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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 01 Nov 2017 03:59

looks lke news blackout while high level visits underway!

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Trump visiting SE Asia and China?

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2017 07:28

All gawking at Mueller and Manafort. Very dull scandals (yawn!) At least Oliver North had Fawn Hall lying on TV for us to watch. Here they have these overweight rabid dudes in stuffed jackets.


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Postby Peregrine » 02 Nov 2017 14:53

China's Xi sends rare message to North Korea's Kim

SEOUL: Chinese President Xi Jinping has sent North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un a rare message, Pyongyang's official news agency reported Thursday, in his first public communication with his wayward neighbour for more than a year.

The note signalled a possible improvement in their strained relationships, which has soured over Pyongyang's growing weapons ambitions even though Beijing is its longtime ally and economic benefactor.

Xi's message, dated Wednesday, was sent in response to congratulations from Kim last week for securing a second term as the head of China's ruling party.

"I wish that under the new situation the Chinese side would make efforts with the DPRK side to promote the relations between the two parties and the two countries to sustainable soundness and stable development," Xi said, according to the North's KCNA news agency said, addressing Kim as "Comrade Chairman".

In his earlier note, Kim had offered Xi his "sincere congratulations" and expressed his belief that their relations would develop "in the interests of the people of the two countries".

The last time KCNA reported a message from Xi was in July 2016.

Analysts say that such exchanges have become extremely rare under the current leaders, even though Beijing and Pyongyang traditionally sent greetings and congratulations on each other's key anniversaries in the past.

Their relationship was forged in the blood of the Korean War, when Mao Zedong sent millions of "volunteers" to fight US-led United Nations forces to a standstill.

Mao described the allies as close as "lips and teeth", and China has long been accused of failing to enforce United Nations sanctions against the North for its banned nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes, even after voting for them in the Security Council.

But Beijing has grown increasingly frustrated by its belligerent neighbour, and rapidly backed a new set of UN measures after a flurry of missile launches by the North and its sixth nuclear test in September.

Professor Yang Moo-Jin of the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul said the public exchange of messages signalled a willingness on both sides to improve relations.

"The fact that both sides are swiftly trading letters and announcing it carries a symbolic meaning," Yang told AFP.

"If the message was more intimate, we could expect a faster thawing of ties," he added, "but for now, it shows that both sides agree on the need to improve their relations".

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Nov 2017 01:40

Meanwhile... NoKo keeps translators entertained :mrgreen:

Trump behaves as if he will do something big, while bluffing about 'full preparedness' and 'big shock.' He absolutely needs medicine for curing his psychical disorder," it added.


And of course denies Japanese lies about 400% People's Democratic Tunnels collapsing.

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Postby Philip » 03 Nov 2017 13:12

North Korean hackers steal warship and submarine blueprints from South Korean shipyard in latest military cyber-theft carried out by Kim Jong-un's regime
Despotic regime thought to have hacked into South's Daewoo Shipbuilding firm
Kyung Dae-soo of the Liberty Korea Party said warship blueprints likely stolen
North Korea routinely accused of cyber attacks but has previously denied them
Daewoo said it was unaware of the issue until yesterday and is now investigating
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South Korea is 'almost 100 per cent certain' that North Korean hackers have stolen the blueprints for their warships and submarines.

The despotic regime is thought to have taken the documents after hacking into Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co Ltd's database in April last year.

North Korea has often been implicated in cyber attacks in South Korea and elsewhere but Pyongyang has either ignored or denied accusations of hacking.

Daewoo Shipbuilding, which was hacked, has built several South Korean warships, including an Aegis-class vessel and submarines/ Pictured: South Korean navy vessels sailing in the East Sea in September exercises +3
Daewoo Shipbuilding, which was hacked, has built several South Korean warships, including an Aegis-class vessel and submarines/ Pictured: South Korean navy vessels sailing in the East Sea in September exercises

North Korea has often been implicated in cyber attacks in South Korea and elsewhere but Pyongyang has either ignored or denied accusations of hacking. Pictured: North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un celebrates a rocket test in September +3
North Korea has often been implicated in cyber attacks in South Korea and elsewhere but Pyongyang has either ignored or denied accusations of hacking. Pictured: North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un celebrates a rocket test in September

'We are almost 100 per cent certain that North Korean hackers were behind the hacking and stole the company's sensitive documents,' Kyung Dae-soo of the main opposition Liberty Korea Party said yesterday.

