Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Jan 2015 00:54

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Mullah Aziz says earthquakes in Pakistan is punishment for our sins, earthquakes don't occur in India because its population is non muslim

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 01 Jan 2015 02:20

Atri wrote:

Tarek Fatah after long time. Regarding Peshawar killings and others. Delightful as usual.

This interview is really really insightful. Worth listening to in its entirety. I have listened to his other interviews as well but was still astonished. There is always something new. Here is a transcript of first half that I could gather (emphasis mine). Will post second half later.

Good and bad taliban are twins. Only mother can tell them apart and the mother is Pakistan.
Basis of Pakistan is hate, rejection of another idea and false belief of being superior to another group. No identity of their own.
Muslims cannot live peacefully in a non-muslim majority society. If they have to then they have to be a fifth column and in constant conflict with the majority.
This is the same day (December 16th) on which the same fauj killed 30 lack Bengalis and they did not feel a thing. Killing of 140 kids is hardly a blip. They did not feel shame then, why now? (except that these kids belong to the same fauj - this clarification came later on in the discussion along with some additional details such as more than hundred Christians were killed around same area but nobody bothered).
Why was Lakhvi released? This is not a normal nation. There are so many states within. Army, ISI and other competing factions. This nation was never mentioned in history and will probably never be mentioned in future. It may just breakup and get consumed by surrounding countries. It was created by British/US for their needs that no more exists.
December 16 - Nobody remembers that this day Pakistan died many times, not just in 2014. Was referring to breakup of Pakistan and fauj surrender on this day. Pakistanis said that day "Bengal lost? Damn it! Good riddance!! Anyways used to flood every year and nothing useful ever happened there. Useless Bengalis".
Can current events create problems for Pakistani fauj in Pakistan? Well the fact is both Pakistani fauj and Pakistan cannot live together. Only one can exist meaningfully.
Right at the beginning Pakistan played game of Islam. They cut the wings of Bengal prime minister or chief and made Liyaqat Ali Khan the prime minister of Pakistan. He had no basis or real following. Right after the death of Jinnah game of Islam came out in open.
Pakistani elites killed Baluch leader and his family and forced Baluchistan in Pakistan. They killed Baluch, Pashto, Sindhi even Panjabi languages and brought Urdu to compete with Bengal. Bengali muslims were in majority then and Punjabis and Mohajirs like Tarek Fatah (he pointed to himself) could not accept that. Army was used to achieve this and first martial law was brought in Pakistan in 1953.
Next marital law came in 1958 was because national awami party was incredibly popular in Pakistan and their victory in 1959 election was certain. This part had two demands - first is "Pakistan will distance itself from CENTO and SEATO" and the other is "Pakistan will be broken into 4 different parts". Army and their benefactors did not like it. Ayub Khan intervened and did a coup and assumed power.
In 1947 whatever Pakistani officers were there like Faiz Ali Faiz, Ayub Khan, Major Ishaq etc. had two choices - either join Subhash Chandra Bose led Indian National Army and fight against British or side with British.
Col. Durrani and some other Pakistani officers chose first option and those who sided with British became the masters of Pakistani nation. Since then the fauj runs Pakistan, makes cement, cofee etc. runs truck, sell drugs, manufacture bombs, sell those bombs to Taliban then kills those Talibans when it is convenient.
How is Pakistan connected to current upheaval in middle east? Connecting to middle east was an early Pakistani dream. Pan Islamism is an Indian decease affecting sub-continental muslims. It never had any support or even sympathy of Arabs. They always had higher position for themselves in Islam. No ISIS fighter from subcontinent is allowed to enjoy services of Arab woman being offered to ISIS fighters. Sharia laws makes the position clear about Arabs and other muslims. The reason for us having arabic names because we think like slaves of Arabs and carrying a false notion of pan Islamism.
Does Pakistani people know their destination? Do they know where the road they are walking on ends? If ISIS comes to Pakistan even pakistani women could be soldas slaves - of course they know. after all they are the ones who raped, sold and treated 1 lack Bengali muslim women as pr0stitutes. So many Bengali women were left pregnant by Pakistani army that UN had to start abortion clinics there.
According to Sharia law, captured women are eligible to be sold and used as sex slaves and this same Sharia gives Arabs prominent place in Islam. PBUH may have said that all are equal but Sharia was written 200 years after that.
Arabs have not enjoyed "Arab sovereignty" since thirteen century till now. Tartars and Mongols captured Baghdad albeit they later converted to Islam. Turkey ruled them. Pakistanis does not know real Islam. They use logic and slavish mentality to become Islam pasand. Indian muslims are much better in this regard.
Until 1973 Saudi did not have such a prominent role in Islamic affiars. Their economy was not so good. After 1973 was when oil prices shoot up. Same oil that was 3/4 dollars a barrel before war then became 20/30 dollars a barrel. They could not buy people till then. Saudi Amir used be recieved by Karachi city's deputy mayor.
Pakistan, Iran and Turkey used to be the "green" belt then. Later Pakistanis sold themselves to Saudi. Iran had revolution and Pakistani shias started identifying themselves as Iranis. This happened more because Pakistan does not have its own identity. Their quest to dissociate themselves from India and not calling themselves as Indian muslims has left them nowhere. This is the reason anybody who pays money can buy their identity and make Pakistanis dance to their tunes.
Perpetrators of school massacre has nothing to do with Arabs, Indians or ISIS. This is just a blowback. Pakistani army used Shafiq Mingal to kill scores of school kids in Baluchistan. Nobody bothered then. Mass graves found later had hundreds of bodies that had no food at all in their stomach. Psot martem confirmed that they were buried alive.

