Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

[SSridhar]

The Shaheen 2 range was claimed to be 2500 kms by Samar Moorkh-mand.

So, from 2500, it became 2000 and now it is 1500?

[Comer]

^^ am not good at relativity concepts, but my guess is shaheen 2 is increasingly approaching the speed of light. Djinn physicists can confirm if this is true.

[habal]

ATC declares Imran Khan, Qadri as absconders - DAWN

Padri, I know, has run away after taking money. But, Imran, the brave mard that he is with that swagger, was very much in town, I thought. Why is he an absconder?

Imran has announced another sit-in on Nov 30 where he has promised to replicate 'tahrir square' in Pakistan. This is perhaps an insurance against that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfvboet3X3M

[A_Gupta]

^^^ Pakistan has invented the idea of PPP kilometers and exchange rate kilometers?

[sudhan]

Its interesting how the Paki missiles immediately acquire capabilities to counter technological advancements made by India.. (as per Paki media dictated of course by ISPR)

1. Range 2500 kms! Bangalore city situated in Kerala is within reach!
2. Range extended!! AoA! All Indian cities well within reach!
3. Has advanced guidance systems incorporated, allows the warhead to outmaneuver BMD systems deployed in the immediate region. AoA!
4. Compatriot of American Pershing missile!
5. Travels at Scramjet speed can beat ABM systems!

Shitistan fast becoming Sooth asia's North Korea.. Echandee and posturing is everything!

[Brad Goodman]

The Shaheen 2 range was claimed to be 2500 kms by Samar Moorkh-mand.

So, from 2500, it became 2000 and now it is 1500?

The way every new generation of pakis have stunted growth than the previous one, similar thing is happening to their mijjiles as well. Inshallah in few years it will come to a point where some mujahid will have to lift it from the launcher and lob it over the international border

[Brad Goodman]

what is this obsession with being the youngest nanha mujahid with microsoft certification?

Pakistan born kid becomes world’s youngest Microsoft IT specialist

Pakistani-Briton Ayan Qureshi, who has only just started going to primary school, successfully completed the assessment to become the youngest Microsoft Certified Professional on the planet.



A five-year-old kid broke the previous record of six and a half by passing the exam at the age of five years and 11 months. Microsoft’s stringent exam is normally taken by adults after they graduate from university because it was so highly regarded by employers. The school kid from Coventry almost missed out on the chance to write the test after shocked invigilators thought he was too young to take the exam that is meant for adults after they graduate from university.

Officials from Birmingham University called Microsoft’s American headquarters to check if he was allowed to write the exam. The five-year-old completed the test well within the time limit of two hours, The Mirror reported. In doing so he has set a new world record for the youngest person ever to pass a Microsoft exam - at the age of five years and 11 months, beating the previous record held by six-year-old Mehroz Yawar, also from Pakistan.

Ayan, who was born in Lahore, before his family moved to London in 2009, lives in Coventry with three-year-old brother Rayn, his father Asim Qureshi and mother Mamoona

[jrjrao]

Why write anything when you can better sing it in a song:

PTI will not allow police to arrest Imran, says Pyaari

[jamwal]

If I get this right, this exam is just a test for computer usage skills like installing a printer, removing software etc. Anyone who can operate a computer can clear it and get a Microsoft certificate for H&D purposes.

To get the actual certification, one has to clear 4 and 7 exams to get the proper cerficate. These dumbasses get some kid to do this and claim it like a achievement for Crapistan. Going by their past record, it will turn up another water car and another "youngest" campooturr wizard in the world from Crapistan.

[arun]

The Shaheen 2 range was claimed to be 2500 kms by Samar Moorkh-mand.

So, from 2500, it became 2000 and now it is 1500?

If you applied the Lt. Gen. Talat Masood (Retd.) hypothesis, propounded in April 2012 when the Shaheen IA was test fired, then the range the Shaheen-II missile could “rocket” back to 3,000 km , way beyond ISPR’s 2008 and 2014 range claims besides exceeding Dr. Samar Mubarakmand’s range claims.

