Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 00:50

Anujan wrote:What's the takleef in conducting a census?

It enumerates the Shia, Ahamdiyyas, Cristians and Hindus. All these are not supposed to exist in the modern Islamic State of TSP.

So the elite say no census.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Jan 2015 00:56

Even the pakis don't really really know what is the takleef i getting a proper census.
They are afraid of the unknown.

They have this real example in the past when they held a real election - that created a lot of trouble didn't it?

So any progressive idea is looked upon with suspicion.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Jan 2015 01:00

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Jan 2015 01:03

Another issue I see that causes resistance to census, is the fear of a call to "family planning". i.e. just like polio eradication workers are eradicated for the fear that they maybe secretly sterilizing the children.

The real true Islamics are afraid that there might be calls from RAPE population for controlling the population of the unwashed. Family planning would be the obvious rational response to a population that is going to shoot to 1 billion in another 40 years. But Family Planning is Un Islamic and hence Bull-Cuttlable offense.

The RAPES are in an interesting place. They cannot really change much in the way Bakistan is going. They lost control by destroying democracy through promotion of the army. The army has lost control by destroying any possibility of sectarian unity through the promotion of Sunni Jihad (which was initially used as a weapon of social justice for the unwashed by the Mullahs).

Now RAPEs cannot change Bakistan via democracy or via the Army, as Friar-TuQ, Im-the-Dim and Zard-e-phuckap and peshawar school freedom fighting have proven over the last year.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Jan 2015 01:16

Ahmadiya Khalifa explaining who is a Kafir!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Jan 2015 02:09

shiv wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
A Census was held in 2011. However the Crapistani Leaders in Power decided for obvious reasons not to pulish the results. IMO the Population of Crapistan today should be in the vicinity 220 t0 225 Million.
I don't think they actually did a complete census in 2011. Also I think it was the 2008 census that they tried to do in 2011. No full census has been done after 1998

shiv Ji :

Census 2011

Schedule of the census-2011:
House Listing Operation : Successfully Completed
Population & Housing Census : March/April 2012 (TENTATIVE)

You will note that the House Listing has been Successfully completed.

As per Column 3 of SIXTH POPULATION AND HOUSING CENSUS HOUSE LISTING FORM the “Enumerators” have to Enter the number of Household members who live in the particular housing unit.

As such the House Listing Operations having been successfully completed Crapistan is fully aware of the Population Figures i.e. by March 29, 2012 – the Date of the Article per my post of 28 Jan 2015 21:09. I also quote the following from this Article stating the Pakjab population has decreased
“considerably” in the 2011 Census i.e. 8.02 percent as compared to the 1988 Census :

As far as population proportion is concerned, 13.99 percent of the total population of the country has been reported in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in 2011, 2.32 in Fata, 47.52 in the Punjab, 28.73 percent in Sindh, 6.85 percent in Balochistan and 0.60 percent in Islamabad.

According to the 1998 census, the population in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was 13.41 percent of the total population, 2.40 percent in Fata, 55.60 percent in the Punjab, 22.9 percent in Sindh, 4.9 percent in Balochistan and 0.6 percent in Islamabad, the data revealed.

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Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jan 2015 02:24

Watch Chari at 38, Not weak or strong Pakistan but No Pakistan in India's best Interest. Chari very adamant about taking Baluchistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 02:53

Peregrine what that means is the 1998 figures for Punjab were inflated by ~10% due to pindi channa.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 29 Jan 2015 03:28

Assuming the numbers are not fully cooked, it could be combination of migration Pakjabis to Sindh and other territories and higher rate of population growth in other less developed states.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Jan 2015 03:50

ramana wrote:Peregrine what that means is the 1998 figures for Punjab were inflated by ~10% due to pindi channa.

ramana Ji :

Wish it was Sir Ji, Wish it was!

If Wishes were Granny Smith Apples all of us would have the Mother of Sore Throats

Cheers

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 29 Jan 2015 04:10

More

Pakistan opposes India's permanent UN Security Council membership bid.

Pakistan on Tuesday opposed India's bid for membership to the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) and a permanent seat in the UN Security Council.

Peeved at the breakthrough in the operationalisation of the Indo-US nuclear deal, Pakistan said the move for "political and economic expediencies" would have a "detrimental" impact on deterrence stability in South Asia.

Hours after US President Barack Obama concluded his unprecedented second visit to India, Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Adviser on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz opposed the Indo-US nuclear deal.

