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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Oct 2017 07:52

Why is that? World outside seems to be almost certain that this time there is no non-war way out. Fatalist, optimist, or something else?
Maybe they think (as I do) that each piece of NoKo artillery has its address marked on a SoKo missile?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/worl ... otage.html
Trump Inherits a Secret Cyberwar Against North Korean Missiles
WASHINGTON — Three years ago, President Barack Obama ordered Pentagon officials to step up their cyber and electronic strikes against North Korea’s missile program in hopes of sabotaging test launches in their opening seconds.
Soon a large number of the North’s military rockets began to explode, veer off course, disintegrate in midair and plunge into the sea. Advocates of such efforts say they believe that targeted attacks have given American antimissile defenses a new edge and delayed by several years the day when North Korea will be able to threaten American cities with nuclear weapons launched atop intercontinental ballistic missiles.
But other experts have grown increasingly skeptical of the new approach, arguing that manufacturing errors, disgruntled insiders and sheer incompetence can also send missiles awry. Over the past eight months, they note, the North has managed to successfully launch three medium-range rockets. And Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, now claims his country is in “the final stage in preparations” for the inaugural test of his intercontinental missiles — perhaps a bluff, perhaps not.
An examination of the Pentagon’s disruption effort, based on interviews with officials of the Obama and Trump administrations as well as a review of extensive but obscure public records, found that the United States still does not have the ability to effectively counter the North Korean nuclear and missile programs. Those threats are far more resilient than many experts thought, The New York Times’s reporting found, and pose such a danger that Mr. Obama, as he left office, warned President Trump they were likely to be the most urgent problem he would confront.
Mr. Trump has signaled his preference to respond aggressively against the North Korean threat. In a Twitter post after Mr. Kim first issued his warning on New Year’s Day, the president wrote, “It won’t happen!” Yet like Mr. Obama before him, Mr. Trump is quickly discovering that he must choose from highly imperfect options.
He could order the escalation of the Pentagon’s cyber and electronic warfare effort, but that carries no guarantees. He could open negotiations with the North to freeze its nuclear and missile programs, but that would leave a looming threat in place. He could prepare for direct missile strikes on the launch sites, which Mr. Obama also considered, but there is little chance of hitting every target. He could press the Chinese to cut off trade and support, but Beijing has always stopped short of steps that could lead to the regime’s collapse.
In two meetings of Mr. Trump’s national security deputies in the Situation Room, the most recent on Tuesday, all those options were discussed, along with the possibility of reintroducing nuclear weapons to South Korea as a dramatic warning. Administration officials say those issues will soon go to Mr. Trump and his top national security aides.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 12 Oct 2017 12:48

President Evil "has lit the wick of war",says NoKo.

North Korea accuses Donald Trump of lighting 'the wick of war' as it threatens 'a hail of fire'
North Korea's minister of foreign affairs Ri Yong-ho gives interview to TASS news agency CREDIT: GETTY
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12 OCTOBER 2017 • 2:04AM
North Korea has reportedly escalated the war of words with Donald Trump, accusing the US president of lighting "the wick of war".

Speaking to Russia's state-run TASS news agency, North Korea's Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho said his country's nuclear programme guaranteed peace and safety in the region and would not be a matter of discussion.

"With his bellicose and insane statement at the United Nations, Trump, you can say, has lit the wick of a war against us," TASS quoted Mr Ri as saying. "We need to settle the final score, only with a hail of fire, not words."

Mr Ri was referring to the US president's speech at the United Nation, where he threatened the “total destruction” of North Korea should it attack the US.

Last month, the foreign minister also said Mr Trump had declared war by tweeting that leader Kim Jong-un "won't be around much longer".

Trump on Kim Jong-un: "Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself"
01:05
"We have almost reached the last point on the journey towards our final goal - to achieve a real balance of power with the United States," Mr Ri told TASS.

"Our principal position is that we will never agree to any talks in which our nuclear weapons will be the subject of negotiations."

Mr Ri has previously called Trump "President Evil" and his comments are likely to fuel the bellicose exchanges between the US President and Mr Kim.

Tensions between North Korea and the United States have risen in recent weeks over Pyongyang's nuclear weapons and missile programmes.

North Korea has test-fired several missiles and conducted what it said was a test explosion of a hydrogen bomb as it advances toward its goal of developing a nuclear-tipped missile capable of hitting the US mainland.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 12 Oct 2017 20:04

How a homemade tool helped North Korea's missile program

Very misleading headline for CNC machines are hardly home made tools.

