Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

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Postby shiv » 08 Feb 2015 06:46

Tuvaluan wrote:
Yes, Shivji, that is not easy, especially for pakis. However, the chinese definitely have the capability to build such bridges since they have done so in the mainland, which makes me suspect that they do not really want a land route into China from Pakiland, since the reports on KKH say that the Chinese reconstructed the rest of the KKH that did not really need fixing, but left out the part that is crucial to establish connectivity between East Turkestan/N.Himachal Pradesh (a.k.a. Xinjiang) and pakistan.

I think the problem is one of crumbly mountains, earthquakes and landslides. I have been trying to follow the progress of this road after the lake got blocked and in the last year or so there was news of the lake simply getting bigger and the drainage channels to drain the lake were not working. How much progress the Chinese have made in terms of tunnels and bridges remains a mystery. You can be sure that Pakis are paying nothing and are probably expecting to collect rent on the road.

I get the impression that at least some aspects of the Paki-China relationship is now the Chinese "saving face" and pretending as if it is of great benefit to them - because they don't want to be laughed at - especially by India and then asked to vacate that bit of PoK they hold. That bit of PoK I think was something that the Pakis knew they would be unable to access, control or build upon so the gladly handed it to the Cheenis. the Cheenis are talking about mining and Uranium etc there - but I don't know the status.

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Postby member_28921 » 08 Feb 2015 08:33

http://tribune.com.pk/story/834275/salm ... arguments/

"The hearing of appeal of Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed killer of Punjab governor Salman Taseer, took an interesting turn on Friday, when the Islamabad High Court (IHC) remarked that even a judge cannot touch an accused after awarding him punishment, yet the defence counsel insisted that a person can kill another person under unusual circumstances.
When the two-member bench, comprising Justice Noorul Haq N Qureshi and Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, resumed hearing in the case on Friday, Justice Siddiqui questioned whether the case should be decided on the basis of emotions or the letter of the law."


I think the judges are themselves worried about being bumped off under unusual circumstances. To use a bit of management jargon, this is a win-win for the jihadis, and a no-win for the Baki establishment, no matter which way it goes.

Am guessing the only face-saver left for the Baki government is to declare the man was temporarily insane and put him for observation in an asylum within the asylum.

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Postby arun » 08 Feb 2015 08:55

X Posted from the Balwaristan thread.

BJP highlights sufferings of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir in rare statement to OIC... and says Kashmiris 'have faith in Indian democracy':

Read more:

Daily Mail

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby jash_p » 08 Feb 2015 09:18

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 150756.cms
Pakistan high commissioner Abdul Basit to meet new foreign secretary S Jaishankar to revive talks
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NEW DELHI: Pakistan high commissioner Abdul Basit will call on foreign secretary S Jaishankar next week to explore the possibility of relaunching the bilateral dialogue that was suspended by India last year after the envoy met separatist Hurriyat leaders.

Although officials in the Pakistan government told ET that Basit will make a courtesy call on the new foreign secretary, there are expectations in some quarters that talks could be revived as new secretary could suggest ideas to government to relaunch talks.

The Sharif government has been sending feelers over the past few months to restart the dialogue, officials said, even as India has maintained that talks can only be held in an atmosphere free of violence and after Pakistan takes action against terrorists operating from its soil.

India has shown no interest in reviving talks since August last year, with Modi only exchanging greetings with Sharif at the SAARC Summit in Kathmandu.



Was it not Abdul Sattar said we will not request for talk but India will approach us and then we will talk in which kashmir issue must be addressed with all other matters otherwise no talk is possible.?

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Postby jash_p » 08 Feb 2015 09:18

sorry duplicate

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Postby arun » 08 Feb 2015 09:21

As the Amazing Mumford may have said, Ala Ham Sandwiches !

Jammu & Kashmir is not the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “Jaguar Vein” after all.

Saima Baig writing in The Nation:

Kashmir is not Pakistan’s ‘jugular vein’

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Postby JE Menon » 08 Feb 2015 10:11

^^the comments section is interesting, but being quickly edited as well - catch it while you can - Paks, Indians, PO Kashmiris, J & Kashmiris, are all there...

