Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Agnimitra » 26 Feb 2015 11:31

SSridhar wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:The current Saudi crisis may be part of the process of shuffling the Sunni Ummah to better fit the envisaged place and order of each actor in the Caliphate. The Saudi generational faultline is the opportunity to effect the reshuffle. Important to watch would be where Turkey (white sultans), Saudi (moneybags) and Pakistan (footsoldiers) fall in this scheme of things. More interestingly, worth watching where the Jordanian Hashemite pedigree monarchy ends up relative to these, since they have been the traditional safekeepers of the Hijaz and the one's to better fit the ideal descriptions. Pakistan's imbalance is bound to be temporary, as a result of this reshuffling of the Ummah and its props.

Agnimitra, all those four players have (or have had) ambitions of heading the Caliphate. Opportunistically, any two of them may combine with each other to eliminate influence of the other two. Anyway, that discussion is beyond this thread except to the extent of Pakistan's role.

The elephant in the room is AmirKhan, whose 'insha' is necessary to facilitate any reshuffle of the god-ordained pecking order. Of all the 4, it appears that Turkish Gulenism is nearest to the Khan, in terms of, both, networks and vision. Might be useful to begin to differentiate the subtle competition between Turkish Islamism and Saudi Islamism within Af-Pak. Gulenists already have grassroots networks in N. Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Kashi » 26 Feb 2015 12:09

SSridhar wrote:Caught between two Sharifs - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line


That seems to be literally true for some.

this from TFT
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/nugge ... 1EwvC.dpuf

Nuggets from the Urdu press
Reported in Express (January 21, 2015) upset (dilbardashta) by the fuel crisis, Muhammad Sharif of Rahim Yar Khan changed the name of his son from Nawaz Sharif to Raheel Sharif. :rotfl:
He says Army chief Gen Raheel Sharif is better representing people’s wishes (umangon ki tarjumani) than Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby habal » 26 Feb 2015 12:36

paki chaddi in twist after Indian mullah tells them that Bhagwan Shankar is the first prophet Baba adam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agnOY3eBoLM

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby gandharva » 26 Feb 2015 13:35

US Congress Question Aid To Pakistan


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Virupaksha » 26 Feb 2015 15:31

all nonsense dikhawa, khan always goes back to lick boots of Munna again.

they will simply add a "national security" exception so that their favorite activity of licking boots will continue.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2015 15:58

I would even say that this questioning by the Congress is all staged

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby pankajs » 26 Feb 2015 16:05

I have the same sense. This good cop/bad cop routine to pressure Bakis and comfort the Indians. We should not be swayed by mere words but judge the Americans only and only by their acts. Their pronouncement on Hafiz pig including the $10 million bounty is all just hot air to fend off Indian concerns.

Even, UnFair's latest pronouncements seem all part of an act directed by the US SD. Again bad cop/good cop.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby deejay » 26 Feb 2015 16:38

^^^ The Rep Congressman Dana Rohrabacher has been raising this issue for quite a while. I think I have seen his videos dated 2013. It seems he finally got the letter sent.

However, Kurry is firmly backing the Kurry - Luger aid to TSP. My guess is the amount may even increase over the next two years and not reduce.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Karan M » 26 Feb 2015 17:12

democ-rats seem to revel in increasing aid to TSP while giving lectures to india.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby habal » 26 Feb 2015 17:27

has TSP been able to balance its books without US AID in some form or other in any fiscal year of it's existence ? My guess is they are not able to.

It's an artificial entity on perpetual USA life support. They will use them as they see fit.

India's presence in Afghanistan that ensures a balance of terror in Indian subcontinent takes away the USA ability to use Pakistan's terror leverage against India & Iran. So USA is doing it's usual double game here.