Recall in the farcas in the mid 2000 decade time frame when maverick objected to ArunS comments about lack of CNC machines contributing to the S1 less than optimum output? And the vituperative attacks by all and sundry? Here is proof of the importance of CNC machines to TN programs.

Even now OFB factories are stymied by lack of CNC machines and are far behind factory modernization. Year after year CAG reports bemoan this fact yet nothing happens as the industrial policy is in doldrums with import mentality.



How a homemade tool helped North Korea's missile program

MSN, 12 October 2017..

In 2009, a pop video from North Korea celebrated a new national hero — one that outside experts would later realize was at the heart of the secretive state's banned nuclear and missile programs.


That hero, widely available in factories across the world, was the Computer Numerical Control (CNC) machine.


Big, gray and boxy, CNC machines use pre-programmed guides to produce intricate parts for everything from automobiles and mobile phones to furniture and clothes. They offer accuracy that human machine tool operators are unable to achieve.

In North Korea, thanks to a combination of homemade technology and reverse engineering, the machines now play a critical role in the weapons programs. They allow Kim Jong Un to build nuclear bombs and missiles without relying as heavily on outside technical aid or imports.

Nuclear weapons experts say this has helped him accelerate missile and nuclear testing despite international sanctions on the transfer of sensitive equipment.


"North Korea's centrifuges and new missiles all depend on components made with CNC machine tools," said Jeffrey Lewis, head of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the Middlebury Institute of Strategic Studies in Monterey, California.

"(They) are the essential underlying technology for producing missiles and nuclear weapons," said Lewis.

Since 1996, CNC machines have been included in the Wassenaar Arrangement — an international arms control regime aimed at stopping the proliferation of equipment with both civilian and military uses. North Korea is not a signatory.
:rotfl:

The country's celebrations of its CNC technology have been fulsome. Hundreds of dancers in luminous orange and green performed the CNC pop song, titled "Break through the cutting edge," at a Korean Workers' Party celebration in 2010. In 2012, the year the South Korean hit "Gangnam Style" was released, the North's CNC title was on karaoke machines nationwide, according to Choson Exchange, a Singapore-based company that trains North Koreans in business skills. The official video for the song opens with a long-range North Korean rocket soaring into a blue sky.

A LONG HISTORY WITH THE MACHINES

North Korea likely started to develop its own CNC machines in the early 1990s as part of a drive to build sophisticated missiles and nuclear weapons, nuclear experts say. It probably learned how to make them by taking apart machines it had imported from the Soviet Union. :?: :?: :?:

Its first homemade CNC machine was introduced in 1995. Former leader Kim Jong Il gave the machine the "Ryonha" brand, according to a 2009 article in the country's official newspaper, Rodong Sinmun. That was the first time state media mentioned the technology.

By 2009, the machines had become a mainstay of North Korean propaganda, as Pyongyang launched a nationwide campaign to boost domestic industry. Sanctions were mounting after its second nuclear test and a long-range missile launch that year.

At the time, arms control experts raised concerns about a visit by former leader Kim Jong Il to a North Korean factory where homemade CNC machines appeared to be producing aluminum tubes. These could be used for nuclear centrifuges.

"By around 2010, it seemed they were capable of manufacturing various types of CNC machines," said Kim Heung-gwang, a North Korean defector who taught at Pyongyang's Hamhung Computer Technology University before defecting to South Korea.

But it wasn't until 2013 that the Korea Ryonha Machinery Joint Venture Corporation, which produced the machines, was blacklisted by the U.N. Security Council for supporting the weapons programs.

And it was only in August this year that U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that North Korea likely has the ability to produce its own missile engines themselves.

Now, Kim Heung-gwang estimates, North Korea has about 15,000 CNC machines. He bases this on North Korean state media reports and photos as well as interviews with more than a dozen defectors who were scientists, professors or factory workers.

LOOPHOLE

Pyongyang hailed the homemade machines as a triumph for its governing ideology of "Juche," which champions self-sufficiency. But that wasn't strictly true.

In August 2016, state media released photos of Kim Jong Un visiting a factory using CNC machines with the logo of Swiss engineering firm ABB ABB.UL, one of the leading players in the global CNC machine market. It's not clear when or how the machine reached North Korea.

