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India - South & North Korea Thread

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 21 May 2015 13:00

Here is a small summary of the events preceding and leading to Shri.Namo's visit to SoKo. Typing in a hurry, so please forgive for spellings and brevity:

Pre D-day:

A month back, SoKo based desis recieved a first come first served invite from the embassy ( routed through the various Associations like Telgu assn, Kananda assn, Indians in Korea etc) about having a closed lunch meeting with NaMo based on the first 50 who reply ( and pay 20 USD)
Yours truely also made it to the list due to frequent FB checking ( which i check when online since im nearly always on BR).

However, 2 days before the event, due to sheer number of people vying for meeting the PM, embassy scrapped the scheme and made it open for all based on pre-registration of identity document.

Since the event was in Seoul and we were bit away from there, people requested to have some sort of transport to reach there and with a day to go, the embassy actually arrabnged few buses from our city to Seoul based on pre-registration and after getting a idea of the number of users.

D-day:
the buses arrived on time, the boarding/checking process was very smooth and there was no chaos since they had arranged a few buses more than required to avoid shortages.

We were taken to the venue in Seoul 1 hour before arrival of Modi and the entire event was a pleasent surprise.

The arrangements were top-notch with multiple registration counters to cross verify incoming guests and even for last minute entries, there was a seperate counter where things were done without a fuss. It took a max of 5 minutes for regsitration.

The embassy also arranged a flag and a generous food packet ( consisting of multiple Indian snacks and sweets) + juice+ water for all those who were confirmed in registration.


Security:

The place was swarming with Korean police and Korean secret service folks., Didnt spot any SPG folks in the crowd ( maybe embassy security staff were milling around inconspiously) but as with Korean security, everything was smooth and no-fuss and no heavy handedness on display.
When Modi arrived ( with Ajit Doval and S.Jaishankar) , he had a impressive SPG detail all around him and they did look pretty mean and TFTA

The event:

Everyone was setaed in 30 minutes before arrival time and there were some Indian dance performances by Koreans which were very good. They started playing the Make in India video when it had to be stopped halfway since the man had arrived.
The entire arean went beserk and it seemed like a cricket stadium than a place in Korea with people shouting "Bharat mata ki jai" and "Modi Modi". It was truely electrifying stuff

NaMo directly walked onto the stage from his car using some back entrance and the roof virtually blew off when he came on stage with his trademark wave and namaste. It took 5-10 minutes for people to get subdued and to play the national anthem.

Once done, NaMo started his speech and it was pretty excellent as usual ( it is in youtube and wont bother quoting the stuff)

But no doubt the man has charisma and is a leader if there was one. The crowd was completely captivated for 1 hour and till he was called away by his SPG staff to move onto the next event ( meeting the prez), time just flew.

All in all, a very satisfying day and full marks to the embassy for the immaculate arrangements.


Any questions/comments are welcome.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Gus » 21 May 2015 18:17

Thanks sum for attending and posting.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 21 May 2015 22:23

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/new ... |newslist1
"Is Korea’s $10 billion India plan pure chimera?"

Of the $10 billion, $1 billion comes from the Ministry of Strategy and Finance’s Economic Development Cooperation Fund, which are government loans given to other countries, and which have interest rates as low as 0.01 percent and maturities of up to 40 years. The remaining $9 billion comes from the Eximbank’s export financing program, from which the state-run policy bank lends money to Korean companies for overseas business projects.

However, working-level government organizations in both finance and trade have been given no clear direction as to how to invest such large amounts.

Several government officials and state-run financial institution officials said the Korean government hasn’t prepared any plans related to India, and at least a couple of years will be needed before the fund is actually approved and executed. This guarantees delays in any infrastructure projects.

“India has never received international aid from Korea, which requires us to start from the very bottom, [with an aid agreement],” said an official at the Finance Ministry. “I would say it will take at least a couple of years until an aid agreement for India gets final approval, because the approval requires a bilateral agreement and detailed business plans, which again need to undergo feasibility studies. So far, nothing has been done.”

