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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2017 06:24

Western media diaper-shivering again
As the US and South Korean militaries worked together on the largest-ever version of their annual air-power exercise on the Korean Peninsula, {Our Owners} China did something that suggests it would consider backing up North Korea in the event of war.
On Monday, the same day the exercise started, a spokesman for {Our Owners} China's air force said it had staged exercises along "routes and areas it has never flown before" with surveillance aircraft over the Yellow and East seas near the Korean Peninsula, according to the South China Morning Post.
While China needs to exercise its constantly expanding and modernizing military, this exercise most likely had another purpose. "The timing of this high-profile announcement by the PLA is also a warning to Washington and Seoul not to provoke Pyongyang any further," Li Jie, a military expert based in Beijing, told the Post, using the abbreviation for the Chinese People's Liberation Army. With a record 24 US stealth aircraft in South Korea for the Vigilant Ace exercises, China's move sends a clear message.


BS as usual. They are flying to see NoKo refugees floating towards cheen.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Prem » 06 Dec 2017 07:17

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-no ... us-2017-12
China did something it's never done before to warn the US about fighting North Korea

As the US and South Korean militaries worked together on the largest-ever version of their annual air-power exercise on the Korean Peninsula, China did something that suggests it would consider backing up North Korea in the event of war.On Monday, the same day the exercise started, a spokesman for China's air force said it had staged exercises along "routes and areas it has never flown before" with surveillance aircraft over the Yellow and East seas near the Korean Peninsula, according to the South China Morning Post.While China needs to exercise its constantly expanding and modernizing military, this exercise most likely had another purpose."The timing of this high-profile announcement by the PLA is also a warning to Washington and Seoul not to provoke Pyongyang any further," Li Jie, a military expert based in Beijing, told the Post, using the abbreviation for the Chinese People's Liberation Army.With a record 24 US stealth aircraft in South Korea for the Vigilant Ace exercises, China's move sends a clear message.The US and South Korea have up to 260 aircraft training to take out important North Korean targets in a realistic simulation of an air war.
While China agrees with the US that Pyongyang's nuclear-weapons progress is dangerous, it fundamentally disagrees on the preservation of the North Korean state.China, North Korea's main trading partner, could effectively defund Pyongyang and bring about the collapse of the government, as the US has encouraged. But China's national interest lies in keeping North Korea as a buffer state to prevent the US from staging troops on its borders.
In the Korean War of the 1950s, North Koreans backed by China fought US-backed South Koreans in a brutal war that is technically ongoing because it ended in a cease-fire rather than a peace treaty.China's latest military exercise may serve as a reminder to the US that the two military powers could find themselves on opposite ends once again should conflict break out with North Korea.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Gagan » 06 Dec 2017 10:48

Every analyst is wondering where the NoKos got the liquid fueled engines for their ICBMs.
The 3 letter news agencies quote "Intel sources" say there are 2 possible sources: Ukraine and Roos. (They completely discount Cheen)
They say, Ukraine can't have given the engines to them, it has to be someone else...

Well if the someone else gave them UDMH engines, they can give them a heat shield also na? All this alleged problem of NoKo missiles breaking up/burning up, on re-entry will be solved.

NoKo, as China's munna and cat's paw is militarily close to untouchable. That opens the doors to palace intrigue and inner machinations by all concerned neighbours.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby periaswamy » 06 Dec 2017 18:52

(They completely discount Cheen)


Once again proving that the entire lot of arms control losers are on Chinese payroll and have an agenda to distract the very blatant China-NoKo connection -- Russia has no leverage over NoKo compared to china. Putin inserting himself into the NoKo equation has allowed these lying "arms control wonks" to create a new set of lies that tie into their anti-russian dance. All this when China is openly backing NoKo and warning the USA - not even bothering to pretend anymore about their NoKo connection.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 07 Dec 2017 01:36

Gagan wrote:Every analyst is wondering where the NoKos got the liquid fueled engines for their ICBMs.
The 3 letter news agencies quote "Intel sources" say there are 2 possible sources: Ukraine and Roos. (They completely discount Cheen)
They say, Ukraine can't have given the engines to them, it has to be someone else...

Well if the someone else gave them UDMH engines, they can give them a heat shield also na? All this alleged problem of NoKo missiles breaking up/burning up, on re-entry will be solved.

NoKo, as China's munna and cat's paw is militarily close to untouchable. That opens the doors to palace intrigue and inner machinations by all concerned neighbours.



very well analyzed.