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Postby Baikul » 08 Feb 2015 10:12

rajsunder wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:Hai Ahmadiyya community !! Neither India cares for your Paki brides nor Pakis want you alive.
What was that saying "dhobi ka.."

karma is a b!atch, they are paying for creating bakistan.


As more time passes, I think maybe we should thank them for creating Pakistan, the sump to collect - and hopeful hold- all sub-continental garbage.

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Postby Kashi » 08 Feb 2015 10:59

Baikul wrote:As more time passes, I think maybe we should thank them for creating Pakistan, the sump to collect - and hopeful hold- all sub-continental garbage.


If only that were true. But I agree with the posts above- It's karma indeed and ironically the land of dharma which they sought to forsake, divide and plunder is where they seek solace an protection.

To hell with them.
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Postby pankajs » 08 Feb 2015 12:10

Some details on Attabad lake for interested folks. From March 2014 but I would suggest the data represents status at the end of 2013.
http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/arti ... /3010/2836
Impact of Attabad lake

* The slide has covered an area of 1.5-2 km along the river.
* Horizontal spread is 350-400 m
* Vertical spread is 130-200 m
* Volume of 1.7 billion cu. ft. i.e so thick that without man made effort possibility of water seepage downstream is nil.
* Approx. 2 km of KKH came under the think land mass

* A spillway had been constructed
* At that time lake width was 300-700 m and length of 22 km
* With a 30 m deep spillway 50% of the inundate area has been reclaimed but the lake is still 11 km long
* Trade has resumed by sailing the goods across the lake but because of logistics issue it is down to one fourth of the pre landslide days.

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Postby kancha » 08 Feb 2015 13:03

ramana wrote:Gagan, Please use this thread which has been in there for some time.

Thanks,

ramana


TSP -Multimedia Links

kancha, You can help by x-posting the videos you found useful.


Done

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Postby Shreeman » 08 Feb 2015 13:38

pankajs wrote:Some details on Attabad lake for interested folks. From March 2014 but I would suggest the data represents status at the end of 2013.
http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/arti ... /3010/2836
Impact of Attabad lake

* The slide has covered an area of 1.5-2 km along the river.
* Horizontal spread is 350-400 m
* Vertical spread is 130-200 m
* Volume of 1.7 billion cu. ft. i.e so thick that without man made effort possibility of water seepage downstream is nil.
* Approx. 2 km of KKH came under the think land mass

* A spillway had been constructed
* At that time lake width was 300-700 m and length of 22 km
* With a 30 m deep spillway 50% of the inundate area has been reclaimed but the lake is still 11 km long
* Trade has resumed by sailing the goods across the lake but because of logistics issue it is down to one fourth of the pre landslide days.


Check up on more recent developments. This is old. China put in a lot of effort in restoring connectivity.

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Postby sudhan » 08 Feb 2015 16:46

wadi wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/834275/salmaan-taseer-murder-ihc-dumps-qadris-defence-arguments/

"The hearing of appeal of Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed killer of Punjab governor Salman Taseer, took an interesting turn on Friday, when the Islamabad High Court (IHC) remarked that even a judge cannot touch an accused after awarding him punishment, yet the defence counsel insisted that a person can kill another person under unusual circumstances.
When the two-member bench, comprising Justice Noorul Haq N Qureshi and Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui, resumed hearing in the case on Friday, Justice Siddiqui questioned whether the case should be decided on the basis of emotions or the letter of the law."




My my.. What is going on here, hain ji? I am sure the learned maulaners here remember this name.. Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui. He is the same Mard who tried to launch his mijjile by slobbering all over Mumtaz Qadri when he was produced in court for the hearing.. :mrgreen:

Mumtaz Qadri Lover then

Mumtaz Qadri Lover now

Obviously, the pooch here is, why is the hon'ble jushtish trying to throw a spanner in the defence argument?

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Postby Paul » 08 Feb 2015 17:08

A satire on Pakistan's passage over the past 60 yrs. Recommended watch

[youtube]watch?v=mgbIYao_new[/youtube]

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Feb 2015 18:01

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/4 ... n-minister
SLAMABAD - Pakistani exports to the European Union increased by more than a billion dollars after a landmark trade deal last year which made its products more competitive, the commerce minister told AFP.

