Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby g.sarkar » 13 Jan 2015 11:12

http://www.dawn.com/news/1156571
India helping terrorists in Pakistan: Khawaja Asif
Building on recent accusatory statements by government representatives, Federal Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Monday claimed that India was helping terrorist groups in Pakistan to carry out "heinous acts".
In an interview on DawnNews’s programme News Eye, the minister alleged that India "has designs on Pakistan".
“The Taliban have links with India. Also, India’s involvement in the insurgency in Balochistan cannot be ignored,” he said.
When asked to provide evidence for his claim, the minister dodged the question and proceeded to claim that a low intensity war was underway.
He stated that his allegations were based as much on conviction as on experience.......
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PS Read the comments in Yawn for a good laugh.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Anujan » 13 Jan 2015 11:34

Expect a slew of statements and articles in the Paki rags doing India--Pakistan equal equal, nuclear stability, Pakistan desires peace onlee, now that Kerry is in the region.

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Postby Kashi » 13 Jan 2015 11:48

Xpost

Sapan Kapoor on Paki express tribune rambleson Love Jihad

A Pakistani Facebook friend of mine recently confronted me following the Peshawar massacre and killings of civilians on the border by saying,

“Do you realise you have an evil government?”

“Hmm…”

“Why did you guys vote for such people?”


Note the attempted connection between Peshawar and GoI

I told the Pakistani categorically that I could not be held responsible for the possible evil deeds committed by my government. I did not vote for this government. In fact, I tried my best to stop them in my individual capacity.

Hmm..no surprises but it's quite revealing..these folks are trying to convince their masters and "higher-ups" that "Look janaab, I tried to stop Namo from coming to power, as you asked me to, despite my best efforts, the evil yeendus thwarted our plan..but please do not pull your support, I will continue to oppose them "in my individual capacity" and try and bring them down, all I need is your support and cooperation
.....

As I mentioned earlier, it is a fight between good and evil, love and hate.

No points for guessing who "evil" and "hate" refers to..likewise for "good" and "love"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby pankajs » 13 Jan 2015 12:11

Anujan wrote:Expect a slew of statements and articles in the Paki rags doing India--Pakistan equal equal, nuclear stability, Pakistan desires peace onlee, now that Kerry is in the region.
Expect the Indian MSM to pick this up as part of *Aman ka tamasha* and add to it and present it to the Indian public as threat to peace and security in the region. Expect the noise, especially on the Indian side, to keep increasing with time as the MSM feels more and more confident to take on the current dispensation. Expect the equal-equal logic to become more brazen with time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Indian MSM starts pushing the Indian *meddling* in Bakistan more forcefully than the Baki media. What we've just witnessed in the terror boat story was just the trailer for things to come.

After all Both Bakis and Indian MSM are very eager to corner this Indian government that does not endorse their *Idea of India*.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby deejay » 13 Jan 2015 12:24

Amber G. wrote:Image

Why is Sharif crying..?


कभी आता था, उनके रोने पर प्यार।
अब उनके प्यार पर रोना आता है।



:) Nice Sir.

The photo has two protagonists for an 'Isabgol' advert.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby RamSuresh » 13 Jan 2015 13:10

Why would Kerry use the term "working boundary"



"We continue to be deeply concerned by the recent spate of increased violence along the working boundary and the line of control," Kerry said, referring to a ceasefire line that has become the de facto border dividing Kashmir. -

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 06197.aspx

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby arun » 13 Jan 2015 13:47

^^^ Good Spot.

Use of terminology “working boundary” by US Secretary of State Kerry is mischievous. The term “working boundary” is a concoction of recent vintage by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for what India terms “International Border” aka “IB” that runs in Jammu & Kashmir. This is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s way of not accepting Jammu & Kashmir is an integral part of India.
India needs to strongly protest the use of the term “working boundary” by the US Secretary of State.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby krishnan » 13 Jan 2015 13:56

why use both , "working boundary" and "line of control"

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Postby member_20317 » 13 Jan 2015 14:14

Usage of both implies both are recognized as separate. Thus should be read as WB==IB and LoC is still LoC.