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 01 Jan 2015 02:44

All this MUST be put out in some form for the average abdul to hear, understand and fathom.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 01 Jan 2015 02:56

^^^ At around 28:30 Tarek sahib says that millions of Indian kids prayed for all the kids in Peshawar, and despite all this a delusional and raged filled TV anchor had threatened India using an unmentionable sexual innuendo. Unmentionable, because that is what Bakistani army did to millions of Bengladesi women when during the 1971 Bengali genocide.

The said anchor and the said show is here:

Watch around 2:17. He says, says you Indians do whatever you want to do we Bakistanis will get "INSIDE" of you. In colloqial Hindi it means we will shove our collective "benis" into you. Must mean the same in Urdu as well. Filthy little Baki c*nt.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 Jan 2015 03:26

Please don't quote long posts. mobile browsing is annoying even with phablets

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 01 Jan 2015 05:43

CRamS, you should definitely listen to thus 45 minute long exposition of the terminal dysfunction of Pakistani society. Tarek makes the case in greater detail than any Indian could with history, facts, history of Arabs themselves colonised and using their oil wealth to buy fellow Muslims, development of Sharia and its misapplication, racism in Arab lands, history of rape and genocide of the Pakistani military. It is all here.

There is nothing we could possibly add to Tarek's efforts. He is quite well known in Canada at least, the Pakistanis here being fascinated and repulsed by him.

Two things, however, he relates a horrendous tale of perhaps five hundred Baloach children being killed by the army and evidently being buried alive. This is the first report I am aware of on this and should be documented. Secondly, Tarek just could not suppress a sardonic smile when discussing that it was booted and tie wearing children of seths , Panjabi army officers, that were killed in Pishor.

Both Iqbal and Tarek agree that the Pakistani aam Muslim has a low shall we say sophistication, Bulund expands it to include Indian Muslims. Tarek corrects him to say they are more advanced.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 01 Jan 2015 10:40

LokeshC wrote:Watch around 2:17. He says, says you Indians do whatever you want to do we Bakistanis will get "INSIDE" of you. In colloqial Hindi it means we will shove our collective "benis" into you. Must mean the same in Urdu as well. Filthy little Baki c*nt.

Amir Liaquat Hussain is host of ARY's tv channel, according to Subramanian Swamy they have financed Amir Khan's film 'PK'.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Jan 2015 11:13

The Indian Express ‏@IndianExpress 36s36 seconds ago
Pak troops fired at 13 posts along border in Samba sector of J&K through the night. Firing stopped at 6 AM, says BSF official.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 01 Jan 2015 11:35

Amir Liaqat Hussain was a host on perceived India leaning channel Geo TV.Mubashir Luqman working for ISI and Dawood funded ARY Channel did an expose on his fake islamic degrees - the gap between his Masters and PHD degrees is just 20 days!!!! :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL2RNGiaYLU

Interesting turn of events as Amir Liaqat Husain left Geo and now both the bigots work for the same channel - ARY. Needless to say anti-India Mubashir now is silent on Amir's fake credentials.

Another Video of this Islamic preacher showing his true self using cuss words Ch***na, Ben***d, Bh***va etc and talking with others and not knowing he was being filmed/recorded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL2RNGiaYLU

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkjhu2 ... posed_news

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 01 Jan 2015 11:51

http://www.sify.com/news/pakistan-summo ... ghiic.html
Pakistan summons Indian diplomat to protest killing of four rangers
Pakistan reportedly summoned India's Deputy High Commissioner to that country on Wednesday evening to register its protest over the alleged killing of four Pakistani Rangers by Indian troops in the border areas of the Samba Sector in Jammu and Kashmir. The protest was lodged despite two reported cease-fire violations by Pakistani troops in the last 24 hours. Apart from the four Rangers killed, one Indian Border Security Force jawan- Constable Sri Ram Gowria-was killed. Another jawan is reported to have suffered minor injuries......
Gautam
The Indian retaliation came when Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh - after being briefed, asked the BSF to give a fitting reply to the Rangers.
An official statement said, "The Home Minister asked the DG, BSF to provide a suitable and appropriate reply for any such unprovoked firing".

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 01 Jan 2015 12:39

The downfall of Islam will begin when Pakistan is split into multiple nations and one of those nations (Sindh? Balochistan?) will dump Islam in mass & blame it on their poor condition and abuse it / expose it in front of the world for what it truly is - a tribal cult, an Arabic design for imperialism. They need to come out & say how they became Muslims by raping, pillaging Arabic warlords and how they want to go back to their own indigenous culture & way of life. That day will cause ripples among the Indian Muslims as well.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 01 Jan 2015 15:07

Interesting thing from Tarek Fatah's video is that he says that in addition to: "No Muslim can kill another Muslim", there is an unwritten belief that goes: "No Muslim can make mistakes" very similar to "Allah wont punish you if you are a true enough Muslim".

