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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 07 Jan 2016 03:29

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/world ... tions.html
"White House Disputes North Korea’s Claim of Hydrogen Bomb Test"
The White House said Wednesday that initial data from its monitoring stations in Asia were “not consistent” with North Korea’s claim that the nuclear test it carried out earlier in the day was its first test of a hydrogen bomb, a far more powerful weapon than the country had previously built.
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The United States did not indicate the basis for its skepticism. But the seismic wave left by the explosion was smaller than what most experts would expect from the detonation of a true thermonuclear weapon.


Earlier in the day, officials and analysts in South Korea cast doubt on the North’s claim, saying that the seismological data from the test was more in keeping with a simpler uranium- or plutonium-based atomic device.

Lee Cheol-woo, a member of the intelligence committee of the South Korean National Assembly, said his country’s National Intelligence Service had estimated that the explosive yield from the test was equivalent to six kilotons of TNT. (By comparison, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 exploded with 15 kilotons of energy.)

A hydrogen bomb would have yielded “hundreds of kilotons or, even if it is a failed test, tens of kilotons,” Mr. Lee told reporters. The North’s last nuclear test, in February 2013, set off a magnitude 4.9 tremor. The South estimated that the bomb detonated on Wednesday resulted in a magnitude 4.8 seismic event, smaller than the 4.9 to 5.2 range that American, European and Chinese authorities had reported.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 07 Jan 2016 03:48

SoKo and US have their own interests to claim NoKo did not succeed.
people will wonder what did they know and when did they know and more importantly what did they do?

BTW, Bill Clinton was the one who gave NoKo a nuke deal in 1995.

His wife Hillary Clinton is now running for US President.

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ShauryaT wrote:From BK.
NKorea/Pakistan’s thermonuclear test details

The International Monitoring System based at Petropavlovsk, Kamchatka Peninsula in Russia (comprising 5 primary and 13 auxiliary seismic stations, 4 infrasound stations, 8 radionuclide stations, 1 radionuclide laboratory), downwind from the North Korean Hanggyong mountain test site, has detected tritium. It confirms that the test Pyongyang was preparing for, and which the North Korean supremo Kim Jong Eun today confirmed, was of a hydrogen device, as warned in my blog on the subject three days ago. The seismic reading of 5.1 on the Richter Scale, in that rock hard substratum, translates to yield in the 50-100 kiloton range.

What experts believe is that given the relatively small yield for a fusion design but an apparently nearly flawless performance of the critical radiation channel that directs the fission energy from an atomic explosion into the tritium fuel package (that is the two stage system) in order to set off a full thermonuclear burn, the very good possibility is that the Pakistani designers have achieved something even more challenging — a successful tailored yield device and that too in miniaturized form!

This is a remarkable technical achievement even with Chinese weapons experts assisting and helping in configuring the design and vetting it before final engineering, for Pakistan to get right at the first shot — something India failed to do, whatever R. Chidambaram may say by way of obfuscatory explanations about the S-1 test in May, 1998.

But this is not the end. There is a certain method here. The 2013 test carried out in North Korea was of an FBF (fusion-assisted fission) device. The present test was of an enhanced FBF system. Far from being the terminus, there’s likely to be still another test in the series which will be full-fledged thermonuclear, and this new test could be conducted as early as July (or thereabouts) 2016 — i.e., just some six months-odd from now.

The strategic implications of Pakistan going fully thermonuclear with tested and proven weapons, courtesy the North Koreans and their making their test site available to the Pak Army’s SPD (Strategic Plans Division)-run nuclear weapons programme and hence providing Islamabad with plausible deniability — a brilliant working of the ‘rogue triad’ of China, Pakistan and North Korea, are too daunting to consider. For starters, it nullifies the official Indian doctrine’s misplaced reliance on “massive retaliation” as credible deterrence. When an adversary confronts you with a proven and tested high yield weapon and you have only a notional fusion weapon that may or may not work — thanks to the lack of open-ended testing owing to the test moratorium persisted with by now four successive govts (including, so far the Modi regime) since the Shakti series of tests 17 years ago.