The EU signed a law in late 2013 granting Pakistan so-called "GSP-plus" status, which means firms pay no tax on certain categories of goods exported to the 27-nation bloc for 10 years.

The EU makes GSP-plus conditional on implementing international conventions on human and labour rights, and there have been fears Pakistan's decision to end a moratorium on executions could affect the deal.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby vishvak » 08 Feb 2015 19:25

So, Pax-Romana actually meant pakistan-Romana! Alexander the Great ... must be allah's total meherbani from the past.

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Postby Prem » 08 Feb 2015 22:58

India and Pakistan suspend trade after drug trafficking incident
MUZAFFRABAD- India and Pakistan have now suspended trade across the border in the disputed territory of Kashmir after Indian authorities detained a truck driver accused of drug trafficking, Pakistani officials said today.Kashmir has been divided between India and Pakistan since the two countries won independence from Britain in 1947. Barter trade across the de facto border began in 2008 as part of peace efforts but it is frequently disrupted over disputes.“We were informed by the Indian authorities on Friday evening that they have stopped 22 Pakistani trucks which crossed the Line of Control earlier that day,” Basharat Iqbal, trade facilitation officer told.Imtiaz Wayen, director-general of AJK’s trade and travel authority, said India was not entitled to stop Pakistani drivers on grounds of smuggling.“According to our agreement, they are bound to hand over that item and the relevant truck driver to us for further action,” he said.“We have informed the officials of the ministry of foreign affairs about this matter and have asked them to take up this issue,” he concluded.


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Postby RajeshG » 09 Feb 2015 00:56

Paul that is scathing. Did this really air on BBC ? bakshu... :rotfl:

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Postby Paul » 09 Feb 2015 01:00

It looks like a radio show which BBC aired.

Nasim Zehra ‏@NasimZehra 1m1 minute ago
Shockd/angry at MQM ldr AltafHusain hurling abuse at ShirinMazari in his jalsa.As a self-respecting Pakistani I demand he publicly apologise

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Postby Karan M » 09 Feb 2015 02:31

Holy wow what a satire. But as usual shows TSP as a victim not a willing participant.

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Postby Anujan » 09 Feb 2015 02:55

Why cant Pakistan army travel to China and march for President Eleven there?

They will be much safer than marching in Pakistan, they can bill China for the expense and the Chinese can inspect how their money is being spent. The icing on the cake is that Pakistan army doesnt need to Salute Nawaz and can salute President Eleven and keep their H&D intact.

This will also be a world's first for Country A's army marching in Country B for Country A's national day. Pakistan can get into world record books for doing so.

Win-win all around.

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Postby Karan M » 09 Feb 2015 02:58

I am told best marching contingents have their members all given their bery own pork farm.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Anantha » 09 Feb 2015 03:35

Why 5th Feb is Kashmir day. The guy at 2.47 takes the cake

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Postby shiv » 09 Feb 2015 05:13

Anujan wrote:Why cant Pakistan army travel to China and march for President Eleven there?

They will be much safer than marching in Pakistan, they can bill China for the expense and the Chinese can inspect how their money is being spent. The icing on the cake is that Pakistan army doesnt need to Salute Nawaz and can salute President Eleven and keep their H&D intact.

This will also be a world's first for Country A's army marching in Country B for Country A's national day. Pakistan can get into world record books for doing so.

Win-win all around.

This is a brilliant idea! 72 more goats for you. In fact the Paki soldiers need not even take any equipment - which they can borrow from the Chinese since they use a lot of Chinese stuff anyway. Pakistan day can be celebrated in Tienanmen square.

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Postby Shreeman » 09 Feb 2015 05:34

^^^ Its not musharraf who had the problem landing the plane. If they go without equipment, they might not be let back in on return by those left behind. If they go with equipment (even if this was possible), they leave kashmir open to hanud-e-yahud takeover. Also with everyone gone for a week, the national bird will have a field day.

Good idea, but just hawaii pulao, not 72 goat worthy, in imho.

