Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Apr 2015 04:49

Daily press conference in Saudi Arabia on the yemen conflict.
In the background are the flags of the nations that are part of the conflict on KSA's side.

Pakistan's flag is also present

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 21 Apr 2015 04:55

A_Gupta wrote:51 MoUs signed by Xi
http://www.dawn.com/news/1177129/detail ... o-pakistan

Only 51? (sign here, here, and here. Initial here. Name in PRINT. sign here, here, here, and here...).

I find this utter lack of number of MoUs with eleven (adding to the backstabbing by not visiting on march 23) very disturbing.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2015 06:15

A_Gupta wrote:51 MoUs signed by Xi
http://www.dawn.com/news/1177129/detail ... o-pakistan

And Chinese money pours into Pakistan....

Joint Statement between the People’s Republic of China and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on establishing the all-weather strategic cooperative partnership.
Minutes of the 4th JCC of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Exchange of Notes of feasibility study of the Demonstration Project of the DTMB
Exchange of notes on provision of Anti-Narcotics Equipment
Exchange of notes on provision of Law Enforcement Equipment
Exchange of Notes on Feasibility Study of Gwadar Hospital
MOU on provision of Chinese Governmental concessional Loan for second phase up-gradation of Karakorum Highway (Havelian to Thakot)
MOU on provision of Chinese Governmental concessional Loan for Karachi-Lahore Motorway (Multan to Sukkur)
MOU on provision of Chinese Governmental concessional Loan for Gwadar port East Bay Expressway Project
MOU on provision of Chinese Governmental concessional Loan for Gwadar International Airport
MOU on cooperation between the State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Films and Television of China and Ministry of Information, Broadcasting and National Heritage of Pakistan.
Triple Party Agreement between China Central Television and PTV and Pakistan Television Foundation on the re-broadcasting of CCTV-NEWS/CCTV -9 Documentary in Pakistan.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 21 Apr 2015 06:21

This transference of primary forefathership to China seems like some sort of China-US dance, which is sync with China-US cooperation in Afghanisthan. So the US wants to aid china to become the primary power in Asia, while "balancing" China by pushing India to get into a tiff with China. Even the best made plans etc...

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2015 06:57

A_Gupta wrote:http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 167482.htm
The first project of China's 40-billion-USD Silk Road Fund for investment in the Belt and Road initiative was unveiled on Monday during Chinese President Xi Jinping's state visit to Pakistan.

The fund will inject capital in China Three Gorges South Asia Investment Ltd, a subsidiary of the China Three Gorges Corp, to develop Pakistan's Karot hydropower project and other clean-energy projects, according to a joint statement issued by the two countries.

It is the fund's first investment since its establishment in December.

This was from March
http://www.dawn.com/news/1166801/punjab ... er-project

The Environmental Protection Agency-Punjab (Punjab-EPA) has approved the 720 megawatt (MW) Karot Hydropower Project worth $1.4 billion.

The project is proposed to be built on the Jhelum River near village Karot in Kahuta tehsil in Rawalpindi district. The proposed project site is 65 kilometres from Rawalpindi city.

The hydropower project would be developed privately by a Chinese company and would be transferred to the government after 30 years of operation, according to the Power Generation Policy 2002. The project will be connected to the national electricity grid in the year 2020.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 21 Apr 2015 07:04

Beijing To Invest $46 Billion In Energy, Infrastructure

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 21 Apr 2015 08:10

The chinese build this "corridor" through PoK quote blatantly, knowing damn well that it is Indian territory.

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 21 Apr 2015 09:22

Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Apr 2015 09:32

Might be time to poll. I vote in five years Pakistan will still be the violent dump it is and there will be no evidence of Chinese investments.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 21 Apr 2015 09:34

Inder Sharma wrote:Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...

It means, Sindh is now expendable and Punjab has new port in form of gwadar.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Apr 2015 09:35

Nothing surprising here. #RANDIs are good salesmen.