Probably a trial baloon for unfurling the Track 2 ground work designed to save face. Like allowing LoC to remain unchanged esp. since Umrikhans need us to remain in place between Chipak and for that some quid pro quo would be well deserved by the major non nato ally of the the greatest democracy in the GWOT.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Vikas » 13 Jan 2015 16:02

Why is DDM giving so much footage to what Sartaj ass-is has said. Have they run out of news on AK-49.
I had the misfortune of watching Goswami last night and he was hyperventilating with two Pak Army terrorists on the panel and true to their act, Paki terrorists have started narrating this new line of Indian connection with Taliban (Imagine the state of Gen Gul's stomach when he gets to hear this) while old whine of water war is no longer the flavor with ISI.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SSridhar » 13 Jan 2015 16:38

Pak-US relations - Edit, DT

Nothing ever changes in Pakistan. The above editorial is a stark reminder of that adage, "The more it changes, the more it remains the same".

Excerpt
After the US pullout from Afghanistan, Pakistan can play either a negative or a positive role. The US still needs the support of Pakistan for bringing normalcy in Afghanistan. In the wake of recent threats from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, Pakistan has attained more importance. Mr Kerry, who is widely seen as pro-Pakistan, having authored the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Act for aid to Pakistan that is now in the doldrums, will further pursue good ties with Pakistan due to its geopolitical importance. . . . The US is in dire need of Pakistan’s political, diplomatic and military help to deal with the terror groups posing a serious threat to the region’s stability. It also wants to prevent the hegemony of China while in return Islamabad looks for military and economic assistance from Washington.


The omnipresent geopolitical advantage of Pakistan. See how blatantly and arrogantly Pakistan plays its geographical card. It is entirely to Pakistan's advantage that problems persist in the region. This is one solid reason for breaking apart Pakistan.

Though successive Pakistani leaderships have always been pro-west, yet they have never been able to win the complete trust of the US. While safeguarding its own interests, the US is following a nuanced policy between India and Pakistan. Mainly two factors explain this phenomenon. First, China is in quest of attaining the status of a superpower, which the US wishes to contain. Second, the US views India favourably, both as a counterweight to the rise of China, as well as because of India’s huge emerging economy as a vast consumer market with untold business opportunities.


The whole editorial is about India and India-US relationship, not about what Pakistan needs to do to improve its own economy and security. And, purely transactional too. I do this to you and you give me military assistance to take on India. From that 1906 Mussalman delegation to Viceroy Minto, it has always been Hindu India that has been tormenting the Muslim elite of Ganga-Jamuna belt and Pakistan

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Atri » 13 Jan 2015 16:45

I for one, am happy that earlier crystalline International boundary has now become (or is in the process of becoming) "working boundary". Now we have to keep working on it westwards slowly and steadily.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Altair » 13 Jan 2015 17:08

This is definitely a welcome change to refer IB as WB. This opens up the window to reclaim entire POK. It is a far better narrative if India reclaims land across WB militarily than IB. Must have been added from BJP core think tank(read AD+NM) for Obama ji before he leaves for India to be cheap guest for Ganathantra Divas.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Jan 2015 17:10

I prefer 'LOC'. Reflects reality. What "WORKING" boundary? How can you WORK with these &^%$#?

"Line of Control" could be extended to the Durand line without being terminologically obsolescent.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby schinnas » 13 Jan 2015 17:12

arun wrote:^^^ Good Spot.

Use of terminology “working boundary” by US Secretary of State Kerry is mischievous. The term “working boundary” is a concoction of recent vintage by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for what India terms “International Border” aka “IB” that runs in Jammu & Kashmir. This is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s way of not accepting Jammu & Kashmir is an integral part of India.
India needs to strongly protest the use of the term “working boundary” by the US Secretary of State.


The reality is that US is involved with the whole world and most US politicians unless gifted with extradinary attention to details will not catch those nuances. It is a very likely case that Kerry confuses working boundary with LoC. Unless some one is familiar with the mischief pukis are playing recently by calling IB as working boundary, many would think working boundary refers to LoC.

