Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 15 Feb 2015 10:48

Pakistan for meaningful dialogue with India: Sartaj - DT
Reacting to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s call to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharief with “cautious optimism”, Adviser on Foreign Affairs and National Security Sartaj Aziz has said the goal has to be the meaningful and serious dialogue.

A few hours after the call was made, Sartaj Aziz told Rising Kashmir in an exclusive interview in his office that it is a good start in sort of breaking the ice but whether it will lead to actual resumption of meaningful dialogue that remains to be seen and depends upon the talks between foreign secretaries.

He maintained that he was not a pessimist with regard to this but said “I am cautiously optimistic now that visit has been resumed. Obviously there will be discussion on the agenda scope of the dialogue, modalities and the timeline. Once the dialogue process starts it gathers its own momentum”.

Aziz said it was the result of persuasion by the United States and other countries that India was forced to re-initiate the dialogue process and “may be some internal dynamics of Kashmir played some role”. “US and other countries had recognised the fact that India had not done good by unilaterally calling off the Foreign Secretary level talks in August last year and it was an urge of the world community that both countries should move forward on the dialogue process,” he said.

With regard to the Kashmir issue, he said that there was no major change in Pakistan’s policy but “we are ready to talk on other issues” with a hope that Kashmir will be addressed seriously. Aziz said Pakistan expects India to make a “serious resumption of dialogue”. “It has to be composite and comprehensive dialogue. Modalities, interaction and timeline are a must. There are issues like Sir Creek and Siachen on which progress has been made. Kashmir is going to take a little longer but we should go beyond CBMs,” he said.

Aziz acknowledged that Pakistan had hardened its stand on several issues, including Kashmir, after the suspension of talks because the peace process “has not moved”. He added: “There is tension on borders…You can’t just ignore it.” He said Pakistan could no longer say that it wouldn’t insist on the UN resolutions on Kashmir. He added that former president Pervez Musharraf’s four-point formula for resolving the Kashmir issue too might no longer be relevant.

On India’s charge that terrorist groups in Pakistan posed a threat to India, he said India refuses to acknowledge “our decisive steps in countering terrorism”. “It is an old narrative.” Aziz also said that Jamatud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed was not accused in Mumbai attacks and his organisation’s 90 percent work was welfare-oriented. :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby member_28921 » 15 Feb 2015 10:59

India must pay Pakistan $2 billion/year to offset losses caused to Baki aviation industry. Read more here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1163622/pakist ... -emissions

I must remind all the learned analysts that this is just the loss to Baki aviation from Indian emissions. If you count the loss to Baki agriculture and health, losses to Bakistan will be well in the region of $20 billion/year. Indian emissions are forcing otherwise peaceful Bakis to become extremists. This is similar to the Baniya trick of building dams and radicalizing innocent Bakis.

So we demand:
1. India pay Bakistan $20 billion every year for the loss caused to Baki Industry
2. India shut down all its industry to restore strategic balance and stop Bakistani beoble from radicalizing.
3. India must stop stealing Baki water, electricity and destroy all its dams.
4. Zaid Hamid should be invited to broadcast from Radio Lal Qila.
5. PAF's super-elite Flying Pigs squadron must lead the fly past of Republic Day parade.....

Obviously, all of us are concerned about the environment and would like to reduce our impact on it by burning less coal and using cleaner technologies. But only a Baki can come up with wonderful figures such as $2 billion loss to aviation industry from 'Indian' emissions - no chance of giving up either on Madarsa Math or Jizzya Appeals even on a subject as important as this one.

Incidentally, bilalthel cheena burns ~50% of the world's coal and accounts for ~25% of all carbon dioxide emissions. But Chinese emission is halal and causes no broplems for Baki flying pigs.

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Postby partha » 15 Feb 2015 11:12

http://tribune.com.pk/story/838596/jf-17-thunder-govt-to-buy-jet-engines-directly-from-russia/
JF-17 Thunder: Govt to buy jet engines directly from Russia

ISLAMABAD:

Pakistan will directly import engines from Russia to manufacture its JF-17 Thunder fighter jets. The engines were earlier imported via China.

According to sources in ministry of defence production, China has recently issued no objection certificate (NOC) to Pakistan, which was earlier producing the fighter jet as a joint venture with China.

“The Chinese NOC now allows Pakistan to import fighter jet engines from Russia directly,” a source said. “This will not only reduce the cost of production of the fighter jet but will also lead to enhanced defence cooperation between Russia and Pakistan.”

