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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby habal » 23 Jun 2016 18:37

bachcha khush ho gaya chalo !

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Postby A_Gupta » 15 Aug 2016 17:42

Shared vision of India, Korea offers many possibilities for cooperation: Prez
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 596_1.html

President Pranab Mukherjee on Sunday said the shared vision of India and Korea offers many possibilities for cooperation in the framework of our Special Strategic Partnership.

Extending greetings to his Korean counterpart Park Geun-hye and the people of the country, President Mykherjee said, "We have converging interests in promoting peace, prosperity and development in our respective regions and the world. This shared vision offers many possibilities for cooperation in the framework of our Special Strategic Partnership."

"I extend warm greetings and felicitations to you and to the Government and people of the Republic of Korea on the occasion of your National Day," he added.

Korea will celebrate its national liberation day from Imperial Japanese colonial rule by the United States and the Soviet Union on Aug 15.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 08 Sep 2016 21:07

Recently in month of August 2016, NoKo fired a few submarine launched missiles into Sea of Japan.
These missiles look like clones of the US Polaris missiles.
The missile tests violate UN sanctions on NoKo and intimidate Japan, South Korea.
Further looking ahead based on past NoKo and TSP cooperation on nukes and land based missiles it could potentially mean further transfer for SLBMs to TSP from NoKo.
During Obama Administration NoKo has been quite impudent in its nuke and missile development programs.
In the recent G-20 and Laos ASEAN meetings, hardly any repercussions on NoKo.
China and NoKo coal trade comprises of 30% of NoKo economy but no pressure from US to slow that trade down.

I am beginning to wonder if US is serious about NoKo or does it think its a useful rogue to make its nook nood allies(Japan and SoKo) closer? And provide tacit approval for TSP to acquire SLBMs?

Can some one pen an article exploring all these ideas?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Amber G. » 09 Sep 2016 07:05

A 5.3 earthquake reported. Looks like another nuclear test from NK.
NYT article : http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/world ... -test.html

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 10 Sep 2016 05:06

I posted the above in morning and evening news came of NoKo test.
Looks like Obama pivot to Asia is dead.
This could be the warhead for the submarine launched missile?
What if it gets transfered back to TSP to arm a new weapon system.
US will wring their hands about UN sanctions and laugh behind our backs as
G2 checkmate while continuing trade links with China.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby tandav » 10 Sep 2016 11:49

This is very simply China testing its Nuclear Weapons and Delivery systems via its proxies NK and Pakistan.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby deejay » 10 Sep 2016 13:24

tandav wrote:This is very simply China testing its Nuclear Weapons and Delivery systems via its proxies NK and Pakistan.


NoKo and Pakistan are more than proxies for China. They are the buffer for China to experiment on limits of tolerance in the nations being affected. Every act of NoKo or Pakistan (at least since 9/11 for Pakis) is detrimental to the neighbours and other powers (namely US). Every time, they get away with their act, it reassures China on the extent to which it can proceed without attracting a military backlash.

These 02 countries are also relatively smaller than China. China knows that if the world did not react to them (primarily because China is backing them), the world will show greater patience if China itself does it.

Finally NoKo is a small buffer state in the SE of China and Pakistan is a larger buffer state on the west of China. Even if the world reacts to stop China in its ways, all the damages will be suffered by these 02 states and not China. For Eg: - Economic sanctions are on NoKo and China suffers no harm while NoKo continues to rile Japan, SoKo and US, the same countries China is up against.

I expect Pakistan to increasingly play this role more openly.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby srin » 10 Sep 2016 18:18

NoKo is not a complete Chinese puppet. The dear leader looks to be a complete loose cannon (pun intended) and nobody knows what he'll do next. Even the Chinese should be really worried.

As far as we're concerned, our self-interest is that the SLBMs and nukes of NoKo shouldn't get transferred to the neighbourhood. So, if that means we bomb them, we should. If that means we establish full diplomatic ties with them, we should. Very very important that we shut up on morality and practice real politik.