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Postby shiv » 09 Feb 2015 05:44

Shreeman wrote:^^^ Its not musharraf who had the problem landing the plane. If they go without equipment, they might not be let back in on return by those left behind. If they go with equipment (even if this was possible), they leave kashmir open to hanud-e-yahud takeover. Also with everyone gone for a week, the national bird will have a field day.

Good idea, but just hawaii pulao, not 72 goat worthy, in imho.

It is haraam to think of anything that might happen more than two days ahead. It is called astrology and only Yindoos like you do it. Thank God for Pakistan. BURUR

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Postby Shreeman » 09 Feb 2015 06:09

It takes more than two days to travel to Beking by camel. Thank you very much. Can not go.

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Postby Amber G. » 09 Feb 2015 08:42

Anujan wrote:Why cant Pakistan army travel to China and march for President Eleven there?

They will be much safer than marching in Pakistan, they can bill China for the expense and the Chinese can inspect how their money is being spent. The icing on the cake is that Pakistan army doesnt need to Salute Nawaz and can salute President Eleven and keep their H&D intact.

This will also be a world's first for Country A's army marching in Country B for Country A's national day. Pakistan can get into world record books for doing so.

Win-win all around.


Brilliant... but one may have to wait till 2019 (The year of the pig)
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Postby wig » 09 Feb 2015 08:50

IMVHO we should avoid seeking MFN status. At J&K where cross border trade is encouraged time and again narcotic drugs are apprehended concealed in bags. I recall this route being used for FICN also. The consignments caught are too small considering the nature of trade I feel that larger consignments are sent across undetected

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Postby Prem » 09 Feb 2015 09:41

Chinese Shii have accepted The invitation of Pii for presiding over Parade if Paki serve him fresh Mushy Pork at noon and Mushy Poke for Dessert.

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Postby Prem » 09 Feb 2015 09:56

The challenge of the ‘Indo-Pacific’
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... do-Pacific