ABB said the firm respects all applicable trade sanctions against North Korea, and undertakes not to deliver ABB equipment to the country. :rotfl:

"That said, we cannot rule out that some of our equipment may have been resold to DPR of Korea without our knowledge or permission,"[/b] the company said in response to a Reuters inquiry, using North Korea's official title. :((

A United Nations panel monitoring sanctions on North Korea said in a report this year that Tengzhou Keyongda CNC Machine Tools Co of China had been a supplier of Pyongyang's new CNC machines. A sales representative for Tengzhou Keyongda told Reuters the company stopped selling CNC machines to North Korea four years ago, and no longer maintains trade relations with the country.

Despite sanctions, CNC machines are commonplace across North Korean manufacturing and can be brought in through China and Russia, said Lee Choon-geun, a senior fellow at the Science and Technology Policy Institute in South Korea.

The biggest loophole has been that while some CNC machines are banned because they can have both military and civilian functions, most serve civilian industry.

"Given their dual-use capability, you could even import the machines for other purposes, take them to pieces and use them however you want," said Lee.

The CNC song highlights this in its opening line: “Whatever it is, once we put our mind to it, there’s a program to make it,” it says.

By James Pearson and Hyonhee Shin in SEOUL; additional reporting by Matt Spetalnick and David Brunnstrom in WASHINGTON, Lusha Zhang in BEIJING; editing by Soyoung Kim, Lincoln Feast and Sara Ledwith




Enjoy and ruminate. Last because ArunS had told how important CNC machines were for India and the forum thought leaders attacked him

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Oct 2017 21:31

Thoughts of Mao tse Tung, p. 864, column 3:
The Capitarist wirr serr u the lope with which 2 hang him.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 12 Oct 2017 21:53

"Juche" at work in NoKo.Similar to our Swadeshi movement.Juche is the driving force behind all NoKo enterprise and national effort.Their mantra for progress and strength.India today has a new mantra Videshi!
Soon we will all be speaking Chindi too!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 01:36

SoKo undies in a knot

I thought this was totally disinformation, but if so they are doing it well.
it took Defense Minister Song Young-moo two months since his appointment to detect this grave security breach that his predecessor tried to sweep under the table. A probe has now resulted in disciplinary punishment of 26 officials, including the head of the cyber defense command. If the same thing happened in North Korea they would all have been put in front of a firing squad, but here in South Korea such embarrassing lapses are swept under the carpet and forgotten about.

Chinese police have advised a dozen South Korean missionaries working near the border with North Korea to leave due to fears of abduction or attacks by North Korean agents.
Sources in the border city of Dandong and the South Korean Consulate in Shenyang on Wednesday said Chinese police advised the South Korean missionaries to go home earlier this month.
One South Korean source in the region said, "We weren't coerced, but they explained that in view of the threat it would be advisable for us to stay out of China until the Communist Party Congress ends."
Some South Koreans were summoned to police stations but were not told exactly what threats they faced from North Korea.
Dandong is a hotspot for North Korean agents trying to sniff out defectors who have fled across the border, and it is a more or less open secret which hotels they frequent.
South Korean missionaries in the area mostly double as helpers for defectors on their arduous trek across China to Southeast Asia.


October 11, 2017 11:17
North Korean troops have repeatedly practiced paragliding into the command center of combined South Korean and U.S. forces in Seoul recently, according to a military source here. Paragliding is a leisure activity in South Korea but seen by North Korean special troops as a new means of infiltrating the South. "The North's special forces practiced for several days in mid-September paragliding to infiltrate and seize the South Korea-U.S. Combined Forces Command headquarters in Yongsan, Seoul," the source said. The special troops were practicing infiltration into a mockup of the CFC headquarters at a training ground, the source added. Paragliding equipment weights only 3 to 4 kg, so it can be easily carried around mountainous terrain. It would not be easy to detect North Korean paragliders with radar.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 01:40

Kim's crew are entertaining, if nothing else!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Oct 2017 01:45

If you watched Olympus is down the NoKo entertainment was the basis of the film

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Has_Fallen

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Gerard » 13 Oct 2017 03:36

M 2.9 - 23km NE of Sungjibaegam, North Korea
2017-10-12 16:41:08 UTC 41.379°N 129.012°E 5.0 km depth
This event occurred in the area of the previous North Korean Nuclear tests. The event has earthquake-like characteristics, however, we cannot conclusively confirm at this time the nature (natural or human-made) of the event. The depth is poorly constrained and has been held to 5 km by the seismologist. The Air Force Technical Applications Center (AFTAC) is the sole organization in the U.S. federal government whose mission is to detect and report technical data from foreign nuclear explosions.