But then there is the schadenfreude side of me that relishes the slap that Japanese are getting from NoKos ... they were the ones who reacted the most angrily to our Pokhran-2 and here they are now, completely nanga and reduced to issuing condemnations and threats to shoot down missiles. They will *have* to develop nukes (NPT be damned) sooner or later.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby deejay » 10 Sep 2016 19:11

srin wrote:NoKo is not a complete Chinese puppet. The dear leader looks to be a complete loose cannon (pun intended) and nobody knows what he'll do next. Even the Chinese should be really worried.
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It doesn't matter if it is a puppet or not. It does stretch the elastic limit of the opposing side. The frontiers of tolerance is decided every time they push it further. 5.3 on Richter scale and no earthquake like reaction. NoKo knows it is safe. China knows, if NoKo is okay than China is more than OK. "Build the next island boys."

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 10 Sep 2016 19:58

srin wrote:NoKo is not a complete Chinese puppet. The dear leader looks to be a complete loose cannon (pun intended) and nobody knows what he'll do next. Even the Chinese should be really worried.


NoKo wouldn't survive a day without Chinese supplies flowing across Tumen.

All these reports of Chinese being upset at NoKo not listening to them are pure hogwash. It's a feint to allow the Chinese to shrug their shoulders and claim that NoKo doesn't listen to them all the time and that harsher Chinese sanctions will be counter-productive.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby rsingh » 10 Sep 2016 20:02

^^US,Russia and Japan know this. I am sure they are not dumb. But what is their game plan? May be they think that they can turn the dictator against China one day.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 11 Sep 2016 04:45

rsingh wrote:^^US,Russia and Japan know this. I am sure they are not dumb. But what is their game plan? May be they think that they can turn the dictator against China one day.


They all have different uses for NoKo
SoKo can keep US forces on the peninsula for their protection, worry less about re-unification and the accompanying financial costs.
Japan can embark on "re-arming" spree that is amend Article 9 of their constitution to allow self-defence forces to be pro-active. NoKo provides a legitimate excuse for them to be armed and prepared when the time comes, vis-a-vis China.
US is US. They need an unstable NoKo to have a reason to stay in the region and shore up their presence- the proposal to deploy THAAD in SoKo is one recent example. The build up is actually aimed at China.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Sep 2016 21:46

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html
Asia & Pacific
AP Analysis: N. Korea seeks leverage by playing nuke card
TOKYO — Mark up another first for North Korea — two nuclear tests in one year. And that’s not all. With leader Kim Jong Un smiling broadly all the while, bigger and better ballistic missiles have been flying off the North’s shores, and now even from under its waters, at breakneck pace.
Alarming? Certainly. Surprising? Hardly.
With few other options, or allies to rally behind it, this is how Pyongyang likes to play its cards in the power game that is northeast Asian politics. The question is whether it can play them well enough to get what its ruling regime really wants: international recognition, security guarantees and, at the most fundamental level, its own continued survival.
This is shaping up to be the busiest year ever for North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs. It rang in 2016 with what it said was its first H-bomb test and has been shooting off various kinds of long-range missiles — including one from a submarine — more frequently than normal. It conducted its second nuclear test of the year Friday, this time to indicate it can arm those ballistic missiles it’s been testing with nuclear-tipped warheads.
While most of the world has singled Pyongyang’s nuclear program out as a dangerous source of instability on the peninsula, North Korea has consistently said it needs a nuclear deterrent to what it believes is a very real threat from the United States. The two countries are, after all, still technically at war. The 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice, not a peace treaty.
Right after announcing its test, the North’s state-run Korean Central News Agency once again made that argument.
“The U.S. desperate moves for unilaterally putting sanctions and stifling the DPRK are a hideous crime against humanity aimed at subversion of the social system of a sovereign country,” the report said, using the acronym for North Korea’s official name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
“The U.S. should never underestimate the tremendous mental power and inexhaustible might of the DPRK,” it added. “The U.S. will be made to clearly see how the DPRK rises imposingly out of chains of sanctions, blockade and pressure.”
That’s been Pyongyang’s position for decades. And it hasn’t gotten a lot of traction......
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But each improvement demonstrated to the world brings the North that much closer to becoming a de facto nuclear power. Pyongyang could conceivably use that in the future to get itself into a better negotiating position in talks with Washington. Or, at some point, Washington and its allies might give up and grudgingly accept the country into the nuclear club.
It’s hard to imagine in North Korea’s case, but it worked for India and Pakistan......
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http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/pak ... 26237.html
Pakistan selling nuclear materials to North Korea – CIA's explosive revelation; US informs India
New Delhi: America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has apprised India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) that Pakistan is supplying nuclear material to North Korea.
According to reports, Pakistan has been sending nuclear materials to North Korea through sea route.
Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) supplied Monel and Enconel (nuclear substances) to Pyongyang in clear violation of United Nations sanctions.
Notably, Islamabad was supplied such materials by Chinese company named Beijing Suntech Technology Company Limited. The supplies of the Chinese company to Pakistan were being diverted to North Korea by the Pakistani authorities through cargo ship, it claimed.
Despite being involved in illegal sale of nuclear substances, Pakistan is urging the international community to accept its membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), according to highly placed US sources who are involved with the tracking of nuclear commerce.....
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Feb 2017 22:39