Daewoo Shipbuilding has built several South Korean warships, including an Aegis-class vessel and submarines. It was most likely North Korea had obtained blueprints for these, he said.*(Ha!ha!.NoKo can now sell the sub designs to Taiwan in exchange for billions which it needs! It may also be "kaput" for German U-boats trying toi win our P-75I contest.)

About 40,000 documents are believed to have been taken.

Earlier this month, a different South Korean lawmaker said North Korean hackers had stolen a large number of classified military documents, including South Korea-US wartime operational plans.

The Daewoo hacking was discovered by a division under South Korea's Ministry of Defence in charge of investigating cases of cybercrime, said Kyung, who received a briefing on the investigation.

How sensitive and classified the seized documents were was not known as that was not disclosed by the investigative team, he added.

British authorities said last week they believed North Korea was behind the 'WannaCry' ransomware attack (pictured) in May that disrupted businesses and government services worldwide, including the National Health Service in England

A spokeswoman for Daewoo Shipbuilding said she was unaware of the issue until early yesterday and the company was in the process of confirming the details of Kyung's remarks.

The investigative team came to the conclusion North Korea had hacked Daewoo Shipbuilding because the hacking method was very similar to other attacks that North Korea was thought to be behind, Kyung said.

Hackers in North Korea are believed to have been responsible for a recent cyber heist in Taiwan - the latest in a string of hacks targeting the global SWIFT messaging system.

British authorities said last week they believed North Korea was behind the 'WannaCry' ransomware attack in May that disrupted businesses and government services worldwide, including the National Health Service in England.

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Postby UlanBatori » 04 Nov 2017 02:10

NoKo are the most competent of cheen's international thieves.

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Postby periaswamy » 04 Nov 2017 02:19

Eleven DingDing and Little Un have already kissed and made up. US 0 ChiNoKo-5. All the trillions on $s on fancy acronym weapons is not buying the US a damn thing. Superpower it seems... my foot.

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Postby Austin » 05 Nov 2017 14:22

Securing North Korean nuclear sites would require a ground invasion, Pentagon says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

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Postby Philip » 06 Nov 2017 13:16

I can see the hundreds of thou. of NoKo troops-of both sexes having a "field day" if ever this happens! It will make the Afghan War look like a Boy Scout picnic. You can see by their perfect goose-step swaggering at rallies,that they're just salivating for the "big day".The 3 leaders Kim,in their combined time,must've built thousands of rabbit warrens UG in the hills of NoKo,to protect their vital assets from the Yanquis and SoKo forces.
There is aslo a limit as to what sats can see.Take fighting ISIS for example.Their little rabbit warrens in evant cities made taking these enclaves months and months,despite the buildings above being reduced to rubble.look at pics of Raqqa.Like Dresden say some,nothing left untouched.Yet it took so long.Given such a long time frame for a ground offensive to succeed,it is impossible to imagine that at some time in the conflict China would not intervene as it did last time round. That xould end up as a massive pacific War engulfing many more nations who may lend support to the US offensive.

http://www.pravdareport.com/hotspots/co ... ar_bomb-0/
North Korea has something bigger than nuclear bomb
HOTSPOTS AND INCIDENTS » CONFLICTS
According to the Nodong Sinmun newspaper, in case of a violent conflict with the Americans, the DPRK will most likely win. The publication is sure that the republic that has been able to single-handedly create attack weapons will certainly win the war.

Does North Korea have this weapon and for what purpose? Pravda.Ru asked this question to the head of the Centre for Korean Studies of the Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexander Zhebin.