Pakistanis meanwhile are rightfully afraid that India will pull the plug on Karachi or Balochistan before USA can complete it's con job in the region.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Tuvaluan » 26 Feb 2015 18:16

SSridhar wrote:I would even say that this questioning by the Congress is all staged


No doubt about it -- the democrats have always been a bunch of anti-Indian scumbags, so this is not totally surprising. US will in fact start to support the paki taliban against India, Iran and Russia in Afghanisthan, I predict. The stage is being set up for this direction.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2015 18:56

Shake you dhoti, bangle wearing Hindu kafir. Gen. Sharif has spoken.

Indian border violations will meet a befitting reply: Gen Raheel - DAWN
Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif visited working boundary in Sialkot on Thursday — days ahead of talks with India — and warned that any provocation along the line of control (LOC) and working boundary will meet a befitting response.

General Raheel made these remarks while visiting working boundary areas near Sialkot, which are the most affected by Indian border violations.

During his visit, the army chief was briefed about the latest security situation in the area.

Addressing the troops and local population, the army chief said that the ceasefire violations by Indian army on working boundary and LOC in recent past are an effort to distract Pakistan army from its operation against terrorism — and this affects regional stability.

"Let there be no doubt that any provocation along LOC and working boundary will meet a befitting response," he said. General Raheel expressed solidarity with the local villagers affected by Indian ceasefire violations and paid rich tributes to their resilience.

The army chief lauded the high spirits of troops and the resolve of local residents. "The nation stands united for the defence of motherland {I thought it was fatherland} ," the army chief asserted.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby SSridhar » 26 Feb 2015 18:59

Maria Golovnina died after shortage of oxygen, autopsy report reveals

Isn't it something similar to that short-circuit in air vacuum or words to that effect while describing a blast?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby pankajs » 26 Feb 2015 19:10

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 385117.cms
Pakistan court declares Tahir-ul-Qadri as proclaimed offender
The anti-terrorism court of Lahore declared Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT) chief Qadri, his two sons and two members of his party, proclaimed offenders for not appearing in the Model Town Lahore case despite the court summons.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby ramana » 26 Feb 2015 19:30

A few general remarks in response to above posts on last two pages:
- In good Sharif vs. bad Sharif the one with guns will always win.
- Bad Sharif is in no position to dismantle the India centric terrorist apparatus as it will negate the kabila concept. He needs his non state actors to also control the politicians. So not happening.
- NaMo has sent Jaishankar to show the world he is not the bad one! And even here its part of the SAARC yatra as Akbaruddin tweeted. I suspect latter is a BRF fan.
- Bad Sharif is turning to "motherland" refs from earlier fatherland refs shows "four fathers" are wavering.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Prem » 27 Feb 2015 02:42

Darul Uloom Haqqania students involved in killing of Benazir
It was Not Mushy, Dus Percenti or Bubba Taliabba

OSAMABAD: An Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) in Rawalpindi was informed on Thursday that students of Darul Uloom Haqqania, Akora Khattak, were involved in the murder of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, however, the seminary administration denied having any connection with the suspects.During the hearing, Darul Uloom Haqqania’s director education Wisal Ahmed also recorded his statement. He admitted that the suspected suicide bomber Abdullah alias Saddam Nadir alias Qari Ismail and arrested suspects Rasheed alias Turabi and Faiz Muhammad had received education from the seminary but rejected the claim that Darul Uloom Haqqania holds any association with the above mentioned suspects.During his statement, Ahmed said that among the suspects involved in Benazir murder case few had left the seminary before completing their education.Cheema apprised the court that the press conference, which he conducted after the killing of Benazir Bhutto, was done on the orders of the then president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf.He informed that whatever he had said during that press conference were not his personal views but that of the government.In the FIA’s version of Brig Cheema’ statement, he maintains that he held the press conference, in compliance with Gen Musharraf’s orders, to dispel the negativity against the regime, that prevailed in the aftermath of the assassination.Earlier, Cheema had said that before the said press conference, he was summoned to the headquarters of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), where he met the interior secretary and the heads of the ISI, Military Intelligence and Intelligence Bureau.He told the court that the spymasters briefed them about their meeting with Gen Musharraf and handed him the video and instructed him to hold a press conference to this effect. He also told the court that he also consulted then-interior minister retired Lt-Gen Hamid Nawaz before holding the press conference.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Peregrine » 27 Feb 2015 03:32

SSridhar wrote:Shake you dhoti, bangle wearing Hindu kafir. Gen. Sharif has spoken.