Islamabad and Moscow had recently agreed to boost cooperation in several spheres including that of defence during the recent Russian defence minister’s visit to Pakistan. “This is a significant move since Pakistan had never struck any direct defence deal with Russia,” the sources said.

“Russia was clearly tilted towards India and the new Russian policy towards Pakistan is seen as a coup pulled by the country’s foreign policy.

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Postby member_22733 » 15 Feb 2015 11:24

wadi wrote:India must pay Pakistan $2 billion/year to offset losses caused to Baki aviation industry. Read more here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1163622/pakist ... -emissions


Dont we kuffars also steal electricity from water? Forcing Bakistanis to depend on djinn taknology such as water car?

Looks like our Kuffar technology has figured out a way to suck energy out of Baki PIA aircraft jet en-djinss through remote power transmission.

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Postby SSridhar » 15 Feb 2015 12:07

Add to that, the sucking out of ground water from the Pakistan side by the evil kuffar.

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Postby Shreeman » 15 Feb 2015 12:35

SSridhar wrote:Add to that, the sucking out of ground water from the Pakistan side by the evil kuffar.


SS,

You may not realize this, but aquifers are interesting things. The water tables are plunging everywhere in that region. Less than djinn technology can bring results if one was so inclined.

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Postby arun » 15 Feb 2015 13:42

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism” thread.

The US Legislatures House Committee on Foreign Affairs issues a press release recommending the need for condition of combatting Mohammadden Terrorism be imposed on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in return for US assistance.

Mohammadden Terrorist Groups against whom the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is required to take action includes groups sponsored by State Actors of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that target India like the LeT and JuD:

Chairman Royce, Ranking Member Engel Press Secretary Kerry on Pakistan’s Failure to Combat Terrorists

Feb 12, 2015

Today, U.S. Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), the Committee’s Ranking Member, sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry to express their serious concern about Pakistan’s failure to combat Islamist terrorist groups operating within its territory.

In the letter to Secretary Kerry, Chairman Royce and Ranking Member Engel write: “The United States should pursue a different approach with the Pakistani Government. We urge you to consider implementing travel restrictions, suspending portions of assistance, and sanctioning Pakistani officials that maintain relationships with designated terrorist groups. Such an approach would make clear that the U.S. and Pakistan cannot have a true strategic partnership until Pakistan cuts all ties with terrorist organizations and renounces its use as an instrument of state policy.”

The signed letter to Secretary Kerry is available HERE.

The text of the letter follows:

February 12, 2015

The Honorable John F. Kerry
Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20520

Dear Mr. Secretary:

We remain deeply concerned that Pakistan has failed to take meaningful action against key Islamist terrorist groups operating within its territory. Like you, we were horrified by the December attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar which killed almost 150 people, mostly school children. This recent attack has only heightened our concerns.

As you know, while the Government of Pakistan has taken some steps to disrupt al-Qaeda and the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), it has done much less to combat other designated foreign terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LET), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, and Jaish-e-Muhammad. This selective approach appears to stem from a misguided belief that some terrorist groups serve Pakistan’s foreign policy goals in India and Afghanistan.

We appreciate that you and other senior level Administration officials regularly raise the need to confront these groups with Pakistani officials. Yet it does not appear that this engagement has resulted in any real change in Pakistan’s policies.

We welcome Pakistan’s recent announcement that it will soon ban the Haqqani network, but are skeptical that this will result in any real change to Pakistan’s policy. After all, groups like LET and JuD are ostensibly banned and still able to operate with virtual impunity. Just days ago, on January 25, JuD held a rally in Karachi that appeared to have taken place with government permission. Indeed, given Pakistan’s history of support for terrorist groups, we are concerned that an outright ban will never come.

The United States should pursue a different approach with the Pakistani Government. We urge you to consider implementing travel restrictions, suspending portions of assistance, and sanctioning Pakistani officials that maintain relationships with designated terrorist groups. Such an approach would make clear that the U.S. and Pakistan cannot have a true strategic partnership until Pakistan cuts all ties with terrorist organizations and renounces its use as an instrument of state policy.

Mr. Secretary, Pakistan has been devastated by terrorism. Indeed, in 2013, more than 3,000 Pakistanis were killed as a result of terrorist attacks. Thousands of Pakistani soldiers have been killed and local communities have been brutalized. If Pakistan’s long-term prospects are to improve for all its people, its leaders must make a clear break from the policies of the past.

