president at Chamber of Commerce in Sialkot, Pakistan.

He secured far more votes than expected – a little less than one per cent of total vote. :-o :-o

Link: How Pakistani candidates embarrass us in Canadian polls


From that article:

I asked one Pakistani candidate, ‘what is your manifesto?’, only to be hear this shameless reply:

‘Umm… I am jobless nowadays… I’ve heard that the councilors have handsome remuneration, so I am trying my luck there...’ :rotfl: (Jo UN mein bhikhari, woh...)


About another Pakistani candidate, the story goes that he used his decades-old picture for the election campaign. His wife ended up mistakenly voting for someone else. :shock: :shock: Can you blame her?

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Postby chetak » 06 Nov 2014 06:46

The path of the "investigation" seems to be winding it's usual dreary way to a mythical Indian door. As a culture, the pakis are delusional and permanently in denial.

Wagah blast: Various questions boggling investigators

ISLAMABAD - Although official probe into the suicide bombing at the Pakistan-India border crossing at Wagah continues, investigators are clueless about the purpose of terrorists to opt for such an unusual target.
There are important questions the investigators are focusing on. In addition to involvement of foreign hand/s, they are probing if it was a reprisal attack against Pakistan and a soft target was chosen, or whether motive of the attack was to send a message to Pakistan and nuclear rival India about terrorist threat Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are posing following the recent move to expand their operation within the South Asian region. Background discussions with security experts indicate the possibility that it could be a reaction to the militants being targeted and defeated by the security forces of Pakistan in North Waziristan and other FATA regions.
Leading defence analyst Lt General (retd) Talat Masood believes it was the reaction to the ongoing military operations in FATA. On the other hand, Dr. Hasan Askari says the security forces' focus on the Ashura threat might have made them take their eyes off the ball at Wagah.
"There was a lot of security for the Muharram processions so this place was the easiest target. Security forces have taken a lot of precautions, they are now looking for soft targets," he reckoned.
Still there are people who believe it was done by India arguing since Indian RAW was already involved in Pakistan's Balochistan it enjoyed good ties with Jundullah (the army of Allah) that also claimed responsibility of the Wagah bombing.
The concerns raised by former Interior Minister of PPP government Senator Rehman urging Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to inform the nation about Jandullah gives credence to the claim of those who believed that Wagah border suicide bombing was the handiwork of India and Jundullah.

The PPP Senator urged the government to immediately convene a joint session of parliament and share with lawmakers the information about the Jundullah militant organisation.
"The prime minister must call a joint session of parliament to disclose information about Jundullah and to tell people about it," he said in a statement which he issued to condemn the suicide bombing at Wagah border.
The Jundullah group was the first to take responsibility. It was followed by the Jamaatul Ahrar, the breakaway faction of the outlawed TTP as well as its Mahar Mehsud faction. Sources were of the view that Jundullah is actually trying to re-assert itself by claiming the responsibility with a specific purpose and that is to appease those militants being targeted by Pakistani security forces.
They believed this move aims at Jundullah's efforts to re-align itself with disbanded TTP to use it as a cover thus making it an uphill task for the investigators of Wagah border incident to come up with concrete clues about the real perpetrators.
WARNINGS
There had been intelligence reports regarding a possible terror activity in Lahore and in the light of threats the Punjab police had deployed 30 additional personnel at different check posts in the city including the one at Wagah parade ground. However, there still are threats, it has been learnt.
The deployments were made after receiving another threatening letter by the Punjab government from the Ministry of Interior three days before the Wagah attack.
In its letter, the Interior Ministry had warned the Punjab government of likely terror activity after intercepting telephone calls and SMS messages.
The sources told this scribe that Interior Ministry had issued two warning letters to Punjab government in the last week of last month and informed it that some terrorists from DAISH or from Taliban had entered Punjab and could carry out some terror activity in Lahore and other cities of the province.
In the second letter, the interior ministry had pointed out that a suicide bomber might have entered the city and asked the police to make special security arrangements for Wagah border areas, the said.
According to the details, the intelligence reports said that the terrorists might enter in the guise of Tableeghi Jamaat and might hit the congregation during the first session, November 6 to 9 or during the second session which would take place from November 13 to 16. DIG Operations Lahore Dr. Haider Ashraf confirmed while talking to this scribe that 20 additional personnel were deployed at sensitive points including the Wagah border post.
While sharing details, he said that the Wagah check post was at a distance of 2 km from the parade ground and falls under the domain of Rangers.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby khan » 06 Nov 2014 07:37

Can anyone shed any into why the Wagah bombing has got their chaddis in such a twist?