This makes the Baki psyche very weak and insecure, and it also means that Bakis are on a one way ticket to denial. Nothing new to us over here, but I did not think it had an Islamic basis to it.

Tarek also says that the Pan Islamic Ummah dream of sooth asian Islamists (I had mentioned this in another place as well), is a unique phenomena to Bakistani Islamics. Since they have a hollow identity formed by the rejection of their Indian-ness, it causes them to have a deep cognitive dissonance when an True Blue blooded Arab treats them like $hit (Arabs are notoriously and probably incorrigibly racist). They end up having a deep dilemma of getting rejected by the gatekeepers of the culture whom they chose to inherit (four-fathers) and rejecting the very culture whom they really belong to (Indian).

This dilemma and cognitive dissonance is the root cause of Bakis prostituting themselves to the highest bidder. In return what they really want is an Identity. They want to claim "We are like Arabs only, heck we ARE arabs, just ask our brothers over in Barbaria". Or "We are like Americans onlee, heck just ask any General about our Jernail they both would know each other like Brothers". This obviously does not happen, as much as a Baki wants to.

The dream of an Pan Islamic Ummah headed by Bakistan stems from that desire of belonging. More than anything it is a statement of their permanent and eternal insecurity in themselves. In short Bakis have set themselves up for failure, and are unfortunately set to drag us down along with them.

Baki failure is another wierd beast, since a true Muslim cannot fail since Allah wont let him. Those Bakis who failed Bakistan and the Ummah project are hence not really Islamic enough. Therefore, the only way Bakistan will go after the next failure is towards more Islam. This movement is so fundamental to Bakistan that not even the Baki Army can break it if they suddenly become enlightened about it today. They will not and cannot change course towards less Islam.

Less Islam would mean accepting that their identities are not of the TFTA four-father but they belong to the same category as a smelly, short, dark, curry munching, dot headed Indians. Less Islam would also mean acknowledging that increasing the "Islamic Dial" to a higher level (after 1971) did not work, which means Islam has failed Bakistan. Two nation theory died in 1971, accepting less Islam is the solution would mean the death of the raison-d-etre of Bakistan. It will be the ideological end of Bakistan as we know it. Physically Bakistan is already fragmented as many gurus have mentioned here.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Jan 2015 15:44

On one extreme is Tarek Fatah and on the other end is the Mubashir Kookman genius who has everything figured out and has cooked up the latest conspiracy for Peshawar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjHFnAjElM

RAW is behind Peshawar incident.
No evidence.
Circumstantial evidence for 13, November 2013 operation to execute Dawood Ib.
9 hitmen from India invited to Pakistan on basis of Pakistan Idol program by Geo TV.
But operation was called of because 9 hitmen were exposed.
One of them is named Manisha Jai Singh. (17:00-18:00)
May be related to Zaid Hamid's Amar Singh.
Failing this revenge was taken in later incidents.
Like Peshawar.
Evidence is Swamy Aseemanand
Evidence is Doval's speech at Sastra university.

He addresses Najam Sethi as 'babaji' an old Indian agent.

Mubashir Luqman is the only Pakistani patriot in Pakistan and breathes the rarified air as that of his compatriots in Pakistan army. Khushboo-e-zamzam-islami-oud-al-haramain-attar.

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 01 Jan 2015 15:57

AoA......

http://nation.com.pk/national/01-Jan-20 ... alochistan

This was the first polio case to be reported in 2015 in the country.
"At this point in time, we cannot say whether the parents had refused polio drops," sources said.

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 01 Jan 2015 16:19

This is benis material!!!

http://tribune.com.pk/story/815373/bad- ... nkey-meat/

MULTAN: Bahawalnagar police on Wednesday claimed to have arrested two butchers for preparing donkey meat to be sold on New Year’s Eve.

He said during interrogation, they had confessed that they had been selling donkey meat for five years. Ya Allllllllllaaahhhh

They claimed that most people could not tell the difference between donkey meat and cow meat if it was properly cut up. They further said several customers had praised them for selling good quality meat.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jan 2015 16:24

Abul Ala Maududi: An existentialist history - Nadeem F Paracha, DAWN

To most Pakistanis and to those who have been associated with various Islamic political outfits in countries like Egypt, Indonesia, Syria and Malaysia, Abul Ala Maududi is to 'Political Islam' what Karl Marx was to Communism.

Both western and South Asian historians have described him as one of the most powerful Islamic ideologues of the 20th century, whose ideas and writings went on to influence a vast number of Islamic movements in the Muslim world.

For example, the well-known American journal, The New Statesman, in its July 2013 issue, suggested that the impact of Maududi's ideas can be found in modern Islamic movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood (first formed in Egypt) and similar outfits across the Muslim realms, all the way to the more aggressive postures of men like Osama Bin Laden, the founder of Al Qaeda and once the most wanted terrorist in the world.

