Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Mar 2015 20:26

CRamS wrote:
ramana wrote:BC is another of those holier than thou experts. Just let him be.
You may be right, but is he not just stating facts. ModiJi did do a U-turn. He set a pretty high bar on talks with TSP, higher than the MMS/madam that is, and he reversed those unilaterally. So what part of Chellaney's analysis do you disagree with.

1) On Pakistan's National Day, Pakistan can invite anybody they want! All types of scum were there.

2) Should that invite be considered as "talks" or "meetings"?

3) What is GoI talking to Pakistan about, besides SAARC? Are we talking about any "core issues"?

So what is the hungama, sir ji? Just interested to know!

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 26 Mar 2015 21:04

Peregrine wrote:Ub Ayeega Mazza :

Saudi Arabia launches Yemen air strikes as alliance builds against Houthi rebels
The US has confirmed its support for an extraordinary international military alliance that is emerging to counter Houthi rebel advances in Yemen.

As Saudi Arabia began pounding the rebels with airstrikes, countries from the Middle East to Pakistan were said to be prepared to commit troops for a ground assault.
Added Later :
Al Arabiya also said planes from Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain were taking part in the operation.

In a rare press conference, the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir, told
reporters that a 10-country coalition had joined the military campaign in a bid “to protect and defend the legitimate government” of Yemen’s president, Abd-Rabbuh Mansour Hadi.
Cheers

It is actually the '10th Century Coalition' and not the '10-country coalition'!!

-M

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2015 21:06

BC and BK are the maximalist kind of experts . Only thing i agree with them is that India must have few Ks of strategic weapons to keep all kinds of Kookars and Katoores at bay.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Mar 2015 21:23

First Qatar LNG shipment reaches Karachi port

KARACHI: A shipment of 147,000 cubic feet of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) from Qatar arrived at the Karachi anchorage today in a Floating Storage Regasification Unit (FSRU).

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Mar 2015 21:50

RajeshAJi,

I agree with everything you said, but MMS and his gang of supporters can claim the same.

Can you kindly throw some light, if any as to why ModiJi did a U-turn from his tough talking to unilateral engagement? BC's point is that such U-turns will only embolden TSP to continue its terror, and there is evidence to support that claim. TSP's desperation for dialogue is the only direct leverage India has over TSP. And everybody thought ModiJi was using that as a leverage.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Mar 2015 22:08

gakakkad wrote:sometimes I think all these things are funny.. gelf countries armed to the teeth..but don't know how to operate a damn thing..so they take help of caveman momeens (which is itself is laughable) ...and all this in order to supposedly take down a bunch of Sunni fundoos in I-rack and Syria...and yet being apprehensive when I-ran achieves some amount of success...eventually this is a deadly circus run by Unkil khan .. So the fundamental question is that is Unkil Uber Chankian ,or totally moronic? what is the goal of all this chaos ? perhaps Unkil spent too much time with its critical ally and developed stone-age fantasies too..

Utterly & totally moronic.

IMO, US sunk $30 billion in Pakistan and has nothing to show for it. China, not as rich, and worried about making the transition from a middle-income to a high-income country, is not going to sink $45 billion in Pakistan without a return.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Mar 2015 22:11

CRamS wrote: Can you kindly throw some light, if any as to why ModiJi did a U-turn from his tough talking to unilateral engagement?

Saying, "Hello, howdy?" is not the same as having a dialog or conducting negotiations. Since you're complaining a lot, I suppose you have some insight into the agenda that V.K. Singh went to discuss at the Pakistan embassy, and have specific objections to what was on the agenda; if so, please do tell.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 26 Mar 2015 22:20

If survival of Pakistan and it curtailing India's north-west security and business interests cost 1% of GDP to India, the opportunity cost (lost by India) is $20B per year.

USA pumped $30B over 30 yrs and ensured that China, India, Russia, Iran are tied up along with GCC in Pakistan quagmire. Thats $1B/Yr average investment.