Korean traffic rearranging itself after an accident in a tunnel.
Very impressive.
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 4050811904

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Postby A_Gupta » 18 Feb 2017 21:12

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 223508.cms
BEIJING: China will suspend all imports of coal from North Korea for the rest of the year, Beijing said Saturday, depriving Pyongyang of a crucial source of foreign exchange following its latest missile test.

"(China) will temporarily stop its imports of coal from North Korea for the rest of this year (including coal for which customs applications have been made but not yet processed)," the commerce ministry said in a statement posted on its website.

The suspension, which implements existing UN sanctions, will start on 19th February and remain in force until the end of the year, it added

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Feb 2017 22:28

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/opinion ... 24531.html
India's market has also become critical for Korea's economic growth. This is because international circumstances are compelling Korea to go with India. Korea's economic relations with its three major partners _ the U.S., China and Japan _ are declining now. Korea-U.S. economic relations, which have been declining steadily over the past two decades due to American protectionism, are expected to face a much tougher time after Donald Trump's inauguration.
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So what other options does Korea have in this region: it is to develop closer economic relations with India and smaller Southeast Asian economies. Even Korean policy makers, businessmen and scholars came to realize this fact. For instance, Korea's Trade Minister Joo Hyung-hwan said last year, "Fostering close economic ties with India is the top priority for Korea."
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For example, according to our survey ]research, there are more than 4,500 small and medium-sized Korean companies which want to enter India's market this year. However, they are holding back due to various problems. They are looking for someone who can be a good facilitator.

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Postby g.sarkar » 26 Feb 2017 08:17

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201702 ... ndle-dprk/
China to Trump: North Korean Nuclear Program is Your Problem © REUTERS/ KCNA
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang responded to Trump, telling a news briefing, "We have said many times already that the crux of the North Korean nuclear issue is the problem between the United States and North Korea…We hope the relevant parties can shoulder their responsibilities, play the role the should, and together with China play a constructive role for peace and stability on the Korean peninsula and for its denuclearization." On Friday China dismissed pressure from US President Donald Trump to reconsider its relationship with North Korea, suggesting that Washington must hash out its own issues with Pyongyang.
In a Thursday interview, Trump expressed concern over North Korea’s continued development of ballistic missiles and the militarization of Beijing’s territories in the South China Sea. "I know exactly what's going on between China and North Korea and everybody else," he said, "I'm not liking it."
China Hopes to Work With US, North Korea on Peace on Korean Peninsula - Foreign Ministry
Claiming that Beijing could intervene in North Korea, "very easily if they want to," Trump said he wants China to influence Pyongyang, to rein in its military activities, especially those involving nuclear weapons.
Beijing has publicly called for Pyongyang’s denuclearization in the past, and has urged the increasingly isolated nation to return to the bargaining table, to ensure global security.
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Postby Austin » 24 Mar 2017 22:28

Russia's Love Affair With North Korea The Diplomat

The logic behind Moscow’s economic outreach to Pyongyang.
By Samuel Ramani
February 13, 2017

On February 3, 2017, North Koream leader Kim Jong-un sent out Lunar New Year greeting cards to numerous world leaders, highlighting the DPRK’s array of international allies. Even though China has been frequently described as North Korea’s leading international ally, Pyongyang’s state-controlled news agency, KCNA, listed Russia at the top of the list of countries friendly toward the DPRK, relegating China to second place.

Kim’s placement of Russia at the top of North Korea’s symbolic hierarchy of allies for the third consecutive year is a considerable break from Kim Jong-Il’s public emphasis on the DPRK’s alliances with China and Cuba. Pyongyang’s symbolic show of solidarity with the Kremlin has also been accompanied by a string of economic deals with Russia.