Until recently, the word Indo-Pacific was hardly known, except as a term used in marine biology to describe the tropical regions of the Indian and Pacific Oceans as a fish habitat. Now it is on the lips of every Indian strategist worth his salt. One of them speaks of the “Modi Doctrine for the Indo-Pacific region”. As a former Indian diplomat put it some time ago with obvious relish, “From a geopolitical perspective [the expression Indo-Pacific] represents the inclusion of the Western Pacific within the range of India’s security interests, thus stretching beyond the traditional focus on the Indian Ocean theatre”.The word as well as the concept, though, is of American provenance, just like another expression – ‘Act East’ – which Indian officials and commentators have embraced enthusiastically. Both terms gained currency following policy statements in 2010 and 2011 by the then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to underpin the notion that India is not just a large South Asian country but should also play a more active political and economic role in the Asia Pacific region ‘Indo-Pacific’ as a concept has also been adopted by Japan and Australia. For this purpose, Tokyo has coined the phrase ‘confluence of the seas’. American officials still use ‘Indo-Pacific’ only in the limited context of India, mostly when welcoming and encouraging Indian activity in the affairs of Asia Pacific. The first part of this particular hyphenation stands not for India though, as India’s great strategic minds might wish, but for the Indian Ocean.. But whatever happens to this term, there is not going to be any change in the American policy of giving India a geopolitical boost and helping it assert a bigger role for itself in the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean regions. This was also the purpose of the ‘Joint Strategic Vision of the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean region’ announced during Obama’s visit to India. The statement refers to this vast stretch of very diverse territory and ocean as a single region, though the word ‘Indo-Pacific’ is not used.
Much of the media comment on this statement has focused on the support expressed by India in it for “freedom of navigation and overflight throughout the region, especially in the South China Sea”, which is tilted against China’s position on the issue. For Pakistan, however, the importance of the US-India statement lies more in the fact that it amounts to a joint US-Indian project to help India expand its influence in the area “from Africa to East Asia”, which includes but is much wider than what India has traditionally claimed as its “extended neighbourhood”, a kind of Indian ‘Near Abroad’.Not surprisingly, China takes a very relaxed view of the Indian challenge and has shrugged it off rather dismissively. The Global Times, a newspaper run by the Chinese Communist Party, gave India some friendly advice not to fall into the trap of rivalry set by the west. The common interests that the two countries share, it said, are much bigger than any differences and they should see more space for cooperation instead of contention. Pakistan, on the other hand, cannot afford to ignore the Indian ambitions, now that they have the open backing of Washington. The Kashgar-Gwadar Economic Corridor should put a damper on India’s designs to dominate the area. But there is no reason for complacency, certainly not of the kind displayed by Sartaj Aziz in his comments on the US-India plan in his speech on January 29. Pakistan must also strengthen its links with countries of Asia Pacific, where Asia’s strategic and economic centre of gravity lies.Sartaj’s comments postulate that Asia is divided into two geopolitical halves: the eastern and the western. Sartaj does not say on which side of the dividing line South Asia lies. His is not just a very novel perspective, it is also completely wrong. The main geopolitical dividing line is between East Asia and South Asia, not between east and west. Central Asia is another distinct region. It has been appended to South Asia by the US State Department because Washington would like it to fall in the Indian political and economic orbit.Sartaj is also wrong in asserting that the US is keen to give India a boost “in the eastern half of Asia” only. The truth is that the US wishes to see India with an enhanced footprint in both South Asia and Central Asia. But because the region is land-locked, the US plans cannot go very far without the participation of Pakistan. That is why the US acknowledges, as Sartaj rightly said, that Pakistan has an indispensable role in promoting stability and facilitating connectivity in ‘Central and West Asia’.
Only a week later, India also won support for its Apec bid from China and Russia at a trilateral meeting of the foreign ministers of the three countries in Beijing. China’s support had in fact been signalled in an invitation extended last July by the Chinese president to Modi to visit China on the occasion of an Apec summit that China hosted last November. Having won the support of US, China and Russia, India’s admission is now assured. It is now expected that India will be formally admitted to Apec at the group’s next summit in Manila in November this year.But it is not just the prime minister’s fault. In two speeches last year on Pakistan’s foreign policy, Special Assistant Fatemi spoke of efforts to strengthen ties with Asean and the “Anzus region” (sic) – which is actually a military alliance not a region – but made no mention of Apec or the East Asia Summit, the two main Asia Pacific groupings. Maybe he mixed up Apec with Anzus.Pakistan will clearly have to do a lot of diplomatic heavy lifting, and soon, if it is to join Apec. The window of opportunity is going to close very shortly, because once India is admitted, it will get a veto on Pakistan’s admission. Our best chance to join Apec is when it opens the door slightly to let India in; and once we are admitted to Apec our chances of joining the East Asia Summit will improve greatly. So we should expect India to do its damnedest to keep Pakistan out of Apec.

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Postby Shreeman » 09 Feb 2015 10:09

Jhujar wrote:Chinese Shii have accepted The invitation of Pii for presiding over Parade if Paki serve him fresh Mushy Pork at noon and Mushy Poke for Dessert.


Some reports suggested that the Chinese president could be the chief guest at the joint military parade, which the government has decided to revive after a gap of seven years at Pakistan Day on March 23.

The spokesperson termed all such reports speculative. “We have repeatedly said that the Chinese president is expected to visit Pakistan in 2015. The exact dates of the visit are being worked out,” she added.


As of Feb 7.

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Postby jrjrao » 09 Feb 2015 10:58

The Pakistani bakwasi-in-chief in Washington DC calls in some ignorant dupe at the Washington Times, and begs the US to force India to talk to the Terrorist State.

"India is ignoring us, and we just can't live like that.......bwwwaaaaaaaaaaa.....". Hilarious (and pathetic):

Pakistani diplomat Jalil Abbas Jilani seeks increased U.S. pressure on India
While U.S. “cajoling” could open India to the initiative, Mr. Jilani said, the Obama administration’s increased attention to India appears to be having the opposite effect by essentially bolstering New Delhi’s confidence to continue ignoring Islamabad.