Indian border violations will meet a befitting reply: Gen Raheel - DAWN


SSridhar Ji :

What could be the outcome if Modi took umbrage at the Baton Twirling Jack Booted Marionette and send Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar say to Sri Lanka then to Bangladesh then Nepal then Bhutan then Afghanistan on to Cwapistan?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Prem » 27 Feb 2015 04:14

Peregrine wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Shake you dhoti, bangle wearing Hindu kafir. Gen. Sharif has spoken.Indian border violations will meet a befitting reply: Gen Raheel - DAWN

What could be the outcome if Modi took umbrage at the Baton Twirling Jack Booted Marionette and send Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar say to Sri Lanka then to Bangladesh then Nepal then Bhutan then Afghanistan on to Cwapistan?


This is not Raheel but Cheen Ka Sheen. He is showing Aakkar only after China promised something something to fill in the air in his head.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Vivasvat » 27 Feb 2015 04:20

Peregrine wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Shake you dhoti, bangle wearing Hindu kafir. Gen. Sharif has spoken.

Indian border violations will meet a befitting reply: Gen Raheel - DAWN


SSridhar Ji :

What could be the outcome if Modi took umbrage at the Baton Twirling Jack Booted Marionette and send Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar say to Sri Lanka then to Bangladesh then Nepal then Bhutan then Afghanistan on to Cwapistan?

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Cwapistan should not be the first or last, else they'll claim it's because India feels they're the most important of all.
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Bhutan, Sri Lanka; This order will cause them most takleef since there seems to be no pattern to it, but still keeps countries they despise ahead of them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Vivasvat » 27 Feb 2015 04:27

SSridhar wrote:Maria Golovnina died after shortage of oxygen, autopsy report reveals

Isn't it something similar to that short-circuit in air vacuum or words to that effect while describing a blast?

Quote from the article:
A postmortem report by Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims), revealed that the journalist had marks on her neck when her body was found.
Shortage of oxygen = Asphyxiation = Strangulation.
There seems to have been an ISI hand - on her throat.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby sanjaykumar » 27 Feb 2015 04:30

"Let there be no doubt that any provocation along LOC and working boundary will meet a befitting response," he said.

What is this befitting response, the curious would like to know?

A flight to Dhaka to sign another document?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Gagan » 27 Feb 2015 04:48

AoA

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Cosmo_R » 27 Feb 2015 05:40

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 20954.aspx

"A postmortem report by Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) said Golovnina died due to blockage in the upper part of her respiratory tract that led to shortage of oxygen.

The report also said there were three marks ("ISI") on her neck according to Geo TV.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby KrishnaK » 27 Feb 2015 06:13

shiv wrote: The only response Pakis can have is to try and get back to the good old days and say "India is the kafir that needs culling". The only well known person (assuming BRF is not well known) saying this repeatedly, loud and clear in the world is Christine Fair.
and Hussain Haqqani