We appreciate your personal commitment to the U.S.-Pakistan relationship and look forward to working with you to address this issue and other critical foreign policy matters in the coming year.

Sincerely,

EDWARD R. ROYCE
Chairman

ELIOT L. ENGEL
Ranking Member

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby deejay » 15 Feb 2015 14:57

wadi wrote:India must pay Pakistan $2 billion/year to offset losses caused to Baki aviation industry. Read more here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1163622/pakist ... -emissions
....


From the link two talking points for Talebs like me, kindly take note:

According to Dr Rasool, of the total 8,123 glaciers in Pakistan, only 8,000 are advancing while the rest are reducing.


So in my madrassa 123>8000. It can be Glaciers, AKs, Atim bums etc because 8000 is 'only' and 123 is the rest.

“The fog gets intense during January and December and is broken only with a rain spell. The cloud cover prevents plants to carry out photosynthesis,” he said.


In my madrassa when winter comes, January comes before December and photosynthesis is stopped for these two months because of cloud cover in the cold months which is actually fog causing more cold leading to Global Warming caused by India.

In India the same cloud cover is because of Western Disturbance but in Pakistan it is always Indian Disturbance. Our Fog is "Indian gas in Pakistan" caused by all the Indians every morning.

If you will really study the above Puki Logic paper will be cleared with A+ grades which is also a blood group for an injured jeehardi.

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Postby Paul » 15 Feb 2015 15:55

Adm Ramdas seen distributing sweets in streets of Delhi. After Pakistan reaches 200. Kavita Ramdas & Lara Ramdas seen too.

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Postby Narad » 15 Feb 2015 16:18

Shia gunmen kill Spokesman of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ), Maulana Mazhar Siddiqui.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakist ... ed-while-o

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Postby Kashi » 15 Feb 2015 16:19

NaMo should call up Nawaz Shareef to discuss cricket once again..

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Postby Shreeman » 15 Feb 2015 16:31

The threat to mush. has died down. He is chirping again. Why?

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Postby partha » 15 Feb 2015 16:48

Shreeman wrote:The threat to mush. has died down. He is chirping again. Why?

saar, what threat to retired jernails from civvies? Just some inconvenience. No threat. He will be under threat only if the army gives him up and there are no signs of it happening yet and also unlikely.
Not just Mush, Durrani is also singing and confirming uncomfortable things and neither civvies nor ISPR has issued a denial. You know the usual "baseless allegations". Why? Also, why did Guardian interview Mush of all the people suddenly? It seems like Mush requested an interview. A western publication was chosen for maximum publicity. Statements like "PA propped up Taliban" meant as a warning to India-US that PA can repeat it once again?

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Postby RSoami » 15 Feb 2015 17:08

^^ Isnt that good ?! Taliban must be watching too. Complacency

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Postby Kashi » 15 Feb 2015 17:25

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Postby Lalmohan » 15 Feb 2015 19:06

Shreeman wrote:The threat to mush. has died down. He is chirping again. Why?


he must be getting let off the leash. mind you his interview had the usual small minded hindus and dalits killed for pandit shadow walking and honour and dignity messages... plus basically admitting that they've been meddling in afghanistan the wrong way...

a few days ago an ex ISI chief also admitted that pak probably knew about osama's hideout and had been keeping him as a bargaining chip for the afghan discussions with unkil

basically BRF called it right way back when...! ;-)

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Postby chetak » 15 Feb 2015 19:23

Paul wrote:
Adm Ramdas seen distributing sweets in streets of Delhi. After Pakistan reaches 200. Kavita Ramdas & Lara Ramdas seen too.



lalitha ramdas :)

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Postby arun » 15 Feb 2015 19:28

In a lighter vein, Pidilite Ltd.’s advertisement for its Fevikwik adhesive themed upon the Wagah Border ceremony:

Fevikwik : Todo Nahi Jodo

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Postby Paul » 15 Feb 2015 20:27

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ister.html

Italy is a dying country as babies no longer replace people who die, says health minister
The country's birth rate falls to its lowest level - 8.4 per cent per 1,000 people - since the foundation of the modern state in 1861

Beatrice Lorenzin, the minister of health, has called Italy “a dying country" Photo: Elisabetta Villa/Getty Images
Nick Squires By Nick Squires, Rome7:25PM GMT 13 Feb 2015
Italy’s birth rate has fallen to its lowest level since the foundation of the modern state in 1861, prompting fresh alarm in a society that has been steadily ageing for decades.
The number of births per 1,000 people has fallen to just 8.4 per cent, down from 38.3 per cent when Italy’s territories and kingdoms were unified a century and a half ago.
In Britain and the United States, the figures are 12 per cent and 13 per cent respectively.
Last year 509,000 babies were born in Italy, 5,000 fewer than in 2013.