The expansion of Russian investment in the North Korean economy has entrenched Moscow’s role as a guarantor (along with China) of the Kim regime’s survival. Although Russia’s ability to benefit economically from closer links with North Korea is limited, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s willingness to deepen its alliance with Pyongyang highlights Moscow’s desire to expand its role as a stakeholder in the preservation of long-term peace in the Korean peninsula.

Russia’s Recent Expansion of Economic Assistance to North Korea


Even though Russian policymakers have consistently supported sanctions against North Korea for its nuclear weapons buildup and publicly criticized the DPRK regime’s belligerent foreign policy, the Kremlin has played a critical role in ameliorating North Korea’s economic isolation. The contrast between Kremlin rhetoric and policy towards North Korea has been most stark in the spheres of infrastructure and energy.

On January 31, Russia’s state news agency, TASS, reported that Russia Railways representatives visited North Korea to discuss an expansion of railway links between the two countries. The Russian delegation’s trip proved fruitful, as both parties agreed to expand training opportunities for North Korean engineers at Russian universities.

Increasing the exposure of North Korean workers to Russian technical expertise will allow more North Koreans to staff the Rajin-Hasan railway, which links Russia to the Korean peninsula. Even though South Korea withdrew itself from the Rajin-Hasan railway project in March 2016, Moscow’s willingness to continue the project’s development highlights the strength of its relationship with the North Korean regime, during a period of unprecedented isolation for Pyongyang.

As China’s oil supplies to North Korea have been periodically disrupted due to tensions between Beijing and Pyongyang, Moscow’s importance as an investor in the DPRK’s energy sector has increased markedly. Siberian oil companies have sold fuel to North Korea via a supply route linking Vladivostok to Rajin. These fuel supplies have provided the North Korean regime with vital hard currency, as the DPRK has processed Siberian oil in chemical plants and resold it to Chinese consumers.

Kim has responded to Russia’s consistency as a North Korean economic ally by publicly hailing the DPRK’s partnership with Moscow and increasing its shipments of guest workers to construction projects in Siberia. The presence of 10,000 North Koreans in Russia and the DPRK’s convenience as a source of cheap labor for Putin’s attempts to modernize Vladivostok suggests that Moscow is unlikely to match its critical rhetoric on North Korea’s nuclear buildup with retaliatory actions for the foreseeable future.

Russia’s Growing Importance as a Stakeholder in the Korean Peninsula


Even though Russia participated in the Six Party Talks on North Korean nuclear disarmament from 2003-2007, many Western analysts have argued that Russia’s influence over the security situation in the Korean peninsula is relatively limited. Despite these assumptions, there are two reasons why Russia could become a more influential stakeholder in the Korean peninsula in the short to medium term.

First, some Russian analysts believe that the likely defeat of the right-wing Saenuri Party in South Korea’s upcoming presidential elections will result in an improvement of relations between Moscow and Seoul. Many left-leaning South Korean politicians have supported a more independent foreign policy course and have criticized Washington’s proposed deployment of the THAAD missile defense system to South Korea. These sentiments provide an opening for fruitful Russian diplomacy, especially if the new South Korean president adopts a more dovish foreign policy stance toward Pyongyang.

An improvement in Russia’s relationship with South Korea could increase its influence over the security situation on the Korean peninsula, because Russia would be able to uniquely position itself as a strategic partner of both Pyongyang and Seoul. Once a relationship based on trust and interdependent interests is forged, Putin will hope to strike a deal with Seoul on managing North Korea’s conduct.

Russian policymakers believe that if Moscow can demonstrate its ability to rein in North Korea’s belligerence by diplomatically engaging with Pyongyang, South Korea will rejoin the Rajin-Hasan railway project. This scenario is much more likely to come to fruition after a change of government in South Korea, so the Kremlin views the turmoil resulting from President Park Geun-hye’s impeachment with cautious optimism.

Second, Russia is the only great power (aside from China) which has direct leverage over the stability of the North Korean regime. Since an act of impulsive aggression by North Korea is more likely if Kim’s regime feels the need to deflect from internal weakness, Russian support for Kim’s patronage machine will reduce the risk of unilateral North Korean aggression. Even if this logic does not hold and a security crisis engulfs the Korean peninsula, Moscow can use its leverage over the DPRK to pressure Kim to defuse tensions with South Korea.