They seem to be more concerned than usual.

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Postby A_Gupta » 06 Nov 2014 07:40

The Wagah bombing probably signals the breakdown of some implicit agreement between the kabilas of Pakistan about where terror attacks are permissible. Hence the agita?

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Postby Prem » 06 Nov 2014 07:46

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... odi-muddle
Shahzad Chodhry

The Modi muddleHe seemed a man with a vision. He engendered hope a la Vajpayee, India’s prime minister in the previous BJP tenure, and it seemed Pakistan and India could pick up from where they had left in 2004. Following overt nuclearisation by both nations in 1998, not only had the two leaderships met frequently they had seemed to make considerable progress on what ailed their relationship – despite Kargil. There were loud whispers that a blueprint of sorts had been worked out on Kashmir and some of its elements were put in place under the Congress government of Manmohan Singh. A structured composite dialogue began to resolve lingering issues of major concerns to each side. Sadly, that was not to be. First came the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. The composite dialogue got disrupted permanently; all hopes of an ‘uninterrupted and uninterruptible’ dilalogue were first suspended and then trashed. As recent as August of this year when the two foreign secretaries were to finally meet again to kick-start another normalisation process, India under Modi reacted to a meeting between the Hurriyat leaders of Kashmir and Pakistan’s high commissioner in Delhi by cancelling the planned meet. LoC firings had preceded that. From January 2013 to October of that year, and then in the next round beginning in August of 2014 under Modi, the ceasefire at the LoC was perniciously violated as part of Modi’s muscular policy. Not only was the ten-year peace shattered, people were killed on both sides in a tit-for-tat display which became difficult to control with allegations of ‘the other’ being the primary violator. The connotations were far more ominous. In between somewhere, symbolic moments of a promising future in naming India the ‘Most Favoured Nation’ as per the WTO diktat was lost while the governments changed in Delhi.
What is Modi up to? A few indicators exist. With the last round of the cross-LOC barrage of firings the din from Delhi spoke of the new muscular Modi. It also mentioned red lines as India’s revised policy towards Pakistan. These would find a gradual enunciation: no talks if Pakistan spoke to Hurriyat leaders; no talks if the LoC remained active and the violations continued; and no talks if Pakistan mentions Kashmir as an issue; especially in international surroundings. It will have to be complete submission. Indian strategic community makes two more telling points, and these must be recounted: the composite dialogue began in 1997 has run its life and is no more; and second, the ceasefire agreement at the LoC too had finally exhausted its validity. Both determinations are highly dangerous for peace in South Asia. One thing is established: Modi is no Vajpayee. He remains very much a man driven by populist thought, and vain of nature. Two, his agenda derives mostly from his belief system nourished by the deeply ingrained RSS’ mode of thinking which is far-right, viciously communal and intensely anti-Pakistan. And three, Modi will establish his foreign policy credentials by flouting the blatant power of his large military in the face of Pakistan. He will also dictate to Pakistan the terms and conditions of engagement if Pakistan were to seek such an engagement.
India finds it convenient to blame Pakistan for violations in the most unlikely places (Jammu), while alleging that Pakistan uses the ruse to infiltrate militants there – the unlikeliest place for its demographic unsuitability. Both the purpose and the geography alleged by India are badly incongruous and highly insidious. This is what may actually be in play. In keeping Pakistan pushed to the wall with persistent violations, while Pakistan’s domestic political state at home is at best tenuous and its army is spread thin with intensive operations on the western border, the Modi government looks for an opportunity to establish its claim to win the upcoming elections in Kashmir. It feels that under such inattention of its competitive western neighbour it may find space to garner the minimum required 44 seats in the state legislature, possible from both Jammu and Ladakh, even if the largely Muslim Srinagar valley were not to vote in BJP’s favour. 8) In the worse case it could find electoral accommodation with another party from Srinagar ready to recommend to the centre in Delhi to abrogate Article 370 of the Indian constitution that will effectively eliminate Jammu and Kashmir’s special status and integrate it into mainland India. A process which began with the Simla Agreement of mutualising Kashmir as a bilateral issue, rather than an international dispute despite the UNSC resolutions, would obviate it as an issue at all with its legalised annexation suitably supported under a domestically triggered democratic ruse. India could then go back to the UNSC to rescind all its resolutions on Kashmir. The UN and most of the world, already wary of intervening in a bilateral dispute, in all probability will be inclined to put behind the likeliest nuclear flashpoint and may readily acquiesce in favour of an ascending India. This may seem ambitious but given the diverging trajectories of their respective value of each to the world India may simply out-manoeuvre Pakistan in gaining world’s favour.
This is what can happen as a Pakistani reaction: Pakistan may simply free itself off any binding clauses in the Simla Agreement opening Kashmir to its original status of an international dispute, now between two nuclear neighbours, with its attendant consequences. The Kashmiris themselves may not treat such cavernous treatment lightly. Prem Shankar Jha,( Only The Fuudss Of Aalla Number think of him as Intellectual) an Indian intellectual, thinks such devilish ingenuity will bring hell to earth. The region and the world would have regressed by many decades in search of a stable strategic environment for South Asia, and the onus for such commission would not be on Pakistan. Modi would have a major hand in how South Asia will look – and it won’t be pretty.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Anujan » 06 Nov 2014 07:59