"North Korea has obtained something that can put an end to American dictatorship and arbitrariness on the international arena. First off, even according to Western media, the reactor that raises such serious concerns with the United States, which produced plutonium, was taken from the IAEA. The radiochemical laboratory was also taken from open sources, because the Koreans used to be members of the IAEA. Russia and the US started their nuclear programs literally from scratch, and the North Koreans could get involved when the process was already underway. There were many open sources of information.

"Afterwards, they obtained specialists who were trained in peaceful areas of nuclear energy, but then were retrained to work in the defence industry. Plus, there was intelligence information. The North Koreans could concentrate on their work. In fact, any country that has political will and financial resources can make such a bomb. This depends on the political decision of the administration and how it views threats to their national security.

The North Koreans publicly said why they took up the nuclear program. They started working on it after events in Iraq and in Libya, and even earlier - in Yugoslavia and Eastern Europe. They did not want to repeat the fate of those countries and their leaders, who were all literally destroyed. Gaddafi gave up his peaceful nuclear program and was lynched, whereas his country was torn apart. The North Korean administration, in light of all this, mobilised all resources that they had to solve this problem.

North Korea could not compete with the United States, Japan and South Korea in the field of conventional weapons, because they get upgraded fairly often and are quite expensive. The North Koreans had raw materials under their feet: the country has rich uranium ore reserves - around 15,000 tons.

Plus, the North Koreans do not really have large reserves of energy. There is no coal, no natural gas, so the development of nuclear power for them was quite natural. They wanted to develop it given the fact that there are 25 reactors in South Korea. The Koreans - the North and the South - always look at each other and compete. If the South does something, the North wants to do it as well. This competition lasts for ages.

The DPRK, of course, took the ban on space launches with the use of ballistic technologies very painfully. Any launch, any missile, including a satellite, is launched with the use of ballistic technology. North Korea knows that India, Pakistan, Israel can have nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan regularly test nuclear ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, but no one makes a fuss about it at all, even though India and Pakistan have a very complicated relationship and have always found themselves on the brink of nuclear war.

"Interestingly, many in South Korea believe that the two Koreas, if they unite someday, should not abandon their nuclear weapons to be able to stand up for itself, including in its relations with Japan, its long-time historical adversary.

"North Korea started investing more in its nuclear missile program to convince its adversaries that any attempt to change power in the DPRK will lead to tremendous consequences for those who dare to make such an attempt. All the lunches and tests that the DPRK has made during the days of the Trump administration in the USA showed that North Korea was about to build a combat-ready intercontinental ballistic missile and a warhead for it.

"An intercontinental ballistic missile flies for at least 5,500 kilometres to deliver its warhead to a particular target on a very limited territory. The North Koreans have not conducted such a test yet. The longest distance that a North Korean missile has flown so far was 3,700 kilometres. This is not an intercontinental missile, but the DPRK can build such a missile, if they have not done it yet. Both the military and politicians proceed from the worst scenario assuming that the DRPK already has such a weapon, and they build their practical policy on this assumption."

"The United States has been very nervous lately, because they believe that North Korea is about to demonstrate a weapon that could deliver a warhead to the US territory. After WWII, the Americans have invaded many countries, changed many regimes, and interfered in internal affairs of other countries. Now they can see a small and seemingly defenceless country building powerful nuclear weapons. The DPRK has thus become a role model to many other countries that are fed up with the supremacy and exceptionalism of the United States. The US can not let other countries follow the example of the DPRK as it would put an end to the global leadership of the United States. This is what they fear most in Washington."
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Nov 2017 21:50

Backpedaling? "Returning abductees would be tremendous signal"

it would also be clear proof of kidnapping, and hence justification for a strike on kidnapper HQ.

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Postby periaswamy » 06 Nov 2017 21:54

State Dept. is mumbling stuff about "ground war is required, bombing NoKo won't do", which can only mean that Trump will be skiing downhill when it comes to "defanging north korea". Nothing of that sort is likely to happen -- china will provide the US with some "face saver" and Trump will thank Eleven Dingding. The easiest path to declaring victory will be taken.