In particular, Putin can link a North Korean pledge of non-aggression on the Korean peninsula to the maintenance of Russia’s stiff border control policies As part of a treaty between Moscow and Pyongyang on the repatriation of criminals, Kremlin policymakers have mandated the deportation of all North Koreans who illegally enter Russian territory. This policy has been strictly enforced, as Russia only granted permanent asylum to two North Korean nationals from 2004-2014.

Russia’s cooperation with the DPRK on curbing asylum seekers has strengthened Kim’s hold on power by preventing a highly destabilizing outflow of refugees from North Korea to Russia. If Putin tells Kim that launching a military strike on South Korea would result in the abrogation of this border control policy, the DPRK will likely ameliorate tensions with South Korea to prevent mass defections and ensure that its guest workers in Russia continue sending back hard currency to Pyongyang.

While many analysts have assumed that Russia’s deepened alliance with North Korea is a merely a symbolic display of anti-American defiance, a closer examination of Russian conduct reveals a more far-reaching strategic agenda. If Moscow proves to be an effective mediator in the Korean peninsula, Putin will be able to entrench Russia’s position as a major powerbroker in the Asia-Pacific region for years to come.

Samuel Ramani is a DPhil candidate in International Relations at St. Antony’s College, University of Oxford, specializing in post-1991 Russian foreign policy. He is also a journalist who writes regularly for the Washington Post and Huffington Post. He can be followed on Twitter at samramani2 and on Facebook at Samuel Ramani.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 11 Apr 2017 11:46

Probably we might see some military action in North korea

South Korean Paper Reports China Has Deployed 150,000 Troops To North Korea Border
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According to Korean news agency Chosun, the "Chinese army has deployed about 150,000 troops to the North Korean border in two groups to prepare for unforeseen circumstances." The reason: the prospect of "military options", such as preemptive attacks on North Korea, like the one the United States launched on Syria.

As the United States announced its independent North Korean behavior and moved the United States Navy's nuclear-powered Calvinus (CVN-70) carrier class to Singapore, the Chinese army has deployed about 150,000 troops in two groups to prepare for unforeseen circumstances

"The report said. It is because of the prospect of taking "military options", such as preemptive attacks on North Korea, just as the United States has launched an air raid on Syria

Japan's Sankei Shimbun reported on the 9th that the Syrian missile strike in the United States shocked China, suggesting that the People's Liberation Army forces are moving toward the Yalu River,

The newspaper said the video was also broadcast on the Internet, but the authorities removed the relevant information, saying the move was a medical and aft support unit for the Shenyang bulb (the northern light bulb)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 11 Apr 2017 11:48

Mounting Tensions: Pyongyang Ready to Respond to Potential US Military Actions

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017041110 ... us-attack/
TOKYO (Sputnik) — The official said that Pyongyang was ready to defend itself by military means.

"[Sending aircraft carrier to the Korean Peninsula] proves that the US scenario of invading North Korea has reached a serious phase. If the United States dares to make a choice in favor of military action, shouting slogans of 'preventive strike' and 'destruction of the headquarters,' North Korea is ready to react at any US-desired military form," the official was quoted as saying by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 14 Apr 2017 05:57

NBC News reports US might consider striking North Korea if it detects signs of a nuke test.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-m ... ar-n746366

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 14 Apr 2017 06:05

X-Post..

rsingh wrote:yep. That was first thing I told to SHQ after hearing the news. IIRC there was no news of IS making marry in tora-bora caves.Now BR has to predict next course of action.

-Noko conducting another test Nuke test or Missile test and China showing its inability to influence the NoKo.
China will start making noise for peaceful resolution from tomorrow. It may send high level delegation to NoKo. Me think Trump gave earful to komlade XI and and message was conveyed. Tomahawk to take high level individual targets and big bomb to be used in carpet bombing (one wave ) to take out all artillery pieces that target seoul. Clearest indication will be some evacuation drill planned for Seoul. Attack has to be carried out on weekends or on some public holiday when Seoul is half empty. Biggest proof that Syrian attack was a practice drill is that all of the missiles were slightly off the target.