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Postby ramana » 13 Oct 2017 03:55

5km depth would indicate eqk.

Expect eventual increase in Richter number once all stations report the data.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 07:45

ramana, Gerard, Is it possible to send a nuke down a 5000 m shaft? How deep are oil wells? Then again, 2.9 is petty, those occur in most places, even Malloostan sees like 4.0. Houses vibrate. I think if they have figured out how to do tests deep in 5km shafts, they can have pretty powerful ones go off, hain?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

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All media :(( Chinese lifafa, IMO.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 07:57

Now I think war is certain:
Global ratings firm Fitch said Thursday that a war between North and South Korea is unlikely, quelling fears of a credit downgrade for the South. "While the current level of tension is high, strains on the Korean Peninsula are not new," Fitch said in a statement. It pointed to a similar "pattern of rise-and-fall cycles" in the past and maintained South Korea's sovereign rating at AA- with a stable outlook. The rating has been unchanged since September 2012. However, Fitch noted that increasing geopolitical risks on the Korean Peninsula could have a negative impact on South Korea's economy by exacerbating business and consumer sentiment. It added that South Korea's solid growth trend and sound fiscal conditions are positive factors but cautioned against the country’s high level of household debt.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby shiv » 13 Oct 2017 08:30

UlanBatori wrote:ramana, Gerard, Is it possible to send a nuke down a 5000 m shaft? How deep are oil wells? Then again, 2.9 is petty, those occur in most places, even Malloostan sees like 4.0. Houses vibrate. I think if they have figured out how to do tests deep in 5km shafts, they can have pretty powerful ones go off, hain?

The subject is a hairy one and will simply rake up old emotions - but the easiest way to judge a nuke yield AFAIK is atmospheric testing. Failing that it has to be cavity sampling. All indirect sensors are subject to errors. 5 km down would be a pointless test. Simply a demonstration of capability, not a "test"

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 16:27

Cage-rattling starts again. Guam threat revived.

"We have already warned several times that we will take counteractions for self-defense, including a salvo of missiles into waters near the US territory of Guam," the KCNA report quoted Kim Kwang Hak, a researcher at the Institute for American Studies of the North Korean Foreign Ministry, as saying. "The US military action hardens our determination that the US should be tamed with fire and lets us take our hand closer to the "trigger" for taking the toughest countermeasure," Kim added. The latest warnings from Pyongyang follow weeks of rising tensions, which promise to escalate further when the US and South Korea joint naval exercises begin Monday. Joint military exercises are particularly infuriating to Pyongyang. The North Korean government views them as a dress rehearsal for an invasion -- even as the US insists they are purely defensive :roll: in nature.

But look at the nice composite woven fuel tank. These fellows could make a lot of money selling those to petrol bunks, hain?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Oct 2017 19:59

All this reminds me of the Bollywood movie Hungama where the two heros(aftab and akshay khanna ) keep on saying haath laga ke bata, pehle tu haath laga ad nauseum

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Oct 2017 21:36

More like "Hold Me Back Before I Teach Him a Lesson!" from both sides.
Here is more diaper-shivering

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Oct 2017 08:11

Beloveds! Pls to look at the pic in this article onlee.

Why does the submarine looks bent? Surely they cannot bend the hull?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 14 Oct 2017 14:09

Crafty b*gger Kim-3! If he indeed stole the US's cyberwarfare weapons,then no wonder he's smiling in the pics launching missiles,etc! He may redirect Trump's "farting" towards Tokyo instead what?!

North Korea behind WannaCry attack which crippled the NHS after stealing US cyber weapons, Microsoft chief claims
NHS computer systems were hit in cyber attack CREDIT: EPA

Nicola Harley
14 OCTOBER 2017 •
North Korea was behind the WannaCry attack which crippled the NHS after stealing US cyber weapons,the head of Microsoft has claimed.

The cyber attack in May was the largest in the NHS's history and put lives under threat as hundreds of operations were cancelled.

It led to ambulances diverted as p to 40 hospital trusts became infected by a “ransomware” attack demanding payment to regain access to vital medical records.

Now the President of Microsoft has told ITV News that the government of North Korea was responsible for the attack.