I believe Pukis borrowed this term of working boundary from tallel than tall friends... Can any one confirm?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SSridhar » 13 Jan 2015 17:14

Parrikar warns Pak of ‘proactive steps’ - The Hindu
In a blunt message to Pakistan, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Tuesday warned that India will take “proactive steps” to deal with proxy war by that country.

He also made it clear that for any dialogue to take place, Pakistan should first stop ceasefire violation and intrusion of terrorists.

“On proxy war, the government is very clear about what is happening. We have taken a stand and though I will not like to tell you what is the exact action we are taking...you will be able to see the difference in six months in actual figures,” he told a press conference here.

“One difference is already visible because this year the number of terrorists neutralised is about almost 65 per cent, 70 per cent more than that last year,” he said.

Mr. Parrikar said, “We want peace with our neighbours, but if there is an attempt for proxy war, we will take some proactive steps. What kind of proactive steps cannot be revealed in a press conference.

“But, I can assure you that we will ensure that enemy doesn’t show any interest in proxy war or the interest comes down
,” he said.

To a question on dialogue with Pakistan, the Defence Minister said, “India’s position is very clear. The stand taken by the Ministry of External Affairs is clear. If any dialogue has to be done with Pakistan, they should first stop ceasefire violation and intrusion of terrorists.”

He said, “If it does not stop, then dialogue alone will not bring a solution. That should be very clear, intention expressed should be reflected in performance and delivery on the ground.”


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Altair » 13 Jan 2015 17:33

SSridhar wrote:Parrikar warns Pak of ‘proactive steps’ - The Hindu
In a blunt message to Pakistan, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Tuesday warned that India will take “proactive steps” to deal with proxy war by that country.

He also made it clear that for any dialogue to take place, Pakistan should first stop ceasefire violation and intrusion of terrorists.

“On proxy war, the government is very clear about what is happening. We have taken a stand and though I will not like to tell you what is the exact action we are taking...you will be able to see the difference in six months in actual figures,” he told a press conference here.

“One difference is already visible because this year the number of terrorists neutralised is about almost 65 per cent, 70 per cent more than that last year,” he said.

Mr. Parrikar said, “We want peace with our neighbours, but if there is an attempt for proxy war, we will take some proactive steps. What kind of proactive steps cannot be revealed in a press conference.

“But, I can assure you that we will ensure that enemy doesn’t show any interest in proxy war or the interest comes down
,” he said.

To a question on dialogue with Pakistan, the Defence Minister said, “India’s position is very clear. The stand taken by the Ministry of External Affairs is clear. If any dialogue has to be done with Pakistan, they should first stop ceasefire violation and intrusion of terrorists.”

He said, “If it does not stop, then dialogue alone will not bring a solution. That should be very clear, intention expressed should be reflected in performance and delivery on the ground.”



Parrikar is turning into a bad boy!! He is saying: "MC...Tu aank bhi maraa..main tera loongaa.......BC."
We have established a new baseline level to deal with Pakis. Definitely the language is exactly how it should be with them. I am told every republic day we have customary heavy arty fire across LOC. Its their way to greet us on becoming a Republic. I hope Parrikar was hinting of things being planned by us for 25th and 26th nights..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby vishvak » 13 Jan 2015 18:46

Why can't we claim PoK (which is part of India) right from LoC only. Increasing conflict will only mean throwing more rabid dogs yelling religious slogans & dreaming hoors and hoorahs in heaven.

Indians should stop playing this game of someone else doing this or that in PoJ&K, even via nomenclature, and start doing == between PoJ&K and Kashmiris. This will also result in more equal distribution of wealth for intended recipients, including Pandits.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 19:21

I remember back when Mr. Vajyapee was in power in 2001. Mr. Bush offered India to send troops to Afghanistan for some money which we promptly refused. GOI has a habit of consistently losing the tactical opportunities for strategic goals. Our own esteemed BRF members currently are blaming USA for not doing enough vis-a-vis Bakistan. GOI is the culprit as sitting and watching the tamasha in your neighborhood won't get us anywhere. India should have deployed at least 2 defensive divisions (and some Air Force squadrons) in Afghanistan in 2001, which now in 2015 would have increased to 5+ (money provided by USA).

USA has lost lots of soldiers and sooner or later they have to go back home!! It is our area and we should have been in charge!