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Postby UlanBatori » 07 Nov 2017 01:56

Dem dumbasses are giving him an EZ way out by bringing legislation to prevent him from using nukes etc. If I were Dem strategist I would recommend strongly DEMANDING Action Against North Korean Violation of EnnPeeTee, SeeTeeBeeTee etc. That way they can trash DT at next election for being a Running Dog of a Paper Tiger rather than the good Capitarist Impeliarist that he claims to be.

If those 3 Carrier Task Forces return to port with NoKo remaining a nucular power, it's all over for the US. Might as well hoist the Red Star above the *-spangled banner.


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 07 Nov 2017 05:49

UlanBatori wrote:Backpedaling? "Returning abductees would be tremendous signal"

it would also be clear proof of kidnapping, and hence justification for a strike on kidnapper HQ.


But the North has already acknowledged kidnappings of 13 Japanese nationals in 2002 when the then Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi visited Pyongyang. Some of the abductees were even repatriated to Japan. North claims that the rest are dead and there's little to suggest that they'll change their stance anytime soon.

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Postby UlanBatori » 07 Nov 2017 06:48

Then I wonder if DT was gassing when he talked about returning abductees. Sake after several time zones by jet, can do that to most people.

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Postby Kashi » 07 Nov 2017 07:49

Because there are differing perceptions on the number of abductees. NoKo acknowledges 13 abductees of whom five have been returned, the rest they claim are dead. Japanese claim at least 17 or even more and dispute the North claims on the death of some of the abductees.

A prime example is Megumi Yokota, who was abducted at the age of 13. North claims that she died in 1980s and even returned her purported remains, but her parents do not believe this and there was a controversial report that claimed that DNA analysis did not identify the remains as Yokota's- the analysis itself was questioned for lack of thoroughness.

The issue of abductees is an emotive issue in Japan, especially since the abductors were later found to have been aided by a group of NoKo-aligned ethnic Korean residents in Japan.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 07 Nov 2017 08:59

A very good documentary on this is on netflix. Trying to recollect the name

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 09 Nov 2017 00:38

It's back to love & kisses across the DMZ.
Back to normal after trump's offer to meet NoKo at deal table.

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Postby UlanBatori » 09 Nov 2017 07:53

U.S. Weapons Mass in S.Korea
By Lee Yong-soo
October 12, 2017 09:26

U.S. B-1B strategic bombers were sent again to skies over the Korean Peninsula on Tuesday night, practicing launching a precision strike against the North alongside the South Korean Air Force's F-15K fighter jets.
Tuesday was the North Korean Workers Party's founding anniversary, when another widely feared missile launch failed to materialize.

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Postby periaswamy » 09 Nov 2017 08:38

After a "groundbreaking" talk with China, some kabuki theater will happen to de-escalate the whole NoKo issue. Then a few months later, when China comes under pressure, NoKo will act up again. This China-NoKo charade is a bit predictable like the paki-US charade used to be (and still is).

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Postby brar_w » 10 Nov 2017 02:34

Mort Walker wrote:
I'll see if I can find the report. GLCM was a weapon system being deployed by USAF in late 1980s and not US Army, so no impact to the Army's MSE.

Prior to JASSM, there were variations of the ALCM used on the B-1B's rotary launcher. Given its small radar cross section, even for an older design, of about 1 sq. meter - it is platform that can carry 75,000 pounds of ordinance internally. In the 1970s no cruise missiles were really available in any significant number to USAF. The B-1B will continue in service until replaced by the LRS-B, but that may be well into the 2040s.



I guess Mortji has his GLCM..of course not in the prior years but in the current FY18 NDAA that is in conference (so added just now since the PB18 did not request it). A word of caution, it is a small amount likely meant to get back to the negotiation table with Russia vis-a-vis the INF. I don't think that the Congress has signaled any long term preference to do away with INF with $58 Million line item. This obviously assumes that the line item stays put as the bill advances through the appropriators and is signed by Trump.