Unkil is going to go away and they are scared of a return to 1989, when they were "abandoned". India is getting big and bad and also unfortunately (from their POV) closer to unkil. Then there is Modi.

Now the Soothias are asking for their share of services and RANDIs have pi$$ed them off.

I am sure the hectic and frequent visits of the Sharief brothers to China would have involved some hard "negotiation" or as they say in China: Suk-meh-Dong.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 21 Apr 2015 09:52

Chinese build collidol in PoK?
Watch out.
'indu get vely vely angleeeeeee! . 'indu send dosa to China now.
'Indu look up in sky, ploclaim gleat thoughts 'we arr bettel....Paki too small ..Paki insignifcnt' while deeper-taller ChinaPak pull down 'Indu drouser & underwear.
Ancient Chinese ploverb - "Tibet gone, Aksai gone,PoK gone because 'Indu have no backbone (to fight in Balochistan)'
'Indu still 'stlategizing limited conflict in A/C room of South Block.
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Just filed my tax returns. Small comment made while filing "Please ensure my tax rupee buys high quality imported furreign polish for our military wares"

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Apr 2015 11:12

It would be nice if these paki nincompoops could get that pipeline from Iran going. As opposed to supplying all of of Iran's gas to EU and elsewhere. Countries in Asia, even if it be wortheless Pakistan should have first claim to Asian resources.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Apr 2015 11:18

Inder Sharma wrote:Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...

May be, but it also gives an opportunity for India and China to agree on the division of spoils or maal-e- ghanimat, perhaps. That's another way of looking at it.

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 21 Apr 2015 11:27

To see that corridor as a tripwire inviting a Chinese wrath; or a weak Chinese nerve inviting a meek response - is purely based on how India plans to deter Chinese involvement.

For now, Pakis see this as a security guarantee. Before this, every Paki analyst knew that Chinese wont even risk a mountain goat were the paki chest-nuts on fire.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Apr 2015 11:30

From NightWatch for the night of Apr 20, 2015 (NightWatch is still not subscription service)

China-Pakistan: Chinese President Xi Jinping arrived in Pakistan on 20 April for a 2-day state visit. China and Pakistan issued a joint statement in which they announced their agreement to elevate the relationship to an "All-Weather Strategic Cooperative Partnership."

China said that it "always placed its relationship with Pakistan on a priority position in its foreign policy agenda". Pakistan said the "relationship with China is the cornerstone of Pakistan's foreign policy."

President Xi and Prime Minister Sharif signed multiple agreements, but the most important and most expensive covers the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Concerning this project, the joint statement said,"The two sides highly appreciate the progress to make the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) an important project of 'the Belt and Road'. Pakistan welcomes the creation of the Silk Road Fund by China and its utilization for CPEC-related projects. The Pakistan side will firmly support and actively take part in the building of 'the Belt and Road'…. The two sides believed that the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road initiatives represent a new model of regional and South-South cooperation, which will offer new opportunities for Asia's rejuvenation and the common prosperity of all countries."

"The two sides will actively facilitate the important cooperation projects including the Karakoram Highway (Phase II) Upgrade and Reconstruction; the Gwadar Port; the Karachi-Lahore Motorway (Multan-Sukkur section); the Lahore Metro Orange Line; the Haier-Ruba Economic Zone; the Suki Kinari Hydropower Project; the Pakistan-China Cross-border Fiber Optic Cable; the Landing of the Digital Terrestrial Multimedia Broadcast (DTMB) in Pakistan; as well as a number of energy, infrastructure and power generation projects."

Concerning security issues, President Xi stressed the need for regional peace and stability. That is the same couplet that he has used with all of China's neighbors, including India and North Korea. Xi stated China's concern about developments in Afghanistan. He complimented Pakistan for its steps towards participation in "the global non-proliferation regime."