Cheen gave the engines and the rockets but weak re-entry heat shield to ensure NoKo is not a full threat but good enough to scare the US.


This is a very old tactic.

Portuguese in Goa used to give weak gunpowder to the Indian rulers in the early centuries to ensure they don't become a real threat.

on paper they gave gunpowder etc.
The Indian rulers found out only in war by then they lost it!!!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 07 Dec 2017 05:32

If NoKo missiles have a weak re-entry heat shield , then what does it make of Paki missiles which are nothing but NoKo clones, they must have equally weak or even weaker re-entry heat shields no?

If Chinese were cautious and frugal in sharing heat shield tech with NoKo, wouldn't they be equally if not more cautious with Pakis.

So can we assume that Pakis in addition to being nuke nude are also ballistic missile nude?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Gagan » 07 Dec 2017 05:46

The re-entry velocities for an ICBM class missile are much higher than the SRBM/MRBMs that Pakistan has.
Likely specialized materials and coatings are needed for these heat sheilds, which the Chinese don't share.

Which also means, that the Chinese FULLY control the N weapons of Pakistan and North Korea, via critical material supply etc. The chinese hold the strings that make these two regimes dance

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2017 07:49

Isn't it possible that the breakup was intentional? It fell into the Japan Ocean, which is infested with Japanese and US ships and subs to go pick up what falls in. The heat shield does not really have to be demonstrated, because what comes down will be quite different with an actual bum.
If the gaijin fished the thing out of the water, they could read the small print that said "Made in Hangzhou".
Besides, the trouble with bissing upwards with mijjiles is that they may come back and fall on ur own head.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby abhik » 07 Dec 2017 14:30

Do we know the it was the warhead that broke up and not the 1st/2nd stage?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2017 16:51

^^ US "sources" claimed so. Therefore it must be so. :)
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2017 17:00

And here comes the REAL threat: US threatens to withdraw from SoKo Winter Olympics

Russia is banned, North Korea presumably may not compete and US threatens to boycott. They might as well put all the medals in a box and ship it to Beijing now. Minus the Bobsled medal to Jamaica.

Then again, a lot of heavyweight Bollywood actresses may win medals. They seem great at skiing in the movies?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 08 Dec 2017 12:36

Light at the end of the tunnel? Or is it an incoming NoKo "Ding Dong"! :rotfl:

The latest round of diplomacy brings to mind another great N-crisis,the "Cuban Missile Crisis" and how the world was on the brink of nuclear war and how it was defused. In the final agreement,the US gave a guarantee that it would not invade Cuba and in exchange for the Russians pulling out their missiles form the island,the US would pull out its BMs based in Turkey.That was kept secret at the time,missiles quietly removed later. Though Nikita Kruschev was blamed back home for being a"loser" in the deal,in actual fact he was a winner. The missile threat on his border was removed and Cuban security and independence was guaranteed,even though the CIA tried hundreds of assassination attempts against Castro later on,which all failed. The mob lost its assets in Havana and the CIA was blamed for the Bay of PIgs disaster,leading to JFK sacking the them CIA chief Dulles. The mob and CIA hit back along with other southern gentry,and JFK was wasted at Dallas in a conspiracy ,details of which are still being kept under wraps.

The NoKo crisis has some similarities.Officially the Korean War hasn't ended,with a huge US mil. force still in SoKo.What Young Leader Kim has demonstrated is that he is quite capable of what the Israeli's call the "Samson option",bringing the whole ME house down with their N-deterrent,which they've deliberately kept very opaque.Everyone knows that Israel has N-weapons thanks to one M.Vanunu,still a "house guest" of the Israeli state.

Israel lets Mordechai Vanunu discuss its nuclear program on primetime TV
In remarkable departure from decades of 'nuclear ambiguity,' man convicted of treason for leaking details of Israel's nuclear arsenal is allowed to warn of the 'danger' posed by 'Dimona powder keg'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-le ... metime-tv/

Kim the Young "Un",makes no secret of his capability,flashing his "Ding Dong" in public and making the ladies swoon! From his standpoint it is clear that he wants a similar deal that Castro got.A guarantee of no US invasion of NoKo,the continuance of the Kim regime ,"Juche",et al,to be left undisturbed with no attempt at regime change and removal of all eco sanctions.Now that he has displayed ICBM capability and that he can hit anywhere in the US,he's proved his point,pun intended,and can now sit back and bargain with the US and its allies for a guaranteed "peace". This would probably include -for a freeze on further NoKo N-development,withdrawal of US troops with perhaps a UN force remaining instead to monitor the DMZ,and substantial eoc aid.Under no circumstances will he disband his N-arsenal.Everyone knows what happened to Gadhaffi!