The crucial difference is an incomprehensibly contented India habituated to thinking and acting small and minimal, sat still, thinking it had accomplished every thing, and is now where it was in May 1998 in terms of a noncredible thermonuclear arsenal. On the other hand, an unsatisfied Pakistan, displaying the sort of strategic verve and imagination absent in GOI, sought out other means of getting the weapons inventory it desired, and found a way out from under the US sanctions overhang in cahoots with its willing partners — China and North Korea.

Delhi sought Washington’s suffocating embrace and now finds itself inferior strategic weapons-wise to a rump state carved out of India some 70 years ago but one with a far stronger will, a formidable sense of its national self, and an infinitely greater flair for playing the international power game.

Guess where that leaves India?




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Postby A_Gupta » 07 Jan 2016 03:51

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 475761.cms
NEW DELHI: Without naming Pakistan India Wednesday reiterated its concerns over proliferation links between North-East Asia and its neighbourhood soon after North Korea claimed to have tested a thermonuclear device. Pyongyang stunned the world by declaring that it had successfully tested a hydrogen bomb.

As it called upon North Korea to refrain from such actions which adversely impact peace and stability in the region, the government said, ``Our concerns about proliferation links between North-East Asia and our neighbourhood are well-known".

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 07 Jan 2016 06:10

S.Korean assesment on the NoKo test:
N.K.H-bomb test claim in doubt

The seismic centers offered different magnitudes of the quake. The European Mediterranean Seismological Center announced a magnitude of 5.2 while the U.S. Geological Survey and the Chinese Earthquake Administration put it at 5.1 and 4.9, respectively. The Korea Meteorological Administration gave the lowest figure of 4.2.

The previous nuclear test in 2013 triggered an artificial earthquake with a magnitude of some 4.9, based on which Seoul officials raised the possibility that the North might not have tested a hydrogen bomb whose explosive power should have been much greater.


“Although the North claims that it is a hydrogen bomb, given the magnitude of the earthquake there is a possibility that it is not so,” a senior official of the National Intelligence Service said in his report to the National Assembly’s Intelligence Committee.

“In the third nuclear test, the explosive power was 7.9 kilotons. But this time, the explosive power was 6.0. It should have been much greater even if the test had failed.”

One kiloton is equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT. In the North’s second nuclear test in 2009, the explosive power was recorded at between 2 kilotons and 6 kilotons, a reason why analysts called it a “half success.”

In its first nuclear test in 2006, the explosive power was about 1 kiloton. Due to its weak explosion, experts evaluated the test as a failure.

Seoul’s intelligence officials put more weight on the possibility that the North conducted a test on a boosted fission bomb -- called a 1.5-generation nuclear bomb -- the development of which is seen as a preliminary step toward developing a hydrogen bomb, dubbed a “second-generation bomb.”

Military officials, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, also said it was “difficult to deem” the latest test as a hydrogen bomb experiment considering the estimated explosive power. The ministry also shunned criticism of the military for having failed to detect signs of a nuclear test by saying they have been keeping close surveillance but the exact time of the explosion is near impossible to predict.

Though doubts remain, the latest test is expected to further upgrade the North’s nuclear capabilities. Experts believe its nuclear weapons technology has come a long way from the three previous nuclear tests.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby deejay » 07 Jan 2016 13:36

HomeNews
South Korea to restart propaganda loudspeakers on North's border
Published time: 7 Jan, 2016 08:59


https://www.rt.com/news/328153-south-north-korea-loudspeakers/

South Korea says it will restart propaganda loudspeaker broadcasts along the border with the North, following Pyongyang's claimed hydrogen bomb test.
Seoul has already restricted access to Kaesong industrial park, the last significant joint project with Pyongyang providing jobs for 53,000 North Koreans.

The broadcasts will restart on Friday, South Korea's presidential office says, calling the North's bomb test a "grave violation" of an agreement in August between the two Koreas, which had aimed to ease mutual tension. At that time, the two traded artillery fire after Pyongyang had demanded a halt to the broadcasts.