China is fast learning American model. Out of $45B investments it claims to make, ~$40B go back to China in the form of equipment, salaries for Chinese workers etc., A couple of $B goes to RAPES. only a couple of $B will reach Pakis in terms of employment, rehabilitation and remuneration. In addition to this, Pakis will keep India occupied with their own bodies, mil h/w and secular assets within India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2015 22:30

Only solution of Paki problem is to cut them to pieces. India can and should invest 1-2 Billion a year to keep Paki busy within, gasping, fighting for survival like out of breath Mice running from Kite's Bites as Appetizer Delight.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Mar 2015 23:50

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Maybe not MFN; but possibly to trade more.

I think our policy should change to shift all dealings with TSP to the TSP sub-desk of the China desk in south block. Close the pakistan embassy, tell them to get a paki interests section opened in chinese embassy.

They are neighbors and we have to talk onlee, is a fallacy that is not examined at all.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Mar 2015 23:55

pankajs wrote: ...

I am conflicted on the cost/benefit of the whole thing. I would have loved to keep the MFN thing alive as proof of Baki back-stabbing. Having both Kargil and MFN issue would be very useful to push-back bestern pressure on Baki negotiations.

No paki power-that-be will ever give India MFN or anything like it.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Mar 2015 23:57

Peregrine wrote:Ub Ayeega Mazza :

Saudi Arabia launches Yemen air strikes as alliance builds against Houthi rebels
The US has confirmed its support for an extraordinary international military alliance that is emerging to counter Houthi rebel advances in Yemen.

As Saudi Arabia began pounding the rebels with airstrikes, countries from the Middle East to Pakistan were said to be prepared to commit troops for a ground assault.
Added Later :
Al Arabiya also said planes from Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain were taking part in the operation.

In a rare press conference, the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir, told
reporters that a 10-country coalition had joined the military campaign in a bid “to protect and defend the legitimate government” of Yemen’s president, Abd-Rabbuh Mansour Hadi. B-RF Gurus :Which is the Tenth Country?
Cheers

Muslim Mahabharata war?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Mar 2015 23:59

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Maybe not MFN; but possibly to trade more.

Good then. We can just tell doorknob to shout, why trading,when no MFN?

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 27 Mar 2015 00:24

Peregrine wrote:First Qatar LNG shipment reaches Karachi port

KARACHI: A shipment of 147,000 cubic feet of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) from Qatar arrived at the Karachi anchorage today in a Floating Storage Regasification Unit (FSRU).
Cheers

Where are the Mujahids when you need them.

-M

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2015 01:15

KLNMurthy wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Ub Ayeega Mazza :
Muslim Maha- Bharta's war
Threat to S Arabia will evoke strong reaction from Pakistan: Nawaz
Moise Roar:Malik Ne Phenki Chavani:Naukar Ki Malik Ko Saalami,Issi Ko Kehte Hai Gulami

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif asserted that any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity would evoke a strong response from Pakistan.This was said by Nawaz while chairing a high-level meeting at the PM House to discuss recent developments in the Middle East and to examine Saudi Arabia's request to join the Gulf-led operation against Houthi rebels in Yemen, said a statement issued by PM House on Thursday.The meeting was attended by Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, Adviser to Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz, Army Chief General Raheel Sharif and Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman.
The Slavery Office spokesperson said that no decision has been made by Islamabad with regard to closing its mission in Sanaa.Diplomatic sources told DawnNews that a top Saudi functionary has contacted the top leadership of Pakistan over telephone and sought Pakistan's cooperation in the offensive launched in Yemen.Although Pakistani authorities have given a hint of cooperation, they told the Saudis that a final decision will be take after consulting the military.Gulf broadcaster al-Arabiya TV reported that the kingdom was contributing as many as 150,000 troops and 100 warplanes to the operations and that allies Egypt, Jordan, Sudan and Pakistan were ready to take part in a ground offensive in Yemen.Saudi Arabia's SPA state news agency later said that five Muslim countries including Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco and Sudan want to participate in the Gulf-led military coalition against Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen.They have “expressed desire to participate in the operation” against the rebels, which the kingdom dubbed “Firmness Storm”, the state news agency further said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2015 03:23

The Nejd region is Arab Shia and has the oil fields. So understand the Shiaization of Yemen could lead to KSA break-up.