The emergence of Russia as a moderator only underscores the limits of China's influence with NoKo and the rise of Russian diplomacy after success in the Crimea take-away and the complete rout of ISIS and US/western anti-Assad forces in Syria .Putin is the man of the moment not one DT,"Delirium Tremens"!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... gei-lavrov
North Korea is ready to open direct talks with US, says Russia's Sergei Lavrov
Pyongyang ‘wants above all to talk to the US about guarantees for its security’
Lavrov says he informed Rex Tillerson in Vienna on Thursday

Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, greets his US counterpart in Vienna on Thursday. Photograph: Alexander Shcherbak/Tass
Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday 7 December 2017 22.20 GMT Last modified on Thursday 7 December 2017 22.40 GMT

North Korea is open to direct talks with the US over their nuclear standoff, according to the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, who said he passed that message to his counterpart, Rex Tillerson, when the two diplomats met in Vienna on Thursday.

There was no immediate response from Tillerson but the official position of the state department is that North Korea would have to show itself to be serious about giving up its nuclear arsenal as part of a comprehensive agreement before a dialogue could begin.

Lavrov conveyed the apparent offer on the day a top UN official, Jeffrey Feltman, met the North Korean foreign minister, Ri Yong-ho, in Pyongyang, during the first high-level UN visit to the country for six years. Feltman is an American and a former US diplomat, but the state department stressed he was not in North Korea with any message from Washington.

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“We know that North Korea wants above all to talk to the United States about guarantees for its security. We are ready to support that, we are ready to take part in facilitating such negotiations,” Lavrov said at an international conference in Vienna, according to the Interfax news agency. “Our American colleagues, [including] Rex Tillerson, have heard this.”

The diplomatic moves come amid an increased sense of urgency to find a way of defusing the tensions over North Korea’s increasingly ambitious nuclear and missile tests. The standoff reached a new peak on 29 November, when North Korea tested a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the Hwasong-15, capable of reaching Washington, New York and the rest of the continental United States. The missile launch followed the test of what was apparently a hydrogen bomb in September.

Pyongyang has said that current joint exercises by the US and South Korea involving hundreds of warplanes, along with “bellicose remarks” by US officials have “made an outbreak of war on the Korean peninsula an established fact”.

“The remaining question now is: when will the war break out,” a foreign ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.

North Korean officials have said in recent informal meetings that they are particularly concerned by the threat of a surprise “decapitation” strike, aimed at killing the country’s leaders and paralysing military command and control systems before Pyongyang could launch its missiles.

The heightened tensions and threatening language have increased fears around the world that the two sides could blunder into war through miscalculation, mistaking war games for a real attack or misreading blurred red lines.

US and North Korean positions are currently far apart, with Pyongyang rejecting any suggestion that its nuclear disarmament would be on the table at any future negotiation. The regime wants the US to recognise it as a nuclear weapons power and cease its “hostile policies” to North Korea, including sanctions and military manoeuvres off the Korean peninsula.

For its part, the US has rejected a “freeze-for-freeze” proposal advanced by Russia and China, by which North Korea would suspend nuclear and missile tests while the US would curtail its military exercises.

State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said on Thursday that direct talks with North Korea were “not on the table until they are willing to denuclearize.”

A photo released by the North Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) shows the launch of the newly developed inter-continental ballistic missile Hwasong-15 from an undisclosed location in North Korea on 29 November.

However, the two sides have had informal contacts this year, involving Joseph Yun, the US special representative for North Korea policy. Those contacts, known as the “New York channel” were cut by the North Koreans after threatening remarks by Donald Trump during the UN general assembly in September. But there have been some recent signs that Pyongyang might be interested in restoring the channel.

At a meeting in Stockholm that brought together western experts and officials from Pyongyang in late November, a North Korean representative appeared to raise, for the first time, the possibility of a channel for military-to-military communication with the US.

“In an informal discussion that we had in Stockholm, an official made an observation that there isn’t at present a way for the US and North Korea to work together to prevent an accident. I thought that was an interesting observation that I had not heard them say before,” said Suzanne DiMaggio, a senior fellow at the New America thinktank who has played a leading role in back-channel contacts with Iran and North Korea, and who attended the Stockholm meeting.