Ambitions and achievements

In Pakistan, Maududi is mostly remembered as an Islamic scholar who founded the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI). But he also still remains a controversial figure here. To the left and liberal segments, he is remembered as the man who let the US use JI (during the Cold War) to undermine leftist and progressive politics in Pakistan, whereas many Islamic parties opposed to the JI once went on to declare him to be a religious innovator who attempted to create a whole new sect.

He arrived in Pakistan from India as a migrant and scholar with the ambition to turn what to him was a nationalistic abomination {So, not only does BRf call Pakistan an abomination. . } into becoming a 'true Islamic state' based on the laws of the shariah.

Maududi had formed his party in 1941 like a Leninist outfit in which a vanguard and select group of learned and 'pious Muslims' would work to bring an 'Islamic revolution' and do away with the forces of what Maududi called modern-day jahiliya (socialism, communism, liberal democracy, secularism and a faith 'distorted by innovators').

To that end, he began to lay down the foundations of what came to be known as 'Islamism' — a theory that advocated the formation of an Islamic state by first 'Islamising' various sections of the economy and politics so that a fully Islamised polity could be built to launch the final Islamic revolution.

Maududi's theories in this context attracted certain segments of Pakistan's urban middle-classes and was also adopted by Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, which tried to jettison the process through a 'jihad' within Egypt.

Not only did Maududi and his party face resistance from leftist groups, it also entered into a long tussle with Ayub Khan's secular/modernist dictatorship (1958-69), and with the ZA Bhutto regime, which was based on populist socialism (1971-77).

Maududi was also taken to task by the Jamiat Ulema-i-Pakistan, which accused the JI of creating a separate Muslim sect called 'Maududiat'.

Nevertheless, Maududi's ideas were eventually adopted by General Ziaul Haq, who had pulled off a successful military coup in July 1977 and then invited Maududi to help him shape policies to help make Pakistan a 'true Islamic country' run on 'Nizam-e-Mustafa.'

The course charted by Zia eventually mutated into becoming a destructive and highly polarising legacy that the state, politics and society of Pakistan has been battling with till this day.

But the irony is that none of what went down in the name of faith and 'Islamisation' during and after the Zia dictatorship was witnessed by the ideologue who had first inspired it, because Maududi passed away in 1979.

Not an all-out conservative — Maududi's existential journey

In all the noise that Maududi's career as a scholar, ideologue and politician generated, what got lost was the crucial fact that unlike most of today's Islamic scholars and leaders, Maududi did not emerge from an entirely conservative background.

His personal history is a rather fascinating story of a man who, after suffering from spats of existential crises, chose to interpret Islam as a political theory to address his own dilemmas.

He did not come raging out of a madressah, swinging a fist at the vulgarities of the modern world. On the contrary, he was born into a family in the town of Auranganad in colonial India that had relations with the modern and enlightened Muslim scholar, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan.

Syed Ahmed Khan was one of the earliest architects of Muslim Nationalism in India — a nationalism that attempted to create a robust Muslim middle-class in India that was well-versed in the sciences, arts and politics of Europe, as well as in the more rational and progressive understanding of Islam. It was for this very purpose that he formed the MAO college (later known as Aligarh University).

Syed Ahmed convinced Maududi's father, Ahmed Hassan, to join the college against the wishes of Maududi's conservative paternal grandfather.

Incensed by the fact that his son had begun to wear 'Western clothes' and play cricket, Hassan's father pulled him out of the college and got him lectured by various clerics and ulema on how he was going against his faith by 'being overwhelmed by western lifestyle.'

Hassan soon renounced everything that had attracted him at the college and became extremely conservative and religious. When Maududi was born (1903), Hassan pledged not to give his son a western education.

So Maududi received his early education at home through private tutors who taught him the Quran, Hadith, Arabic and Persian. At age 12 Maududi, was sent to the Oriental High School whose curriculum had been designed by famous Islamic scholar, Shibli Nomani.

Apart from teaching Islamic law and tradition to the students, the school also taught Mathematics and English. Maududi then moved to an Islamic college, Darul Aloom, in Hyderabad. But he had to cut short his college education when his father fell sick and he had to travel to Bhopal to visit him. In Bhopal, the young Maududi befriended Urdu poet and writer, Niaz Fatehpuri.

Fatehpuri's writings and poetry were highly critical of conservative Muslims and the orthodox Muslim clergy, and on a number of occasions, various ulema had declared him to be a 'heretic.' But Fatehpuri soldiered on and had already begun to make a name for himself in Urdu literary circles when he met Maududi.

Inspired by Fatehpuri's writing style, Maududi too decided to become a writer. In 1919, the then 17-year-old Maududi moved to Delhi, where for the first time he began to study the works of Syed Ahmed Khan in full. This led to the study of major works of philosophy, sociology, history and politics by leading European thinkers and writers.

Maududi is said to have spent about five years reading books and essays authored by famous European philosophers, political scientists and historians, and he emerged from this vigorous exercise a man who claimed to have found the reason behind the rise of the West (and the fall of Muslim empires).