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Postby Aditya_V » 10 Nov 2017 10:36

periaswamy wrote:After a "groundbreaking" talk with China, some kabuki theater will happen to de-escalate the whole NoKo issue. Then a few months later, when China comes under pressure, NoKo will act up again. This China-NoKo charade is a bit predictable like the paki-US charade used to be (and still is).

+1 I totally agree with this

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:eek:

America could lose a war against North Korea, former US air force commander says in leaked letter

US troops 'are vastly outnumbered by North Korean forces', says Jan-Marc Jouas

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 47826.html

John Sharman 10th November, 2017

The US military would find itself outnumbered and under-supplied if war broke out with North Korea, a former top commander in the region has reportedly claimed.

American troops “are vastly outnumbered by North Korean forces, as well as [allied] forces that will conduct the overwhelming majority of the fighting” , according to retired Lt Gen Jan-Marc Jouas. Who is he talking about? The PLA? Is it possible that US mil has gamed a high probability of "Little Green (Yellow) Men" getting deniably involved, as in Urkaine/Crimea, on a huge scale?

They would also face problems in getting reinforcements or new supplies, he claimed, saying fresh troops “may well find their bases subject to attack by conventional or chemical weapons, which will further delay their entry into the war”.

In a letter to members of Congress, obtained by Newsweek, Lt Gen Jouas said even limited military action against Kim Jong-un’s regime would be likely to precipitate a full-scale war, yet would probably not destroy Pyongyang’s nuclear capability totally.

Letter from a USAF Lt Gen to Congress gets conveniently "leaked" to the media. Chinese move? And why now? What was really said behind all the big smiles and hakka noodles that Trump and Xi shared in the Forbidden City? It is in this light that the "allied" forces comment above becomes very interesting indeed.

He added: “An enormous casualty and evacuee crisis will develop and include over 100,000 non-combatant Americans, many of who will turn to US forces to get them off the peninsula.”

The use of nuclear weapons by Pyongyang could not be ruled out, he said. Lt Gen Jouas was deputy commander of US Forces Korea from January 2012 until his retirement in early 201.

US personnel in South Korea number about 28,500, Lt Gen Jouas said, though news reports place recent figures both higher and lower.

An all-out war with North Korea would be bloody in the extreme, experts believe, as the country has huge amounts of ordnance aimed at Seoul, the South’s capital, which is just a few dozen miles from the demilitarised zone.

US Defence Secretary James Mattis has said the results of conflict would be “catastrophic”.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a US think-tank, Pyongyang has some 1.1 million personnel in its armed forces.

The CFR added in a recent analysis: “Although Pyongyang is outspent by its neighbours and adversaries in dollar-to-dollar comparisons and defence experts say it operates with ageing equipment and technology, the regime’s forward-deployed military position and missiles aimed at Seoul ensure that Pyongyang’s conventional capabilities remain a constant threat to its southern neighbour.”

Lt Gen Jouas’ letter comes at a time of heightened tension between the US and North Korea, and as US President Donald Trump is in the middle of a tour of the Asia-Pacific.

However, Mr Trump appears to have introduced a hint of a softer tone to his statements on North Korea. In Seoul earlier this week he said: “It makes sense for North Korea to come to the table and make a deal that is good for the people of North Korea and for the world.”


Previously, he has threatened “fire and fury” if the North does not end its threats to neighbouring countries.



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Postby UlanBatori » 19 Nov 2017 22:12

About this missing Argentine sub. Some report said it could carry a crew of 99 and two nuclear??? torpedos. But it was carrying 49 crew. Anyone thinking what UBCNews is thinking? Argentina is not a nuclear power, what's with the nuclear torps, or was that in the days b4 it became an Argenine sub?

I hope they find the crew safe, pronto. In the South Atlantic and not the North Pacific...