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“I think the US would be best served by putting aside the focus on denuclearisation and instead look at ways to prevent accidents, reduce risks and de-escalate. Those to me seem like achievable goals.”

Sue Mi Terry, a former CIA analyst who was director for Korea, Japan and Oceanic affairs at the National Security Council in the Bush and Obama administrations, said Washington might be amenable to such a military hotline being established.

“I think even this administration recognises that some sort of an open channel is needed for that, not to negotiate but to have a little more transparency,” she said. “I think everyone recognises that is needed.”

Terry, who was deputy national intelligence officer for east Asia at the National Intelligence Council from 2009 to 2010, said that it was also possible that Yun could re-establish the New York channel with Pyongyang. But she added there was little sign such contacts would lead to substantive negotiations in the current climate.

“This latest test put a big hole in the possibility of negotiation at this moment, she said. “Ambassador Yun might do that but it’s different with the White House. I’m not sure he has strong White House support.”

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2017 01:01

UlanBatori wrote:And here comes the REAL threat: US threatens to withdraw from SoKo Winter Olympics

Russia is banned, North Korea presumably may not compete and US threatens to boycott. They might as well put all the medals in a box and ship it to Beijing now. Minus the Bobsled medal to Jamaica.

Then again, a lot of heavyweight Bollywood actresses may win medals. They seem great at skiing in the movies?


You do know how to put it in perspective!!!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2017 01:02

ramana wrote:UB, A couple of years ago Robert Gates said of all problems, NoKo is intractable. You can Google it.

However I think it will involve US, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea at a minimum. India is outside factor.


Korean unification provides a mechanism for de-nuking NoKo.
China does not like Korean unification as its a looming threat.

China has to take the NoKo nukes and that will add to its stock.

So US and Russia have to supervise the de-militarization.

NoKo fears regime change and attack by US singly or in alliance.

So China and Russia have to guarantee the security of this regime.

NoKo needs economic investments
China, Japan and SoKo will have to invest here.

Now why would China and Russia agree to all this? What is their self interest?

Russia needs free hand in Ukraine.

China I don't know but they have stated their goals of First Circle (South China Sea), Second Circle ( Pacific), and Third Circle( Arctic Route to Europe)

Why would US agree to all this?

First of all US has to realize this is 21st century Cuban missile crisis.
And there is not Soviet Union to take back the nukes.

Secondly unlike Castro, Kim Young Un has the launch codes.

So its a Mexican standoff where everyone loses.

Where does India stand?

I think a denuked NoKo is a good thing for India.
And hence should support every which way it can.

What else?

I think Pakistan is a good goal.

Baluchi Independence, Sind integration , Pakjab and K-P Independence

CPEC roads in PoK on lease to China.

We are seeing the unraveling of colonialism.

Korea was an Imperial Japan Colonization project.

Thanks for listening.


Philip, My old post....

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

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Postby ramana » 13 Dec 2017 11:04

Tillerson offers talks without pre-conditions to NoKo.


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rudradev » 19 Dec 2017 22:28

US Senator Lindsey Graham: There's a 30 Percent Chance Trump Attacks North Korea
“I would say there’s a three in 10 chance we use the military option,” Graham predicted in an interview. If the North Koreans conduct an additional test of a nuclear bomb—their seventh—“I would say 70 percent.”

Graham said that the issue of North Korea came up during a round of golf he played with the president on Sunday. “It comes up all the time,” he said.

“War with North Korea is an all-out war against the regime,” he said. “There is no surgical strike option. Their [nuclear-weapons] program is too redundant, it’s too hardened, and you gotta assume the worst, not the best. So if you ever use the military option, it’s not to just neutralize their nuclear facilities—you gotta be willing to take the regime completely down.”

“We’re not to the tipping point yet,” he noted, but “if they test another [nuclear] weapon, then all bets are off.”

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Dec 2017 07:41

US asks for ship ban
A ban on specific ships is well short of a naval blockade, so DT is still not ready. Those are clearly cheen ships, so blockade may drag in PLAN, hain?
Meanwhile Moon bin SoKo lungi-shivers.
Right now, Houth-KSA-Eyeran looks closer to war than US-NoKO-SoKO-cheen.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Dec 2017 10:11

What do the mullahs here make of the DT double-biss on Russia-cheen? Major steam-letting in Beijing

Zhang Baohui, a professor of political science at Lingnan University in Hong Kong, said the document showed the partnership between Trump and Xi, which Beijing had been trying to cultivate, "is dead."