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The mortality rate also declined last year, stretching life expectancy for Italian women to 85 years, while the average man will live to 80.
Beatrice Lorenzin, the minister of health, said: “We are at the threshold where people who die are not being replaced by newborns. That means we are a dying country.
"This situation has enormous implications for every sector: the economy, society, health, pensions, just to give a few examples."
Italy’s five million immigrants, out of an overall population of 60 million, are also having fewer children, having previously registered high birth rates.

The birth rate among immigrants has fallen to 1.9 children per woman, its lowest level for five years.
Overall, the number of couples choosing not to have children has increased to 40 per cent in the last decade. Italian women have 1.39 children on average, against an EU average of 1.58.

The birth rate decline was blamed on years of economic recession and high unemployment. The birth rate is lowest in the Mezzogiorno, or south of Italy, where the recession has hit hardest. Sardinia, for example, had a birth rate of 7.1 per cent.
The average age at which Italian women have their first child has been creeping up for years and is now at 31 years and six months.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Karan Dixit » 15 Feb 2015 20:33

LokeshC wrote:

Bliss to watch from 1:04:15 to the end. The peril of talking to the Bakis is clearly underlined. This is exactly why we should not be talking to bakistan. The nucular weapons are largely to scare unkil and the rest of the 2.5 into putting pressure on the rational party in this whole issue :- India.


I think her comment about India - Pakistan partition was idiotic. According to her, a fair number of the brick and mortar buildings that headquartered various organizations should have been moved to Pakistan. This is absurd. It is the people who form the organization not the buildings. Those people who wanted to become Pakistanis moved to Pakistan and built their headquarters in Pakistan. Even if India wanted to it could not have moved Red Fort from New Delhi to La-Whore. As far as the difficulties faced by Pakistan due to partition is concerned, that was inevitable outcome. That is why they should have thought about it. India too faced problems. It got industrial regions but it lost agricultural regions to Pakistan. That is why India faced acute food shortages right after the partition. We could have acted like cry babies too if we wanted and could have demanded that fertile lands of Pakjab be moved to Rajsthan.

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Postby Lalmohan » 15 Feb 2015 21:01

^^^ what it tells you is that the pak jarnails are better at managing messaging and the media than ours

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Postby member_28911 » 15 Feb 2015 21:10

#CWC15 Frustrated after defeat against India, Pakistani fans beak their TVs on the streets #IndvsPak
https://vine.co/v/OPEDaDhFaDn

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby vishvak » 15 Feb 2015 21:12

According to her, a fair number of the brick and mortar buildings that headquartered various organizations should have been moved to Pakistan. This is absurd. It is the people who form the organization not the buildings. Those people who wanted to become Pakistanis moved to Pakistan and built their headquarters in Pakistan

lulz. This rona-dhona is total BS. I was reading about iron ore production in China, which is top country worldwide in production and consumption. Wiki says China produces 1.32 billion tonns of ore per year. Reading population growth of pakis (250 million), how much profit would a ton of iron ore bring to per head paki is a difficult calculation. Per a line in the first post on this page:
And while they are sizeable they are not very large by global standards. The entire reserve quantity is little more than what Australian mining giant BHP-Billiton would typically produce in two years

The prices are underwhelming after global commodity crash and they were sleeping through earlier highs. Considering that iron ore is amongst top 5 most abundant ore, where does that leaves paki other than begging and blaming.
Comparatively, this will not cause any change in 7th century lifestyle, however in India there is scam even for wavelengths of telecom spectrum (3G) - but no scams in pakis even for iron ore resources not developed. It says a lot about the whiners not doing anything but hating and hallucinating about looting and pillaging neighbours.
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Postby deejay » 15 Feb 2015 21:14

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ what it tells you is that the pak jarnails are better at managing messaging and the media than ours


She basically says that our Generals do not get to even sit on the table. IMO, this is broadly correct. If it is so, how would "ours" be even in the league of those who practice this craft day in and day out for last (almost) 68 years.