"Our military is at a state of full readiness, and if North Korea wages provocation, there will be firm punishment," senior presidential national security official, Cho Tae-yong, said in the latest statement.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby SSridhar » 07 Jan 2016 15:36

South Korea seeks US strategic weapons after North's nuclear test - Reuters
South Korea is in talks with the United States to deploy US strategic assets on the Korean peninsula, a South Korean military official said on Thursday, a day after North Korea said it successfully tested a hydrogen nuclear device.

The United States and weapons experts voiced doubts the device was as advanced as North Korea claimed, but calls mounted for more sanctions against the isolated state for its rogue nuclear program.

The underground explosion angered China, which was not given prior notice :lol: although it is North Korea's main ally, pointing to a strain in ties between the neighbors. The test also alarmed Japan and the White House said Prime Minister Shinzo Abe agreed with US President Barack Obama in a telephone call that a firm global response was needed.

Obama also spoke to President Park Geun-hye of South Korea to discuss options.

A South Korean military official told Reuters the two countries had discussed the deployment of US strategic assets on the divided Korean peninsula, but declined to give further details. After North Korea last tested a nuclear device, in 2013, Washington sent a pair of nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers on a sortie over South Korea in a show of force.

At the time, North Korea responded by threatening a nuclear strike on the United States.

South Korea, technically in a state of war against the North, said it was not considering a nuclear deterrent of its own, despite calls from ruling party leaders. The United States is highly unlikely to restore the tactical nuclear missiles it removed from South Korea in 1991, experts said.

The United States is also limited in its military response for fear of provoking an unpredictable regime in Pyongyang, said Anthony Cordesman, a defense policy expert at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank.

"Any escalation in this region, any over-reaction can easily lead to not only a conflict between South and North Korea, but drag China and the United States and Japan into a confrontation," as well, Cordesman said.

The US State Department confirmed North Korea had conducted a nuclear test but the Obama administration disputed the hydrogen bomb claim.


"The initial analysis is not consistent with the claim the regime has made of a successful hydrogen bomb test," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

Wednesday's nuclear test took place two days ahead of what is believed to be North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's birthday.

North Korea called the device the "H-bomb of justice", but its state news agency also said Pyongyang would act as a responsible nuclear state and would not use its nuclear weapons unless its sovereignty was infringed.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2016 11:26

North Korea releases video of 'new' submarine-launched missile test - AFP
North Korea on Saturday released video footage of a purportedly new submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) test, three days after it claimed it had successfully tested its first hydrogen bomb.

But South Korean media suggested the footage broadcast by state Korean Central TV was an edited compilation of the North's third SLBM test, conducted last month in the Sea of Japan, and a different ballistic missile test from 2014.

The undated footage shows leader Kim Jong-Un, on board a military vessel in a winter coat and a fedora hat, looking on as a missile is launched vertically from underwater and ignites in mid air.

The video then cuts to a rocket flying through the clouds, suggesting the missile was able to reach such altitudes.

But South Korean media said the images of a rocket rising through the clouds was in fact taken from footage of a SCUD missile test broadcast in 2014.

North Korea first announced in May that it had conducted a successful SLBM test, a claim accompanied by pictures of Kim pointing at the missile as it blasted out of the water at a 45-degree angle.

A second SLBM test was carried out off the southeastern port of Wonsan in November but this was apparently a failure as only debris from its casing was seen in the sea and no traces of the flight were detected.

South Korean military officials say the North is continuing to actively pursue the development of SLBMs, which would take its nuclear threat to a new level.


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Satya_anveshi » 10 Jan 2016 11:24

Recommended read in full:
Does North Korea Need Nukes to Deter US Aggression? -by Mike Whitney on Counterpunch.org - Jan 08, 2016

Question 1– How many governments has the United States overthrown or tried to overthrow since the Second World War?

Answer: 57 (See William Blum.)