By now, he had also begun to write columns for Urdu newspapers. In one of his articles, he listed the names of those European scholars whose works and ideas, according to him, had shaped the rise of Western civilisation. The scholars that he mentioned in his list included Russian materialist philosopher, Hegel; British economist, Adam Smith; revolutionary French writers, Rousseau and Voltaire; pioneering evolutionist and biologist, Charles Darwin and many others.

With this article, he began to shape a narrative through his columns in which he emphasised the need (for Muslims) to study and understand Western political thought and philosophy and to 'master their sciences.' He said that one could not challenge anything that one did not understand.

It was also during this period that Maududi began to exhibit an interest in Marxism. At age 25, he became an admirer of the time's leading Marxist intellectual in India, Abdul Sattar Khairi, and then befriended famous progressive Urdu poet, Josh Malihabadi.

By the early 1930s, Maududi was living the life of a studious young man and journalist who also enjoyed watching films in the newly emerging cinemas of India and listening to songs. He married an independent-minded girl, Mehmuda, who was educated at a missionary school in Delhi, wore modern dresses and owned her own bicycle! There was no bar on her to wear a burqa.

Despite all this, Maududi did retain some link with his past as the son of a very conservative man. In his quest to revive the lost tradition of Muslim intellectualism, he had also come close to India's main party of Sunni Deobandi Muslims, the Jamiat Ulema-i-Hind (JUH).

But at the same time, he also expressed admiration for the political and spiritual leader, Mahatma Gandhi. Though he never joined Gandhi's Indian National Congress (INC) himself, he did urge other Muslims to join it in his articles. He also authored biographies of Gandhi and another Congress ideologue, Pundit Malaviya.

Maududi was greatly dismayed by the breakup of the Ottoman Empire in Turkey, and he blamed Turkish nationalists for it. When INC began to talk about an 'Indian Nationalism', something snapped in Maududi.

He had devoured every book on Western philosophy and history, but when the Ottoman Empire collapsed at the hands of Turkish nationalists, Maududi realised he had been highly underrating the power of modern nationalism all this time. This was one European concept he was not too familiar with.

Disenchanted by the Congress' Indian Nationalism and JUH's alliance with the party, Maududi retreated to the life of a husband who spent most of his time with his family, books, the occasional film and classical and semi-classical songs performed on stage.

In 1938, he bumped into Manzoor Nomani, a prominent Islamic scholar, who admonished him for distancing himself from his father's legacy, for not having a beard and living the life of a rudderless Muslim.

Already disappointed with the way the concept of nationalism was taking root in the minds of the Hindus and Muslims of India, Maududi retired back to his library, but this time to study Islam.

He now emerged with the theory that it wasn't really the greatness of modern Western thought that had been entirely responsible for the rise of European political power, but it was due to lack of conviction of the Muslims to practice their faith in the right manner that had triggered their fall and made room for European powers to enter.

In 1937, he vehemently attacked the INC's nationalism, accusing it of trying to subjugate the Muslims of India, but by the early 1940s he was being equally critical of Jinnah's All India Muslim League and of Muslim Nationalism.

He declared the League to be 'a party of pagans' and 'nominal Muslims' who wanted to create a secular country in the name of Pakistan.

Maududi's vehement attacks could not stop the sudden momentum that the League gained in 1946 and that helped it form an independent Muslim country in 1947.

In another ironic move, Maududi decided to leave India and head for a country that to him was an abomination and abode of nominal Muslims and the jahiliya. He began his political career in Pakistan in 1949, and it lasted on till 1979, when he passed away from illness in a US hospital. His funeral in Lahore was attended by thousands of admirers.

The many Maududis

Writing in the 'Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought', Irfan Ahmed suggests that there was not one Maududi but many.

By this, he meant that as a scholar and ideologue, Maududi's views were often derivatives of phases in his existential journey; one that saw him depart from the conservatism his father had tried to impose upon him and wholeheartedly embrace the freshness of European philosophical and political thought.

Maududi then bounced between Indian Marxism and the anti-colonial stances of Gandhi and Deobandi ulema (JUH), before settling for a quiet urban middle-class family life. But incensed by the rise of Muslim Nationalism, Maududi finally found his calling in the project of interpreting Islam's holy texts in a political light, and emerging with a complex theory that we now call Political Islam (aka 'Islamism').

Elements of organisational Leninism, Hegel's dualism, Jalaluddin Afghani's Pan-Islamism and various other modern political theories can be found in his innovative thesis, and that's why his thoughts not only managed to appeal to modern conservative Muslim movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood and populist youth outfits such as the Islami Jamiat Taleba, but even the mujahideen who fought Soviet forces in Afghanistan all the way to the more anarchic (if not entirely nihilistic) ways of men such as Osama Bin Laden.

But the question is, had Maududi been alive today, which one of the many Maududis out there would he have been most comfortable with?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jan 2015 16:26

Pak-US strategic dialogue to be held in Islamabad this month

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Jan 2015 16:54

1. Factual inaccuracy in Tarek Fateh's narration:

(BTW, Tarek Fateh is not quite as liberal as one might think. He blocked me on twitter long ago for pointing out some other factual inaccuracy).