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Prem » 27 Feb 2015 07:03

http://nation.com.pk/columns/27-Feb-201 ... the-legacy
Pakistan is also linked to Turkey by the Caliphate.
After the abolition of the Mughal dynasty, the Muslims of India needed a Caliph, and started mentioning the name of the Osmanli Sultan in Friday sermons.And when the Osmanli Sultan publicly asked for funds so as to buy a submarine, Indian Muslims donated.Also, they sent a medical mission to Turkey during World War I.The British were not too sure about abolishing the Caliphate after World War I, because of its Indian Muslim subjects.Before they abolished it, there was a Khilafat Movement in India, which lost steam when it was indeed abolished, and segued into the Independence Movement.This left Turks with the impression that Indian Muslims looked kindly on them.That was true, and the feeling was carried over to their new state, Pakistan.The new state also looked favourably upon Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, the first President of post-caliphal Turkey.It was also not without significance that Allama Iqbal, while arguing for a separate homeland for Indian Muslims, invoked the example of the Turkish Grand National Assembly.Later, the two countries also had the commonality of having politically active militaries, which were part of the military alliances crated by the US to ring the USSR in the Cold War.
Thus the ties between Pakistan and Turkey are not just religious and cultural, but also political.
The recent example of Turkey hosting talks with Afghanistan and Pakistan, show its commitment to the region.Within this context, its refusal to join the US effort against ISIS can only be explained by domestic reasons.The recent ISIS defeat in the Syrian town of Kobane can only be understood if it is remembered that modern Turkey has to deal with Kurdish separatism, along with Iran, Syria and Iraq, and both Kobane and the Suleiman Shah tomb were in Kurdish areas.If Syrian and Iraqi Kurds aspire to independence, will Turkish Kurds stay behind? Turkey also finds that it is fighting in Kurdish areas, which it finds familiar.Pakistan cannot merely leave Turkey to work out its fate for itself.It is as the other wind of the region where Turkey is the Western edge. :eek: Together they must face a number of challenges, not least that of the ISIS Caliphate.Turkey may be more closely concerned, but the switching of various militant groups, which had joined the TTP, to ISIS, has created an ISIS presence where there was none originally.The Pakistani establishment may well be tempted to get into the affair because it knows both Turkey and the militants, but it should realize that this is a hornet’s nest it must not stir.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Mihaylo » 27 Feb 2015 07:25

Cosmo_R wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/reuters-pakistan-bureau-chief-had-three-marks-on-neck-autopsy/article1-1320954.aspx

"A postmortem report by Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) said Golovnina died due to blockage in the upper part of her respiratory tract that led to shortage of oxygen.

The report also said there were three marks ("ISI") on her neck according to Geo TV.


Naah..it was a sarkari rubber blue stamp "RAW"


Blockage of the upper part of the respiratory tract that led to shortage of oxygen eh....more like somebody choked her..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Shankk » 27 Feb 2015 07:37

SSridhar wrote:Shake you dhoti, bangle wearing Hindu kafir. Gen. Sharif has spoken.

Indian border violations will meet a befitting reply: Gen Raheel


I had developed a serious aversion to those two words "befitting reply" due to an apparent Indian impotence and empty words. Now for the first time I am liking those two words just to see the tables turned.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Aditya_V » 27 Feb 2015 09:29

Yes, Raheel visiting the soldiers and comforting them indicates morale come down in the last 9-10 months, before which they had open it was open season for them to attack without fear of retribution.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby member_25399 » 27 Feb 2015 11:16

From the link above :
On BBC HARDtalk, when asked about Pakistan’s continued support for the Afghan Taliban, he expounded that statecraft is based on realism, and not on abstract emotions of permanent friendship and trust.


Someone should show this to the likes of aiyar's and other peaceniks, though not sure they will still understand anything from it :lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby ArmenT » 27 Feb 2015 11:22

x-posting from Islamism thread, as this might have a very Pakistani connection:
Jhujar wrote:Jihadi John unmasked and UQ 's favourite Son



It is a good thing that I looked up this Asim Qureshi bloke and his organization, CAGE. At first, after watching the video, I thought it might be a perfectly normal org. to help muslim youth, but then I found that its director is Moazzam Begg, who was in Guantanamo Bay for a while. Then I looked into their agenda a bit more and guess what? They try and call a rogue's gallery of villains as "innocent people" (notice how he describes Emwazi as a "beautiful young man"). Among the people they are clamoring for release are Abu Hamza, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Babar Ahmed, Syed Talha Ahsan and Aafia Siddiqui! Wonder if the Pakistani government is providing the funding for this group or what? This Qureshi seems to be a Brit-Paki as well.

These chaps are hardcore jihadis masquerading as a human rights organization. There is footage of Qureshi himself speaking at a Hizb ut-Tahrir rally and CAGE has invited Anwar al-Alwaki as guest speaker a few times.