Following objectives were archived:
-Trump is no Russian pal.....wards off CIA,FBI investigation into reported Russian intervention.
-To assure deep state that it is still a relevant entity.
-To solve NoKo problem and Trump makes history
-To rein in China
I think US is quite sure about NoKo's Nuke stock pile. Japan is not quite sure about NoKo's Biological weapons. Any news of japan distributing hazard suit in Northern japan will be an indication of imminent US attack on NoKo. Westward wind pattern over Korean territories will be another indication of attack window. I presume It has to be before UN GA in Sept and before change in Chinese leadership (due in Sept or Oct).

Russia: I think Russia in onboard. it was decided that UK (toothless clown Boris ) will make noise at UNSC and thats it. They agreed on Syrian regime. Any unusual activity at Komchatka will be one more indicator.

India: Devol's visit to US and his strange silence on major security issues (kashmir and Chinese drama over Arunachal ) is indicator that something big has to come. Even Modi ji has taken to maun dharan.
Could anybody calculate change in US forces in South-East Asia?
More to come

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sooraj » 14 Apr 2017 19:42

China stops flights to North Korea

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby chola » 14 Apr 2017 19:51

lol. Trump told Xi that if you want to keep your airliners do not park them in Pyongyang.

Oh boy, I can't wait for fireworks.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 14 Apr 2017 23:27

New Korean War may break out ‘at any moment’ – Chinese FM

https://www.rt.com/news/384755-north-ko ... -possible/

“Lately, tensions have risen with the US and the ROK [South Korea] on one side, and the DPRK [North Korea] on the other,” Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters on Friday, adding that “One has the feeling that a conflict could break out at any moment.”

He cautioned both sides that “if a war occurs, the result is a situation in which everybody loses and there can be no winner,” and that whichever side provoked a conflict “must assume the historic responsibility and pay the corresponding price.”

Earlier in the day, Wang said both Washington and Pyongyang must refrain from “provoking and threatening each other, whether in words or actions, and not let the situation get to an irreversible and unmanageable stage,” as cited by Reuters.

In an apparent attempt to cool down the US administration’s bellicose rhetoric, he added: “Force cannot solve the problem – dialogue can be the only channel to resolving the problem.”

China, North Korea’s close ally and main trading partner, does not welcome Pyongyang's nuclear program, but advocates finding political solution to the crisis. For its part, Russia, which also shares a land border with the reclusive state, expressed deep concern over the mounting tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

The tension on the Korean Peninsula was one of the topics Wang Yi discussed with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov in a Friday phone call.

Moscow stands for “politico-diplomatic reconciliation” and urges all parties to show patience and refrain from “any actions which might mean making provocative steps,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday.

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Postby Austin » 14 Apr 2017 23:29

Russia, China Seek to Avoid Chaos in North Korea With New Sanctions - Envoy

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704 ... rth-korea/
PYONGYANG (Sputnik) — On Thursday, the US State Department spokesman said that Washington is expecting that Beijing will use its "economic leverage" over North Korea to persuade Pyongyang abandon its nuclear aspirations.

"We must resolve the main task related to the prevention of nuclear missile programs, but we do not have the task of blowing up the economic situation or cause socioeconomic chaos. there is no such task for us or for China," Matsegora said.


The UN Security Council is not discussing anti-North Korea sanctions yet, he said.

"So far, no sanctions have been discussed in the UN Security Council. Perhaps they will be discussed if there is a new test or launch," Matsegora said, noting that "more than enough sanctions" have been adopted against Pyongyang.

Russia is working with the United States and North Korea on relaunching six-party talks on Pyongyang's nuclear program, Matsegora told Sputnik.

"Naturally, we are making efforts to resume negotiations. We are working with our Korean colleagues, with US partners," Matsegora said.

U.S. aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson arrives for an annual joint military exercise called Foal Eagle between South Korea and U.S, at the port of Busan, South Korea, March 15, 2017.

He said that the "one step forward, two steps back" efforts make it impossible to determine when the six countries would sit at the negotiating table, "but it will happen for sure."

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Postby Singha » 14 Apr 2017 23:36

Cnn


Air China is suspending flights between Beijing and the North Korean capital of Pyongyang.
The suspension of service by the state-owned carrier will go into effect from Monday, according to Chinese state media.
A representative for Air China said the airline was temporarily suspending flights due to weak sales.