"The operationalisation of Indo-US nuclear deal for political and economic expediencies would have a detrimental impact on deterrence stability in South Asia. Pakistan reserves the right to safeguard its national security interests," he said.

During his three-day visit, Obama held wide-ranging talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi as both countries broke a seven-year logjam to operationalise a landmark civil nuclear deal, besides enhancing defence and trade ties.

Apart from clearing the obstacles for the implementation of the civil nuclear deal, President Obama reaffirmed the US' position that India is ready for NSG membership.

Reacting to the US' backing to India's NSG membership bid, Aziz said, "We have also noted the Joint Statement suggesting that India is ready for NSG membership and other export control regimes.

"Pakistan is opposed to yet another country-specific exemption from NSG rules to grant membership to India, as this would further compound the already fragile strategic stability environment in South Asia, would further undermine the credibility of NSG and weaken the non-proliferation regime." Aziz asserted that Pakistan remains opposed to policies of "selectivity and discrimination".

"Pakistan is not averse to civil nuclear cooperation and NSG membership for non-NPT states provided it is based on the principles of non-discrimination and objective non- proliferation criteria," he said. Pakis talking of Principles

He reiterated that Pakistan would continue to maintain its constructive engagement with NSG and other export control regimes to build its case for membership.

Aziz also opposed India's permanent UNSC membership bid, saying, "A country, in violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions on matters of international peace and security, such as the Jammu and Kashmir dispute, by no means qualifies for a special status in the Security Council."

During his India visit, President Obama also reaffirmed his support for a reformed UN Security Council with India as a permanent member.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Jan 2015 05:14

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Jan 2015 05:18

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 29 Jan 2015 05:24

Nawaz Sharif sings Kashmir tune to buy peace with India

NEW DELHI: Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif has said he wants normal relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality but added that for the two countries to achieve viable peace, it is important to resolve the issue of Jammu & Kashmir.

"India is an important neighbour for us and we would like to have normal relations with the country on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality," Sharif told Pakistan's high commissioner to India Abdul Basit during a meeting with him in Islamabad.

According to the Pakistan high commission, Sharif said it is important that two countries resolve all their outstanding issues including Jammu & Kashmir in order to have viable peace in the region.

India cancelled foreign secretary-level dialogue with Pakistan after Basit held talks with Kashmiri separatists just before the talks in Islamabad in August last year. Since then both countries have maintained that they are willing to engage in a meaningful dialogue provided the other side takes the initiative.

Reacting to Modi-Obama summit outcome, Pakistan had opposed support to India's permanent membership of UNSC and also for its membership of Nuclear Suppliers Group.

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habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Jan 2015 05:40

NLC (National Logistics Cell), the TSPA's logistics arm purchased 10 engines from South Korea in 2013 for PRs. 10 crore each. Apparently what was not mentioned to the public though was that these engines had already completed their life and were in operation for 25 years in South Korea and about to be scrapped when they were shipped to Pakistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpnJwxGiFt4

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Jan 2015 05:59

According to data, average household size has decreased from 6.9 in 1998 to 6.8 in 2011.The average of household size decreased from 7.0 to 6.6 in the Punjab, from 6.1 to 6.0 in Sindh.

Assuming that the household here implies a newclear family, an average baki family has ammi-abbu and four or more little Abduls and Ayeshas, who'll grow up in a country with little food, little hope, an uncertain future and in the grip of Islamic fundamentalism.

Which means more cannon fodder for the Jihadis, TSPA and basically anyone who needs mercenaries.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jan 2015 06:00

Peregrine wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Missed this - I don't think it was posted here.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/01 ... -earliest/
A_Gupta Ji :

A Census was held in 2011. However the Crapistani Leaders in Power decided for obvious reasons not to pulish the results. IMO the Population of Crapistan today should be in the vicinity 220 t0 225 Million.

Thanks, I am aware of the "preliminary" results released by the Pakistani Census of 2011.
I wrote this blog-post on that occasion, may still be of interest:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... ation.html

PS: In brief, the UN had population projections for Pakistan, assuming a declining fertility model, labeled, low, medium and high (low meaning a faster fall for fertility, high meaning a faster fall). The UN also had a constant fertility projection for Pakistan. The 2011 census for Pakistan shows a number that exceeds all of these projections.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 06:04

habal wrote:NLC (National Logistics Cell), the TSPA's logistics arm purchased 10 engines from South Korea in 2013 for PRs. 10 crore each. Apparently what was not mentioned to the public though was that these engines had already completed their life and were in operation for 25 years in South Korea and about to be scrapped when they were shipped to Pakistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpnJwxGiFt4

What is the end of life/scrap price for such locos? Maybe the real scam is paying that mony. OTH it could be transport cost!