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Postby arun » 27 Feb 2015 11:48

Tall Fair Tight Assed (TFTA) Migrants from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan overtaken by Short Dark Rice Eating (SDRE) migrants from “Low, Lying” Bangladesh.

From the Economist Magazine:

Breaking out : In Britain, Bangladeshis have overtaken Pakistanis.

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Postby gandharva » 27 Feb 2015 12:33

Bangladeshi authorities raid house of smuggler PIA country manager


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Postby vijaykarthik » 27 Feb 2015 14:02

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pakistan ... sit-742823

Sad. Guess this is what happens when a govt goes back on the reason why they called off talks in the first place. And when there is no improvement in the situation, there should be no reason for an olive branch. Simple. Looks like its a pretty lame decision to send the For Sec so quickly w/o any sig change in the ground reality.

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Postby Peregrine » 27 Feb 2015 14:41

vijaykarthik wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pakistan-army-chief-warns-india-ahead-of-foreign-secretary-s-jaishankars-visit-742823

Sad. Guess this is what happens when a govt goes back on the reason why they called off talks in the first place. And when there is no improvement in the situation, there should be no reason for an olive branch. Simple. Looks like its a pretty lame decision to send the For Sec so quickly w/o any sig change in the ground reality.


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Not being a hard core supporter of Modi Ji one does credit him with sufficient Political Nous.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby shiv » 27 Feb 2015 16:58

Didn't GoI make it clear that Jaishankar is visiting Pakistan about a SAARC multilateral issue and not a bilateral India Pakistan issue? Why is the press and why are we insisting that this is a bilateral India Pak talks thing.
1. An announcement has been made that this is resumption of talks and I have missed it
2. It is about SAARC and everyone is getting langoti twisted without reason

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby vijaykarthik » 27 Feb 2015 17:20

^^ Fair enough.

Just these data points too:

I read a few reports from ex-IAS / ambassador types who say that there hasn't been a precedent where SAARC visits have been done this way. Besides, something about this having to be done by the Sec Gnrl and that country in charge and since India currently isn't the one, its perhaps a bit too tenuous that its about SAARC. --> Its about a bilateral talk or talk of a restart of a bilateral talk but cloaked as a SAARC summit. [I also remember seeing that there hasn't been too much progress in the SAARC end for anyone to have a tearing SAARC meet up. ]

My theory is that this had to be done sometime because they had to get into a deal with PDP and this was one of the points in the agenda. So it does look like its more a pol decision than a well-thought out one.

Well, I rest my case. All said, if I were the one on top, I will not have done this move. That much I can be clear about and I guess I will have to make peace with myself with that.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Kashi » 27 Feb 2015 17:33

vijaykarthik wrote:^^ Fair enough.

Just these data points too:

I read a few reports from ex-IAS / ambassador types who say that there hasn't been a precedent where SAARC visits have been done this way. Besides, something about this having to be done by the Sec Gnrl and that country in charge and since India currently isn't the one, its perhaps a bit too tenuous that its about SAARC. --> Its about a bilateral talk or talk of a restart of a bilateral talk but cloaked as a SAARC summit. [I also remember seeing that there hasn't been too much progress in the SAARC end for anyone to have a tearing SAARC meet up. ]

My theory is that this had to be done sometime because they had to get into a deal with PDP and this was one of the points in the agenda. So it does look like its more a pol decision than a well-thought out one.

Well, I rest my case. All said, if I were the one on top, I will not have done this move. That much I can be clear about and I guess I will have to make peace with myself with that.


There was no precedent for inviting SAARC heads of state for swearing in either or cancelling the talks because Baki ambassador met with Hurry rats.

Ultimately, we must wait for the eventual outcome of the visit.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby vijaykarthik » 27 Feb 2015 17:46

I agree. I am most curious about the outcome too. We shall know in a few weeks.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Harish » 27 Feb 2015 18:34

Hassan Nisar in a foul mood as he rips apart bakistan in this enjoyably harsh video. Enjoy.

Apologies if already posted.


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