Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby vishvak » 09 Mar 2015 00:17

Peregrine wrote:Sartaj Aziz Begging for an Invitation to Visit India
ISLAMABAD: Advisor to Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz said on Sunday that Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary will visit India when his counterpart will invite him for the resumption of dialogue process between the two countries.

Really? :rotfl:
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Didn't the jihadis got one country already to wreck it around and make it International Terror center? In fact all supporters, backers, participants and leaders of jihadi mob already got Terroristan to hallucinate about, and should not be allowed to set their foot in India and further any goals. They got one country, they better make it secular and free of violence first, and within a deadline.

In fact, there was another whine from the likes of Sartaz Ashitz types (per few message ago on BRF), that time about how talks are not progressing! So who is in charge in Pakistan to come out whining when talks are not progressing - and thereby reveal who is in charge!

It is one thing to complain when talk are progressing and jihadi army is not getting its due, it is quite another when talks are not progressing and come out whining and showing who is in charge.
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Postby Gagan » 09 Mar 2015 04:15

Jhujar wrote:
arshyam wrote:Maybe she was referring to the importance of good bowel movements every morning :rotfl:

Pure Halal Link from The Fartress of Deen

ISLAMABAD: More than 40 million people in Pakistan do not have access to a toilet, forcing them to defecate in the open, which in turn is a major contributor to stunting in the country, a top Unicef official said.

Firstly and lastly, this report is misinformed and is a false propaganda piece.

200 million Pakistanis already live in Pakistan, why do they need more Pakistans in Pakistan hain ji?

Enough of this toilet humor kyon ji !!! :((

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Prem » 09 Mar 2015 09:54

Modi due in 2016, Xi’s visit being scheduled
Sharam Magar Paki Ko Aati Nahi

ISLAMABAD: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to visit Pakistan next year to attend the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc) summit, whereas dates for Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit are being worked out.

Talking to reporters after attending a two-day conference at the 6th Think Tank Forum of Islamic Countries that concluded on Sunday, Sartaj Aziz, the prime minister’s adviser on National Security and Foreign Affairs, said: “Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will certainly visit Pakistan next year.”About Pak-India relations, Mr Aziz said that the recent foreign secretaries’ meeting had paved the way for formal talks between the two sides, adding: “All matters of common interest will be included in the talks, whenever they are started.”Last year, India suspended talks with Pakistan slated for August after a Pakistani envoy met Kashmiri leaders in New Delhi.Indian Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar visited Pakistan last week as part of a trip to Saarc member states, and the visit has raised hopes for the resumption of bilateral talks.The adviser said that although the Indian foreign secretary’s visit was on a Saarc agenda, both sides had used the opportunity to discuss bilateral issues.“Our foreign secretary would visit India whenever they invite us,” he said, adding that there should be progress and both sides should explore ways to build on confidence-building measures.
The adviser said that the then Indian prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee visited Pakistan in Feb 1999, but soon after, the Kargil war between the two countries and the military takeover in Pakistan spoiled all efforts to create better bilateral ties.Mr Aziz termed the lack of trust between Pakistan and India a major issue and said there would be progress on other issues if trust was gradually restored.Talking about President Xi’s visit to Pakistan, he said that dates for the trip were being worked out. “The Chinese president will not visit Pakistan on March 23,” he said.In September last year, the Chinese president postponed his trip to Pakistan due to “security reasons” at a time when protesters were camped outside the Parliament House.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby kenop » 09 Mar 2015 10:52

Mean-e-while
Out of 160 invited for Pakistan Day Parade on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/events/337659079757592/)
35 are attending
7 are maybe attending.


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Postby Shreeman » 09 Mar 2015 14:40



They arent capable of getting anything back, but a decent salvage crew certainly could. One wonders if anything that landed in the arabian sea was then taken usama-style by someone else and examined. Certainly could give an idea of whether there is any real payload capability in these rockets.

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Postby Aditya_V » 09 Mar 2015 14:48



Considering there was no Notam looks this landed somewhere close to the Pakistani coast. The launch also seems from southern Pakistan, dry area South Punjab, Sindh or Baluchistan, so this 2750KM missile flew a depressed trajectory not greater 600KM.