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Postby ArmenT » 15 Feb 2015 21:29

Couple arrested in Britain after groom forgets bride's name
Why yes, Pakistanis were involved. Why do you ask? :D

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Postby deejay » 15 Feb 2015 23:10

The Puki logic is intense if nothing else. From ads in response to Indian rascals like Puki rascals of yore.

Osman Samiuddin's article on the Indo - Pak cricket match: http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/830669.html

'Meekened' Pakistan still waiting to prick India's bubble


I'll admit I snickered when I first watched the Star Sports promo for the India-Pakistan game on Sunday. Google it now if you've missed it, and if you can't be bothered, here's a brief recap:

Pakistani boy, on day of first ever World Cup match with India, in Sydney in 1992, gets ready to celebrate a win with fireworks. Pakistan loses, boy despondent, stashes unused fireworks away. Repeat for every World Cup meeting since, with boy growing into man, into husband and father and the fireworks remaining unlit. It ends with Mohali in 2011, the protagonist asking "Kab phorenge?", a smart catchphrase with dual intent: when will we set off our firecrackers, when will we blow India away?

I was in Pakistan when it first appeared and was taken with its ability to both needle and empathise with the Pakistani fan. It had precisely the effect I imagine was the intention. It riled people up to respond: Pakistan have more ODI wins against India overall, so the ad was misrepresentative. It was pointed out that there was disingenuousness - in an ad! Shocking! - at play: the boy would have used the fireworks in celebrating Pakistan's 1992 World Cup win, or even reaching the final in 1999, or maybe even when India lost the final in 2003.

I'm no Don Draper, but if an ad heightens anticipation for a product and is lauded for being well-made, then its work is done. Given the general excellence of Indian advertising, be sure they have versions ready as updates after the game, for both results. Pakistani advertisers and brands probably have something ready as well. One channel took the bait, though the response is full of such predictable bluster you don't even need to Google it to know Javed Miandad's six begins it or that it is narrated by a man trying to sound martial ("Do you remember Miandad's last-ball six..." it begins, ending with some Nasir Jamshed shots even Nasir Jamshed doesn't remember).

Most likeable, though, is that the promo gives the rivalry a lightness it has rarely had. It has made a deeply complex, often troubling contest less fraught, even if only fleetingly. Here, laugh about it, and if you're a little offended, then that's bearable collateral. It's much better on the health of nations, after all, to poke fun at each other rather than launch missiles.

Some cricketing education can be gleaned as well, though. The brief match clips the boy is shown watching are as follows: Javed Miandad bowled by Javagal Srinath in Sydney; Aamer Sohail bowled by Venkatesh Prasad in Bangalore; Wasim Akram caught by Anil Kumble off Prasad at Old Trafford; finally, Indian fielders walking off Mohali in the triumphant glow of as egalitarian a bowling performance as there can be (five bowlers, ten wickets, equally shared).

Read through and recall those games again, because from them emerges one significant and contrary truth. It isn't that India have won every single World Cup encounter in defiance or support of prevailing form or permanent class. It is that all but one of India's wins has emerged from an inverted logic, reversing the traditional strengths that have defined them. The separate stories of India and Pakistan, and the shared one of matches between them, is of the former's batting and the latter's bowling. That is how it is decided. Yet, except Centurion and maybe Bangalore, India have won because of their bowling. To most Pakistanis, at some subconscious plane below the overarching level at which any defeat to India is galling, that must be the most galling thing ever.

One day a Pakistani advertiser will make a witty ad about the condescension with which Pakistan looks at Indian pace bowling. (Shoaib Akhtar, for one, is never more a comedian than when he's talking about Indian pace). Maybe it will involve thin men, vegetables and bad taste. Or digs at the MRF Pace Academy. But until then, it is the salt on a fresh wound that at World Cups it is Indian bowling which has undone Pakistan. And to have Venkatesh Prasad taking all these wickets, Venkatesh Prasad who is the the punchline to all generic Pakistani jokes about Indian fast bowling, Venkatesh Prasad, the exact antithesis of all Pakistani fast bowling? That's some burn.

Those clips tell a bigger story too. When Miandad was bowled, or Sohail, they felt like little hurtful pricks to the great big balloon of ego and bluster on which Pakistan cricket - and indeed Pakistan - had ridden high for years and years over India. Pakistan may have always had wonky governance, but the country was once seen, not least in its own eyes, as more vibrant than the slower behemoth that was India, which was still an idea waiting for its time to come.