As for bilateral defense issues, the joint statement contained no new initiatives and nothing that might offend India. {That's because of the impending Modi visit. Anyway, the sale of 8 submarines with possible nuclear weapon-carrying capability is already announced. This gifting of second strike capability is the most important} Xi stressed cooperation and consultation under existing arrangements.

The Economic Corridor

A review of news coverage of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor indicates that China has committed to invest $46 billion in Pakistan's infrastructure. The corridor will build on and expand the capacities of Pakistan's existing road and rail infrastructure, as indicated by the references, above, to specific road sections in Pakistan. It will also incorporate Pakistani railways which run along the Indus River and will feature an oil pipeline from Gwadar to Kashgar.

In all, the corridor will stretch from Kashgar in western China, pass through the Himalayas via the Karakoram Pass and eventually reach the Chinese-built port of Gwadar in southwestern Pakistan.

One commentator wrote that the amount China has committed is three times the total direct foreign investment in Pakistan since 2008.

Comment: With this project, China has committed itself to rebuilding Pakistan's ground transportation backbone. The Corridor essentially will incorporate Pakistan's infrastructure into that of western China. Construction of an oil pipeline from Gwadar to Kashgar is a key feature of the Corridor. It will be a strategic line of communications for China that avoids the Malacca Strait and the waters of Southeast and East Asia, which the US and allied navies dominate.

China has somewhat similar projects that will cross central Asia and link to Iran and to Europe. This will be the only one that runs through a Chinese client state.

This purpose of this project, and the others like it, is to help ensure China's strategic survival in a potential future crisis with the US or India. The Belt and Road projects will enable China to receive goods and materials even if its east coast ports are blockaded.

Pakistan's acceptance of this aid has important strategic consequences. In a potential confrontation with the US, Pakistan will have no choice but to side with China. It will not be able to turn down Chinese demands, as it did those of Saudi Arabia.

Assuming China follows the development model it applies to large projects in Africa, much of the labor, security and the raw materials will come from China. The investment most likely will be through Chinese construction companies or joint ventures.

Pakistan will benefit from the upgrades and the multiplier effects of a building a modern transportation backbone. China also will be compelled to protect the Corridor if Pakistan gets into a scrape with India.

A brief comparison of today's joint statement with the China-India joint statement of September 2014, when President Xi visited India, is instructive. China described the relationship with India as a "Strategic and Cooperative Partnership for Peace and Prosperity." The stress was on peace, stability and prosperity plus resolution of disputes through dialogue.

The content and tone of the Indian joint statement described a kind of partnership that is different from that described for Pakistan. It contained a strong sense of equality that is missing from the Pakistani statement. At multiple points China and India agreed to work together for regional peace, prosperity and development. .

By comparison, the Pakistan joint statement is closer to a work order agreement in which Pakistan supports Chinese strategic goals. The tone is that used by a superior power assisting a needy subordinate. {Though I highlighted this comparison, I am mightily pi$$ed off by this. How can there be a comparsion between countries which differ in size by 10x and which have different aspirations, economic, political, scientific, military, cultural trajectories?}

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 21 Apr 2015 11:33

Tuvaluan wrote:The chinese build this "corridor" through PoK quote blatantly, knowing damn well that it is Indian territory.

India would be fully within its rights to destroy this structure and should do it explicitly. Allow some construction to be made in PoK and then send a not-so-covert force to destroy it totally. When neighbors make a noise, communicate that India took a lawful step to remove illegal structures made in our territory without our permission. And express a mild warning to not indulge in illegal activities in PoK which is an integral part of India. I believe Cheen is expecting this and that is why they have stationed hundreds / thousands of their soldiers to provide security to their constructions.

We do not need to have too much fear here about escalation. Destroying illegal structures in PoK would be similar to how Chinese destroy constructions (including roads) of their neighbors if it falls under territory that China claims disputed or as its own.