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Postby ashish raval » 15 Apr 2017 06:14

I think the number of days NoKo can fight the war is 2 weeks. There will be no drop of oil left after that to fight a war after that. This can change if China comes into picture..Which it certainly will. Americans can fight for a year without battling a eyelid

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Apr 2017 07:29

DT has painted himself into a corner, hain? Can't pull that carrier back w/o either a NoKo capitulation, or a war.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rudradev » 15 Apr 2017 08:43

Why not? Nixon did, in '71.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby tushar_m » 15 Apr 2017 08:53

NK will not wait 2 weeks.
They will prepare their Nukes from day 1 to hit either SK or CBC(if they can with some Chinese missile)

SK Being a small country by size can be completely destroyed by few nukes. At the end SK will try to reduce the political/economic pressure on NK so that they don't go for the end game(N strike)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2017 12:39

In case of full scale war , China will simply send in troops and capture most of Noko , The communist party regime will defect to who ever china choose its leader.

China wont allow NoKo to fall to South Korea or a unification under favourable terms to Soko/US and Russia would also want to see the same.

There are just 3 countries sharing border with NoKo China , Russia and Soko and these will be the one significantly affected by Refugee crisis and post war issues.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2017 12:46

http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/north-ko ... ign=buffer

Analysis of noko parade missiles. Kim has promised to punish mercilessly anyone who comes at him

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2017 13:16

NoKo has over the last decade steadily built up both its nuclear and conventional forces,especially after seeing the downfall of Saddam and Gadhaffi
who destroyed the chem weapons and scrapped their fledgling N-capability,leaving them completely vulnerable to US/NATO regime change military invasions which sent the erstwhile rulers into history's dustbin. If the US wants to take on NoKo and resume the Korean War (Part-2),good luck to it. I'd also advise a quick sell of stocks n SoKo companies.

https://www.rt.com/news/384817-pyongyan ... -missiles/
Pyongyang parades new ICBMs & submarine-based missiles in founding leader’s honor
Published time: 15 Apr, 2017 02:44

Amid regional “military hysteria,” North Korea has marked the 105th birth anniversary of its founding leader Kim Il-sung with a military parade in Pyongyang, where it for the first time publicly showcased its submarine-launched ballistic missiles as well as what appears to be a new type of ICBM.
The country’s hereditary leader Kim Jong-un, wearing a black suit and white shirt and a tie, welcomed his country's bravest as he addressed thousands of soldiers who took part in the parade honoring his grandfather.

Under the clear sky and to the sound of the military band, dozens of military vehicles and an entire army of soldiers passed through the country’s biggest square named in honor of Kim Il-sung, whose 105th birthday is being celebrated on Saturday.

State TV showed images of the Pukkuksong-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) on trucks for the first time as the country continues to pursue an aggressive military and nuclear deterrent policy.

READ MORE: N. Korea blasts US ‘military hysteria & aggression’ in Syria, vows to mercilessly foil provocations

North Korea in February claimed that it successfully test-fired a surface-to-surface “medium long-range ballistic missile” known as the Pukkuksong-2, which is potentially capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.
North Korea also paraded what appeared to be a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

"It's presumed to be a new ICBM. It seems longer than the existing KN-08 or KN-14 ICBMs," South Korean military official told Yonhap.

Some shots of the monster canistered unknown-and-untested (as far as we know) ICBM #NorthKorea just revealed. #JucheFest2017
09:01 - 15 Apr 2017

Choe Ryong Hae – believed to be the second-most powerful official in the country – in his address to the soldiers during the parade, blamed Donald Trump for "creating a war situation" in the Korean Peninsula promising to respond with all out war to US aggression.

"We will respond to an all-out war with an all-out war and a nuclear war with our style of a nuclear attack," Choe warned, according to AP, during the parade.

The country's biggest national holiday called the "Day of the Sun" came amid growing speculation that Pyongyang could conduct its sixth nuclear test. Amid growing tensions with the US President Donald Trump who promised to "take care" of North Korea, the communist officials told foreign journalists on Tuesday that a “big and important event” is expected to take place.

But on Thursday amid much hype and secrecy, the North Korean leader surprised the press by showcasing a new skyscraper-lined street in Pyongyang.