Democrats (like Kerry) have always helped Arabians and Bakis. Republicans are more pragmatic and think of business money first!! Charging $25,000 per Indian soldier per year in Afghanistan was and a great option that we have lost!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby CRamS » 13 Jan 2015 19:33

SSridharJi, I like Parriker's statement, but am I nit picking when I say that he missed the condition on no meeting with the Harried scum. Recall, the last round of the p!ss process was put on hold to end the sepctacle of TSP maneuvering through the Harried scum to get the valley. Of course, if democratically elected PDP gets its way, this condition may not mean much.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Nandu » 13 Jan 2015 20:00

SBajwa, GoI was afraid of a repeat of the IPKF scenario in Sri Lanka, and imho, rightly so.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Tuvaluan » 13 Jan 2015 20:02

Mr. Bush offered India to send troops to Afghanistan for some money which we promptly refused.


The Indian army are not a bunch of mercenary sepoys to run around on orders from foreign armies. Rest is all bollocks. The americans created all the trouble there and India should create its own reputation in Afghanisthan untarnished by all the cretinous cr@p the US has pulled in Afghanistan in the past few decades with their rent-boy pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 20:11

Tuvaluan!
Once again!!! We lost a god send opportunity to join the NATO in Afghanistan and circle the Bakis to finish them. Now they are back and will try to do it again!! The same old policy of Prithviraj Chauhan (and people before him) to not follow and finish the offender rather wait and watch!! Eventually if not destroyed Bakis will enslave us! So the best thing is to grab the tactical opportunities and at least move an inch towards a bakiless future? I guess you guys and long GOI also believe that a strong and prosperous bakistan is in India's interest! :(

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby saip » 13 Jan 2015 20:13

There was a rally in Paris in support of the victims of Charlie Hebdo attack. Not to be outdone in Pissawar too they held a rally in support of ......

Peshawar rally pays tribute to Charlie Hebdo ...

Who says Pakistan is NOT a peace loving counry?

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Postby arun » 13 Jan 2015 20:19

SBajwa wrote:I remember back when Mr. Vajyapee was in power in 2001. Mr. Bush offered India to send troops to Afghanistan for some money which we promptly refused. GOI has a habit of consistently losing the tactical opportunities for strategic goals.


No tactical opportunities or strategic goal is worth India acting the lackey of a foreign power period, US included. It appears you have permitted your location in the US to permit relegating India to underdog poodledom. No thanks for your suggestion .

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Altair » 13 Jan 2015 20:21

Indian Army is at least kept away from Americanization by prosetylization. Do you want IA to hail Mary instead of Bharat Maa? Our political parties,our media is not Americanized enough for you now? In hindsight this was best decision taken by Hajpayee.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Baikul » 13 Jan 2015 20:36

SBajwa wrote:.....We lost a god send opportunity to join the NATO in Afghanistan and circle the Bakis to finish them. Now they are back and will try to do it again!! The same old policy of Prithviraj Chauhan (and people before him) to not follow and finish the offender rather wait and watch!! Eventually if not destroyed Bakis will enslave us! So the best thing is to grab the tactical opportunities and at least move an inch towards a bakiless future? I guess you guys and long GOI also believe that a strong and prosperous bakistan is in India's interest! :(


We lost nothing but the opportunity to fight in a country that's bedevilled invaders since forever, alongside 'partners' who would have left us holding the bag at the end of a dubious supply chain and an ever constricting geopolitical reality.

Sort of like Pakistan in Bangladesh, circa 1971?

Instead, this way we are fighting to the last NATO soldier and bullet, and that's the way it should be.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Tuvaluan » 13 Jan 2015 20:38

Once again!!! We lost a god send opportunity to join the NATO in Afghanistan and circle the Bakis to finish them.


SBajwa, If the americans could not finish them on their own, what makes you think that Indians operating under american orders would have done the job? The only thing it would have achieved is provided Pakistan more excuses to attack India and validate their "strategic depth" nonsense, which is not at all in India's interest.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby deejay » 13 Jan 2015 20:39

^^^ Afghanistan is a military graveyard. No point going and fighting there. British, Russians, Americans or Pakis have tasted it. Let us learn our lessons from the mistake of others. Bodybags for no positive result - whatever the invaders nationality.