“Authorities have not described the missile's exact range but this is perhaps the longest-range missile in Pakistan's nuclear programme. An intermediate-range missile is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 2,500 to 3,000km,” said Talat Masood, a defence analyst.

TOI

Do bear in mind the Press Releases of the Nov 13 test launch released by the “Official” mouth piece of the Uniformed Jihadis of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the ISPR, refers to the Shaheen 2 as an “Intermediate Range” “Ballistic Missile”.

ISPR Press Release

Anybody pointing out that the 2008 ISPR Press release described the Shaheen-II as a “long range Surface to Surface Ballistic Missile”, is a Hindu Agent aided and abetted by Jews and Christians to malign Islam and Pakistan :

Clicky

[Prem]

^^Well, in an environment where houris don't have oiseaules, a shaheed without nuts may not be considered dysfunctional!!!If you are wondering what I'm on about, kindly refer to the Ummah, where Believer 69 has this to say:http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.p ... nd-Hadiths

From the link ..

Allâh (SWT) says in the Holy Quran:
"Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions
...With Whom no man or jinn "yatmithhunna" (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them." [Sura Ar-Rahmân (55):72,74][/quote]

The lovely colorful language Confirms my suspicion that allah is a Punjabi chap of old era.Mithuna= Maithun?

[member_22872]

I Don't have membership to WSJ:
Pakistan’s Blasphemy Impasse

[RajeshA]

I Don't have membership to WSJ:
Pakistan’s Blasphemy Impasse

This may work

[Anujan]

Trick for wsj. Search headline, click on result


http://www.google.com/search?q=Pakistan ... my+Impasse

[rgsrini]

^^jrjrao
Saar, it is polite to issue a warning, whenever your link includes the scary picture of Jabba the hut. I was clearly thrown out of my seat when I clicked on the second link.

[SSridhar]

. . . kindly refer to the Ummah, where Believer 69 has this to say:http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.p ... nd-Hadiths

JEM, thanks for the educative link. From the link, I learn that the great Imam Ghazzali: Ihya Uloom Ed-Din has been somewhat like Ms. Benazir Bhutto who extended Ayub Khan's 1:10 ratio to 1:100.

[ArmenT]

what is this obsession with being the youngest nanha mujahid with microsoft certification?

Pakistan born kid becomes world’s youngest Microsoft IT specialist

Microsoft should turn it to their advantage and use it for their advertising instead:
"Microsoft Windows: So simple that even a 5-year old Paki kid can install it".

[A_Gupta]

Chinese promises to Pakistan - why is the Chinese embassy official left unnamed?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/1 ... ts-by-2017

[saip]

what is this obsession with being the youngest nanha mujahid with microsoft certification?

Pakistan born kid becomes world’s youngest Microsoft IT specialist

Microsoft should turn it to their advantage and use it for their advertising instead:
"Microsoft Windows: So simple that even a 5-year old Madrassa educated Paki kid can install it".

There you go, corrected.

[A_Gupta]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1144588/milita ... n-in-tirah

LANDI KOTAL: Militants beheaded a tribesman in public after accusing him of spying for security forces in Mehraban Kalay area of Tirah valley in Khyber Agency on Friday.

According to sources, the beheading was carried out in a market and militants ordered local people not to remove the body till evening.

[A_Gupta]

TFT nuggets from the Urdu press:

According to Nai Baat (November 2, 2014), 280 of the 2,492 students who had been sent abroad on Pakistani scholarships in the last five years have disappeared. The Education Ministry is contacting their guarantors and has initiated court cases against 100 of them. - See more at: http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/nugge ... FCEQ2.dpuf

JUI-F leaders read BRF?!???