"Ryomyong Street is an accomplishment that the North wants to promote on the economic front," an official at Seoul's unification ministry, told South Korean Yonhap news. "It may hope to show something to display its nuclear and missile capabilities."

Ahead of Saturday’s festive parade, Pyongyang urged Washington to stop its “military hysteria” and come to its “senses” – or otherwise face a merciless response in case of any provocations against North Korea.

As tensions heighten in the peninsula, China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, warned that confrontation between the US and North Korea had escalated to such a point that “a military conflict may start at any moment.”

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby rsingh » 15 Apr 2017 14:28

What ever NoKo does,it actually orchestrated by Chinese. They will show they can't influence. But they want USA to make first move before showing real face. It was predicted in my previous post .

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby rgosain » 15 Apr 2017 15:00

I have been saying it on this very forum since 2002 that any NK tests are PRc tests, and the GOI should waste no effort in pointing this out. Whether they have done so is open to question.
These tests allow the PRC to be confident of it stockpile stewardship over a longer term, than would be the case if they were relying on simulations, hydrodynamics or laser ignition. These tests also permit them to proof the primary of the W80 design stolen from the US during the WJC administration. With this NK, Pak, and the PRC can have confidence in road-mobile MIRV warheads. The news that NK has a cold-launch system for its slbms also points to PRC involvement.
If the USN strikes at NK, Prc loses its key testing ground.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2017 17:47

And it permits tsp to proof its low yield designs handed from cheen very nicely

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby svinayak » 15 Apr 2017 23:37

rgosain wrote:I have been saying it on this very forum since 2002 that any NK tests are PRc tests, and the GOI should waste no effort in pointing this out. Whether they have done so is open to question.
These tests allow the PRC to be confident of it stockpile stewardship over a longer term, than would be the case if they were relying on simulations, hydrodynamics or laser ignition. These tests also permit them to proof the primary of the W80 design stolen from the US during the WJC administration. With this NK, Pak, and the PRC can have confidence in road-mobile MIRV warheads. The news that NK has a cold-launch system for its slbms also points to PRC involvement.
If the USN strikes at NK, Prc loses its key testing ground.


All the tests are for PRC

PRC has customers in other countries such as Pak, Iran etc

The missiles are also from PRC and NK is the main distributor for all the WMD from PRC

But PRC is now touted by west as a large trading partner and also 2nd major economy in the world

A rougue country has been promoted by the west for the last 40 years

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 16 Apr 2017 00:32

PRC does not need these test of such low yeald device , They already have many dozens test under the belt for proof testing their warhead design and the West has given PRC the computer codes to simulate nuclear test without having the actual need to test the device , This was part of CTBT trade off that Bill Clinton did with China.

Testing a Fission Device or Boosted Fission Device does not need great effort other then to have fissile material , Such test were done in 50's with basic elementary calculator.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Prem » 16 Apr 2017 07:18

https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea- ... 04230.html
US: North Korean test missile explodes on launch

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — A North Korean missile exploded during launch Sunday, U.S. and South Korean officials said, a high-profile failure that comes as a powerful U.S. aircraft supercarrier approaches the Korean Peninsula in a show of force.It wasn't immediately clear what kind of missile was test-fired from the east coast city of Sinpo. But the failure will sting in Pyongyang because it comes a day after one of the biggest North Korean propaganda events of the year— celebrations of the 105th birthday of late North Korea founder Kim Il Sung, the current leader's grandfather.
The North's test firing can be seen as a message of defiance to the Trump administration in Washington, coming as it does on the day U.S. Vice President Mike Pence is set to arrive in Seoul for talks on North Korea.President Donald Trump was uncharacteristically quiet about the failed launch. In a statement, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Trump and his military team "are aware of North Korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. The president has no further comment."Washington and Seoul will try hard to figure out what exactly North Korea fired. This matters because while North Korea regularly launches short-range missiles, it is also developing mid-range and long-range missiles meant to target U.S. troops in Asia and, eventually, the U.S. mainland.The U.S. Pacific Command said in a statement that Sunday's missile exploded on launch. South Korea's Defense Ministry said it was analyzing exactly how the North Korean launch failed. Neither military knew what kind of missile was fired.In Seoul, South Korea's presidential office convened a national security council meeting to examine security postures.
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