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Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 20:42

Since 1947.

We lost opportunity in 1948 in Kashmir. (less than 10,000 dead to achieve the strategic goal of Baki destruction)

We lost opportunity in 1965 in Sialkote/Lahore. (less than 50,000 dead to achieve the strategic goal of Baki destruction)

We lost opportunity in 1971 93,000 soldiers, etc. (less than 100,000 dead to achieve the strategic goal) could not even get Hindu Majority Chittagong Hill Tracts to develop North East)

We lost opportunity in 1999 in Kargil., (less than 1,000,000 dead to achieve the strategic goal)

We lost opportunity in 2001 in Afghanistan. (less than 10,000,000 dead to achieve the strategic goal)

and now!! since Bakis are still here and are accumulating nukes!! I am guessing that in 2015 our cost now is 150,000,000 souls and increasing

so!! All I see is lost opportunities and excuses our people have been using since the times of Mahabharata!
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Postby member_20317 » 13 Jan 2015 20:42

Altair wrote:Indian Army is at least kept away from Americanization by prosetylization. Do you want IA to hail Mary instead of Bharat Maa? Our political parties,our media is not Americanized enough for you now? In hindsight this was best decision taken by Hajpayee.



Can't proselytization happen without having to say Hail Mary?

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arun wrote:
SBajwa wrote:I remember back when Mr. Vajyapee was in power in 2001. Mr. Bush offered India to send troops to Afghanistan for some money which we promptly refused. GOI has a habit of consistently losing the tactical opportunities for strategic goals.


No tactical opportunities or strategic goal is worth India acting the lackey of a foreign power period, US included. It appears you have permitted your location in the US to permit relegating India to underdog poodledom. No thanks for your suggestion .


I think there can be more interpretations then just a name calling.

IIRC, India was pretty helpful at first, in material terms (refueling bombers etc etc). All, since the head honchos of all our institutions thought US would see the truth of the Pakistan. Then they realized pretty soon that Afpak was more about Fak-apne-aap-nu and they rightly said pahle-aap. Then US got for itself the Russian supply route and scaled up their own act. Then the got for themselves the Paki supply route and dropped the Russian route and scaled up their efforts still further. Today US wants to take out its hardware as soon as the green-shoots of ANA can begin to bear fruits. Then the Amerikhans realized ANA cannot begin to bear fruits (Lotsa reasons) so they began talking to Pakis again. Apparently somebody on BRF too had once argued that Pakis have lost their Nuke-Balls. And Pakis were called a failed state (not that they are not, in more ways than one). And yet the sole supapawa of the universe, ended up talking to that Nuke-nood failed state (contrast that with near nuke power Eyeraq and truely nuke nood libya and only chem power Syria).

Thus India most likely refused because the US strategy was thought of as a courting of failure, ab-initio, which it did prove itself later.

I will be glandly happy if we are able to just check the narcotics flow and keep up good intel and surveillance on Pakis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 20:49

by Tuvuluan
SBajwa, If the americans could not finish them on their own, what makes you think that Indians operating under american orders would have done the job? The only thing it would have achieved is provided Pakistan more excuses to attack India and validate their "strategic depth" nonsense, which is not at all in India's interest.


Indian soldiers operating on the orders of their government. If you have surrounded your enemy from two sides who do you think has advantage?

Americans are fighting far away from their home territory and to only defeat the ragtag Talibs under order of Baki jernails.
India is the only local power and should have shown the Bakis their place with boots on Ground (Sikh Infantry and Sikh light infantry are excellent for Afghanistan region along with a mechanized regiment and they have history of fighting in this region).
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Tuvaluan » 13 Jan 2015 20:57

India is the only local power and should have shown the Bakis their place with boots on Ground (Sikh Infantry and Sikh light infantry are excellent for Afghanistan region along with a mechanized regiment).