Brad Smith said he believed "with great confidence" that Pyongyang was behind the hack which impacted 200,000 computers in 150 countries around the world.

"I think at this point that all observers in the know have concluded that WannaCry was caused by North Korea using cyber tools or weapons that were stolen from the National Security Agency in the United States," he said.

North Korea has been widely linked with the WannaCry cyber-attack but this is the first time that an executive at Microsoft has blamed the administration publicly.

Mr Smith says cyber-attacks by nation-states have become more frequent and more severe: "I think over last six months we've seen threats come to life, unfortunately, in new and more serious way. The problem has become bigger"

He believes that as societies becomes more reliant on technology so the risk increases that vital public services and elections will be targeted by state-sponsored hacks and has called on governments to do more to protect their citizens from harm.

"We need governments to come together as they did in Geneva in 1949 and adopt a new Digital Geneva Convention that makes clear that these cyber-attacks against civilians, especially in times of peace, are off-limits and a violation of international law," he added.

Shortly after the WannaCry attack Microsoft itself faced criticism.

Many of the NHS hospitals affected by the malware virus were using XP - an older version of Windows - which Microsoft had decided to stop supporting.

Microsoft XP is 17 years old but one in 20 of the NHS’s thousands of computers – five per cent of the total – are still fitted with the programme.

The attack meant vital equipment, such as MRI scanners and X-ray machines, had to be taken offline as they could not be repaired immediately.
Mr Smith acknowledged that hospital budgets are tight but insists greater priority needs to be given to upgrading IT systems.

"When hospitals think about the equipment that is critical to protecting their patients they've got to think not only about the beds. Computers play a fundamental role in the delivery of healthcare and patients shouldn't have to rely on healthcare based on an old computer."

Microsoft has developed anti-viral software to protect users from hacks, the company also attempts to spot and disrupt cyber-attacks from its Digital Crimes Unit.

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Postby UlanBatori » 14 Oct 2017 17:08

Now North Korea aligns with CNN and blames it all on Trump's social media tweets

Jim Schoff, a former senior Pentagon adviser for East Asia policy, told the AP the B-1B flights were not just intended to signal US resolve, but to practice making the long flight from Guam where they are based, and "to get a feel for what kind of air defences North Korea has and how we see them react".


That sounds like deliberate cage-rattling to NoKo, to launch towards Guam.

Mr Kim’s commentary..: “What should not be overlooked is that such military moves have been conducted at a time when the Trump group posted on Twitter such letters reading that the US failed to handle North Korea for the past 25 years and only one thing will prove effective, while frequently hinting at ‘military option’ backed by such rubbish as ‘a calm before a storm’ and ‘total destruction’."The comments came just days after Mr Trump said "only one thing will work" with North Korea and referred to "the calm before the storm".

The DPRK commentary also said the US actions justified the continuation of its nuclear weapons programme, which has been widely condemned by the international community.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Oct 2017 17:10

Duh! Timing of war clarified.
I went and ate a Paper Masala dosa in preparation. Now I feel like a rocket myself. :mrgreen:

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Oct 2017 07:06

Britain prepares for war with North Korea

Gray paint seems cleaner on the British carrier than that on the USS Ronald Reagan. Must be so much more time in the showroom.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Oct 2017 07:17

Meanwhile, hints of Comrade Putin's game: Reunification under Russian Benevolence?

Russian Senate head to discuss nuclear program with North, South Korea.
A senior official in the Russian parliament will discuss North Korea's missile and nuclear program in separate talks with parliamentarians from Seoul and Pyongyang on Monday, TASS news agency said.
Valentina Matviyenko, speaker of the Senate upper house, will discuss the issue with a deputy head of North Korea's legislature and the head of South Korea's parliament on the sidelines of a congress of parliamentarians in St Petersburg, TASS quoted a senior Russian lawmaker as saying.
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"Both meetings will take place on Oct. 16," TASS


All the lungi-shivering so far has been about cheen dominating a united Korea. The Russians were left out of the calculation, always a bad move. Russia could become the security guarantor of a united Korea.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Oct 2017 18:11

Tashkent 1966 anyone?