By the time Mohali came round, the existing order was overturned. Now it is India riding high over Pakistan - its economy, democracy, the IPL, Bollywood, its cricketers
Pakistan's cricketers of that time held a peculiar fascination for many Indians - their bravado and chutzpah, their abrasiveness and establishment-overturning ways and outrageous skill. Moreover they were ahead of the curve. Mushtaq Mohammad gave Pakistan their own Sourav Ganguly moment over two decades before India did.

Eventually those little pricks began not only to deflate Pakistan but to inflate India. By the time Mohali came round, the existing order was overturned. Now it is India riding high over Pakistan - its economy, democracy, the IPL, Bollywood, its cricketers. Sometimes you look at Virat Kohli and wonder whether all the bluster that hissed out of Pakistan didn't blow into his wiry body alone. Look also at the others: R Ashwin, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Shikhar Dhawan and Ravindra Jadeja, in whom there can often be glimpsed the impudence of that eternal badtameez (loosely translated as "rascal"), Ijaz Ahmed. Look at recent vintage: Gautam Gambhir, Virender Sehwag, Harbhajan Singh or Yuvraj Singh, all types Pakistan can probably identify with - angsty spinners, abrasive openers, gutsy and persistent middle-order men, outrageously gifted but frustrating batters, rascals the lot of them but rascals who brought them so much glory.

Leading them is MS Dhoni, who lives in his own little world, aloof and unknowable, as Imran Khan once did, yet with the connectedness of Miandad. In his delicate calculations about the ends of chases, Dhoni is more Miandad than any Pakistani batsman. The only consolation for Pakistanis - and boy, don't they make sure Indians know it - is that India have yet to taste the true and exquisite poison of the crazy-diamond fast bowler.

Star Sports may not have knowingly communicated these greater meanings, but it is what it is. Pakistan are the ones trying to prick the great Indian bubble, a Pakistan not weakened as much as "meekened". It probably riles them more than anything that in all its glitter and grime, this new India is not dissimilar to old Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby A_Gupta » 15 Feb 2015 23:19

^^^^ http://www.fakingnews.firstpost.com/201 ... -crackers/
"In a nice gesture, India offers citizenship to the Pakistani man who was waiting for years to burst crackers"
:lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby fanne » 15 Feb 2015 23:47

When you can truly make fun of your oponent without being vindictive, you know you have won. Another psychological barrier crossed. By the next world up Tsp will not be a bigger rival than BD in all sphere of existence.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Prem » 16 Feb 2015 00:14

Al Bolicemen Brotecting Baki Cricketer's Ghonsla In Al Bakistan
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby RCase » 16 Feb 2015 00:53

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Evil Yindoo re-stealing Bakistan's water! 8)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby RCase » 16 Feb 2015 01:15

Ankar wrote:#CWC15 Frustrated after defeat against India, Pakistani fans beak their TVs on the streets #IndvsPak
https://vine.co/v/OPEDaDhFaDn

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


TV is a YYY sazish to defame Pakistan and Islam. Pakistan actually won the match, but zionists with better marketing skills showed the Pakistani team to have lost on TV. Didn't you see, the Pakistani team was not wearing green colored shoes on TV. These were actually RAA ajints on TV pretending to be Pakistani.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Shreeman » 16 Feb 2015 02:25

The most popular baki names:
1. Osama
2. Umar/Omar
3. Iman/Ayman
4. Pervez
5. Nawaz

Of course, you have to discount PooBaah name, that was excluded (eg mian muhammed nawaz sharif, the good sharif, mian mohammed pervez musharraf). Abdul has fallen out of favor.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Postby Peregrine » 16 Feb 2015 03:02

US Congress throws crucial caveat into Pakistan ties At Last

The US Congress is arguing against treating Pakistan as a strategic partner until the country agrees to sever its alleged ties with ‘terrorist outfits’.

In a letter to US Secretary of State John Kerry, House Committee on Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce and Ranking Member Eliot Engel said the US should pursue a different approach with the Pakistani government, the BBC reported.

“We urge you to consider implementing travel restrictions, suspending portions of assistance, and sanctioning Pakistani officials that maintain relationships with designated terrorist groups,” the letter said.

It said the government of Pakistan has taken some steps to dismantle the infrastructure of al Qaeda and Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), but has not done enough to combat other ‘designated foreign terrorist groups’ such as Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, and Jaish-e-Muhammad.