Question 2– How many of those governments had nuclear weapons?

Answer— 0

Does that mean North Korea needs nuclear weapons to deter US aggression?

Yes and no. Yes, nuclear weapons are a credible deterrent but, no, that’s not why North Korea set off a hydrogen bomb last Tuesday. The reason North Korea detonated the bomb was to force the Obama administration to sit up and take notice. That’s what this is all about. North Korea’s supreme leader, Kim Jong Un, wants the US to realize that they’re going to pay a heavy price for avoiding direct negotiations. In other words, Kim is trying to pressure Obama back to the bargaining table.

Unfortunately, Washington isn’t listening. They see the North as a threat to regional security and have decided that additional sanctions and isolation are the best remedies. The Obama administration thinks they have the whole matter under control and don’t need to be flexible or compromise which is why they are opting for sticks over carrots. In fact, Obama has refused to conduct any bilateral talks with the North unless the North agrees beforehand to abandon its nuclear weapons programs altogether and allow weapons inspectors to examine all their nuclear facilities. This is a non-starter for the DPRK. They see their nuclear weapons program as their “ace in the hole”, their only chance to end persistent US hostility.

Now if we separate the “hydrogen bomb” incident from the longer historic narrative dating back to the Korean War, it’s possible to twist the facts in a way that makes the North look like the “bad guy”, but that’s simply not the case. In fact, the reason the world is facing these problems today is because of US adventurism in the past. Just as ISIS emerged from he embers of the Iraq War, so too, nuclear proliferation on the Korean peninsula is a direct result of failed US foreign policy in the ’50s.

US involvement in the Korean War precluded a final settlement, which means the war never really ended. An armistice agreement that was signed on July 27, 1953, ended the hostilities, but a “final peaceful settlement” was never achieved, so the nation remains divided today. The reason that matters is because the US still has 15 military bases in South Korea, 28,000 combat troops, and enough artillery and missiles to blow the entire country to smithereens. The US presence in South Korea effectively prevents the reunification of the country and a final conclusion to the war unless it is entirely on Washington’s terms. Bottom line: Even though the cannons have stopped firing, the war drags on, thanks in large part to the ongoing US occupation.

So how can the North normalize relations with the US if Washington won’t talk to them and, at the same time, insists that the North abandon the weapons program that is their only source of leverage? Maybe they should do an about-face, meet Washington’s demands, and hope that by extending the olive branch relations will gradually improve. But how can that possibly work, after all, Washington wants regime change so it can install a US puppet that will help create another capitalist dystopia for its corporate friends. Isn’t that the way US interventions usually turn out? That’s not compromise, it’s suicide.

And there’s another thing too: The leadership in Pyongyang knows who they’re dealing with which is why they’ve taken the hardline. They know the US doesn’t respond to weakness, only strength. That’s why they can’t cave in on the nukes project. It’s their only hope. Either the US stands down and makes concessions or the stalemate continues. Those are the only two possible outcomes.

It’s worth noting, that before Syria, Libya, Iraq, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Vietnam and the long catalogue of US bloodbaths across the decades, there was the Korean War. Americans have swept it under the rug, but every Korean, North and South, knows what happened and how it ended. Here’s a short refresher that explains why the North is still wary of the US 63 years after the armistice was signed. The excerpt is from an article titled “Americans have forgotten what we did to North Korea”, at Vox World:

“In the early 1950s, during the Korean War, the US dropped more bombs on North Korea than it had dropped in the entire Pacific theater during World War II. This carpet bombing, which included 32,000 tons of napalm, often deliberately targeted civilian as well as military targets, devastating the country far beyond what was necessary to fight the war. Whole cities were destroyed, with many thousands of innocent civilians killed and many more left homeless and hungry….