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Jan 2015 06:14

Kashi wrote: Assuming that the household here implies a newclear family, an average baki family has ammi-abbu and four or more little Abduls and Ayeshas, who'll grow up in a country with little food, little hope, an uncertain future and in the grip of Islamic fundamentalism.

Which means more cannon fodder for the Jihadis, TSPA and basically anyone who needs mercenaries.

Yes sir. That is why its going to be a headache for humanity. It is really a massive humanitarian crisis. Imagine an unlimited pool of mercenaries and soosai bombers, programmed from kindergarten age with only hatred for the other and themselves.

It would be a pretty formidable army. That army will overshoot India's population by the end of the century. The implications are enormous and there needs to be some sort of a vision for what needs to be done (and its not A-monkey-tamasha).

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jan 2015 06:18

It enumerates the Shia, Ahamdiyyas, Cristians and Hindus. All these are not supposed to exist in the modern Islamic State of TSP. So the elite say no census.

Much worse. Far, far worse. Census may show that Pakjabis are outnumbered by non-Pakjabis. Next thing u know, ppl like that smart Mohterma MP with the blog site may start agitating for redistribution of the budget, then re-districting parliamentary constituencies...

Remember E. Bakistan, Z. Bhutto, Mujib, Yahya and Awami Leage, 1969? This is how it started.

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Jan 2015 06:27

they were supposed to buy new engines for operation in 'hot, dusty climate'. But ended up buying engines that were due for rebuilding after service life of 20 years. Design life of these engines is 40 years.

NLC was about to start a parallel system to PR and augment their road transportation capabilities. After lengthy discussions with railways, they settled on a workable system of parallel networks. Then they went and got this junk from South Korea.

The scam was that they got engines at end of service life in lieu of new engines. And they don't have technical capabilities to rebuild it.

As a recent development in the used locomotive hunt, PR could able to procure a few used GT26CW-2 locomotives from South Korea with power output in the range 3000-3300hp and operational capability in the dusty hot environment with temperature upto 55 degree centigrade. From 1971 to 1997, the Korean National Railroad (Korail) received GT26CW-2s from General Motor’s Electro-Motive Division (GM-EMD) and Hyundai Rolling Stock Co. (present: Hyundai). These locomotives were used for freight trains and express passenger trains on all of the Korail sectors. Considered being lived their effective life several of these locomotives were sold to Iran. But technical difficulties with these locomotives will be the change of gauge. Korail operates on Standard Gauge (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) whereas PR operates on Broad Gauge (5ft 6in). Change of Gauge is almost a challenging task for railroads all over the world since a lot of the locomotive balance, proper installation of the traction motors and ride quality depend on it. Generally a diesel locomotive is considered for a rebuilding after twenty years of active service. Hope these Korean gentlemen don’t cut a hole in PR’s pocket.

http://thedemagogues.net/2014/02/locomo ... -pakistan/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jan 2015 06:39

habal, Follow the money as the wise man said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jan 2015 06:46

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A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Jan 2015 07:00

habal wrote:they were supposed to buy new engines for operation in 'hot, dusty climate'.

SDRE locomotives would work in 'hot, dusty climate' and would likely have the correct gauge. Too bad that it is haraam for TFTA Islamics.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jan 2015 07:13

Anujan wrote: Political parties are opposed to census and very vehemently so. I wonder what the game is.

Maybe the minorities count

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jan 2015 07:16

A_Gupta wrote:
habal wrote:they were supposed to buy new engines for operation in 'hot, dusty climate'.
SDRE locomotives would work in 'hot, dusty climate' and would likely have the correct gauge. Too bad that it is haraam for TFTA Islamics.

they tried. they wanted a lease of IR locos ..... with deferred and no payment ofcourse.

fortunately the IR top brass shot down the idea.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jan 2015 07:22

Pakistan seems to have added 50 million children since the Kargil war. That means I am certain they have built 100,000 new schools since 1998 to educate those children - at 500 kids per school. After all, since 1998 Pakistan has acquired 120 nuclear bombs, 75 Bundaar JF 17s and about 20 F-16s. Building schools must have been the easiest part.