Interesting that Badmash is waving nuclear flashpoint in West Asia.

Peregrine its cat fight among tomcats.

No Mahabharata as there is only adharma involved.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 27 Mar 2015 03:33

Ramana,

150k is not enough boots on the ground. Recall that Syria used all its resources. Way more than 150k. KSA has the same porous border with yemen as syria does with turkey. And that iraq wall is not quite built yet.

Yemen goes the syria way it looks like. Then KSA has an ongoing problem. Its great bakis are sending their lot in the mix. Not enough foreign wars for them. How do they transport them? Saudi ships? Cargo carriers?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2015 04:07

Jhujar wrote:Threat to S Arabia will evoke strong reaction from Pakistan: Nawaz

The 1960s war in Yemen also saw some action by Pakistan and Wiki says that "Pakistan saw an opportunity to make money and supplied rifles". That Paki approach to smell money from far away remains for ever etched in stone !

KSA is facing multiple threats and that was why the King and his entire cabinet was at the King's terminus in Riyadh to receive Nawaz Sharif when he went there last week. I have not heard of even visiting Kings from neighbouring GCC or the President of the US being accorded such a welcome. Besides, this fabulous reception could not have been because of Nawaz's connection with the Saudi royalty. Of course Nawaz had contacts with the Royalty such as King Fahd (dead), Prince Sultan (then defence minister since dead and who was largely instrumental in the nuclear deal) or King Abdullah (dead). Prince Salman was simply the Governor of Riyadh who was not involved in international affairs like the above three. Hence, this reception is more institutionalized and reflects the desperation of the entire government.

KSA's entanglement in the Levant went awfully wrong and will certainly backfire as it did with OBL. KSA feels threatened by the approaching denouement in the Iran nuclear issue. There is significant Shi'a population on the oil-bearing east from Kuwait all the way to Bahrain, along the Persian Gulf. The Bahrain situation is bad and can erupt anytime. The dominant Saudi Shi'a population from the critical Al-Jubail area near the Kuwait border up to Dhahran near Bahrain have been restive for a long time. The Yemeni revolt by the Shi'a, the Saudi support against them in the Levant and Yemen, can cause problems. The Saudi economy is hit hard by the oil prices and nobody would know how far the Sunni extremism and anti-monarchy feelings would flare up when KSA falls into hard times. Sensing Saudi weakness, Pakistan would demand its pound of flesh now. Already, a Apkistani federal minister accused Saudi Arabia directly of being the cause of problems in the Pakistani society and the Saudis meekly took it.

The Iranians are certainly trying to relieve the pressure by creating a new front. Will the IS move some of their forces there, or the 10-party coalition collude with the IS in Yemen or enter into a secret deal with AQIP instead?

All in all, more interesting time to keep a close watch on.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Mar 2015 05:02

Pakistanis will supply some jehadi foot soldiers for sure.
Like they supplied reitred faujis who became sunni police in Bahrain and brutally quelled the shia protests there.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Mar 2015 05:04

It is good that Pakistani jihadis have one more front they can commit to.
All these Shia-Sunni conflagarations in the Middle east, means lots of employment for the pakistani jehad factory.

I am 400% sure that some fauji jernails are making money off sending these jehadi foot soldiers to their death

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Mar 2015 05:10

Threat to S Arabia will evoke strong reaction from Pakistan: Nawaz
Moise Roar:Malik Ne Phenki Chavani:Naukar Ki Malik Ko Saalami,Issi Ko Kehte Hai Gulami

Nawaz Sharif is committing a strategic blunder and RAW infiltrated Pakistani Army is trying to de-Islamize Pakistan. They are dragging nuclear Pakistan into direct conflict with Islam, when Saudi Arabia enters into an existential fight with ISIS.

Whom will Pakistan nuke when ISIS brings down Kaba for it is idol worshipping under Burqa?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2015 05:24

ramana wrote: Peregrine its cat fight among tomcats.No Mahabharata as there is only adharma involved.