PS> International Flight and shipping paths run less than 200KM from the Pakistani coast so this was within that zone.

Looks exactly like Shaheen 2, no details regarding weight etc. Seems like upgraded version of M-9 again flown for the 673Km as detected by Indian AABM radars like in 2012.

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Postby sudhan » 09 Mar 2015 14:51

^^If it landed in the international waters, I hope small hearted yindoos with their kaffir radars, djinn techknawlajees and dhoti clad, thin-legged divers go fishing and snare up some debris

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Postby arun » 09 Mar 2015 15:29

Being coy doesn’t change the reality of modern Pakistan — a corrupt, politically savage and physically broken society : Pakistan wilfully became an Islamic Republic and allowed religious bigotry to overwhelm its population:

Robert Fisk In the Independent

Excerpt:

…………………………. Pakistan itself is a deeply corrupt, politically savage and physically broken society, founded – like other dangerous nations – on the basis of religion, carved out, in Pakistan’s case, as a homeland for India’s Muslims. It was created as well over seven million Indian Muslims crossed the British partition frontier in one of the greatest migrations of souls in history. So ill-managed was this venture that within three decades, Pakistan was “re-partitioned” by the loss of West Bengal in a war that witnessed frightful atrocities by soldiers of the Pakistani army.

Now, I’m one of the few Brits I know who likes Pakistan. Although its history, its society, its attempts at democracy, its films – even its food – are recognisably Indian, its people have maintained their dignity. Their love of books, their admiration for the rule of law (the courage of the country’s lawyers is, alas, in inverse proportion to their achievements) and their sense of national pride in education, make Pakistan a wonderful country for any visitor – if the traveller can avoid being kidnapped, raped, murdered or imprisoned. For Pakistan wilfully became an “Islamic Republic” and allowed the worst perversions of religious bigotry to overwhelm its population. Child marriage, “honour” crimes against women, violent patriarchy, mass slaughter of religious minorities, political assassination and corruption – from the shoe-shine boy to the presidency – have blighted the lives of all 182 million of its people……………………….

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Mar 2015 16:54

arun wrote:Being coy doesn’t change the reality of modern Pakistan — a corrupt, politically savage and physically broken society : Pakistan wilfully became an Islamic Republic and allowed religious bigotry to overwhelm its population:

Robert Fisk In the Independent

Excerpt:

…………………………. Pakistan itself is a deeply corrupt, politically savage and physically broken society, founded – like other dangerous nations – on the basis of religion, carved out, in Pakistan’s case, as a homeland for India’s Muslims. It was created as well over seven million Indian Muslims crossed the British partition frontier in one of the greatest migrations of souls in history. So ill-managed was this venture that within three decades, Pakistan was “re-partitioned” by the loss of West Bengal in a war that witnessed frightful atrocities by soldiers of the Pakistani army.

Now, I’m one of the few Briturds I know who likes Pakistan. Although its history, its society, its attempts at democracy, its films – even its food – are recognisably Indian, its people have maintained their dignity. Their love of books, their admiration for the rule of law (the courage of the country’s lawyers is, alas, in inverse proportion to their achievements) and their sense of national pride in education, make Pakistan a wonderful country for any visitor – if the traveller can avoid being kidnapped, raped, murdered or imprisoned. For Pakistan wilfully became an “Islamic Republic” and allowed the worst perversions of religious bigotry to overwhelm its population. Child marriage, “honour” crimes against women, violent patriarchy, mass slaughter of religious minorities, political assassination and corruption – from the shoe-shine boy to the presidency – have blighted the lives of all 182 million of its people……………………….


arun Ji :

Could you or any other Forum Guru inform the Cwapistan loving Ignoramus, on Twitter, that his General Knowlege especcially Geograph is below primary school level. Cwapistan never had, does not have nor will ever have West Bengal.

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Mar 2015 17:42

Aditya_V wrote:
Seems like upgraded version of M-9 again flown for the 673Km as detected by Indian AABM radars like in 2012.