“This selective approach appears to stem from a misguided belief that some terrorist groups serve Pakistan’s foreign policy goals in India and Afghanistan,” it said.

The letter welcomed Pakistan’s recent announcement that it will soon ban the Haqqani network, but voiced skepticism that this will result in any real change to Pakistan’s policy.

“After all, groups like the LeT and the JuD are ostensibly banned and still able to operate with virtual impunity,” it said.

“If Pakistan’s long-term prospects are to improve for all its people, its leaders must make a clear break from the policies of the past,” it said.

US Department of State spokesperson Jen Psaki said she has not seen the letter and also could not confirm whether John Kerry had read it or not. She said the Congress’s letter would be replied.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby ramana » 16 Feb 2015 03:38

A_Gupta we need to come up with CMMI level type of knowledge about Bakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability ... ntegration

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I think BRF is at level 5.0.

Christine Unfair at level 3.0.

SD and Pentagon at level 2.0.

We need to develop the text to define the various levels for Bakistan comprehension. Maybe over the week?

Level 0 is WKK .
Level 1 is Awareness that Bakistan is an issue
Level 2 is Awareness that Bakistan is duplicitous leech
Level 3 is Awareness that Bakistan is a perfidious, murdering leech
Level 4 ....
Level 5.....

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby member_28921 » 16 Feb 2015 08:15

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but nevertheless..

A 'hedge-fund' manager in the US has been charged with doing nothing close to investing - he used the money to support his lifestyle including courses at Harvard and subscription to a dating site. All poor 'Mark' Malik wanted was love.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sec-charges-2015-2
http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/20 ... OFiuuaUeuI
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/201 ... /23371241/

It seems Mark is a Baki.
http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/201 ... rs-800000/

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 16 Feb 2015 09:14


Peregrine ji,

I am not at all hopeful.

In September 2009, the US Congress passed the PEACE Act (also known as the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Bill) that prescribed aid for Pakistan for the next five years and the conditions that the Government of Pakistan needed to fulfil in order to receive the aid. A major condition was that the civilian government must exercise complete oversight of the armed forces including their budget and their chains of command and promotions, a normal practice otherwise in all democratic countries. However, this created a big furore in the Pakistani Army whose Corps Commanders demanded that such provisons must be rescinded by the US. Even as a Taliban attack on the GHQ in Rawalpindi was going on, probably the most serious attempt ever by the Taliban to directly confront the State, the COAS, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani was discussing the Kerry Lugar-Berman Bill with President Zardari and demanded that the Foreign Minister, Qureshi, be dispatched to Washington immediately to convey the Army’s displeasure. Most members of the Pakistani Parliament opined that the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Bill was an invidious attempt at dividing the Army and the Civilian government. The Army went public with its opposition to the Bill thus flouting once again the chain of command, which the Bill wanted to curb ! The Act also specifically asked the Pakistani government to eliminate LeT & JeM. Finally, the bill was diluted.

The PEACE Act also required that Pakistan strengthened its ‘anti-money-laundering laws’. But, Pakistan did nothing and finally the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) of the G-8 countries decided that Pakistan was not doing anything and blacklisted that country along with seven other countries such as Angola, Ecuador, North Korea, Sao Tome etc. It continues like this, IIRC.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Feb 2015 09:49

^^^ First try:
Level 1 is WKK.
Level 2 is aware that Pakistan is an issue, but doesn't have the fundae to respond cogently when an issue comes up.
Level 3 is able to reply to all of Pakistanis' stock arguments, motifs, etc.
Level 4 is able to analyze and get to the behind-the-scenes motivations, etc.
Level 5 is gyaani enough to be an opinion-setter.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 16 Feb 2015 09:59

Foreign secretary S Jaishankar's Pakistan trip to be exploratory; experts divided - Dipanjan Roy Chaoudhry, ET
Foreign secretary S Jaishankar, in his visit to Pakistan next month, is expected to pick up from Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his counterpart Nawaz Sharif's meeting last year, to explore possible solutions to outstanding bilateral issues including cross-border terrorism and barriers to trade.

Jaishankar's visit, which signals another attempt on part of the Modi government to normalise relations with the neighbouring country despite little progress across the border on punishing those accused of 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, comes seven months after the NDA government had cancelled foreign secretary level talks owing to Pakistan envoy's insistence on holding discussions with Kashmiri separatist Hurriyat leaders.