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Postby Prem » 20 Nov 2017 03:21

UlanBatori wrote:About this missing Argentine sub. Some report said it could carry a crew of 99 and two nuclear??? torpedos. But it was carrying 49 crew. Anyone thinking what UBCNews is thinking? Argentina is not a nuclear power, what's with the nuclear torps, or was that in the days b4 it became an Argenine sub?I hope they find the crew safe, pronto. In the South Atlantic and not the North Pacific...


Aregitinian sub have been missing for 4 days now with crew of 40. It's German build conventional HDW sub. At least they have plenty of food and hopefully located soon. That Nuke reference was for US sub drowned log ago in Atlantic.

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Postby pankajs » 21 Nov 2017 00:02

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 407_1.html
US designates North Korea a state sponsor of terror, triggering sanctions

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Postby Kashi » 21 Nov 2017 06:58

Interesting to see how SoKo will react to this and what will happen to their proposed "relief fund" for NoKo children.

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Postby periaswamy » 21 Nov 2017 08:39

Given that China supplies 90% of NoKo's economic needs, these international economic sanctions sound less than worthless.


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Postby UlanBatori » 22 Nov 2017 18:36

North Korean air force is scoring without even starting their engines. Now at least 3 US planes are down, with a hefty death toll. 2 ships heavily damaged, with hefty death toll. Several US commanders fired. $$B being spent keeping 3 entire Carrier Groups on station, even through Thanksgiving. Will they be "Home 4 Christmas" I wonder. US Generals under fire in the PRC-controlled COTUS being forced to say that they will refuse orders from the POTUS to use nuclear weapons.

All in all, Kim Li'l Un's Nuclear Deterrent is working brilliantly, hain? Now if he would launch that Pacific Surface Nuke to celebrate ....

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Postby vijaykarthik » 22 Nov 2017 19:09

UlanBatori wrote:North Korean air force is scoring without even starting their engines. Now at least 3 US planes are down, with a hefty death toll. 2 ships heavily damaged, with hefty death toll. Several US commanders fired. $$B being spent keeping 3 entire Carrier Groups on station, even through Thanksgiving. Will they be "Home 4 Christmas" I wonder. US Generals under fire in the PRC-controlled COTUS being forced to say that they will refuse orders from the POTUS to use nuclear weapons.

All in all, Kim Li'l Un's Nuclear Deterrent is working brilliantly, hain? Now if he would launch that Pacific Surface Nuke to celebrate ....


I read it as PRC-controlled COITUS and almost had a different view of the US Generals! :rotfl: Under fire indeed.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Nov 2017 18:24

It's your dirty mind :P . UBCN OTOH only deals in 400% pure CTs.
Now the Argentines are pointing to a "non-nuclear explosion" heard in the general area.The absence of an oil slick or floating parts is ascribed to the "depth", where an explosion becomes an implosion.
Hope the sailors are alive and well, but I fear they are headed to the North Pacific.
But look at the stuff that seemed to be growing around the front end of the sub. Is this because it was sitting around in port for that long, or because it was moving through surface junk?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rudradev » 29 Nov 2017 04:33

Here we go again...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... nch-193002

North Korea test-fired an intercontinental ballistic missile on Tuesday that the Pentagon estimates traveled more than 600 miles — ending a more than two-month lull in Pyongyang's provocative behavior.

"The missile was launched from Sain Ni, North Korea, and traveled about 1000 km before splashing down in the Sea of Japan, within Japan's Economic Exclusion Zone," Col. Rob Manning, a Pentagon spokesman, confirmed in a statement. "We are working with our interagency partners on a more detailed assessment of the launch."

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North Korea has test-fired 15 missiles so far in 2017 and conducted its sixth underground nuclear test in September.

Tuesday’s missile launch is the first since mid-September, when North Korea fired a missile over the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido into the Pacific Ocean.