This is DF-21, 2-stage, solid-propellant 2500 Km range. Shaheen-2 was DF-15.

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Postby Virendra » 09 Mar 2015 17:49

arun wrote:Being coy doesn’t change the reality of modern Pakistan — a corrupt, politically savage and physically broken society : Pakistan wilfully became an Islamic Republic and allowed religious bigotry to overwhelm its population:

Robert Fisk In the Independent


"...The minister said a US intelligence official had told him: “You are so cheap … we can buy you with a visa, with a visit to the US, even with a dinner…” :lol: :lol:

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Postby chetak » 09 Mar 2015 18:32

Taseer murder case: IHC upholds Mumtaz Qadri's death sentence


March 9, 2015

ISLAMABAD: Islamabad High Court (IHC) upheld Mumtaz Qadri’s death sentence on Monday under Section-302 of the Pakistan Penal Code for killing former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer, but struck out a terrorism conviction, making it unlikely he will be executed soon.

The Islamabad High Court dismissed an appeal against the death sentence by Mumtaz Qadri, a former police bodyguard who shot dead Punjab governor Salman Taseer in Islamabad in 2011. However, declared Qadri’s death sentence under the Anti Terrorism Act null and void.

Qadri admitted shooting Taseer, saying he objected to the politician’s calls to reform Pakistan’s strict blasphemy laws which can carry the death penalty.

Judges Noorul Haq Qureshi and Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui dismissed the appeal over the murder charge.

But they also set aside Qadri’s conviction on terrorism charges, which means it is highly unlikely he will be sent to the gallows any time soon.

An anti-terrorism court handed down double death sentences for murder and terrorism to Qadri in late 2011. However, the self-confessed killer of the former governor Punjab had filed an appeal in the court against his conviction which the IHC dismissed.

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Postby arun » 09 Mar 2015 20:19

After being challenged in Jammu & Kashmir by coalition partner PDP, the BJP led Government of our Prime Minister Narender Modi along with our country India, is challenged by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Hot on the heels of our Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar’s March 3 visit to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Islamic Republic’s High Commissioner to India meets with Mohammadden Kashmiri separatists. :

Pak High Commissioner meets Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2015 21:09

arun, Is this the same Paki HC who talked to hurrirats earlier resulting in cancellation of talks?
If so very clear case to make him PNG.
He doesn't seem to get it.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Mar 2015 21:10

arun wrote:After being challenged in Jammu & Kashmir by coalition partner PDP, the BJP led Government of our Prime Minister Narender Modi along with our country India, is challenged by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Hot on the heels of our Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar’s March 3 visit to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Islamic Republic’s High Commissioner to India meets with Mohammadden Kashmiri separatists. :

Pak High Commissioner meets Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani


arun Ji :

I remember reading somewhere that the Cwapistanis were told not to have intercourse with the Hurriyat if the Cwapistanis want to talk to India wrt Kashmir i.e. either us or the Hurriyat.

since the Cwapistanis are talking to the Hurriyat on Kashmir so India now does not have to have any discussions with Cwapistan on Kashmir.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Mar 2015 21:38