The only question mark and a big one is whether we have the wherewithal on the ground and in our leadership to take this stance. It for sure would be a very bold move.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Apr 2015 11:37

A glance and I am surprised that sane people and so called analyst can claim the following (Not you SS Saar)

1. Oil and gas imports to western China when it abuts the oil rich Central Asian Republic
2. Answer to Malacca dilemma. The KKH is as big a choke point as Malacca.

This is just incorporating #RANDI talking points without any application of mind.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 21 Apr 2015 11:41

India should take a public stance that we will not allow Pukistan a state that uses terrorism as an unofficial instrument of the state to have nuclear second strike capability as it will make the region unstable with disastrous consequences for world peace. Just like how Israel will go to any extent to prevent Iran from having nukes, India should go to any extent to contain Pukis nuke capabilities. Due to protection of US enjoyed by Pukis, we weren't able to take out Pukis nuclear establishments in 80s under IG. But now we should eliminate their submarine fleet as and when it reaches Pukiland through over or covert operations. India should leave no stone un-turned to accomplish this quest.

It is futile to evolve counter strategies after rabid jihadists get nuke second strike capability. Even if it means risking a limited nuke war, we should go for eliminating nuke second strike capability of Pukis. Once US army withdraws from Afghanistan, they would have little use for Pukis and will remain embroiled in rest of ME and with Russia. We should use that opportunity to announce Pukis as a terrorist state and enforce a naval blockage and destroy their naval infrastructure so that any Puki dream of operating a submarine is set back in calendar by 20 years or so.

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 21 Apr 2015 11:43

Inder Sharma wrote:To see that corridor as a tripwire inviting a Chinese wrath; or a weak Chinese nerve inviting a meek response - is purely based on how India plans to deter Chinese involvement.

For now, Pakis see this as a security guarantee. Before this, every Paki analyst knew that Chinese wont even risk a mountain goat were the paki chest-nuts on fire.

, I would suggest the other way around, it will be first one to be targeted (one stone two birds) unless Pakistan sell half of itself to chinks.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Apr 2015 11:44

Taking public stand without having the wherewithal to prevent it is like drawing redlines on sand at a beach.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Apr 2015 11:49

RKumar wrote: , I would suggest the other way around, it will be first one to be targeted (one stone two birds) unless Pakistan sell half of itself to *deleted*

Correct. We will target Balk assets inside Indian or at the most Bak territory.

By that logic bombing of the Ford factory at Sanand will invite the US into the Indo-Pak duel on India's side. Does not work that way. China, if it wants to get into a conflict with India for Bakis, does not need a reason and it it does will invent one.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 21 Apr 2015 11:54

Agreed. Thats what I called out in the previous post. The biggest question is whether we have the wherewithal to do it. If we do not, our #1 priority should be to quickly develop it. Our long term survival is at stake and we absolutely cannot allow Pukis to get nuke second strike capability. Alternative option would be to keep silence and to develop a massive covert capability that triggers accidents to sub bases, nuke installations, etc., and cause massive dent to Puki nuclear, missile / sub capabilities so they do not have a credible second strike capability. I shudder to think what will happen when Puki Jihadi madmen get second strike capability.

I remember reading that IG planned to take out Puki nuke installations in 80s in a joint operation with Israel but CIA found out about it and foiled it. After 30+ years, we have another window of opportunity with Pukis in their worst state with their key backers - US and Gulf embroiled in their own mess (both economic and military) and would not have the capability to come to assistance of Pukis. That means we deal only with Puki and Cheen instead of dealing with the combined might of US and Gulf. Time to act is now.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Apr 2015 16:42

pankajs wrote:A glance and I am surprised that sane people and so called analyst can claim the following (Not you SS Saar)

1. Oil and gas imports to western China when it abuts the oil rich Central Asian Republic
2. Answer to Malacca dilemma. The KKH is as big a choke point as Malacca.