According to US journalist Blaine Harden…

“Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,” Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed “everything that moved in North Korea, every brick standing on top of another.” After running low on urban targets, U.S. bombers destroyed hydroelectric and irrigation dams in the later stages of the war, flooding farmland and destroying crops……

You can glimpse both the humanitarian and political consequences in an alarmed diplomatic cable that North Korea’s foreign minister sent to the United Nations… in January 1951:

“On January 3 at 10:30 AM an armada of 82 flying fortresses loosed their death-dealing load on the city of Pyongyang …Hundreds of tons of bombs and incendiary compound were simultaneously dropped throughout the city, causing annihilating fires, the transatlantic barbarians bombed the city with delayed-action high-explosive bombs which exploded at intervals for a whole day making it impossible for the people to come out onto the streets. The entire city has now been burning, enveloped in flames, for two days. By the second day, 7,812 civilians houses had been burnt down. The Americans were well aware that there were no military targets left in Pyongyang….

The number of inhabitants of Pyongyang killed by bomb splinters, burnt alive and suffocated by smoke is incalculable…Some 50,000 inhabitants remain in the city which before the war had a population of 500,000.”

(“Americans have forgotten what we did to North Korea“, Vox World)

Get the picture? When it became clear that the US was not going to win the war, they decided to teach “those rotten Commies” a lesson they’d never forget. They reduced the entire North to smoldering rubble condemning the people to decades of starvation and poverty. That’s how Washington fights its wars: “Kill ’em all and let God sort it out.”

This is why the North is building nukes instead making concessions; it’s because Washington is bent on either victory or annihilation.

So what does North Korea want from the United States?

The North wants what it’s always wanted. It wants the US to stop its regime change operations, honor its obligations under the 1994 Agreed Framework, and sign a non aggression pact. That’s all they want, an end to the constant hectoring, lecturing and interference. Is that too much to ask? Here’s how Jimmy Carter summed it up in a Washington Post op-ed (November 24, 2010):

“Pyongyang has sent a consistent message that during direct talks with the United States, it is ready to conclude an agreement to end its nuclear programs, put them all under IAEA inspection and conclude a permanent peace treaty to replace the ‘temporary’ cease-fire of 1953. We should consider responding to this offer. The unfortunate alternative is for North Koreans to take whatever actions they consider necessary to defend themselves from what they claim to fear most: a military attack supported by the United States, along with efforts to change the political regime.” (“North Korea’s consistent message to the U.S.”, President Jimmy Carter, Washington Post)

There it is in black and white. The US can end the conflict today by just meeting its obligations under the terms of the Agreed Framework and by agreeing that it will not attack North Korea in the future. The path to nuclear disarmament has never been easier, but the chances of Obama taking that road are slim at best.


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2016 11:29

BS article. NoKo is an evil regime that should be brought down. Agni V range is to get them in case TSP goes beserk.

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Re: India-South Korea: News and Analysis

Postby Karan Dixit » 11 Jan 2016 00:23

sum wrote:^^ One ( currently) South Korean reporting in this dhaaga!

So far what i found here is that the Indians do have a pretty good impression among the aam-aadmi here though most of the local search engines etc will spit out only negative news about Desh as their first hits ( guess our DDM is to blame for that)


Well, we certainly can apportion some blame to DDM but that is not all. The algorithms of western search engines are designed to spit out negative stories when you enter search strings such as India. There is a reason why China went to a great length to build its own search engine. There is a lesson for India in it.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Karan Dixit » 11 Jan 2016 00:35

ramana wrote:BS article. NoKo is an evil regime that should be brought down. Agni V range is to get them in case TSP goes beserk.


N Korea is a powerful country. I do not think it is wise for India to pick fights for no reason with countries that have big military like N Korea. Look at Pakistan; it engaged with N Korea and benefited from that engagement. May be if India too had engaged with N Korea, it could have dissuaded N Korea from supplying missile and nuclear technology to Pakistan. The unfortunate reality of this world is that evil regimes are dime a dozen. We (India) though have to be selective about which evil regime we want to take on.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby TSJones » 11 Jan 2016 01:05

Karan Dixit wrote:
ramana wrote:BS article. NoKo is an evil regime that should be brought down. Agni V range is to get them in case TSP goes beserk.