You are assuming the Americans would not turn on India and take Pakistan's side on the flip of a coin -- I am sure they would have. India did not have the werewithal either in its leadership or politically or militarily for such a decision back then (not that it is much better now) and it would have only entwined India with the US's problems in the region and allowed US to get their claws into India's strategic decision making. No reason for that -- India should choose the place and time of where and who it wants to fight, and not get embroiled in asinine wars of foreign powers that seem to be funding the very enemy they are fighting in Afghanisthan by providing 10Billion dollars to the very people who core supporters of "al qaeda".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 21:10

by Tuvuluan
You are assuming the Americans would not turn on India and take Pakistan's side on the flip of a coin -- I am sure they would have.


India is much more needed by USA than bakistan! USA under kissinger and Nixon could not dare to cow us down! now they can? I doubt it!! Bakis have nothing to offer to USA except their nukes., after which they will lose their existence.

No reason for that -- India should choose the place and time of where and who it wants to fight,


and when will that be? Indians leaders are suffering from Gandhiism and will never make pragmatic and rational decisions despite all opportunities!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Tuvaluan » 13 Jan 2015 21:19

India is much more needed by USA than bakistan! USA under kissinger and Nixon could not dare to cow us down! now they can? I doubt it!! Bakis have nothing to offer to USA except their nukes., after which they will lose their existence.


I believe you misunderstand the US's compulsions and their world view -- it is not about whether the US can "cow down" India. They cannot and that is not the point I am trying to make. The point is whether US's alliance will be tactical or not, and given how they are funding pakistan even after it has been proven that the pakis were aiding "al qaeda" and providing them sanctuary and double-crossing the US, it would be simplistic to assume that the US would stop doing things not in India's interests just because India got involved in the US's GOAT (Global Offence Against Terrorism) in Afghanisthan.

and when will that be? Indians leaders are suffering from Gandhiism and will never make pragmatic and rational decisions despite all opportunities!


That will be when Pakistan has the least number of powerful allies that are currently willing to aid pakistan in its existential war against India. But for Pakistan rentboys to be useful to foreign powers, Pakistan needs to be in one piece (in terms of administration) and in control of their entire territory -- the moment the paki army and "civilian government" lose the ability to influence large parts of pakistan, they are no longer useful to their allies any more than a criminal mafia is useful to world powers (which they are on occasion).

Just because the US ignored the paki threat until 9/11 and then consciously decided to back pakistan as the "frontline ally" and deliberately kept India out of that fight, it does not mean India has to jump into a war after the US has effed up large parts of it thanks to its "ally" pakistan. In fact, less reason to be involved -- let the US and pakistan sort out their relationship before pulling India into it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby SBajwa » 13 Jan 2015 21:26

Let's wish that it is soon that Bakis lose their writ over entire territory but their bases and hope that they do not start distributing their nukes to their "good" talibs.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Tuvaluan » 13 Jan 2015 21:30

Let's wish that it is soon that Bakis lose their writ over entire territory but their bases and hope that they do not start distributing their nukes to their "good" talibs.


SBajwa, You speak as if that is a bad thing -- these "good talibs" with nukes, i.e. the paki army, are currently only interested in targeting India. But outside of paki army control, these good talibs have no reason to follow the paki army agenda, the rest of the world is open for targeting too. Let us all share pakistan's pure islamic peace and love with the western world, and not be selfish about it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/12/the-missing-pages-of-the-9-11-report.html

The US actually defended the very people who provided the funds to it for the 9/11 attack in Saudi Arabia and took the war to Iraq and Afghanisthan -- getting mixed up in the wars initiated by these cretins in the GOTUS is a lost cause. I mean, because Saudis were providing them oil and they could not take the war to saudi arabia, they went and took the war to Iraq and Afghanistan instead -- typical case of searching for a lost item where the lamp post is, rather than where the item was lost. The fact that it was a saudi-paki combination that caused 9/11 was pretty much figured out on one of these BRF threads, including the fact that the entire saudi family was removed from the US by the GOTUS after 9/11 for their own protection.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Anujan » 13 Jan 2015 21:47

Placards supporting the french terrorists. No awards for guessing where.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby chaanakya » 13 Jan 2015 22:45

Cover of Charlie Hebdo after the attack. Being released with 3 Mn copies of the magazine.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec

Postby Prem » 13 Jan 2015 23:00

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