Quoted in Nai Baat (November 4, 2014) JUI-F leader Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri says PTI leader Shireen Mazari should prove she is a woman before she speaks for women’s rights. She does not look like a woman in her appearance (waza qata). If a handful of PTI women (chaar khawateen) will protest against Maulana Fazlur Rehman, thousands of veiled women (ba parda) will protest against Imran Khan. - See more at: http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/nugge ... FCEQ2.dpuf

[Roperia]

The bad sharif is visiting US. The new Afghan leader is visiting Paki stan. There is an article in TOI that Sharif is going to tell Americans that ISIS will take over Paki stan if you don't fund us (it also mentions that Washington has already forgiven Pakistan for its transgressions). That implies US would continue to arm Pakistan (knowing fully well against whose those arms are going to be used).

I don't see any way out of this cycle but for India to grow economically/technologically (and militarily) far far beyond.

[Prem]

JUI-F leader Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidri says PTI leader Shireen Mazari should prove she is a woman before she speaks for women’s rights. She does not look like a woman in her appearance (waza qata). If a handful of PTI women (chaar khawateen) will protest against Maulana Fazlur Rehman, thousands of veiled women (ba parda) will protest against Imran Khan. - See more at: http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/nugge ... FCEQ2.dpuf

[/quote]

The confusion is caused because no man or jinn had done "yatmithhunna" ceremony with the supposed 2 legged species.

[wig]

Dacoits protest against ‘extortions’ by Pak police

Islamabad: In an unusual protest, scores of dacoits wielding arms in southern Pakistan's Sindh province took out a procession against alleged "extortions" by local police, media reported on Friday. The outlaws have a stronghold for years in Ghotki district of the province and have been looting public, Pakistan Today reported. The robbers alleged the police were depriving them of their "hard-earned" money

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141115/world.htm

[Anujan]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1144588/milita ... n-in-tirah

LANDI KOTAL: Militants beheaded a tribesman in public after accusing him of spying for security forces in Mehraban Kalay area of Tirah valley in Khyber Agency on Friday.

According to sources, the beheading was carried out in a market and militants ordered local people not to remove the body till evening.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... istan.html

Identifying targets for the lethal American drone attacks in Pakistan was always dangerous. Then al Qaeda created its own strike force to target the informants.

[Shreeman]

what is this obsession with being the youngest nanha mujahid with microsoft certification?

Pakistan born kid becomes world’s youngest Microsoft IT specialist

Microsoft should turn it to their advantage and use it for their advertising instead:
"Microsoft Windows: So simple that even a 5-year old Paki kid can install it".

People always overlook the obvious. This simply means development (intellectual and physical) is complete in bakistanis by (at most) 5 years.

No need for the western upbringing methods incompatible with shria. The reason bakistan is being held back is the retardation these western programs bring. Also, five years is legally mature age for marriage and joining the army. The potential is endless. Think of all the 5 year old malalas winning nopel prijes!

[member_20385]

omar r quraishi ‏@omar_quraishi

All ministers of Govt of Pak went to meet the Afg President during his Pak visit -- however, for meeting with Pak Army chief he went to GHQ

[arijitkm]

http://abpananda.abplive.in/internation ... GcHBoKeWYB abp ananda

ইসলামাবাদ: পুলিশি ‘তোলাবাজি’র বিরুদ্ধে রাস্তায় ডাকাতরা! এমন চমকে দেওয়া ঘটনা ঘটেছে পাকিস্তানে।সেখানে সিন্ধু প্রদেশে অস্ত্র হাতে মিছিল করেছে কয়েকশো ডাকাত। মিছিলে পিলে কাঁপানো হা রে রে রে রব ছিল না, ছিল পুলিশের বিরুদ্ধে উগরে দেওয়া ক্ষোভের সুর। তাদের ডাকাতির মালে বখরা চাইছে উর্দিধারীরাই, এহেন অভিযোগে বিক্ষোভ দেখিয়েছে ডাকাতরা।
......