This is just incorporating #RANDI talking points without any application of mind.

pankajs Ji

Please check the following Map. You will find that there is a Crude Oil (Black) and Natural Gas (Green) Pipelines emanating from Lumen(Spelling?) and Korla(Spelling?) are from Xinjiang Oil and Natural Gas Fields. Why in the name of Pakistani Stupidity would the Chinese Import Oil and natural Gas through Gwadar?

In addition SSridhar Ji posted the following Chinese Oil and Natural Gas Pipelines from the Port of Kyaukpyu to Kunming :

With Oil And Gas Pipelines, China Takes A Shortcut Through Myanmar

It is patent that the Denizens of the Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists have been hypnotized by the Chinese Snake and are incapable of realizing the real intentions of Eleven & Co.
Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Apr 2015 17:58

As usual, the Jinnah-crusader Yasir Latif Hamdani is out at denigrating Dhuipala's recent work. The following is an excerpt from a reply by Ishtiaq Ahmed to YLH

Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a strict constitutionalist until he embraced mass politics after the adoption of the March 23, 1940 resolution. Thereafter, there is no dearth of his speeches that emphasise the religious factor determining his nationalist commitment. He even invoked sharia as the source of law in Pakistan on many occasions. That he could mobilise Shias, Sunnis, Ahle Hadith and Ahmedis behind the demand for Pakistan is testimony to his genius as a politician. However, this Islamic heritage has bequeathed a fascination down the ages for the pristine Islamic state of Medina established in the seventh century; its appeal by no means is limited only to the ulema. However, the fact often ignored is that neither doctrinally nor historically were these groups ever a coherent community of believers. On the contrary, the history of munazaras (doctrinal debates) between different Muslim sects and sub-sects amply shows that they invariably ended up damning one another.

I am convinced Jinnah was never interested in Pakistan becoming a theocratic state but he won Pakistan in the name of Islam and with the help of the ulema, some Deobandis, Ahle Hadith and Shias as well as Ahmedi spiritual leaders, but substantially with the support of the Sunni-Barelvi ulema and pirs of northwestern India whose vast networks of mosques and shrines came into action during the 1945-1946 election campaign and enabled the Muslim League to sweep the polls. Jinnah’s August 11, 1947 speech was no doubt an attempt at damage control but one speech alone could not have achieved that and the fact is that it did not.

member_28921 · Post by **member_28921** » 21 Apr 2015 18:01

Al Bakistan's foreign trade being constrained by small minded baniyas and vengeful sheikhs.

Remember all the talk about how free trade between Al Bakistan will help bring the two countries together. Please see these disturbing developments, where Baki attempts at free trade are being rebuffed:
1. Indian coastguard stops Bakistani traders from delivering Rs 600 crore worth of Dawa (as in Jamaat ul Dawa). Why? India sells cheap drugs to Pakistan - why can't Bakistan do the same?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 39384.aspx

2. Just saw on CNN IBN, a Bangladeshi national coming from Karachi was arrested in Qatar for carrying Rs 2.5 crore of fake Indian currency. This birathar wouldn't have to take this roundabout route had the borders been open and porous. This is truly a loss of people on both the sides. Link not available at the moment.

This is unacceptable - these are two of the top three exports, apart from IT, from Al Bakistan and help maintain a strategic balance in the subcontinent. In the name of free trade and economic parity with India, free movement between borders should be allowed. If Bakistan's trade is restricted, India will pull ahead and this will disturb the strategic geostrategic balance of the subcontinent.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 21 Apr 2015 19:15

udaym wrote:Beijing To Invest $46 Billion In Energy, Infrastructure

Look like bakistani juglar vein is going right under the nose of tiger.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 21 Apr 2015 19:41

Inder Sharma wrote:Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...

It is also a way to rapidly bring Chinese troops and materiel close to Indian border.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 21 Apr 2015 19:50

saip wrote:
LokeshC wrote:WTF is a lawn? I thought a lawn was a green grass cover in pure qyoon of brishit engrish. Does it mean clothing in pingrish?
Never heard of Lawn Cloth?