N Korea is a powerful country. I do not think it is wise for India to pick fights for no reason with countries that have big military like N Korea. Look at Pakistan; it engaged with N Korea and benefited from that engagement. May be if India too had engaged with N Korea, it could have dissuaded N Korea from supplying missile and nuclear technology to Pakistan. The unfortunate reality of this world is that evil regimes are dime a dozen. We (India) though have to be selective about which evil regime we want to take on.


while it is wise not pick fights, let me be clear:

India could mop the floor and then throw the filthy rinse water out the back door of NoKo if it wanted to do so. I mean clean house, so to speak.

NoKo couldn't fight a decent enemy if its life depended on it.

The only reason NoKo exists is because of China. They couldn't resist a war weary, (a fight that NoKo picked BTW) unprepared US military until the Chinese crossed the Yalu river.

That is a fact,

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Jan 2016 02:44

TSJones wrote:The only reason NoKo exists is because of China. They couldn't resist a war weary, (a fight that NoKo picked BTW) unprepared US military until the Chinese crossed the Yalu river.
That is a fact,

It is a fact that China is today so powerful because US provided it with opportunities that it did not have. This was done to bring down Russia. Otherwise before Nixon's visit China was a third rate power, militarily as well as economically. Today it is going to challenge the US and threaten all of its neighbors. India has no reason to fight NoKo. Not our war. So, solly.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ashish raval » 11 Jan 2016 03:56

Noko has powerful army. Intact every individual goes through military training like Israel.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Karan Dixit » 11 Jan 2016 04:03

ashish raval wrote:Noko has powerful army. Intact every individual goes through military training like Israel.


Even a super power like U.S. hesitates picking fight with N Korea.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 13 Jan 2016 05:45

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Shreeman wrote: A smarter indian governmand would have befriended, propped and weaned noko of the quranic djinn technology. But furrin policy is not indian forte.


The only quranic djinn technology in NoKo is suryeong's juche, which means eternal Kim family rule over NoKo and isolation from the rest of the world to the point of suffocation.

There's very little that India or anyone else can do to wean NoKo of that. NoKo is almost entirely dependent on China for just about everything- Fuel, electricity, food, remittance money, tourism. Japan and South Korea have tried to wean NoKo away from this ideology through generous aid and it has come a cropper.

India has done it's bit with food supplies, some trade (especially rare earths and mining) and some exchange programmes, but that's as much as we can do. All China needs to do is slow down cross border trade, send back NoKo workers and stymie fuel supplies and NoKo will be on its knees in no time.

NoKo leadership gives a rats arse about its people, they are expendable commodity. Yet, NoKo populace is a potent weapon for Kim since they represent potentially 26 million starving fleeing refugees that will simply overwhelm SoKo, Chinese border districts and even Japan, should the Kim regime fall. None of these countries want that.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Satya_anveshi » 13 Jan 2016 20:52

ramana wrote:BS article. NoKo is an evil regime that should be brought down. Agni V range is to get them in case TSP goes beserk.


Why do you think it is an evil regime from an Indian perspective?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Vayutuvan » 13 Jan 2016 23:25

Satya_anveshi: They have given missile tech. to Pakis, didn't they?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Jan 2016 02:47

North's closeness with China is known and is understandable as they are neighbors.

North's closeness to Pukistan is due to their continued relationship from 70s and of course China is ready conduit to facilitate it.

We also know they fished in troubled waters of Sri Lanka during the country's insurgency at the behest of China.

They are an isolated nation that is being taken advantage of by China and Pukistan.

We are simply playing the game of western nations but bearing most of the brunt. Yes, once in a while Kim Jr goes with this anti-US rhetoric but we are paying real cost via Pak's misadventure.

China is eating the cake and having it too in that they got Pak as their beech to bug us even as they kept Noko to themselves firmly and we are unable to manage to create an entry for us.