I recall reading almost every day on this thread since 1998 that the Pakistanis have been inaugurating 17 new schools a day to meet this target.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 Jan 2015 07:23

We are the beggars, my friends,
And we'll keep on begging 'til the end.

we are the beggars,
we are the beggars...

Japan provides $19m for ports security, Lahore water system

ISLAMABAD
Japan and Pakistan on Wednesday signed two agreements under which Japanese Government extended a grant $19 million to the GoP for improvement in security arrangements in Port Qasim, Karachi Port and energy saving in water supply system in Lahore.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Jan 2015 07:28

Mijjile technology has also advanced since Kargil war. They can now be launched aiming the west. During the termination maneuvering the the red tip will open and deploy a thousand return address labeled begging bowls which will land all over Europe and Amrika*. It can also be programmed to land as a single large begging bowl into any government office in the West.

* This technology somehow seems to fail in China.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jan 2015 07:36

Dipanker wrote:We are the beggars, my friends,
And we'll keep on begging 'til the end.

we are the beggars,
we are the beggars...

Pakis are the true descendants of Emperor Aurmaangazeb

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 29 Jan 2015 07:40

As per this report, Pakistan's population in 2011 was 197+ millions:

PAKISTAN: WHERE THE POPULATION BOMB IS EXPLODING

In much the developed, as well as developing world, population growth is slowing. Not so in Pakistan according to reported preliminary results of the 2011 Pakistan census. Here population is growing much faster than had been projected. Pakistan's population stood at 197.4 million in 2011, an increase of 62.7 million from the last census in 1998 (Note 1). The new population is 20 million more than had been forecast in United Nations documents.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Jan 2015 07:56

UlanBatori wrote:
It enumerates the Shia, Ahamdiyyas, Cristians and Hindus. All these are not supposed to exist in the modern Islamic State of TSP. So the elite say no census.
Much worse. Far, far worse. Census may show that Pakjabis are outnumbered by non-Pakjabis. Next thing u know, ppl like that smart Mohterma MP with the blog site may start agitating for redistribution of the budget, then re-districting parliamentary constituencies...

Remember E. Bakistan, Z. Bhutto, Mujib, Yahya and Awami Leage, 1969? This is how it started.

If political parties are opposed to it, then it means that its related to seats and votes. So, census might lead to redistribution of constituencies and might impact elections. It means that all elections in Pakistan are bogus. And yes, there may be apprehension that if a proper census is taken, then pakjabis might be outnumbered by non-pakjabis in entire pakistan which would have impact on electoral rolls and which in turn would effect electoral outcome.

Jhujar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAGuwpJTTzE
1.30 the Pakisuar claims Avinash Chander was too friendly with Iran thus removed.

Link to post

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Jan 2015 07:59

Paki khujli seems no sign of abating. Sample some of these gems that have appeared in their "leading" bog rolls in the past few days

India: It wasn’t a terror boat

1) The Indian Coast Guard is either extremely inefficient (by their own admission) or has most likely concocted a story under the direction of the BJP government, that also done very poorly;
Conspiracy hat on

2) If the persons on the boat were terrorists, they would most likely have wanted to take some of the coastguards with them rather than die alone and meekly. That is what terrorists would have done;
Of course a Paki is well placed to judge what a terrorist would have done. It takes one to know one.

3) What if there indeed was a boat of smugglers, defenceless against the Indian coastguards, who attacked and sunk the boat. The BJP then decided to capitalise on the incident to continue its relentless propaganda against Pakistan, particularly so in the wake of Barack Obama’s visit;
Eevil yindu conspiracy

4) Alternatively, Indian authorities could have planned the whole episode and executed it with prior intentions to malign Pakistan. India is known to have done that previously.
Of course

Impact of Obama’s visit to India

Some gems

We, too, share the blame, but the West is equally responsible for the situation that Pakistan and the region are facing.

Washington also cannot ignore the reality of Pakistan’s geostrategic importance when it comes to the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is probable that in private, Obama has advised Modi that he should work towards a peaceful environment in the region so that it enables Pakistan to fully focus on the internal threat.

The army chief’s visit to Beijing, however, has provided an opportunity to send a strong signal to India that Pakistan has a highly dependable ally in China and is not alone.
take that you eevil yeendus

A message for Pakistan

by taking time out to attend India’s Republic Day celebrations, Obama signalled that he cannot afford to decline an Indian prime minister’s invitation, even if it may be devoid of any substance.

Thirdly, Obama’s visit soured the moods, particularly of those who had hailed him as the first American with a Muslim lineage.