When Adharma is involved, War among Malecch Kalessh Gandhesh Malisht is like making Maha- Bhartha of rotton (Bengans)ingredients . Mahabharata was/ is/ will be for highest purpose of human life.

OTOH, India need to extract price from Both Soon to be Saudi Aardh-ia and expanding Iran for taking passive stance and not intervening on behalf any party.

member_29040 · Post by **member_29040** » 27 Mar 2015 07:04

Peregrine wrote:First Qatar LNG shipment reaches Karachi port

KARACHI: A shipment of 147,000 cubic feet of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) from Qatar arrived at the Karachi anchorage today in a Floating Storage Regasification Unit (FSRU).
Cheers

If we calculate deal size of 22 billion $ and calculate volume for 15 years the price comes around 8 $ per mmbtu...

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Mar 2015 09:39

SSridhar wrote: Sensing Saudi weakness, Pakistan would demand its pound of flesh now. Already, a Apkistani federal minister accused Saudi Arabia directly of being the cause of problems in the Pakistani society and the Saudis meekly took it.

Cannot KSA import soldiers from other Muslim countries, i.e. Bangladesh, Indonesia or Central Asian Muslims (TFTA) or can KSA afford to play BD or Indonesia or CAMs card?

I wish we do something so that Pakis cannot get a good leverage in gulf.
1. Let India persuade Gulf to import soldiers other than Pakis and say, if they do not heed our advice, we will .........
2. Let Iran-USA to open Balochi front with an understanding that free Baloch will give unhindered access to Afgan (US bargain) and Iran will act as a protectorate for new Baloch country (Iran bargain).

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 27 Mar 2015 09:43

Looks like Jumma Dhamaka has struck in Karachi..

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 27 Mar 2015 09:58

VikasRaina wrote:Looks like Jumma Dhamaka has struck in Karachi..

Targeting policemen no less. 11 cops dead so far.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Mar 2015 10:05

Fridins are not disappointing in the Land of the Purest with overflowing Honey, Milk and gentle breeze. AoA.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 27 Mar 2015 11:32

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2015 14:38

Jhujar wrote: Threat to S Arabia will evoke strong reaction from Pakistan: Nawaz
Moise Roar:Malik Ne Phenki Chavani:Naukar Ki Malik Ko Saalami,Issi Ko Kehte Hai Gulami

Saudi ass humko jaan se bhi pyara hai...

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 27 Mar 2015 14:41

Threat to Ass-Arabia evokes strong Erection from Al-Bakistan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2015 14:42

kmkraoind wrote:
Cannot KSA import soldiers from other Muslim countries,

There's no slave like a Pakistani slave. Every part of him is available - capitulation to Arab overlordship has been the Pakistani tradition ever since Mahomet Ghori. A kneeling Pakistani will have his nose exactly at ass level for the standing Saudi.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Mar 2015 15:36

FWIW, KSA recently revoked their law preventing the hiring of bangladeshis.
Looks like they need foot soldiers in all hues and colours now.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Mar 2015 15:49

Heathrow airport accuses PIA of violating UK laws

LAHORE: The Heathrow airport has issued a “yellow card” (or warning) to the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) for allegedly violating laws of the United Kingdom.

The Border Force Heathrow has included PIA in the yellow category because its crewmembers are allegedly involved in carrying restricted items or goods in excess of their (duty-free) personal allowances.

In a letter to PIA, the Heathrow authorities said: “A number of your employees, when operating as crew, have been identified as failing to comply with Border Force policy and/or UK law. Over recent months there have been a number of occasions when ineligible persons have attempted to use the Heathrow Crew Clearance facility, at Building 820. As a result of our checks in Building 820 they have been identified attempting to use it. “Additionally, there have also been persons encountered there who have been found carrying restricted items or goods in excess of their duty-free personal allowances. There have been a number of reminders circulated to airlines to remind you who is eligible to use the Crew Clearance facilitates at Heathrow.

Cheers

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 27 Mar 2015 15:53

Now it is but natural for Shia Iraq and Shia Houthis to arm Shia Saudi s against oppressive Royal Family. It seems Green murdering Green gonna continue for long time.Well done, Uncle & Poodle.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Mar 2015 16:12

http://www.dawn.com/news/1172113

An official of the water and power ministry told Dawn that that projects planned under the Pak-China Economic Corridor had been divided into two categories.