“If they don’t feel any pressure from any side, obviously they are a big country and they will say, ‘Why should we engage with a smaller country like Pakistan?’” the ambassador said.
....
“They were able to agree to the revival of the dialogue process at the level of foreign secretary and for absolutely no rhyme or reason — absolutely no rhyme or reason — the foreign secretary dialogue was canceled at the last minute,” Mr. Jilani said.

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Postby Baikul » 09 Feb 2015 11:13

Breaking: In a press release in Xinhua it has just now been clarified China had actually promised to send their national acrobatics and trampoline team Eleven Jumping to preside over the most strategic and frontline military parade in the war against terrorism.

Confirming this significant milestone in Sino-Pakistani relations, ISPR's Pakistani Major-General Asim Saleem Bajwa stated in a press conference that the highlight of the parade would be Eleven Jumping's symbolic leaps that would be taller than mountain and deeper than oceans.

While the route of the parade in Islamabad is yet to be published, we understand that advance copies of the route map may be collected from the offices of Maulana Fazlullah.

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Postby Philip » 09 Feb 2015 11:25

The radical cleric building a militia in the heart of Islamabad
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mabad.html
Maulana Abdul Aziz, the cleric of the Red Mosque and one of the most dangerous men in Pakistan, tells the Telegraph if the country does not implement Islamic law, he and his followers “will solve it”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mabad.html

He is one of the most dangerous men in Pakistan and is supposed to be in police detention.

Instead, as several thousand hardline Muslim worshippers knelt in prayer at the Red Mosque in the heart of Islamabad, the voice of Maulana Abdul Aziz called out over them defiantly.

Seven years ago, the radical cleric led heavily armed al-Qaeda gunmen in a bloody siege at the Red Mosque, or Lal Masjid in Urdu, which left more than a hundred children, soldiers and militants dead.

The brutal denouement, including the killing of his brother and son, set off a wave of Taliban suicide bombings which struck at the heart of Pakistan's military establishment.

Now Pakistan’s intelligence services believe he is building a new militia, grabbing land for more madrassas and preparing for another tilt at forcing the country to adopt strict Islamic law. Eyewitnesses said they had seen 30 to 40 heavily armed men from the militant group Sipah-e-Sahaba inside the mosque.

Once again, he is a reminder that one of the West's most important allies against the forces of terror has a problem dealing with militant voices even in the middle of its own capital. In December, a Pakistani court issued an arrest warrant for Aziz but the police have been unable to enforce it. “We are trying out best to implement it,” a police official said.

In an interview, Aziz cut a serene figure in a light brown robe, white turban and scholarly spectacles, but offered no comfort to Pakistan's government and those who regard him as the spiritual voice of the country's most deadly terrorists.

He described the massacre of staff at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo as the "correct" application of Sharia Law for their “blasphemous” cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. "Whoever disrespects our Prophet, the sentence is death", he said.

Aziz, whose wife has sworn allegiance to Isil, has close links both to Ayman al-Zawahiri, now the head of al-Qaeda, and the Afghan Taliban, who he represented in talks with Pakistan’s government last year. Students at the madrassa run by his wife in the Red Mosque complex study in the recently renamed Osama bin Laden Library.

He repeated his assertion that while the “brutal murder of young children” at Peshawar’s Army Public School “cannot be justified”, the killers were responding to offensives by the army in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

His words are familiar to regulars at Friday prayers, held in a leafy neighbourhood of Islamabad.

The only solution for Pakistan's problems, he continued, was for its government to adopt hardline sharia, including a ban on music and women appearing in public without covering their faces. And he gave a chilling warning. Unless the government implements his vision of Islamic law soon, he and his followers “will solve it”.

Pakistan's intelligence services believe he is in control of an armed militia. In a report seen by the Telegraph, a senior Inter-Services Intelligence official said: "It's evident that he is following an agenda of reviving Lal Masjid mafia in the heart of the federal capital. His links with the TTP [Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan] and land grabbers poses a security threat to law and order.”

ISI report on Aziz

It added that he had organised a militant wing, the Ghazi Force, operating under two Taliban leaders in the tribal areas.

Aziz has no regrets over the carnage at his mosque and continues to deny that there were gunmen in the complex, despite photographic evidence of militants firing machine guns from the roof and the 18 bodies of armed men, including Chechens, Egyptians and Afghans, that were later found by the security services.