^^^Armed dacoits made a protest march for alleged police extortion in Sindhu Pradesh, Pakistan

[Anujan]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 153924.cms

First it was the threat of Soviet/communism card. Then it was the al-Qaida card. Pakistan is now pulling out a new one: The ISIS card.

On the eve of the visit to the United States of Pakistan's most powerful man, army chief Raheel Sharif, the Pakistani military has fashioned a new narrative to sell to Washington in order to return to its good books and extract continued flow of military supplies and civilian aid. It is the imminent threat of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) sweeping into the nuclear-armed country that is already under siege from al-Qaida, although the alternative narrative suggests it is complicit in sheltering al-Qaida and an assortment of extremist-terrorist organizations to further its strategic and policy objectives.

If US doesnt give aid, ISIS will capture all of Pakistans nukes.

[Comer]

Reminds of Smeagol

[K Mehta]

Late post due to no internet, but this comment of mine was removed from Indian express, so posting here- Let there be more Wagahs
This article by Bruce reidel sounds like a second opinion doctor, who sees and diagnosed the disease correctly, but then goes on and says take the old medicine at higher dose. Boss that medicine didn't work the first time.
Can you kindly explain how more wagahs are going to reduce confrontation? I sincerely want to know.
Is it going to change the fact that Pakistani establishment is nurturing terrorism in the Pakistani territory? Or their hatred towards India and their desire to avenge 1971?
Or the fact that the funding and/or training and/ or terrorists and/ or arms and ammunition and/ or guidance and command comes from Pakistan when there is a terror attack in India?
I can list why we should not have more wagahs
1 Polio: Why should we risk its reentry into India after its painstaking eradication from India?
2 Lack of security: terrorist groups can attack these places and the current atmosphere in Pakistan is not suitable for this.
3 Route for entry of drugs and money as well as arms.
4 Development of alternative route: even the US is bugging out of afpak and is trying to use alternative route for transit instead of pak.
I have to also say that its Pakistan that is holding up trade, by linking Kashmir to trade and not giving MFN.

[shiv]

The Solution for Pakistan’s Problems: Become Another Iran

Maybe what Pakistan needs is more Islamization.

It is clear that Pakistan’s current state of affairs is simply unsustainable in the long-run. Pakistan’s current path of political and social development is a dead end. Although Pakistan has two main political parties that are quite moderate, these parties have failed quite spectacularly to modernize, industrialize, educate, or develop Pakistan’s society over the past six decades. While Pakistan’s military is largely to blame for retarding Pakistan’s political development, its political elite also shoulders the blame. As in India, Pakistan’s political elite is a largely Westernized group that tends to look after its own interests instead of the holistic development of its country. However, while India’s elite at least imbedded the basic constitutional principles and infrastructure in their country for India to mature, this cannot be said of Pakistan’s elite.

As a result, Pakistan, with its large population of 200 million, is rapidly heading toward failure. The education of its population is poor and even those with some education have no economic opportunities. Pakistan suffers from enormous, uncontrolled private violence, often of a sectarian nature, in the form of bombings, shootings and riots every day. Its population has also become increasingly radicalized, to the point where the line between ordinary mob violence and fundamentalist activist is becoming increasingly blurred.

The root of the problem is the fact that the Pakistani government lacks the will, capacity and legitimacy to solve Pakistan’s problems. There are too many important actors in the country that do not respect the civilian parliamentary government. With this fact in mind, the only stable political solution for Pakistan is to transform into an Iranian style Islamic state, with the obvious caveat that there will be some differences due to their different histories and the fact that Pakistan is mainly Sunni. Why this controversial solution? Pakistan has reached a point where there are so many private actors and institutions within society advocating or going about implementing some form of Islamic fundamentalism that the only way to control them is to institutionalize them.