Just regime change alone does not change this reality. We need to devise a better solution to this problem and relationship with NoKo.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby KrishnaK » 14 Jan 2016 04:35

g.sarkar wrote:
TSJones wrote:The only reason NoKo exists is because of China. They couldn't resist a war weary, (a fight that NoKo picked BTW) unprepared US military until the Chinese crossed the Yalu river.
That is a fact,

It is a fact that China is today so powerful because US provided it with opportunities that it did not have. This was done to bring down Russia. Otherwise before Nixon's visit China was a third rate power, militarily as well as economically.
The PRC fought the US pretty well in the Korean War. So well that MacArthur (?) threatened to nuke them.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 14 Jan 2016 04:59

KrishnaK wrote: The PRC fought the US pretty well in the Korean War. So well that MacArthur (?) threatened to nuke them.


That's true and it was achieved in large part due to Korean People's Volunteer Army (largely made up of Nationalist POWs) that swarmed the UN positions like ants. What they lacked in technology and weapons (despite Soviet support with tanks, guns and fighters), they made up with sheer numbers.

Off topic, but interestingly, the Korean War ended in a stalemate with the opposite armies entrenched in roughly the same region around Kaesong where the Japanese and Ming Chinese armies had fought to a stalemate over 450 years ago!!

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Postby A_Gupta » 19 Jan 2016 18:54

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/ ... 74171.html
State Bank of India opens first branch in Seoul, South Korea

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Postby TSJones » 19 Jan 2016 19:38

KrishnaK wrote:The PRC fought the US pretty well in the Korean War. So well that MacArthur (?) threatened to nuke them.


MacArthur had no authorization to nuke anybody. He got fired for exceeding his authority.

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Postby TSJones » 19 Jan 2016 19:52

there were three battles for Seoul, South Korea:

the first battle was when NoKo invaded an d captured Seoul:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Seoul

the second battle of Seoul was when UN forces took Seoul back from the NoKos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Seoul

as UN/US forces approached the Yalu river, China entered the war and re-took Seoul. which led to the........

third battle of Seoul in which UN/US forces retook again Seoul from the Chinese and kept it.......so far...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Seoul

and turned it into one of the Asian "Economic Tigers"......

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Postby Kashi » 20 Jan 2016 04:43

^^ In my opinion, a big mistake that the UN forces made was not digging in and making a stand on the southern bank of the Taedong river in Pyeongyang. They could have taken out the bridges and held off Chinese conscripted PoW army on the other shore and bogged them down in a battle of attrition. Something similar happened eventually around Kaesong/Paju region.

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Postby disha » 20 Jan 2016 05:39

The BK article which Ramana Saar quoted has several issues. It could be that Bakis via NoKo got its hand on the Dharmo-maal., but again it is not easy. Looking at the way bakistan is behaving - they have not got anything remotely related to Dharmo-maal. Their fissions are duds and Dharmo-maal is a very very very huge step further away.

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Postby A_Gupta » 20 Jan 2016 17:14

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/s-k ... 47147.html
S Korean academic pleads not guilty to defaming `comfort women`

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Postby Shreeman » 01 Feb 2016 06:12

Meanwhile, in the better korea...

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Postby member_29325 » 01 Feb 2016 06:20

What is this with all the kids and adults weeping when the il one is nearby -- must be sheer terror or wot? The Noko regime of course claims it is tears of joy.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 01 Feb 2016 07:03

A_Gupta wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/s-korean-academic-pleads-not-guilty-to-defaming-comfort-women_1847147.html
S Korean academic pleads not guilty to defaming `comfort women`


Publicly taking a stance that maybe viewed as sympathetic/favourable to Japan is an anathema in SoKo, much like that poor Pakjabi Virat Kohli fan who was arrested for flying the tricolour on the roof of his house.

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Postby vijaykarthik » 09 Feb 2016 15:46

KJU / NK did a n test and a missile test. Grapevine says that he might try another n test (SK media reports)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 10 Feb 2016 04:46

vijaykarthik wrote:KJU / NK did a n test and a missile test. Grapevine says that he might try another n test (SK media reports)


Baby bear wants some more baksheesh.