The new foreign secretary's visit will be exploratory in nature, just as his predecessor Sujatha Singh's was meant to be in August last year, officials said even as they rued that the anti-India terror infrastructure in Pakistan remains intact as evident from plans unearthed in Jammu and Kashmir.

When Sharif visited India for Modi's swearing-in ceremony in May 2014, the two prime ministers had in May 2014 agreed to hold a foreign secretary level dialogue to relaunch formal and structured dialogue from where former foreign ministers SM Krishna and Hina Rabbani Khar had left in September 2012.

The Modi government is keen to boost trade with Pakistan via land route, as the prime minister had discussed with Sharif in their meeting on May 27 last year. Pakistan has recently given reciprocatory signals that it may grant non-discriminatory market access status to India. :rotfl: The two countries are moving towards sealing a deal to liberalise trade, according to Pakistan Commerce Minister Khurram D Khan, who told the Pakistan Senate earlier this month that Sharif had personally identified liberalised trade with India as a policy priority.

India's oil and gas minister Dharmendra Pradhan was in Islamabad last week for talks on Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran pipeline

Expert opinion is, however, divided on Modi's decision to send Jaishankar to Islamabad and revive bilateral dialogue after maintaining that action on cross-border terrorism was a prerequisite.

Former ambassador to Afghanistan, Vivek Katju, hinted that an assurance may have come from Pakistan that it will not engage with Hurriyat ahead of any Indo-Pak dialogue. "While there is no objection to Pakistan engaging with Hurriyat on social occasions, the separatist group cannot be party to Indo-Pak dialogue," he said.

Former high commissioner to Pakistan, G Parthasararthy, told ET that Pakistan's former National Security Adviser Mahmud Durrani may have brought an important message from Islamabad recently. "Durrani has good relations with former Pakistan President General Musharraf and the current army chief Raheel Shareef is a protege of Musharraf," said Parthasarathy. He indicated that the Modi government may pick up the threads of discussions held between former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Musharraf between 2005 and 2007, when the two countries had worked out a formula for resolving the Kashmir issue through backchannel diplomacy {If what GP says is true, what is this obsession with Musharraf by NDA?}.

Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal, however, described the government's move as bereft of strategic thinking. "Pakistan continues to pursue its old policy of violating ceasefire, delaying 26/11 trial and issuing anti-India statements from attacking India-US civil nuclear cooperation to proposed NSG membership. Clearly, there would have been an American pressure to revive Indo-Pak dialogue," he said.

Strategic affairs expert Ajai Sahni also decried the move to relaunch dialogue with Pakistan. "It is the same cycle that keeps on repeating - of talking and not talking. The UPA pursued this policy and now the BJP government is pursuing the similar strategy. The recent move has not been driven by any strategic thinking on Delhi's part and the Americans seem to have influenced India in taking the step," said Sahni.

In Islamabad, Sartaj Aziz, Sharif's advisor on foreign affairs and national security, however, said he was cautiously optimistic and claimed India took the step due to "persuasion by the UN and some countries". In a veiled reference to formation of BJP-PDP government in Jammu & Kashmir, Aziz said "may be some internal dynamics of Kashmir played some role".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Tuvaluan » 16 Feb 2015 10:06

Why are the Durrani and Musharraf even relevant for this govt. to believe whatever cr@p comes out of their mouths? Musharraf is responsible for Kargil during NDA1 and now NaMo and NDA2 are playing him up once again? What's this deal with this musharraf love fest? that loser is a megalomaniac and a and the person behind Kargil, so what's the deal here?

If the Indian govt.'s thinking is that they can wield a larger influence on Pakistan if that shithole becomes addicited to Indian goods, then all the jokers who think so in New Delhi need to put down their opium cigarettes, take a cold shower, and sober up. The Paki Army operates like a mafia and they are just as likely to hold a leverage on the Indian businessmen go get used to paki trade and influence the Indian govt, rather than the Indian govt.'s fantasy that Pakistan will be beholden to India's economic influence. Pakis are used to eating sh!t for breakfast and not taking baths for months and will suck up whatever cr@p the paki army deals to them, unlike the Indian businessmen who will get addicted to profits from a captive market and also wield significant influence on the Indian media (since they own them, literally). How is this new episode of pakistan love fest from PM Namo going to help the public interest? Effing disappointing to see the same MMS Paki-lovefest horsesh!t play out with this NDA regime.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby RoyG » 16 Feb 2015 10:31

Footage of attack on shia mosque.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=597_1423922928


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