Tarek Fateh says that the Khan of Kalat was killed by the Pakistani army when they took over Kalat. That is not true.

2. Regarding Kalat as an independent state:
http://thepartitionofindia.blogspot.com ... at-as.html

3. The Mass Graves in Khuzdar: From January 27, 2014:
https://baluchsarmachar.wordpress.com/2 ... lochistan/

As the news of the mass grave spread throughout the district people gathered there and started digging in the nearby area where they found two more mass graves. In total 103 bodies were recovered from the graves. The bodies were too decomposed to be identified. From the three mass graves 17, 8 and 78 bodies were found but the local people say that a total of 169 bodies have been found. People have witnessed more than 100 human bodies in Tootak while they were digging the area. However, Pakistani military forces stopped the local people from unearthing the mass graves and took control of the area. Now, no one is allowed access to the location except military personnel.

According to the media, a security official who spoke on condition of anonymity said so far they have found around 56 unidentified graves and that there are many more. It is claimed that these bodies are those of Baloch missing persons.

The confirmation by government officials that over one dozen bullet-riddled bodies have been dumped in unmarked graves — many of them considered to be mass graves — in Balochistan has exposed the gross human rights abuses perpetrated by the security forces over the years in a bid to suppress a popular uprising against the government.

It is feared that more mass graves will be found in the coming days. However, the Pakistan Army, in order to hide its crimes, is not allowing any civilian or media outlets to visit the area. Anyone trying to gain access to the area comes under live fire by the Army. It is believed that the genocide of Balochis is one of the biggest mass killings of the 21st century.

I guess we need not quibble whether it was 169 or 500.
About how many children are missing in Balochistan, whether in the mass grave or not, this from July 2014:
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/mas ... istan-346/

Mama Qadeer Baloch, vice chairman of the Voice for Baloch Missing Persons, states that the number of dead bodies found in mass graves in Khuzdar is more than 165. Previously, Mama Qadeer Baloch led a long march for the recovery of Baloch missing persons. According to Qadeer Baloch approximately 1,500 persons were killed and more than 18,000 were missing from Balochistan including 170 females and 169 children.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jan 2015 16:56

Chandragupta wrote:The downfall of Islam will begin when Pakistan is split into multiple nations and one of those nations (Sindh? Balochistan?) will dump Islam in mass & blame it on their poor condition and abuse it / expose it in front of the world for what it truly is - a tribal cult, an Arabic design for imperialism. They need to come out & say how they became Muslims by raping, pillaging Arabic warlords and how they want to go back to their own indigenous culture & way of life. That day will cause ripples among the Indian Muslims as well.

Actually there will be many many Subcontinentals who would be willing to dump Islam, but they need to be able to make a case to their peers, that their Islamic leaders are weak and cannot protect even themselves from the wrath of the Hindus, so how can those so-called leaders protect them. Aam Abduls only need a nudge, but they all desire that the Islamic ghazis and mullahs do not have any capacity left to intimidate them.

The Khauf of apostasy, can only be broken, if the Khaufnaaks are made to feel a higher Khauf of Kufr!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Jan 2015 17:29

Ceasefire violation: Rajnath Singh adopts tit-for-tat policy; says no one can dare cast an evil eye on India

Total of 5 Pakis killed.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Jan 2015 17:58

ritesh wrote:AoA......

http://nation.com.pk/national/01-Jan-20 ... alochistan

This was the first polio case to be reported in 2015 in the country.
"At this point in time, we cannot say whether the parents had refused polio drops," sources said.

This is what Tarek Fateh will not talk about. Polio is spread by Pakis all over the world, wherever they go. And in turn, every country welcomes pakis with polio drops. The new year is the same.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Jan 2015 19:54

sanjaykumarJi, Thx I will watch that video by Fateh. Actually, I did see an interview he gave to a Canadian news channel a few days after TSPA terrorists' kith and kin were slaughtered by their former buddies.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Jan 2015 20:14

SSridhar wrote:Pak-US strategic dialogue to be held in Islamabad this month

SSJi, lets get to the bottom line sir as I believe you have all the facts at your command. TSP does a lot a brazen equal equal on 26/11, and that itself tells how much it is toying with India. But the one equal equal that somewhat sticks, thanks to MMS/Sonia, is Samjautha express.

Now, two "facts" stand out: 1) UN itself, and if I am not mistaken even US stated dept, reported that Samjautha was an attack by LeT, 2) It is also a fact that MMS/Sonia rounded up col ProHit or AssemAnanda and with DDM made a humongous, shameful, self-loathing, cowardly cry about "Hindu terrorism", completely taking away the focus from TSP.

So whether we like it or not, MMS/Sonia have given TSP a stick to beat India with. There is no denying that. Of course, that TSP would have found another equal equal is another matter, this equal equal was officially sanctioned by MMS/Sonia. And I recall, even US "Sooth Asia" experts cite MMS/Sonia's Samjautha gift to TSP to say "both sides" must cooperate on terrorism.