The projects under Pak-China Early Harvest Programme will be completed during the tenure of the present government, while actively promoted projects will remain in the pipeline.

He said problems with PC-1 and lack of commitment by Chinese investors led to switching of the Gadani power project from early harvest programme to the actively promoted category. The project was conceived in haste which lacked economic viability, therefore, potential investors shied away from it, forcing the government to review its plan, the official said.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Mar 2015 16:14

http://www.thehorse.com/features/35434/ ... wo-donkeys

An estimated 7 million donkeys reside in Ethiopia, 6.36 million in China, 4.9 million in Pakistan, 3.35 million in Egypt, and 3.28 million in Mexico.

The Pakistan number should have been closer to 200 million, no? If the 2016 census is ever started and completed, we should know for sure

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Mar 2015 16:45

If Pakistanis deploy ground troops to Yemen, then India should arm the Houthi militia to make Yemen the killing fields or deserts for the Bakis!

Every Baki fauji should be seen on videos how they are taken apart by the Houthi Militia and those videos made available to the Bakis through the usual video file hosting providers like Youtube, etc.

Baki shoes on the ground in Yemen should mean only one thing, those shoes and the Porki trotters in them never return home to Al Bakistan!

If Pakistanis fly Saudi planes, then India should start providing air defense weapons to the Houthis.

If Saudi Arabia wants to have some success in Yemen, they should decide against importing Baki downhill skiers. No Baki soldiers for Yemen, means no Saudi money for Bakis! We Yindoos like it that way!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 27 Mar 2015 17:33

RajeshA wrote:1. If Pakistanis deploy ground troops to Yemen, then India should arm the Houthi militia to make Yemen the killing fields or deserts for the Bakis!

2. Every Baki fauji should be seen on videos how they are taken apart by the Houthi Militia and those videos made available to the Bakis through the usual video file hosting providers like Youtube, etc.

3. Baki shoes on the ground in Yemen should mean only one thing, those shoes and the Porki trotters in them never return home to Al Bakistan!

4. If Pakistanis fly Saudi planes, then India should start providing air defense weapons to the Houthis.

5. If Saudi Arabia wants to have some success in Yemen, they should decide against importing Baki downhill skiers. No Baki soldiers for Yemen, means no Saudi money for Bakis! We Yindoos like it that way!

RajeshA Ji:

1, 2 & 4 : The Iranians will ensure it.

3 & 5 : Leave it to the Houthi militia!
Cheers

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Mar 2015 18:54

SSridhar wrote:If Pakistan joins the fight in Yemen, it would be a good opportunity for R&AW to do some good discreet propaganda within STFUP.

Saudis have "given" Pakis a lot of money (including a recent $3 billion "gift" from a "friendly country" -- as their finance minister put it. http://www.dawn.com/news/1093342 ). This is when oil prices are falling and Saudi oil revenue has declined. Now Saudis are calling in a favor. And Pakistan is acting as though it is "weighing national interest", which as everyone knows is a pile of nandi droppings. Saudis have Paki testimonials in their hands.

The Houthi situation is fascinating: Saudis are attacking them, in Yemen! On top of that they claim that they are backed by Iran (hard to verify, most probably true). If this is true, Saudis would want to do some mischief inside Iran -- what better place to do IT exports from than Pakistan?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Mar 2015 19:58

pity the jeehadis- they are spoilt for choices between east and west of pakisatan,
where to go to yemen afgansitahn or infidel yindoo ruled land.

saudi has immediate need probabaly the jihadis will go to yemen.
ofcourse afghanistan is also so close for victory(relative to tougher yindoo land)

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RajeshA, India should have no role in it.
islam will gain precedence otherwise due to kuffars. of course uncle will not take it kindly. it will fish more in our troubles waters.
now it is between islamic factions/power centers. Here islam nullified and only tribal identities.
let them fight to finish or atleast be at each others throats if stalemate for years/decades to come.