Riyadh rendezvous: Pakistan in a fix over Saudi request for help against IS

ISLAMABAD: Islamabad is in a fix over whether to accept Riyadh’s request for support to preempt possible military incursions into Saudi Arabia by the Islamic State (IS), the ultra-extremist group which has made significant gains in both Iraq and Syria.
The issue was a key item on the agenda during Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit to Saudi Arabia, where he received an unprecedented welcome from newly crowned King Salman bin Abdulaziz, a senior government official told The Express Tribune on condition of anonymity.
Premier Nawaz visited the oil-rich kingdom last week on the special invitation of the Saudi monarch, who is believed to be looking up to his closest allies, including Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan, to boost security at Saudi border in a bid to ward off the IS threat.
According to a statement issued by Pakistan’s Foreign Office following talks between the prime minister and the Saudi king, the two leaders shared similar views on all important issues, including the need to combat terrorism.
The senior official confirmed that the two leaders discussed increased security cooperation between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Although he declined to go into detail, it is believed that Riyadh wants Islamabad to send troops to help it in the fight against IS.
In return, the new Saudi monarch has offered Islamabad an economic package, which includes supply of oil on deferred payment, said another official familiar with the discussion.
So far, Prime Minister Nawaz has not given Saudi Arabia any firm assurance over the request. The government is cautious about getting embroiled in any new controversy which could have far-reaching implications for Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries as well as the United States formed a coalition last September against IS. But Pakistan attempted to distance itself from any such coalition fearing negative fallout.
Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry recently informed the Senate panel on foreign affairs that Pakistan would not become part of any international coalition against IS. “It [Pakistan] should only support multilateral action against IS under the UN Security Council resolution under Chapter VII of the UN Charter,” the top diplomat told the committee.
The policy appears to suggest that Pakistan intends to tread a careful path over the IS issue. The cautious approach is attributed to the fact that joining the fight against IS would create more trouble for Pakistan, which is already preoccupied with fighting its own war against several militant groups.
Another factor is that because of Iran, the current government, despite having close ties with the Saudi royal family, does not want to be seen as too much aligned with Saudi Arabia.
The official pointed out that this changing regional and international situation is certainly throwing new challenges for the country on foreign policy issues.
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Postby arun » 09 Mar 2015 21:42

UNICEF warns Islamic Republic of Pakistan that TFTA’s will become SDRE’s because of open defecation caused by a lack of toilets:

UNICEF warns lack of toilets in Pakistan tied to stunting

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Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2015 21:58

arun wrote:UNICEF warns Islamic Republic of Pakistan that TFTA’s will become SDRE’s because of open defecation caused by a lack of toilets:

UNICEF warns lack of toilets in Pakistan tied to stunting



Tauba Tauba they are eating their own excreta!

Add to the in-breeding leading to rat faced people.

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Postby ramana » 09 Mar 2015 22:00

Falcon, During the 1980s KSA wanted Paki troops to fight the Iraqis. Zia didn't oblige and they were sent back. Circa late 1987

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Postby Sridhar » 09 Mar 2015 22:09

SSridhar wrote:This is DF-21, 2-stage, solid-propellant 2500 Km range. Shaheen-2 was DF-15.


There were some reports last year that Saudi Arabia had purchased these missiles. Perhaps it was a joint purchase deal, or maybe the Saudis funded the acquisition for the Pakistanis.

Also, isn't the DF-15/M-9 single-staged? Whereas the Shaheen-2 is a two-stage missile (like the DF-21)?

At least visually, the Shaheen-2 and Shaheen-3 seem to be very similar if not the same. The Pakistanis often overstate the range, and have in the past had new designations for virtually the same missile (perhaps with increased range due to reduced payload, or with minor changes). So this might be such a case, with the Shaheen-3 being a refinement of the Shaheen-2 with either small modifications, or with increased range due to reduced payload.

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Postby Prem » 09 Mar 2015 22:35

arun wrote:AfHot on the heels of our Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar’s March 3 visit to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Islamic Republic’s High Commissioner to India meets with Mohammadden Kashmiri separatists. : Pak High Commissioner meets Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani


Either declare him PNG or restrict his movement .

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Postby disha » 09 Mar 2015 22:41



PeeRF Jingoes - why are you so disdainful of Baki achievements! :evil:

I saw the video and they did *SUCCESSFULLY* launched the Raakit.

And it did come down *SUCCESSFULLY* in the Barbarian sea.

So what is the takleef? Regarding where it landed - well it is a secret! :mrgreen:

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Mar 2015 23:15

arun wrote:AfHot on the heels of our Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar’s March 3 visit to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Islamic Republic’s High Commissioner to India meets with Mohammadden Kashmiri separatists. : Pak High Commissioner meets Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani

Jhujar wrote:Either declare him PNG or restrict his movement .