Islamic fundamentalism is the only ideology in Pakistan’s society that is broadly acceptable to all its important players and ethnic groups as well as large swathes of the political elite and the military. Therefore, it is the only ideology that can mobilize the masses and institute acceptable modern institutions, which will deemed acceptable because they are Islamized. Although this solution will lead to Pakistan’s international isolation, this may have the effect of forging a stronger Pakistani state domestically, as the whole country struggles together. Countries like India and the United States will undoubtedly oppose this course of action but it is unlikely that Pakistanis would be so irrational as to use their nuclear weapons if such a state arises in Pakistan, because they would spell the death of their experiment. In such a scenario, the military will remain in power and in control of Pakistan’s nuclear assets; functional Pakistani institutions would not be dismantled, but merely Islamized, as in Iran after 1979. Some Pakistani liberals will of course have a problem with this solution, but they should understand that this is the surest way to Pakistan’s eventual modernization.

For a country where strong Islamist movements and tendencies to develop, it is necessary to go through a stage where these tendencies are institutionalized. Iran is the best example of this phenomenon. In Iran, the institutionalization of Islam led to Islam in the country becoming increasingly watered down, since clerics in power became worldlier. According to The Economist, the institutionalization of Islam in Iran also did more to secularize Iran than the previous regime since it mixed Islam and politics and demonstrated the drawbacks of this phenomenon. More importantly, as Iranian Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi pointed out, an Islamic state is the best way for an Islamic society to manage the transition between traditionalism and modernism. She notes, that for example, in an Islamic State, the situation for women, overall improves. Ebadi says,

In Iran, “the universities had become Islamic, dedicated to the education of women [and] girls went to class in hijabs. If the universities had been dens of sin in the Shah’s Iran, what were they now? Rehabilitated! Healthy! There was no pretext left for the patriarchs to keep their daughters out of school, and they slowly found themselves in classrooms, and away from their parents. A generation of women whose mothers had been tethered to the house found themselves in cities, reading books.”

Similar phenomena have been noted in Saudi Arabia and other rich Gulf countries, which despite the harshness of their interpretation of Islam, have produced more modern-minded women than more moderate countries like Pakistan or Egypt. In such countries, modernization is more suspect because it is seen in opposition to Islam.

Therefore, Pakistan’s way forward toward modernization and the mass mobilization of its population towards economic growth and away from violence involves the reconciliation of Islam and the state. It is only by mainstreaming aspects of extremism and Islam can violent, subversive private radicalization be tamed. When harnessed and institutionalized, such tendencies can work towards the development of society, however disagreeable, instead of undermining it. It is unlikely that this change will come in Pakistan through the victory of a territorial group such as the Taliban since this would involve its improbable victory over existing institutions like military. Rather, it is more likely that an internal political event or revolution within Pakistan will either suddenly or gradually turn it into a fundamentalist state and existing institutions will be Islamized. Though this sounds problematic, it is actually the best solution for Pakistan in the long run.

[Comer]

^^ This is calling Pakistan's bluff.
Of course you and others have been suggesting this much earlier.

[Rajagopal]

Where is the "towels" thread when you badly need one?

1) Vice-marshal of the Pakistan Air Force feels,
“Is the ship sinking?” Not yet; but we are just about there. Some compartments are flooded while some may only be partially lost. Is it a sick ship, though? And that may be a more relevant inquiry. Going by what has occurred in the past few weeks, the disease seems pervasive."
"Pakistani society stands at its weakest point in history. Below this, it must simply implode. "
"We are not only impassive, we are civilisationally dead. Our moral manhood left us a long time back."
More garama garam at: http://tribune.com.pk/story/791272/righting-our-wrongs/

2) The original ship sinking article at: http://www.dawn.com/news/1143388

Pleaze dont furget the commenst sextion

[Comer]

These guys dont have any serious opposition to implementing the Islamic rules and they want to use it has another gun to the head blackmail. To a man they are very cynical about their religion. Tsk tsk.

[sanjaykumar]

^^I am disappointed India's renewed optimism did not find mention in those articles; even so, India's balling while Pakistan's bawling.