"Lawn cloth or lawn is a plain weave textile, originally of linen but now chiefly cotton. Lawn is designed using fine, high count yarns, which results in a silky, untextured feel. The fabric is made using either combed or carded yarns."

It it like in Laung da lashkara?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2015 20:18

Inder Sharma wrote:Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...

Why do you say that? Do you believe that in case of war India should be or will be scared that the Chinese will wake up and kick our asses, and tippy toe around without tripping this "trip wire"?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 21 Apr 2015 20:26

shiv wrote:
Inder Sharma wrote:Chinese corridor will act as a tripwire for Indian forces to deter IA from going-in too deep; or from destroying the Pakistani infra irreparably...
Why do you say that? Do you believe that in case of war India should be or will be scared that the Chinese will wake up and kick our asses, and tippy toe around without tripping this "trip wire"?

Pardon my naive thinking, but I feel that if this corridor really becomes successful (and a lifeline for Chinese fuel/material supply), India will have ek teer do nishane with crossing the Indus. China is not a fool to give India such an easy target (sans any natural barriers). The massive Strike Corps would have a reason to expand.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2015 20:37

During war nobody checks to see which company owns the fuel depot before bombing it.

I think this is the first time china is playing great power politics using every tool in its arsenal. Weapons, money, influence. It is to be expected that they'll start in their backyard.

This might be a good news for India. If Pakistan gets on the path of development and decided to abandon its national security schizophrenia it can only be good for the region.

What's most likely to happen though is that Pakistan will show this largesse and get more money from its 3.5 friends claiming that otherwise it will become China's client. Then it will default on repaying China's money and claim that it is China's strategic partner so china should shut up.

Two less reported developments. Apparently president eleven spoke to Saudi king from Al Bakistan and met Saudi ambassador as well. Pakistan is using china to stave off Saudi pressure?

Second thing is that one of the projects is for a "sensitive communication project" which is most likely fiber optic ccable linking Pakistan to china. Now why would they want to do that?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 21 Apr 2015 20:41

The entire corridor smells of utter BS -- I mean, Balochistan is hardly friendly territory and a few chinese engineers got shot there not so long ago, after which China stopped its construction projects. This may just be some PR for the paki visit by Eleven Dingding, though there may be parts that are partially true, like getting the KKH highway working again by september

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/ar ... ?id=277254

The army has a dedicated SSG to guard chinese workers, and they will need a force much larger if they are to protect this so-called corridor to Gwadar

http://www.dawn.com/news/1177322/armys- ... n-pakistan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2015 20:49

The corridor might be BS but the power plants are not. They are to be chinese owned and operated for 30 years with guaranteed power purchases by the pakis. There is a 100 MW solar plant in Bhawalpur that is already operational this way. They are seeking to expand it to 900MW.

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Apr 2015 20:50

The Pakis have managed to do something seriously wrong. Look at this article by Hood Boy in NYT. http://nyti.ms/1OButuC on Pakistan being Soddy Barbaria's Nook Lear p*mp. Something which everyone knew about, but never mentioned publicly (also notice how the wink-wink role of the US and the "certifications" of Ronald Reagan as Pakistan was Nook Noode onree in the 80s and the Chinese role in transferring tech and warhead design is airbrushed out carefully) and now being publicly talked about in the official mouthpiece of the US establishment , NY Times (the NY Toilet in these Pakistan/Kakoose matters, but sigh. what to do, as a former New Yorker, love that rag ).

The Saudis if they have any sense of irony know that the Iranian program is funded by them onree , as Walmart Khan , hawked their wares everywhere from No Ko to Iran to Libya ! Unkil gets some serious Khujli from No Ko, and Soddies get Khujli from Iran, all thanks to the milk they poured to hand rear that venomous snake Pakistan. Sure, a snake does what it does, bit the hand that feeds it. The Soddies and Unkil get their just desserts , here, I have no sympathy.