Jhujar Ji :

Wouldn't it be better if GOI wants the Indian High Commissioner and later on the Indian Foreign Secretary demanding a meeting with the Balochistan separatist movement.
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Postby Nandu » 10 Mar 2015 00:01

Peregrine wrote:Wouldn't it be better if GOI wants the Indian High Commissioner and later on the Indian Foreign Secretary demanding a meeting with the Balochistan separatist movement.
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No, there is nothing to be gained by suggesting Balochistan is an anlog or equal-equal to Kashmir.

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Postby A_Gupta » 10 Mar 2015 00:09

^^^ Exactly. The tick bites the elephant does not provoke a response of the elephant bites the tick. The elephant just brushes it off.

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Postby Shreeman » 10 Mar 2015 00:30

Actually, if the elephant liked the sugercane then it wouldnt mind the odd ant and eat the sugarcane anyway.

The solution is to support Baluchistan, and Balwaristan, and every other stan. But only on their individual merit.

Otherwise this is not a pachyderm we are talking about, but a cow that turns direction at the slightest frown from a turd.

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Postby pankajs » 10 Mar 2015 00:37

Actually if we want to meet we should meet POK folks just to rub in the fact that POK is part of India. It would annoy the Bakis like hell but is inline with our current position and parliamentary resolutions.

What we do with other stans let it remain the way it is.

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Postby chaanakya » 10 Mar 2015 01:11

Pakis would not be as tolerant of POK leaders meeting Indian officials. Soon after they would be hastened to meet their 72. So India needs to start overt and covert support to POK elements and see how it goes. Another thing NaMo should expedite giving citizenship to Hindu/Sikh refugees from POK as well as Pakistan. Put it in media limelight as much as possible.

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Postby Shreeman » 10 Mar 2015 02:14

Mushie Musik Festival ongoing in Kraachi -- http://etaleem.net/25277/tlism-festival ... uncil.html

Why have they renamed it aj tlijm? And why ij this still permitted in the green land?

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Postby Gagan » 10 Mar 2015 07:15

Of all the two nation theories within Pakistan, the one which seems to be causing immense khujli to the fauji establishment is the Pakhtoonistan Liberation Movement followed by the Balochistan Libertion Movement.

The shaheen solid fuelled missles are manufactured and launched from the Kala Chitta site west of Islamabad, close to Attock.
Their Liquid fuelled missiles are made next to KRL, Kahuta. These are launched from the Maksood Test Range, near Jhelum.
Their Babur cruise missile has a launch site west of karachi in the Sonmiani testing range in coastal baluchistan.

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Postby Gagan » 10 Mar 2015 07:23

The Pakistani establishment has been delivered a massive series of thappads from the Modi GOI.
Let the poor souls get some vicarious pleasure by meeting Geelani. It is a useless meet anyways.

PDP and BJP are busy in the valley, politiking. Geelani is increasingly marginalized within the hurriyat itself. Poor guy has to do something to boost himself. Mirwaiz sidestepped the meet-the-paki-ambassador issue very cleverly by stating that because India takes offense, they'll not meet the pakis.

This is a face saving attempt by Pakistan more than anything else, it must be eliciting some 'I told u so' smiles in the intel apparatus in dilli.

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Postby SSridhar » 10 Mar 2015 11:52

Peregrine wrote:Wouldn't it be better if GOI wants the Indian High Commissioner and later on the Indian Foreign Secretary demanding a meeting with the Balochistan separatist movement.

I should prefer India demanding meeting with disgruntled elements in GB. Pakistan may say Balochistan is not a piece of contention between the two countries and in fact use it as a proof that India is helping the BLA. OTOH, GB is ours, illegally occupied by Pakistan and there are elements there who have issues with Pakistan.

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Postby arun » 10 Mar 2015 15:10

Aditya_V wrote:


Considering there was no Notam looks this landed somewhere close to the Pakistani coast. The launch also seems from southern Pakistan, dry area South Punjab, Sindh or Baluchistan, so this 2750KM missile flew a depressed trajectory not greater 600KM.

PS> International Flight and shipping paths run less than 200KM from the Pakistani coast so this was within that zone.