So questions I have for you are, when it is obvious that TSP has no intention to do anything about TSP, why does India still insist? What is the real truth behind Samjautha, and why does India not challenge TSP, even under ModiJi, on Samjautha. Is it just not worth wasting time responding to TSP on Samjuatha once MMS/Sonia have given them that opening?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 01 Jan 2015 23:48

And I recall, even US "Sooth Asia" experts cite MMS/Sonia's Samjautha gift to TSP to say "both sides" must cooperate on terrorism.

I think we have shown one card on table which is kufr ki thappad kaa jawaab nahi. So we need to call the bluff on USA's equal==equal/cooperation/balancing-sooth-asia/selective-sanctions et all as there are right people in the govt.

We need to push "kufr kaa khauf" right through the heart of barbarians and present that fate accompli to the world, sooner rather than later. It is us who have let one front of the two front war scenario survive under excuses.

We need to finish the jihadi dogs of fourfathers and not let it die in any secular coochiecoo & blame the heathen tamsha. Otherwise we spill our blood and propagandist will present all credit to seculars - only in certain fashions and not in other way. If you notice, kufr killing the green bious is news, not other way around. It is the same as greener winning over less green is news. This BS that supports barbarism of bious (and hides victory of good over evil) is passed off as an axiom - dog biting man is not news but man biting dog is news. See?

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 01 Jan 2015 23:52

To those who think Pakistan is going to collapse are waiting for assadfall. This example is very relevant here because Assad has shown how a greatly weakened armed force with support of air force and attack helicopters can be very effective against an insurgency.
The same model is used by TSPA especially in controlling the areas of FATA Baluchistan even shia areas of pok.
In many of these area the only symbol of presence of government of Pakistan is the ability of TSPA to wreak havoc on the population. Even if the people rebel they will be crushed using artillery and airforce.
In one of the night watch analysis there was a description that for an insurgency to succeed it has to be followed up by a traditional armed forces attack. The most critical example is of Bangladesh creation. A no fly zone will be critical for such an attempt to succeed.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Jan 2015 01:13

Difference between Assad and Bakistan is in the word : Assad. There is no Assad in Bakistan. There is no single entity under whom everyone assembles.

There is no one in Assad's army (AFAIK) who would attempt to hijack a frigate and launch an attack on Assad himself, but Bakis have already done it. The reason for why it is so in Bakistan is simple: Assad's army has an identity, they are Syrians first and then they are Shia and then they are Muslims.

Bakistani army is largely Punjabi. Technically TSPA has that identity, but they have rejected it and are busy in search for an imaginary identity to be downloaded through the four-fathers via the literal interpretation of a war manual like Koran. In such a case, there is no way the entire army of Bakistan can assemble under one leader. If it does it will only be temporary and it will soon reach to its default state of constant turmoil, revolts, coups and mutinies.

Right now, the old Bakjabi identity is still around to some extent and it provides the STFUPA a fig leaf to cover its rotting, worm infested behinds. But that fig leaf is constantly being eroded by more Islam. There are a lot of younger beards who see the older beards as too feminine and too fragile. And the younger beards have a ready made solution: More Islam.

Give it another 10 - 15 years when the younger bearded Naiks become white-bearded Brigadiers. It will be the movie event of the century.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Jan 2015 01:15

One doesn't need to ask TSP as to what their strategy is. One just needs to listen to PDP and Cong traitors in India and you will realize that the reason for TSP hanky panky on the LoC is to demand "p!ss process" resumption from India. And who better to embarrass ModiJi than "Indians" like Cong and PDP? Here is TSP waging a war on India, and these traitors true to form sing TSP's tune.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ity/350729

I am not paranoid, but I will bet my last penny that it is TSPA/ISI that is holding Mufti by his b@lls and dictating what they do regarding govt formation. Basically to get BJP in the govt, but with PDP-led traitors at the helm, and with support from NCP & Cong make all kinds of demands at the behest of TSP. And with BJP in the govt in J&K, they will have to go along, "democracy" onlee. Or at least so is TSP's calculation.

On one practical point, I think PDP has a point, and so does Radha Kumar. And that is whenever TSP ups the ante, this new policy of firing back and punishing TSP is fine, but it is the Kashmiris who bear the brunt of the damage. And this has to stop. No point saying TSP fired and we fired back. Of course, stopping TSP is easier said than done, but certainly kissing up to TSP as the PDP and Cong demand is not the answer, its more an expressing of sympathy with TSP.

And I am f(cking sick and tired of BJP Vs Cong on who did worse regarding TSP. Imagine the laughter TSPA/ISI must be having each time they kill our people, violate the cease-fire, spite India, and you have BJP and Cong going on a bean counting binge on who did worse, and that too with DDM inviting some RAPE scum to add salt to injury.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jan 2015 02:16

Some Paki stats:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/0 ... an-in-2014

ISLAMABAD: At least 824 people were killed and 2,339 others injured in 372 bomb attacks, including 26 suicide bombings, that occurred across Pakistan during 2014, according to official statistics.

According to the data, the suicide attacks killed 249 people and left 582 wounded in different areas of the country last year. In 2014, the number of suicide attacks dropped by 34 percent from the year of 2013 when 39 suicide blasts took place.