Mumbai attacks "came", Kargil "Happened" but India "cancelled" talks. Look at the wording!

He, like other Pakis, talk about terror attacks like natural calamities. Earthquake happened, cyclone came etc. but they talk about India's refusal to talk to Pakistan as somehow mean, petty minded or adversarial.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby khan » 06 Nov 2014 08:03

From athe above:
One thing is established: Modi is no Vajpayee.


Something we are all grateful for. A young and rising India doesn't need any more of the pre-partition north Indian prime ministers waxing nostalgic abount refined Lahori culture.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Gagan » 06 Nov 2014 08:12

The wagah attack causes their chaddis to be in a twist because there is a loss of face for the Pakh fauj and the pak nation right at India's doorstep.
They got their a$$es handed to them, fauji and civilian alike at the place where they were showing off their martial race to the kufr.

They thought this was holy and safe for all pakis - where they and Islam would show their Johar to the kufr and hated enemy India.
Instead they were butchered like pigs.

And it is right in the outskirts of Punjab Central - Lawhore for them!!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Anujan » 06 Nov 2014 08:20

This is a long rant, please bear with me:

To his credit, Vajpayee tried to engage Pakistan and make it into a "normal" country. Afghan Jihad had ended. A decade after terrorism in JK started, it was clear that Pakistan couldnt win. Both countries becoming nuclear and developing missiles indicated that we werent going to have big land invasions anymore. At that time, Pakistan was facing huge economic challenges with IMF programs etc, aid from the US had dried up. India was beginning to reap the results of economic liberalization and it was clear that Indian and Chinese economy were beginning to diverge. They were comparable in the decades till then, but china was hitting an inflection point of exponential growth.

What would you do under these circumstances?

Vajpayee did the right thing, but had the wrong assumptions. He assumed that Pakistan can be dissuaded from the path of terrorism under the cover of nuclear umbrella. I remember reading articles about how democracy in Pakistan is going to flourish and power of army is going to wane - Nawaz had handpicked Musharraf for his loyalty. Peace with Pakistan has to start at some point* (I will come to this later), and thats what Vajpayee did. In the subsequent decade and a half though 3 things have happened:
1. Pakistan has perfected a new way of conducting terrorism on one hand, while scaring everyone with its nukes to prevent retaliation
2. Army has taken a tighter hold of terrorists, and let them establish base in the heartland of Pakistan. It is not the madrassas of FATA training Jihadis anymore, it is mosques in Pakjab radicalizing abduls
3. Army has become more adept at "managing" the civilians.

I'd argue that the conditions now are worse than what happened during Vajpayee's time. So whatever GOI is doing now, is the right response.

Coming back to "Peace with Pakistan". I am no dove vis-a-vis Pakistan, but lets have this mental exercise:

Under what condition is peace with Pakistan possible? The answer of course cannot be "never", there should be some set of conditions right? Like they all convert to Buddhism, write a pacifist constitution, disband their army. Well thats one of the conditions under which peace is possible. But there are less radical "starting points". What might a "starting point" be?

Think about it this way: We think of Bangladesh as an irritant. We view terrorism from Bangladesh as a law and order problem and not an existential struggle. I personally think that India (and west bengal) could have been extra nice to Bangladesh unilaterally in return for winning hearts and minds there. Yes, we give up some waters do a few things where Bangladesh benefits more, but in return we have a peaceful and prosperous neighbour where China and Pakistan cannot fish in troubled waters. But all the same we dont view Bangladesh the same way as we view Pakistan.

Why arent we viewing Bangladesh the same way as Pakistan? It is because Bangladesh can still be redeemed. They can get themselves educated, Industrialize, integrate with India on trade and energy and prosper. If Pakistan becomes like how Bangladesh is now, is that the right set of conditions for peace process with Pakistan? I would argue yes. During Vajpayee's time this was the thinking: That Pakistan then was like Bangladesh now. A treaty, increased trade, more cooperation can bring them into mainstream and we could work for mutual benefit.