The siege followed a violent campaign by stick-wielding female students from the madrassa who patrolled nearby streets in black burqas, kidnapped an alleged prostitute, harassed Chinese massage parlour staff and eventually torched a government ministry building. At one point, they attacked paramilitary troops and seized their weapons and radio equipment.

While it was the government's job to promote sharia, he said he would not rule out sending the madrassa girls on to the streets and into confrontation with the authorities again.

"If the government fails, that might happen," he said.

His defiance challenges the government’s repeated vows to fight terrorism in the wake of the Peshawar school attack. Since the killings in December, more than 8,000 people have been arrested and a number of terrorists executed. The government has begun verifying all mobile phone sim cards in the country - more than 100 million – to thwart communications.

According to Saifullah Mahsud Khan of the FATA Research Centre, an expert on Pakistan's tribal areas, Aziz's case reflects the limited ambition of the strategy: it isn't aimed at wiping out terrorist groups but to bring those it has encouraged in the past - fighting proxy wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir - back under its control.

“Pakistan's intelligence agencies have lost control of these proxies and the plan is to get in there, eradicate the foreign groups, Chechens, Arab fighters. Once the militants know the army can use its force, they'll come, over time, under control,” he said.

But arresting Aziz, despite his growing influence, deadly history and command over armed fighters, seems a step too far while the battle rages in the border areas.

"While this is going on what we don't want is to open a third front. We can pick this idiot up any time we want to but we don't want to pick on him now and his people start suicide bombing....if he stays away from the mosque we can live with that,” said a senior government official.

The government's biggest mistake was to allow the mosque to be rebuilt and Maulana Aziz to preach there, he conceded. But when it comes to religion, Pakistan had mixed feelings.

"We should not have allowed it to be rebuilt for any reason, but people thought they were doing a good job, a religious thing, and were guaranteed a place in heaven,” he said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby partha » 09 Feb 2015 11:36

jrjrao wrote:The Pakistani bakwasi-in-chief in Washington DC calls in some ignorant dupe at the Washington Times, and begs the US to force India to talk to the Terrorist State.

"India is ignoring us, and we just can't live like that.......bwwwaaaaaaaaaaa.....". Hilarious (and pathetic):

Pakistani diplomat Jalil Abbas Jilani seeks increased U.S. pressure on India
While U.S. “cajoling” could open India to the initiative, Mr. Jilani said, the Obama administration’s increased attention to India appears to be having the opposite effect by essentially bolstering New Delhi’s confidence to continue ignoring Islamabad.

“If they don’t feel any pressure from any side, obviously they are a big country and they will say, ‘Why should we engage with a smaller country like Pakistan?’” the ambassador said.


Modi Govt's ignore Pakistan policy has rattled the Pakis like anything :((

btw, Strategic Analyst Srinath Raghavan has put out his analysis of Modi Govt's foreign policy so far -
http://www.epw.in/system/files/pdf/2015_50/5/Modified_Foreign_Policy.pdf
Here is the part about Pakistan policy -
The gap between promise and performance has yawned wider with Pakistan. After a promising start with Nawaz Sharif’s visit to India, New Delhi has lapsed into its old assumption that talks should be seen as a reward for good behaviour by Pakistan. The decision to call off the foreign secretaries’ meeting last year was unnecessary. By so doing, the government conformed to the now familiar pattern of oscillation between high-level engagement and complete disengagement with Pakistan. Even a cursory glance at our record of dealing with Pakistan over the past decade and a half would suggest the bankruptcy of this approach. Yet, we persist with it by invoking the usual alibis of multiple power centres in Pakistan, and so on. More problematic are the indications that the government’s approach to Pakistan might be still more regressive. Several key members, including the defence minister, have claimed that India will respond strongly to any provocation by Pakistan. The national security advisor (NSA) is on the record as saying that the government’s stance towards Pakistan has shifted from a defensive posture to a defensive-offensive posture. The latter, he has explained, means that India will, if necessary, take the fight to Pakistan. As the NSA colourfully puts it, “You can do one Mumbai and you may lose Balochistan”. The braggadocio of such pronouncements aside, the strategic assumptions underpinning this stance need to be unpacked. The NSA claims that the nuclear context does not impinge on this defensive-offensive posture. Pakistan cannot use its nuclear shield to protect itself against India’s responses in this mode. Apparently, nuclear weapons only come into play if India adopts a purely offensive posture. At one level, this is simply wishful thinking based on a misapprehension of how escalation occurs during crises. At another level though, it is clear that the NSA is expressing the government’s willingness to use tit-for-tat “unconventional” responses vis-à-vis Pakistan. He may not be the first intelligence official to moot such ideas, but he is certainly the first NSA to publicly hint at such a response. Not only is the efficacy of such methods deeply dubious, the international opprobrium and reputational costs that they risk are considerable. It is worth recalling that after the Mumbai attacks of 2008 such ideas were floated only to be wisely struck down by the government. Then again, A J P Taylor may have been right: the only thing we learn from history is how to make new mistakes.