[Tuvaluan]

Reports of the Chinese troops training Pakis on the international border in Pakistan

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... ort/868075

Chinese are raising the stakes in the region -- this activity is at the international border not the LoC and looks like the Park army is replacing the rangers at the border.

[Prem]

Army chief to visit US on Sunday
http://www.dawn.com/news/1144743/army-c ... -on-sunday

WASHINGTON: Bilateral defence ties and cooperation towards stability in Afghanistan are likely to be major subjects of discussion when top Pakistani and American military officers meet amid improving relations between the two countries.Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif, during his first visit to the United States staring on Sunday, will meet Chairman Joint Chiefs Staff General Martin Dempsey and Centcom leaders at a time of growing convergences of views between Pakistan and the United States.Officials say Gen Raheel's meetings with US counterparts will provide an opportunity to enhance bilateral military-to-military cooperation.The United States has acknowledged the efficacy of Pakistan's massive operation against militants in their former stronghold North Waziristan, with both American military leaders and experts saying the Pakistani offensive along the Afghan border has disrupted the Haqqani network – a development that has had a positive bearing on the security situation in Afghanistan.Lisa Curtis, a South Asian expert at the Heritage Foundation, told Voice of America's Urdu Service that the Pakistani operation in North Waziristan had disrupted the Afghan militants and weakened their ability to launch attacks inside Afghanistan.
At the Pentagon, commenting on Islamabad's offer to train Afghan security forces in Pakistan, spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby described Pakistan a key partner in the region.“Pakistan's a key partner in the region. Any opportunity that can be had to increase cooperation and coordination with the Pakistani military is a good thing,” he said at a recent briefing.Additionally, both Pakistan and the United States see recent escalations on the eastern border with India and the Line of Control in Kashmir as a distraction in Islamabad's high-stakes counter-terrorism offensive along the western border with Afghanistan.
‘Haqqani network sanctuary is thing of the past’Pakistan has ruled out any discrimination in its ongoing operation against militants in North Waziristan, with a military spokesman stressing that the Afghan Haqqani network having a sanctuary on the Pakistani side of the Afghan border “is a thing of the past”.“We're against terrorists, we didn't care about their human colour. This include all nationalities and all groups,” Major General Asim Bajwa said.In interviews with Voice of America's Urdu and Pashto services, Director General ISPR Bajwa said the Zarb-i-Azb offensive has eliminated hundreds of terrorists and the Pakistani forces are now engaged in clearing peripheral areas of the tribal territory as well.“The Haqqani network is history now. This is a thing of the past.The issue over TTP sanctuaries on the Afghan soil may also feature in wide-ranging security talks between American military leaders and General Raheel Sharif, who is the first Pakistani army chief to visit the United States since 2010.Meanwhile, a top American diplomat has acknowledged that there should be no militant safe havens on either side of Pakistan-Afghanistan border.According to a transcript of Feldman's remarks provided by the Pashto language service, the official said the US looks forward to discussing security ties with General Sharif, and noted that the United States has strong civilian and military relationship with Pakistan.“We really commend the operation and been very significant in countering terrorism and just want to ensure that all extremists are equally targeted – what we need to make sure is that they don't have the ability to reconstitute in Pakistan or in Afghanistan and cause a continued threat to American lives and our partners Afghan lives and for Pakistani lives.”Military Spokesman Gen Asim Bajwa told the broadcast service that no timeline has been set for conclusion of the military operation in Waziristan that started in

[SSridhar]

Reports of the Chinese troops training Pakis on the international border in Pakistan

So, the PLA deployment now extends from the extreme east in GB to the extreme west, IB in J&K.

[member_28442]

Reports of the Chinese troops training Pakis on the international border in Pakistan

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... ort/868075

Chinese are raising the stakes in the region -- this activity is at the international border not the LoC and looks like the Park army is replacing the rangers at the border.

the chinese are worried of india wanting to compete against them on the global level, hence they want to keep us pre-occupied/tied-up with the pakis