Now looks like that Pakiland is getting ready to hop into bed with the new John, oops Chang and the old guys seem to have lost control over it. And they are hopping mad. So what is Soddy Barbaria going to do ? Kick out some 50K packs to start with. Put the nut cracker on some of the investments of the Krore Kamandus in the Gelf , turn off the supply of cheap /discounted/free oil ? The Pakis have told them that they wouldn't come to save the Soddies if they are lamb posted by Al Keeda or the Hooties or anyone , by refusing to become cannon fodder in Yemen.

Interesting days. Somehow, I have a feeling that the new Chang is just going to have not much money to throw over the high maintenance raand that Pakis are despite all the protestations of this and that. They are too hard headed for that and know how to use the rand and will enter only with condoms on. The Pakis are as usual being tactically smart and strategically stupid.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Apr 2015 20:56

Just occurred to me ...

The Economic corridor is being sold enthusiastically in the name of bringing development of Bakistan precisely to hide the selling of Bakistan to the Cheenis for the long-term at the terms determined by the Cheenis.

Imagine power projects being built at about 50% inflated cost with a guaranteed power purchase agreement indexed to imported coal whose price can be hiked by the Cheenis at will. How do you cover that stink? By pointing to $47 billion in MOUs and the gleat future that the economic corridor will bring!

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Apr 2015 20:59

Anujan wrote: Second thing is that one of the projects is for a "sensitive communication project" which is most likely fiber optic ccable linking Pakistan to china. Now why would they want to do that?

Coz. the other communication lines are via the global links running via gelf and dhoti wallah Yindoos next door, and that goes without saying that EVERY byte of communication out of Parkland and also within is tapped by Unkil and the Yindoos next door (how do you think that the Kommunkiashun of Gola from China with whoever he spoke in Parkland was picked up, my guess is this way onree) . So, Pakiland is trying to create a secure link with China for "sensitive" traffic. Oh, you talk wireless, the Yindoos and Yankees don't even need to bother tapping the fiber, they can just pick it off the air, misphorchunately.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2015 21:00

Anujan wrote:During war nobody checks to see which company owns the fuel depot before bombing it.

I think this is the first time china is playing great power politics using every tool in its arsenal. Weapons, money, influence. It is to be expected that they'll start in their backyard.

This might be a good news for India. If Pakistan gets on the path of development and decided to abandon its national security schizophrenia it can only be good for the region.

Anybody noticed the Jammu and Kashmir map in that corridor.

The entire POK is disputed and India is claiming that land. No country would risk their strategic corridor in land region which is disputed and the people are up against the local military govt.

India has every right to claim that region and any strategic material in that region which is against India can be used as a threat against India. India can strike at anything which can create threat to India.

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Apr 2015 21:02

Anujan wrote:The corridor might be BS but the power plants are not. They are to be chinese owned and operated for 30 years with guaranteed power purchases by the pakis. There is a 100 MW solar plant in Bhawalpur that is already operational this way. They are seeking to expand it to 900MW.

What fuel are they using ? Gas ? That could explain the pipeline Iran/Pakistan business. But seriously, can they afford Gas based power at all ? That will be of the order of Rs 9 INR per (is that something like 14PKR ?) . Once those investments happen on the ground,the Iranians will have them by the testimonials and can demand whatever they want (approaching LNG rates for e.g.) , and there will be no choice to pay. No Abdul Lungi can afford it. The Chinese are looking at another white elephant / write offs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2015 21:10

Did anyone bother reading the 51 "MOUs"?

This is what we have about the Karakorum highway
"MOU on provision of Chinese Governmental concessional Loan for second phase up-gradation of Karakorum Highway (Havelian to Thakot)"

Havelian and Thakot are about 100 km apart and the Chinese are going to give a concessional loan for upgradingthat stretch. On this thread people seem to have constructed the entire highway, put Chinese soldiers on there and are asking if India should be scared or not.

Has anyone checked if that lake across the highway has now been bridged or bypassed yet? It has been 3 years.