Looks exactly like Shaheen 2, no details regarding weight etc. Seems like upgraded version of M-9 again flown for the 673Km as detected by Indian AABM radars like in 2012.


National Institute of Advanced Studies (NIAS), Bangalore study by Rajaram Nagappa, S. Chandrashekar, N. Ramani, Lalitha Sundaresan and Viswesh Rammohan on the earlier Shaheen 2, not Shaheen 3, launch.:

Launch of Pakistani Shaheen-II (Hatf-VI) Ballistic Missile on November 13, 2014: An Analysis

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Postby arun » 10 Mar 2015 15:51

Picked this NOTAM off the Hydrobharat website (Clicky) run by the Indian navy.

Can anyone correlate this to the Shaheen-III test flightpath?

NAVAREA VIII –WARNINGS IN FORCE AS ON 09 MAR 2015 ………………………..

DTG 051009 Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII – 168
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ARABIAN SEA (.) CHARTS 21 250 INT 71 (.) REFER TO NAVAREA IX MESSAGE 059 (.)
MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0400-0700 UTC ON 09 AND 10 MAR 15 IN
AREA BOUNDED BY
(A) 25-43.83N 066-19.45E (B) 25-16.83N 067-11.36E
(C) 02-00.30N 054-18.62E (D) 02-27.26N 053-30.92E
2. ALTITUDE 692000 MTRS
3. VESSELS TO KEEP CLEAR OF DANGER AREA
4. CANCEL THIS MSG 100900 UTC MAR 15
051009 Z / MAR
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Postby SSridhar » 10 Mar 2015 16:40

Afghan in danger of sliding ‘under thumb’ of Pakistan: Karzai - DT
Afghanistan’s historic struggles against British imperialism and Soviet invasion will have been in vain if the country succumbs to pressure from neighbouring Pakistan, Hamid Karzai has warned in an interview with the Guardian.

The former president of Afghanistan made his remarks at a time when his successor, Ashraf Ghani, has overturned the country’s traditionally hostile relationship with Pakistan in the hope of enlisting its help in brokering a peace deal with the Taliban. Several once-unthinkable concessions made to Pakistan in recent months have horrified Karzai and many of the men who helped him rule for more than a decade.

“We want a friendly relationship but not to be under Pakistan’s thumb,” he said. It is a view many think Ghani cannot afford to ignore, given how many people agree with Karzai, a familiar and charismatic figure who remains in the thick of Afghan politics. “We should not send troops for training in any neighbouring country when they are sending us suicide bombers in return,” he said.

The man who famously never took a holiday while in power rushed back early from a recent break in China to his new home and office complex in Kabul, a scaled-down version of the capital’s 19th-century presidential palace. As well as maintaining many of the trappings of the head of state, he continues to behave like one, receiving a daily stream of officials, foreign ambassadors and tribal delegations from across the country.

Karzai rejected any suggestion he is at the centre of what one of his former colleagues describes as an emerging “pocket of opposition” to Ghani. “Yes, I have differences, but I will not say anything,” Karzai said. “I will keep mum, giving advice to President Ghani in private. I absolutely support this government.” Despite professing loyalty, Karzai sharply criticised some of Ghani’s key innovations, such as the decision last month to send six army cadets to Pakistan for officer training.

Karzai’s willingness to send men to India while spurning Pakistan enraged Pakistan’s generals, who believed the future leaders of the Afghan army were being indoctrinated by their mortal enemies. “We should not send troops for training in any of the neighbouring countries, particularly when they are sending us suicide bombers in return,” Karzai said – a reference to the fact that the leadership of the Taliban, and much of the movement’s organisational and logistical muscle, is allowed to operate freely inside Pakistan.

But subservience to any foreign power is something Karzai says Afghans will never submit to, even if resistance involves huge hardships. “I am a pacifist, I abhor violence – we would have been much better off if we had never fought against the Soviet Union,” he said referring to the epic insurgency by the Mujahideen in the 1980s. “But if we give up control over our own foreign policy then all the wars fought by Afghanistan against the British 100 years ago, and the Soviet Union, will be in vain,” he said.