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Manning, the Pentagon spokesman, said that "in the face of these threats," the U.S. commitment to its allies in the region "remains ironclad." :roll:

"We remain prepared to defend ourselves and our allies from any attack or provocation," he said. :((

He added that the North American Aerospace Defense Command, which tracks aerial threats to the United States, "determined the missile launch from North Korea did not pose a threat to North America, our territories or our allies." :mrgreen:



Next up. Tweet about fire and fury. Send a few more CBGs to sail up and down the Pacific Rim. Trump has played his only practicable card, feeble as it was in impact... sanctioning NoKo as a State Sponsor of Terror (while remaining demurely silent on what that makes PRC a sponsor of, by extension). Now his hand is empty and Fatboy Kim is rubbing that in his face.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rudradev » 29 Nov 2017 04:40

This from the "Union of Concerned Scientists" (sounds like the very boor non-broliferatullah's FAS). Take it FWIW, I disclaim any attribution of credibility.

http://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/nk- ... e-test-yet

North Korea’s Longest Missile Test Yet
David Wright, co-director and senior scientist | November 28, 2017, 3:32 pm EST

After more than two months without a missile launch, North Korea did a middle-of-the-night test (3:17 a.m. in Japan) today that appears to be its longest yet.

Reports are saying that the missile test was highly lofted and landed in the Sea of Japan some 960 km (600 miles) from the launch site. They are also saying the missile reached a maximum altitude of 4,500 km. This would mean that it flew for about 54 minutes, which is consistent with reports from Japan.

If these numbers are correct, then if flown on a standard trajectory rather than this lofted trajectory, this missile would have a range of more than 13,000 kilometers (km) (8,100 miles). This is significantly longer than North Korea’s previous long range tests, which flew on lofted trajectories for 37 minutes (July 4) and 47 minutes (July 28). Such a missile would have more than enough range to reach Washington, D.C., and in fact any part of the continental United States.

We do not know how heavy a payload this missile carried, but given the increase in range it seems likely that it carried a very light mock warhead. If true, that means it would be incapable of carrying a nuclear warhead to this long distance, since such a warhead would be much heavier.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby periaswamy » 29 Nov 2017 05:02

UCS has always been a NPA joint and like most of the scientific crowd. Usual worthless bunch of "arms control" and "nonproliferation" wankers, who sit around providing excuses for "horizontal proliferation" by the nuclear powers and rant and rave about "vertical proliferation" by countries like India.

board of UCS
Steve Fetter has been a professor in the School of Public Policy at the University of Maryland since 1988, serving as dean of the School from 2005 to 2009 and as Associate Provost for Academic Affairs of the University since 2013. He is an expert on nuclear arms control and nonproliferation, nuclear energy and releases of radiation, and climate change and low-carbon energy supply. In 2015-16 he was on leave to the The White House, where he led the national security and international affairs division in the Office of Science and Technology Policy. He is a recipient of the American Physical Society's Joseph A. Burton Forum Award, the Federation of American Scientists' Hans Bethe 'Science in the Public Service' award, and the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service.

Richard L. Garwin is a National Medal of Science laureate and Fellow Emeritus at IBM. For 10 years, he was Philip D. Reed Senior Fellow for Science and Technology at the Council on Foreign Relations. He contributed to the first thermonuclear weapons and photo-intelligence satellites, and has served on the President’s Scientific Advisory Committee, the Defense Science Board, and is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. See also: http://www.fas.org/rlg.

Kurt Gottfried (board chair emeritus) is emeritus professor of physics at Cornell University. A co-founder of UCS, he has served on the senior staff of the European Center for Nuclear Research in Geneva, is a former chair of the Division of Particles and Fields of the American Physical Society, and is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and the Council on Foreign Relations. He has published widely on theoretical physics and national security issues. (See full bio.)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby vijaykarthik » 29 Nov 2017 08:20

Purported range of approx 13k kms.

Did Xi's point man also gift these guys the missile and the required things last week? All the while the US media ranted about the missile not even capable of reaching Guam. Now they speak about anywhere in the world, NY, DC etc. Did the US shrink overnight geographically or they have significantly downplayed the range discussion in media, all the while.

Do note that they are considering the head to be a very light one considering the long range.


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