A lesson and some hope

There is a lesson for Pakistan in the recent visit of President Barack Obama to India..And there is hope, too, for us in the perceived increase in the understanding between Washington and New Delhi as a result of the visit.

Pervez Musharraf claimed that because of four reasons, Pakistan can never be consigned to isolation. His four reasons: 1) Hub of fundamentalism; 2) Hub of drug-trafficking; 3) Borders with China and; 4) Nuclear arms. This was clearly a disingenuous argument. All these four reasons are negative and because of three of these, Pakistan is being treated as a pariah by many countries.

we could be in a position to encourage the US to leverage its increased understanding with the Indian leadership to help diffuse the nuclear flashpoint that the region has become because of the unresolved Kashmir dispute. Even for India to play ‘a central role beyond its borders’ with almost half of its population still writhing below the poverty line, it will first have to come to some kind of peaceful settlement with Pakistan on all the contentious issues plaguing their bilateral relations.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jan 2015 08:01

shiv wrote:
Dipanker wrote:We are the beggars, my friends,
And we'll keep on begging 'til the end.we are the beggars,
we are the beggars...Pakis are the true descendants of Emperor Aurmaangazeb

Pakis are the true descendants of Harem-'Zeb". Only Ammi Ka Patta Hai, Abbu ko abhi Tukk Dhoond rahe hain.

partha · Post by **partha** » 29 Jan 2015 10:03

From Kashi saar's post -

From Express Tribune article:

Even for India to play ‘a central role beyond its borders’ with almost half of its population still writhing below the poverty line, it will first have to come to some kind of peaceful settlement with Pakistan on all the contentious issues plaguing their bilateral relations.

In just one sentence, the author displays strong hatred towards India, peddles lies and shows frustration about India's rise. Well done! This fellow was the Editor of Express Tribune, supposedly a "liberal" newspaper. So this guy is supposed to be equivalent of say S Varadarajan or N Ram but if he grows a beard and wears a lal topi, he could pass off as Zaid Hamid.

partha · Post by **partha** » 29 Jan 2015 10:08

It's probable that in private Modi has told Obama he is ready to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan. Could sacking of hawks like foreign secretary Sujata Singh be the first step? ZOMG!!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jan 2015 10:13

Ah ... seen the above line in quite a few videos in recent time. Seems to be a *deep* state line. It is as if the Baki's hold the KEY to India's rise and they can deny us our rightful place at their will.

"Indian cannot hope to become a world power without coming to some kind of peaceful settlement with Pakistan"

It is also a politer version of noclear scaremongering. One of the other often repeated line goes something like.

"With the nuclear overhang who is going to invest in India"

Their contention is that by repeated scaremongering they scare away investors. The above lines are also used to restore their hurt echendee. Also it implies some kind of parity of power for consumption of mango baki.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Jan 2015 10:23

Annual abortion rate in Pakistan doubled in 10 years
They are not using the weapon of Living Contraceptive Madam 's Face Photu

ISLAMABAD: A recent study revealed that an estimated 2.25 million abortions were conducted in Pakistan in 2012. Almost all these abortions were clandestine and the health and lives of women were at risk. There were 50 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-49 in 2012 and 27 in 2002.The study titled ‘Induced Abortions and Unintended Pregnancies in Pakistan’ was carried out by Population Council in collaboration with the Guttmacher Institute, United States of America, and launched at a local hotel in Wednesday.The study shows that in 2012, an estimated 623,000 Pakistani women were treated for complications resulting from induced abortions, the vast majority of which were performed by unqualified people or involved traditional methods.A second report titled ‘Investigating the low use of contraceptive methods in Pakistan and its causes and dimensions’ was also launched at the event.The report showed that there is a growing acceptance of contraception in Pakistan and major barriers are being removed.According to the report, because of financial burdens and improved general awareness husbands have become supportive towards the use of contraceptives. Couples also pay less attention to demands of other family members such as mothers-in-law regarding number of children. Moreover, the report notes that religion is no longer a reason for people to hesitate from using ntraceptives.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Jan 2015 10:40

How will India "Become a world Power" if it resolves its issues with Bakistan ?
I mean I have seen Pakis narrating this line ad nauseum but no Paki knows how will it make India, a world power.
On top if India becomes a world power by ceeding Kashmir to Pakistan, Isn't it fraught with risk strategy for Pakis because a legitimate world power can snatch back Kashmir along with few chunks of NWFP and Balochistan as VAT.