Karzai’s associates spoke even more frankly about their anger at Ghani’s Pakistan policy. Rangin Dadfar Spanta, a former foreign minister and national security adviser who sat in on the Guardian’s meeting with Karzai, said the policy amounts to the humiliating “appeasement” of a hostile power who would never change its ways. He is alarmed by Ghani’s effort to keep India, the region’s superpower, at a distance. In a sign of Delhi’s displeasure, work has already stalled on some key Indian-backed development projects in Afghanistan, Spanta claimed.

The mafia types are very unhappy with the way things are going and are moving towards Karzai and others. Spanta and many others are amazed at what they see as Ghani’s one-sided willingness to militarily support Pakistan while getting very little in return. One former senior member of the Karzai regime said he was shocked to learn Ghani held meetings with Rizwan Akhtar, Pakistan’s spy chief, without the presence of his opposite number, Afghanistan’s intelligence chief, Rahmatullah Nabil.

The extraordinary series of recent meetings between Pakistan and Afghanistan’s civilian and military leaderships in both Islamabad and Kabul has stung Karzai, said one diplomat. With public distrust, even hatred, of Pakistan running so deep, Ghani urgently needs to show his policy is bearing fruit. The president is banking on Pakistan using its influence over the Taliban to force insurgent representatives to hold official, face-to-face talks with the Afghan government that might ultimately lead to a political settlement and an end to the conflict over the next few years.

In the short term, government officials desperately hope the Taliban will agree ceasefires after violence that has seen civilians and members of the armed forces killed in record numbers. Hopes of a breakthrough have risen amid the unprecedented series of meetings between Ghani and Pakistan’s army chief, who has assured the Afghan leader of a growing appetite within the Taliban for talks. A secret, preliminary meeting between officials and the Taliban has already taken place to discuss where and when the first formal meeting might happen, according to a western diplomat in Islamabad.

But the public’s widespread yearning for peace is balanced with disquiet over Ghani’s tilt towards Pakistan. That is likely to grow if the Taliban continue their attacks. “There could be a bloody summer, there will be fighting and there will be disappointments on the dialogue table from time to time,” predicted Omar Daudzai, one of the most influential officials of the Karzai era who served as chief of staff and interior minister.

Daudzai, a former ambassador to Islamabad, said he thought Ghani’s attempts to woo Pakistan were “courageous” but would ultimately fail to change the country’s behaviour. “He has taken controversial steps that his predecessor didn’t take, and now we have to wait to see whether the Pakistani side is sincere or not,” he said. “But I am far more sceptical than I ever was before about Pakistan’s sincerity.”

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Neela » 10 Mar 2015 17:52

The tragedy here is that when 100s of 1000s of raped women took shelter in India from what is now BD, they fell into the arms of Missionaries of charity which applied Catholic beliefs on them & denied them abortions.
India has let down people who follow its faith systems & has disgustingly failed them.
Worse, it has let perpetrators of the worst crimes against humanity go scotfree.
Worse still, that fiend has risen up again & is back to old devilish ways.
& what does that "international community" do after all this? Egg India to give into the demands of that gutter of a nation.
India must be really really thick or naieve or both.

Again and again, it is my firm yet humble belief that India need not seek for any approval for anything from anyone. It has to roll up its sleeves & get into the street fight that everyone else indulges in. Respect here is measured on how good you are in the steet fight....no one gives a f-uck to India's moral pontifications & frankly "rich" & annoying stand.

When someone is down, you dont help him with releasing 90K POWs. You kick him in the teeth, chop his hands & legs & castrate him. And Balochistan presents an oppurtunity to do so.
When Pak was tied down in the north west, we had relatively more peace. Tie them down even further from the south west.
Let this be India seeking forgiveness to whom it has failed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Mar 2015 18:17

Let us not forget that it is the US mofos who deliberately ensured that afghanisthan got back into Pakistan's grip-- the current puppet in Kabul would not be there if it were not for the "international community" installing his there to keep Pakistan in control of Afghanisthan.


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