Terrorists staged 21 suicide attacks during the first six months of the year, seven in January, six in February, one each in March and April, two in May and four in June, which killed 163 people and injure 348 others. But the number of suicide attacks dropped in the second part of the year after the launch of the military operation “Zarb-e-Azb” against militants in the country’s northwestern tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

During the second half of the year, terrorists carried out only five suicide attacks that killed 86 people and left 234 wounded.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Jan 2015 02:55

habal wrote:On one extreme is Tarek Fatah and on the other end is the Mubashir Kookman genius who has everything figured out and has cooked up the latest conspiracy for Peshawar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjHFnAjElM
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Mubashir Luqman is the only Pakistani patriot in Pakistan and breathes the rarified air as that of his compatriots in Pakistan army. Khushboo-e-zamzam-islami-oud-al-haramain-attar.

Man. I thought I had seen all of this jokers antics, this one takes the cake. He seems to have a big square shaped danda up his musharraf so deep that he has gotten a heartburn from it.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 02 Jan 2015 03:55

^^ At 12, there is an Indian report of how 9 commandos chosen by RAW were in place to take out Dawood but op was called out. Passports from other countries means these guys were non Pak and were SF. Just shows if that we so choose we too can strike Pak hard. It has been a political decision not to do so.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Jan 2015 04:13

It was during last December or so, which means UPA govt. There are three questions here, partially internal to India (probably belong to Internal security thread):
1) Who pulled the plug?
2) Who gave the go ahead to start this mission?
3) Why are they making it public now?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 02 Jan 2015 04:27

I can answer 3 and the more astute folks can answer 1 and 2.
Re 3 The Indian media gives a sh!t about national security and will release any operational details (See the a$$holes even mentioning the countries from which passports were used) for their own benefit. And there are enough glory hounds in our babus who will release these details to get importance (just see the number of leaks that come out after each terror investigation, almost like a dont do this next time). Its bizarre, shameful and completely reflective of our system.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jan 2015 05:10

TTP vowing to bring more Islam to Al-Pakistan

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Jan 2015 06:18

India hits back, Pakistan seeks talks

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 02 Jan 2015 06:23

Kudos to the new GoI which seems to be a true GoI!

“They were forced to call us for a flag meeting and even tried to reach out to the DGMO and the defence secretary. When that failed, they contacted DIG, BSF in Delhi. This time, we resorted to five times heavy firing,” said a senior BSF official. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... ouhAt.dpuf

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 02 Jan 2015 06:27

Look at the attitude of the scumbags

The BSF retaliated by killing the Rangers whose bodies were seen lying in the open for some time. Taken aback by strong retaliation from the Indian side, the Rangers after sometime waved white flags from their posts so that they could retrieve the bodies of their deceased personnel. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... U7G4J.dpuf

So they kill an Indian soldier. But think we wont retaliate. Brainwashed idiots encouraged by the previous INC Govts pusillanimity in order to win the great MMS a no Bull peace prize.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 02 Jan 2015 07:09

^^^ It will be the long term sustained policy on border from what it looks like. However, I suggest a few more active steps / Indian initiatives to help Pakistan along the way:
a) Unprovoked firing from our side at random locations. A field testing range for all the Guns we are planning while target shooting on the Paki posts.
b) Constant violation of Paki airspace by drones and choppers etc.
c) Territory creep wherever possible in to the TSP not just our land of J & K.
d) Disturb the peace, at our choice of time and place and not theirs. For a change let them guess.
e) Call their Diplomat for dressing down every time Peace is disturbed.

P.S.: No more 'good boy' but the irritant who breaks the neighbours windows.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jan 2015 07:50

Pakistanis are expecting a strong thappad from Mr Doval.
So this hue and cry at TTP murdering their fauji kids
That murder along with all murders in Pakistan is a very sad thing to happen, shows how little respect for human life these sarkari and nonsarkari terrorists have.
Nevertheless, the establishment is using India bashing for two purposes
1. To try to cull a nationalist fervor in favor of the fauj
2. Fully expecting a thappad from India for their haramigiri elsewhere, they want to be able to tell their awam 'I told you so'. Awam knows their fauj did haramigiri - awam even enjoyed when Indians suffered.

Funny thing is that awam will enjoy even more when the fauj gets that thappad from India.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Jan 2015 07:52

From a Paki rag

Pakistan questions progress in Samjhota Express attack probe

* FO rejects unnecessary Indian propaganda over bail of Lakhvi * India told to investigate Shakargarh firing incident and give exemplary punishments to those responsible

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 02 Jan 2015 09:46

Lokeshc ji,
As long as the less green force will have helos and jets they will be able to dominate the more green or the rebels in Baluchistan.
While I see a few navy guys defecting to move green, wholesale shift of TSPAF AND TSPA aviation corps to more green is highly unlikely in near to midterm future. As long as that does not happen, the collapse of stfup is ==assadfall. The main point is integrity and loyalty of forces controlling airpower, this has nothing to do with leader like Assad, bad Sharif will suffice for this purpose.