It had never occurred to me until just now that the B707 event on Mont Blanc was directly related to the sorry result for Patton tanks and Sabre Jets in 1965.
Valentina Matviyenko, speaker of the Senate upper house of parliament, is due to discuss the issue in separate talks with a deputy head of North Korea’s legislature and the head of South Korea’s parliament on the sidelines of a congress of parliamentarians in St Petersburg on Monday, TASS quoted a senior Russian lawmaker as saying on Saturday. TASS cited a Russian parliamentarian at the time as saying Moscow would call on the two countries to use the opportunity to have direct talks to try to narrow their differences. But the RIA news agency on Sunday cited Piotr Tolstoi, the deputy speaker of the Russian lower house of parliament, and an unnamed member of North Korea’s delegation as saying there would not be any direct talks.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 16 Oct 2017 04:42

UB, You should visit the 1965 war thread. Even CHIC 4 test was after the Asal Uttar Patton kheema.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 16 Oct 2017 11:30

Donald Trump may launch unilateral nuclear attack, Hillary Clinton warns
Democrat says Republicans will seek to oust US President in 2020
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 02211.html

The grapevine has it that Trump is all gung-ho, ready to kick Kim-3's backside to kingdom come. US warplans are ready,forces awaiting the greenlight from Mordor,aka Trump Towers,to launch his nazgul at Kim. He's just awaiting an uncontrollable "fart" from Kim-3,who will end up as "kimchi" instead! Shrillary speaks with insider knowledge.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 16 Oct 2017 21:27

HiCNN pamphlets reach Seoul
Suspected :rotfl: North Korea 'Mad Dog Trump' Leaflets Reach Seoul

Hilary-us, pun intended.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 16 Oct 2017 21:36

North Korea's niclear warheads for ballistic missiles.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 17 Oct 2017 06:28

Nuclear war break out any moment.. NoKo

Kim In Ryong told the U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee that North Korea is the only country in the world that has been subjected to “such an extreme and direct nuclear threat” from the United States since the 1970s — and said the country has the right to possess nuclear weapons in self-defense. He pointed to large-scale military exercises every year using “nuclear assets” and said what is more dangerous is what he called a U.S. plan to stage a “secret operation aimed at the removal of our supreme leadership.”
This year, Kim said, North Korea completed its “state nuclear force and thus became the full-fledged nuclear power which possesses the delivery means of various ranges, including the atomic bomb, H-bomb and intercontinental ballistic rockets.”
“The entire U.S. mainland is within our firing range and if the U.S. dares to invade our sacred territory even an inch it will not escape our severe punishment in any part of the globe,” he warned.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 17 Oct 2017 10:40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 02756.html

North Korea EMP attack could ‘shut down US power grid and kill 90% of Americans’
Two members of former congressional EMP commission warned Congress to take threats more seriously

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Kim Jong Un's regime is aiming to develop intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach US
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Experts have warned Congress that it is ignoring a newly-developed weapon from North Korea which could shut down the US power grid and kill the vast majority of Americans within a year.

Two members of the disbanded congressional Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) commission said at a recent House Homeland Security subcommittee hearing that a nuclear EMP attack from Kim Jong Un was the “biggest threat” to the US yet it remains “unacknowledged” by the government.

More attention has been focused on the regime’s continued testing of intercontinental ballistic missiles this year, but the dictatorship also recently claimed to have tested a hydrogen bomb underground in September.

The regime said in a public statement that such a bomb could be detonated at high altitudes for “super-powerful EMP attack according to strategic goals”.

William Graham, chairman of the former EMP commission and its former chief of staff, Peter Vincent Pry, warned the hearing that such an attack could “shut down the US electric power grid for an indefinite period, leading to the death within a year of up to 90 per cent of all Americans.“

They urged the House to protect the grid, and warned that US ballistic missile defence systems are currently designed to intercept missiles from North Korea that approach the US over the North Polar region, but not over the South Polar region.

Trump: US's military solution for North Korea would be 'devastating'
Former Republican representative Curt Weldon, one of the founders of the former commission, wrote in The Hill last month: "A nuclear EMP attack would destroy electronics everywhere, cause planes to crash, stop cars and rail traffic, blackout electric grids and other critical infrastructures that make modern civilization, and life itself, possible. Eventually, millions would die from starvation, disease, and societal collapse."
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The two former commission members added that North Korea is thought to have 60 nuclear weapons, and its intercontinental ballistic missiles could reach Denver and Chicago, and “perhaps the entire US”.

The regime is developing H-bombs which are “comparable to sophisticated US two-stage thermonuclear weapons”, they said.

Britain are 'preparing for war with North Korea'
Experts such as former NASA rocket scientist James Oberg have previously warned that the regime could use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead and detonate it over the US.