But Pakistan being Pakistan strapped a soosai vest and yelled Jiiiihaaaaaaddddd!!!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby shiv » 06 Nov 2014 08:59

^^
Pakistan today is somewhat like it was before the Bangladesh war. There is a civil war in progress in two provinces but the people donot have the numerical strength that Bangladeshis had and refugees are all internal refugees, with non coming into India. Furthermore Pakistan has told India in no uncertain terms that they will use nukes if ever India interferes as happened in 1971.

Pakistan is determined to fail or succeed on its own. I don't get the feeling that it is succeeding.

A nation state must achieve some control over law and order within. That control has not been achieved. During the height of the civil war in Sri Lanka - it used to look a bit like Pakistan now - ie with terrorist attacks in many parts of Sri Lanka while a civil was was in progress. But the Sri Lankan civil war was geographically more "winnable" just as Bangladesh was Pakistan's to lose.

I think we on BRF really started "studying" Pakistan after Kargil and the parliament attack. My own BRF aided research probably started in the 2002-3 period and the ebook went online around 2007 - and we have now been looking at Pakistan for 10 years.

What has changed in 10 years?
1. Pakistan population has risen by 40 million - an increase of 30% over the figure a decade ago
2. The Pakistani economy has survived largely on handouts and bailouts
3. Pakistan's international reputation now is far worse that it was 10 years ago
4. Pakistani human development statistics like literacy have not kept pace with the rise in population. In fact Pakistan is sliding when it comes to indicators of control - like the campaign against polio.

Pakistan is heading towards being one seething mass of humanity - of young people in their teens and twenties who are loking either to migrate for jobs or looking towards violence. There will be increasing violence in Pakistan. But the power that be in Pakistan will look increasingly at exporting that terror for extremist Islamic causes.

We are entering a troubled phase. Many Pakistanis will have to die. Maybe the country will have to split again. We have to be ready to hit out and hit hard at Pakistani targets that are built to create trouble in India. If luck is on our side the US will not keep on arming and funding the Pakistan army as it has done for many decades.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Prem » 06 Nov 2014 09:14

Peace will come when Paki will realize their Nukes are of no use in persuading India. Begging, beseeching, bragging , bemoaning ,barking ,bewakoof behavior , none of them is working for Bakistan.
Let them froth and float like foam on pee , trying to put strain on the spot. Eventually they will dry and die if they dont come to their senses. There are none of the good options left for them on the path of collective suicide. Lets see if they want to kiss goodbye to their children and other kith and kins in hope and try of getting K under their control.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby shiv » 06 Nov 2014 09:15

It may be time for us to start ignoring the English language articles coming out of Pakistan. They are not telling us the truth and things are becoming surreal in which there is a genuinely satirical and humorous article (Modi Baffles Scientists) in an ostensibly serious paper, along with a pretence in Paki English media that all is well. The Pakistani English media are living in a dream and publishing what they want others to think about Pakistan. And since the Paki english media is our main way of seeing Pakistan - we believe that to be representative. I think we need to turn away from the English media and most of the Paki mainstream media in fact to see what is happening inside Pakistan.

I do think we spend too much effort celebrating what is funny about Pakistan. People like Lal Topi and their delusions are actually funny (for some) - but the funny stuff really should go into Benis. The fact that a lot of mainstream stuff looks like benis content shows how dysfunctional Pakistan has become. The bluff and bluster are everywhere in the media - the pretence that terrorism is either non existent or sponsored by India. The denial of sectarian killing. The complete inability to stop the killing of non Muslims. The constant updates that 800, no 1000, no 1600 terrorists have been killed in Nazm e ZamZam - with not a single image. There are reports of thousands of internally displaced persons - no news of that. Only denial. In a les dysfunctional state the media would head out and interview the displaced people - but not in Pakistan. The media are under threat of death.

Basically, the Pakistani media are not a reliable source of information about what is happening inside Pakistan. We need to rely on indirect reports or reports tcked away somewhere to see what else is being reported.

I think Pakistan may be in far worse shape than is being shown in public. Watch this space.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

Postby Prem » 06 Nov 2014 09:26

Right now they are in Denial mode that Modi will keep slapping them for their every little ideological itch . This too shall pass in a year or so when , like i said, they settle down like Foam on Camel Pee. Equal equal is the life line for both their politicians and army as well Gass for Poaqanwars . The whim is now being shattered and they are going crazy like Cockroach without antennas.


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