"(The NSS) moves away from the false cooperative-competitive equivalency of past US administrations and embraces the latter as a reality that has been thrust upon America."
The failure to get Beijing to play ball on North Korea is similar to how the US has failed to get Chinese buy-in for international institutions and regulations, particularly on trade and intellectual policy -- where significant gaps remain, much to the chagrin of US companies.
This has been a major issue for repeated administrations in Washington, Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations {and total failure as diplomat}, said during a talk Monday. "(The NSS) seems to reject the idea that we could embed China or Russia in an international system based on rules more or less to our liking," he said. "So it seems to suggest that the future is one of balance of power, friction, and so forth." Haass added there appears to be a "reorienting of the relationship more towards the direction of China as something of a problem or a competitor, particularly in the economic realm."

Now cheen teeth show:
According to Zhang, this is more of a return to the norm for US-China policy, after Trump appeared to consider taking a more isolationist approach in line with his "America First" campaign rhetoric. "Now his foreign policy (is returning) to the standard posture of the US in world affairs since 1945, which is that it is bent on maintaining primacy and sees other great powers as challengers," he said.This will likely represent a maintaining of the status quo in terms of US-China relations, Zhang said, pointing to the hard line the Obama administration took on the South China Sea and the consistently tough stance Trump has taken on trade since he came to power.


IOW, phoeey!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Cain Marko » 20 Dec 2017 21:57

Arrey sir, ain't nothing going to happen in the short term. Trump is playing to his crowd, that's all. And he is really good at this.... And they love it.
Obama Care partial repeal... Done
Support Israel..... Embassy shift.... Done
Bombast about China.... Send in 3 cbgs...Done
Funding reduction for abortion clinics.... Done
Tax cuts..... Done
Make US munnas in oirope and asia look like villains.... Done

Lots of hawa and populist measures. He knows what gets the mob going, just like the latter Roman emperors and their circuses. Of course real issues are kicked down the way for future leaders to manage.

No war in far East yet. Know war in far East is near when the next recession hits.

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Postby UlanBatori » 23 Dec 2017 06:43

UNSC unanimously approves fuel cutoff.
That is a green light for USN/Poodleboats to stop ships on the high seas and search for NoKo-bound content, IMO. IOW, blockade. Wonder if they will stop cheen ships.
Strange that this got unanimous approval, which means that Russia is not willing to support NoKo all-out. I wonder why cheen did not veto: must have something else up the sleeve.
So one "out" may be that NoKo makes some sort of meaningless promise in exchange for food, and Russia/PRC tom-tom that as compromise, with help from lungi-shivering Moon. That would leave DT/Nikki isolated and in dismay, as they see the consensus for a military strike evaporate.

Given the new DT-announced sale of ATGMs to UkBapZis, Putin is not likely to be in a good mood. May sell a few SAMs to NoKo...

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 24 Dec 2017 10:49

abhik wrote:Do we know the it was the warhead that broke up and not the 1st/2nd stage?

Sorry for late reply. The picture had many light streaks indicating the RV broke up as opposed to large bright streaks or flashes which indicate large masses reentering.

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Postby DavidD » 24 Dec 2017 12:28

UlanBatori wrote:UNSC unanimously approves fuel cutoff.
That is a green light for USN/Poodleboats to stop ships on the high seas and search for NoKo-bound content, IMO. IOW, blockade. Wonder if they will stop cheen ships.
Strange that this got unanimous approval, which means that Russia is not willing to support NoKo all-out. I wonder why cheen did not veto: must have something else up the sleeve.
So one "out" may be that NoKo makes some sort of meaningless promise in exchange for food, and Russia/PRC tom-tom that as compromise, with help from lungi-shivering Moon. That would leave DT/Nikki isolated and in dismay, as they see the consensus for a military strike evaporate.

Given the new DT-announced sale of ATGMs to UkBapZis, Putin is not likely to be in a good mood. May sell a few SAMs to NoKo...