Mr Graham and Mr Pry condemned the one-upmanship between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un, who have called each other “rocket man” and “mentally deranged”, which has worsened tensions between the two countries.

The EMP commission was defunded under the new administration.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 17 Oct 2017 11:25

Things are really going downhill as the Trumpeter sends in another N-sub to the region. As the birdy chirped,"Trump's finger is on the trigger with the safety catch off"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... any-moment
North Korean UN envoy says 'nuclear war may break out at any moment'
Deputy ambassador Kim In-ryong tells general assembly his nation has been subjected to ‘extreme and direct nuclear threat’ from US
North Korea deputy United Nations ambassador Kim In-ryong

Associated Press
Tuesday 17 October 2017 01.23 BST
North Korea’s deputy UN ambassador has warned that the situation on the Korean peninsula “has reached the touch-and-go point and a nuclear war may break out any moment”.

Kim In-ryong told the UN general assembly’s disarmament committee that North Korea is the only country in the world that has been subjected to “such an extreme and direct nuclear threat” from the United States since the 1970s and said the country has the right to possess nuclear weapons in self-defence.

He pointed to large-scale military exercises every year using “nuclear assets” and said what is more dangerous is what he called a US plan to stage a “secret operation aimed at the removal of our supreme leadership”.

This year, Kim said, North Korea completed its “state nuclear force and thus became the full-fledged nuclear power which possesses the delivery means of various ranges, including the atomic bomb, H-bomb and intercontinental ballistic rockets”.

“The entire US mainland is within our firing range and if the US dares to invade our sacred territory even an inch it will not escape our severe punishment in any part of the globe,” he warned.

Kim’s speech follows escalating threats between North Korea and the United States, and increasingly tough UN sanctions.

The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said on Monday that his country was curtailing economic, scientific and other ties with North Korea in line with UN sanctions, and the European Union announced new sanctions on Pyongyang for developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

The US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, said on Sunday that diplomatic efforts aimed at resolving the North Korean crisis “will continue until the first bomb drops”.

His commitment to diplomacy came despite President Donald Trump’s tweets several weeks ago that his chief envoy was “wasting his time” trying to negotiate with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, whom he derisively referred to as “Little Rocket Man.” The president said “only one thing will work” with North Korea but refused to elaborate on what that was.

North Korea’s deputy UN ambassador called his country’s nuclear and missile arsenal “a precious strategic asset that cannot be reversed or bartered for anything”.

“Unless the hostile policy and the nuclear threat of the US is thoroughly eradicated, we will never put our nuclear weapons and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table under any circumstances,” Kim said.

He told the disarmament committee that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, which North Korea calls itself, had hoped for a nuclear-free world.

Instead, Kim said, all nuclear states were accelerating the modernisation of their weapons and “reviving a nuclear arms race reminiscent of [the] cold war era”. He noted that the nuclear weapon states, including the United States, boycotted negotiations for the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons that was approved in July by 122 countries at the United Nations.

“The DPRK consistently supports the total elimination of nuclear weapons and the efforts for denuclearisation of the entire world,” he said. But as long as the United States rejected the treaty and “constantly threatens and blackmails the DPRK with nuclear weapons … the DPRK is not in position to accede to the treaty”.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2017 21:26

Austin where are those slides from? Any more there?


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 18 Oct 2017 20:09

USS Michigan in SoKo with 150 Tomahawks and two SEAL modules aboard.Speculation that the SEALs are there to decapitate the NoKo leadership should the balloon go up.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Oct 2017 23:18

North Korea's Hotel shaped like the warhead of a mijjile

I bet they'll have a transparent elevator shaft with the cab shaped like a W-88?
Now Pakistan will have to emulate this, hain? .... :eek:

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 18 Oct 2017 23:48

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/n ... -1.3571443
"The North Korean Navy comprises 430 patrol combat ships, 260 amphibious landing craft, & 40 support ships. Also 70 submarines, making it the largest submarine fleet in the dunia"

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rudradev » 19 Oct 2017 02:55

The 70 submarines include 43 patrol combat ships and 26 amphibious landing craft which, once launched, promptly submerge.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 20 Oct 2017 20:20

BBC this morning had a Chinese prof from Beijing who was speaking about Xi JInping losing tolerance for Kim Young Un's nuclear antics. He claimed Noko was on edge of a cliff and one more test either missile or nuke would make Xi push them over it.

Just a data point.


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