Every successive Indian Government has tried to talk with Pakistan and make peace. While we were talking, Kargil war, Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai 26/11 attacks and scores of other terror attacks across the country happened. So on what basis do strategic analysts like Srinath Raghavan say we should continue talking to Pakistan? Time for some experimentation w.r.t Pakistan and that's what Modi Govt is doing. At the most what can happen? war? bombings? 26/11 type attacks? All of which happened while India was talking to Pakistan. Modi's policy may very well fail but full marks for trying something different. Six months is too small a period of time to pass judgement so analysts should have some patience.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 09 Feb 2015 11:58

partha, I have contempt for the analyses of Srinath Raghavan. The above you have quoted is a sample. All his writings are in a similar vein on both China & Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby JE Menon » 09 Feb 2015 13:52

jrjrao wrote:The Pakistani bakwasi-in-chief in Washington DC calls in some ignorant dupe at the Washington Times, and begs the US to force India to talk to the Terrorist State.

"India is ignoring us, and we just can't live like that.......bwwwaaaaaaaaaaa.....". Hilarious (and pathetic):

Pakistani diplomat Jalil Abbas Jilani seeks increased U.S. pressure on India
While U.S. “cajoling” could open India to the initiative, Mr. Jilani said, the Obama administration’s increased attention to India appears to be having the opposite effect by essentially bolstering New Delhi’s confidence to continue ignoring Islamabad.

“If they don’t feel any pressure from any side, obviously they are a big country and they will say, ‘Why should we engage with a smaller country like Pakistan?’” the ambassador said.
....
“They were able to agree to the revival of the dialogue process at the level of foreign secretary and for absolutely no rhyme or reason — absolutely no rhyme or reason — the foreign secretary dialogue was canceled at the last minute,” Mr. Jilani said.


In the comments section, someone called Sven Smalgand has pointed out:

The Pakistani Ambassador's claim that the foreign secretary level talks were cancelled at the last minute "for absolutely no rhyme or reason - absolutely no rhyme or reason" (emphasis his) is totally in line with the non-stop falsehoods uttered by the military-indebted appointees at all key positions. The talks were cancelled because the Pakistani Ambassador in New Delhi, a day or two before talks, met with representatives of Kashmiri separatist organisations, several of whom are directly or indirectly involved in killing Indians in the troubled state and outside it.

India has been extremely restrained and patient in the face of continued Pakistani-backed terror attacks and provocations, in the hope that Pakistani leaders (whether military or civilian) will come around and see that propagating violence and religious bigotry is not the way forward. This hasn't happened. It is at this point almost meaningless for any other country to counsel even further restraint to India, because not one of these countries will show the kind of measured approach shown by New Delhi. Nor is India, under the new government, likely to take such counsel at anything other than face value.

Added later: The Scandinavians seem to be tag-teaming. A "Bjorn Biglund" has joined the fray.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Paul » 09 Feb 2015 14:26

Iqbal Latif ‏@ilatif

A nation that need to put soldiers on door step of schools,raise the razor wire wall-fence,arm its teachers,needs no nukes - it is nuked.


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