NK is a bigger threat to China than it is to the U.S., look for China to eliminate the Kim family and occupy NK if war breaks out.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Dec 2017 18:35

Why wait for war to break out? I suspect that "war" will consist of a "provocation" by North Korea, real or otherwise, followed by a massive simultaneous strike by US cruise missiles, artillery suppression, SAM suppression, anti-command&control strikes, and decapitation strikes on the leadership or at least their buildings.

Too late to send troops into harm's way to find the Kims at that point: "finding" may mean entering a Ground Zero 1 minute before massive airstrikes.

I am still very surprised that China voted for these UN sanctions. Was it because the sanctions still allow 500,000 barrels of oil and lots of other things to be imported (by sea)? So they are also toothless?

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Postby DavidD » 25 Dec 2017 03:43

UlanBatori wrote:Why wait for war to break out? I suspect that "war" will consist of a "provocation" by North Korea, real or otherwise, followed by a massive simultaneous strike by US cruise missiles, artillery suppression, SAM suppression, anti-command&control strikes, and decapitation strikes on the leadership or at least their buildings.

Too late to send troops into harm's way to find the Kims at that point: "finding" may mean entering a Ground Zero 1 minute before massive airstrikes.

I am still very surprised that China voted for these UN sanctions. Was it because the sanctions still allow 500,000 barrels of oil and lots of other things to be imported (by sea)? So they are also toothless?


Because SK will be the biggest surviving victim, so war has to be initiated by someone else, whether by NK or the U.S. China voting for these sanctions is their way of forcing NK to act or capitulate while hiding behind an American-led initiative. The noose is tightening around KJU, I expect some big happenings within the next couple of years.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Dec 2017 06:44

2 years is way too long, DT cannot keep 3 aircraft carrier groups floating off the coast for that much time. Besides, DT may be gone from WHOTUS inside 2 years, given how the elections in the US are shaping up.
Failure to act on North Korea will demolish his own support base.

Now this item: Obviously planned and executed under the gentle loving care of U No Hu

And in two years the PRC will totally dominate the Phillippine, Indonesian, Korean and Japanese oceans, with effectively 200 aircraft carrier islands, all capable of receiving tankers and heavy bombers, plus loads of cruise missiles. It will be all over for US presence.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Dec 2017 18:19

Wonder what happens if DT issues a flat-out ultimatum? "We need to go home, and we ain't leavin' no nooks in NoKo, aimed at our homeland or allies. Scrap the nukes, change the regime or face our wrath. U got 1 week and 3 choices".

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Dec 2017 18:21

c what I mean?

Answer this with an in-their-faces ultimatum as above. Enuf is enuf, etc.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Dec 2017 10:24

According the latest CNNlogic, the Chinese progress in the Chinese Ocean Island Aircraft Carrier bijnej is all due to Trump kicking out the SDOTUS dolts.
Source: CNN
China had a good year in the South China Sea, analysts told CNN
Critics argue the Trump administration has ignored the region

(CNN)In 2017, the South China Sea was the world's forgotten flashpoint.
Eclipsed by North Korea and overlooked by a Trump administration that has left many Asia positions unfilled, the lack of attention given to the disputed waters allowed China to press ahead with its military build-up on reclaimed land and work to placate the countries that contest its sweeping maritime claims. "The water was beautiful for China in the South China Sea in 2017," said Michael Fuchs, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.
But that could change in 2018, if an over-confident Beijing overplays its hand, forcing Washington and its allies to react.Though most analysts agree the White House has put the issue on the back burner, there is disagreement as to why. At the start of the year, it appeared that the Trump administration would take a more muscular approach to the South China Sea.
"Building islands and then putting military assets on those islands is akin to Russia's taking of Crimea. Its taking of territory that others lay claim to," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in his confirmation hearing in January.
"We're going to have to send China a clear signal that first, the island-building stops, and second, your access to those islands also not going to be allowed."

Ooooooooo! Scary!!!! :rotfl:

Fiery Cross Reef is even SHAPED like a Roundeye Aircraft Carrier! :eek:

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 26 Dec 2017 14:53

Peace on Earth and GoodWill Towards All: NoKo to pursue talks and morph into Satellite Launcher
Power of Positive Thinking by Moon :mrgreen:
And this is the killer:
On Tuesday, Beijing released customs data indicating China exported no oil products to North Korea in November, apparently going over and beyond U.N. sanctions.

And CNN believed them. :rotfl:

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Karthik S » 26 Dec 2017 15:00

Been boring year, was expecting some diwali either in NoKo-SoKo or KSA-Khatar. Atleast one of the them should have honored Chola saar's war calls.