Interestingly, following these tests, there are reports of THAAD being deployed in SoKo, something that China is quite concerned about.

To put on my conspiracy theory hat, maybe Baby bear was egged on to go for the nuke test to enable THAAD deployment in SoKo with an eye on both China and Russia.

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Postby vijaykarthik » 10 Feb 2016 10:53

I ve been thinking on the same lines the last few days too. Its most curious that US started the news flow only recently.

But its also a fact that NK isn't someone to toe the line of US. So, its possible that
a. NK was doing a bit of these in the background... but US thought it was a ripe time to get some action / media activity in N/SE Asia and ended up publicising a lot about NK activating the missile launch sites, erectors etc. There was a bit of news from SK media off and on about the restarting of the NK Thorium reactor [in Yongbyon?]

b. US decided to up the ante vis-a-vis China for all the SE Asia misadventure and try to put a wedge through the increasingly difficult rein between China and NK [it could however be KJU's option to put a wedge in the rein between US and China too, however it begs the qn as to why now.]

Interestingly, in the background, US is also having a few sailthroughs past the rocks, man made islands and such. And also having exercises with Thailand, SK, perhaps Vietnam too. Surely with Japan.

It is possibly for selling THAAD, sending a signal to China [china did send out stern responses but I find the responses a bit too strange too], perhaps Russia too and also try and increase US influence there [reintegration of Korea?]

The next few weeks should be interesting. but we can rest assured that action through UN will be next to NIL as we have 2 permanent members who will veto any serious action against NK

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Postby Prem » 11 Feb 2016 03:39

We have power over China : Trump


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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Apr 2016 06:30

What North Korea has today, Pakistan will have tomorrow.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/nor ... 74140.html
North Korea says successfully tested ICBM engine
Seoul: North Korea said Saturday it had successfully tested an engine designed for an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) that would "guarantee" an eventual nuclear strike on the US mainland.

It was the latest in a series of claims by Pyongyang of significant breakthroughs in both its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes.

Outside experts have treated a number of the claims with scepticism, suggesting the North Korean leadership is attempting to talk up its achievements ahead of a showcase ruling party congress next month.

According to the North`s official KCNA news agency, the ground engine test was ordered and personally monitored by leader Kim Jong-Un.

As soon as Kim flagged off the test, "the engine spewed out huge flames with deafening boom", KCNA said."The great success... provided a firm guarantee for mounting another form of nuclear attack upon the US imperialists and other hostile forces," Kim was quoted as saying.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 25 Apr 2016 16:20

The next test of the North Korean ballistic missile submarine launch

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1868370.html

Explanations about the launch gave the representative of the Joint Committee of the Republic of Korea Armed Forces Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS of the Armed Forces), who asked not to be named. He said that the launch was carried out today in Seoul on 18-30 times (12-30 in Moscow - comment of the "RG.") In the waters of the East (Japan) Sea city Sinpo area in South Hamgyong Province. Launch area is located to the north-east of the city, which is known to have a large base of the DPRK submarine boats. "According to our data, was launched ballistic submarine missile that flew 30 kilometers," - said the officer.

Among other details: the rocket flew several minutes, were used technology "cold start". Running it is likely that it is a sub-class "Sinpo" with a displacement of 2,000 tons, and not submerged barge. If this information is confirmed, it is also a significant step forward for North Korea's missile.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 25 Apr 2016 16:24

^^ Goddamn.....now the TSP-ians will be sporting one in a years time as their answer for the K-15/K-4

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby member_23370 » 25 Apr 2016 20:54

BS Noko itself won't have anything ready till 2020. But its time India made sure PN plans for sub launched missiles are scuttled by hook or by crook.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 26 Apr 2016 00:16

The NoKo missile looks like based on Polaris sub launched IRBM from US navy.
Similar shape and the rocket exhaust looks like solid fuel. Looks like lot of carbon in the igniter fuel from the dark smoke early on.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 23 Jun 2016 18:27

North Korea test-fired missiles Musudan

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1976526.html

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