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Postby UlanBatori » 27 Dec 2017 10:02

U forget Doklam where chola-saar went out alone on the North Bhutan/ Manasarovar plateau, smashing the cheen formations there. See how they have now reinforced with hajaar-hajaar troops, out of sheer fear. :eek: Was watching "BahuBali" the other din. If they show that in Bejing it's all over for the CPC.

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 Dec 2017 09:54

C'est la vie: Cheen spotted lying again :lol:

U.S. spy satellites reportedly captured photos of Chinese ships illegally selling oil to North Korean boats some 30 times since October.
Satellite images released by the U.S. Department of Treasury appeared to show vessels from both countries illegally trading oil in the West Sea, The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday, citing South Korean government sources.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Dec 2017 09:56

This should explain the sage advice to "wait a couple of months": North Korean nuclear-missile sub program surges ahead with "amazing speed" as usual.

Movement of parts and equipment at a key North Korean shipyard indicate workers are assembling a new missile sub on an “accelerated schedule,” according to 38 North, an analysis site run by the US-Korea Institute of Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Clues revealed by surveillance photos include large hull sections near construction halls and a test stand likely used for missile-ejection tests.
Even if it becomes successfully armed with nuclear weapons, one missile sub by itself might not be worrisome, from the US point of view. It would add a complication for defense planning more than an entirely new strategic threat. The sub itself almost certainly will be too noisy to get from the Korean coastline undetected.
It’s the direction of the sub program, and what it represents, that’s perhaps the problem. The diversity of North Korea’s nuclear-capable weapons is expanding at a rate that’s surprised US experts. Pyongyang may be moving quickly toward full-spectrum nuclear deterrence, a multi-prong plan intended to protect the existing regime against conventional as well as nuclear attack.
It’s part of a doctrine called “asymmetric escalation,” says one expert, who judges that North Korea has already constructed a strategic force capable of plausibly carrying it out.


If trump cannot get his mijjile(s) up to strike now...

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby nandakumar » 28 Dec 2017 20:51

UlanBatori wrote:C'est la vie: Cheen spotted lying again :lol:

U.S. spy satellites reportedly captured photos of Chinese ships illegally selling oil to North Korean boats some 30 times since October.
Satellite images released by the U.S. Department of Treasury appeared to show vessels from both countries illegally trading oil in the West Sea, The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday, citing South Korean government sources.

The Security Council resolution does not ban outright, sale of crude. It caps it at 5 million barrels per annum. That is about the same level as last year. Also, import of petroleum product is capped at 500000 barrels. No wonder the resolution was passed without Chinese veto. See the text below.

Clause 4 of the redolution says this.
"Decides that all Member States shall prohibit the direct or indirect supply, sale or transfer to the DPRK, through their territories or by their nationals, or using their flag vessels, aircraft, pipelines, rail lines, or vehicles and whether or not originating in their territories, of all crude oil, unless the Committee approves in advance on a case‑by‑case basis a shipment of crude oil which is exclusively for livelihood purposes of DPRK nationals and unrelated to the DPRK’s nuclear or ballistic missile programmes or other activities prohibited by resolutions 1718 (2006), 1874 (2009), 2087 (2013), 2094 (2013), 2270 (2016), 2321 (2016), 2356 (2017), 2371 (2017), 2375 (2017) or this resolution, further decides that this prohibition shall not apply with respect to crude oil that, for a period of twelve months after the date of adoption of this resolution, and for 12-month periods thereafter, does not exceed 4 million barrels or 525,000 tons in the aggregate per twelve month period, and decides that all Member States providing crude oil shall provide a report to the Committee every 90 days from the date of adoption of this resolution of the amount of crude oil provided to the DPRK;"

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Dec 2017 21:28

So there's plenty of room for a couple more nuke tests and a dozen mijjiles.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ashish raval » 29 Dec 2017 04:02

UlanBatori wrote:So there's plenty of room for a couple more nuke tests and a dozen mijjiles.

5 Millon barrel is what India imports everyday. So someone thinking that 20 million people and industrial complexes surviving on that amount is false notion. The minimum they can survive on is atleast 10 times that. Clearly American are going to photograph every shipment around NoKo for next 2 years and ban Chinese companies and argue that China is a terror abetting nation.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 29 Dec 2017 06:42

5 million barrels a day of imported oil? :eek: AoA! I found the number I needed elsewhere.


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