Officials at the Korea Eximbank said they never heard of the plan before they read news reports from Monday’s summit.

“The $10 billion plan came from the government [Blue House], and we’ve never heard of this deal before,” a high-level official at the bank who asked not to be named told the Korea JoongAng Daily. “I understand that the number $10 billion is only a rough estimate of investments determined in a diplomatic sense. I assume that the $10 billion includes all kinds of possible exports and foreign direct investment to India.”

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby arshyam » 21 May 2015 23:28

Sum-ji, thanks.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby KLNMurthy » 21 May 2015 23:32

Gus wrote:Thanks sum for attending and posting.

+1

It also shows that babus can raise the level of their game with proper motivation from leaders.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 21 May 2015 23:36

Sum, Thanks for the summary!!!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 22 May 2015 04:20

KLNMurthy wrote:
Gus wrote:Thanks sum for attending and posting.

+1

It also shows that babus can raise the level of their game with proper motivation from leaders.

+1

The excitement even among the embassy folks was pretty visible. A true leader can really inspire everyone to give their best.
I also liked his statement that the Indians abroad are the best ambassodrs of the country and just 20-30 people within a embassy compund wont be able to spread the message as much as the ordinary NRI. So, make best effort to show India in good light and also inculcate best habits like maintaing time ( dont defame country by calling it "Indian standard Time") , cleanliness etc.

Also, mentioned that the money in India might not be as much as outside but once you are fulfilled with monetary aspects and had fun outside, absorsb all the tech available outside and retrun home where we can know where that can be used ( said with a smile and grin) :mrgreen:

Almost felt like a BRF-ite speaking. We are truely blessed to have him for whatever time he leads our great nation

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Suraj » 22 May 2015 05:40

Thanks for responding to my request to write in detail, sum. Much appreciated. I assume you were all bussed in from someplace reasonably close, like Incheon, and not from, say, Busan ?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Prem » 22 May 2015 06:18

No info on what transpired in talk B'ween GOI and NOKO's foreign minister who visited last month.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 22 May 2015 06:24

Suraj wrote:Thanks for responding to my request to write in detail, sum. Much appreciated. I assume you were all bussed in from someplace reasonably close, like Incheon, and not from, say, Busan ?

That correct, Suraj-saar.
Our city is just 40km from Seoul ( starts with a "s" :mrgreen: ) and lots of desis there. Hence the arrangement.

People did plan come in from all over but once the initial news of closed luncheon being cancelled came in, long distance guys dropped out ( they wanted "exclusive access" and selfie with the PM :-o ).

But i guess few still made it from far using their own transport ( or maybe embassy made some arrangements for them)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 23 May 2015 18:43

From an overall view of the Act-East policy:
http://www.eurasiareview.com/22052015-s ... -analysis/

As noted earlier, India-Korea trade has not expanded despite the signing of the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement. It is believed that the two way trade has the potential of reaching $100 billion by 2020. But many want the CEPA to be upgraded to realise that goal. It is found that only about 40 percent of the trade agreement’s capacity is probably being used because the tariff concessions under the CEPA are not competitive. This creates discouragement for companies to use the CEPA. Many Koreans want India to make its tariff line more attractive and liberal.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 24 May 2015 19:13

http://www.traveldailymedia.com/222115/ ... rail-link/
"Korea helps speed up Delhi-Mumbai rail link"
The Economic Times reports that the Korean Rail Road Network (KRNA), a state-run rail construction company, has carried out a survey of an initial section of the line, running between Delhi and Palwal, with a view to devising methods of increasing the speed of the route.

The newspaper revealed that the Korean team met with officials in Delhi last week to discuss the challenges facing the project, in terms of track, signalling and overhead line infrastructure.

And once the study has been completed, the solutions could be introduced to other key railway lines.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Jun 2015 16:08

"Korea, China sign free trade agreement"
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20150601001162

South Korea and China signed a free trade agreement Monday that is expected to become a platform for the two economies seeking new growth engines and to bring the 23-year bilateral cooperation up to a new level.

The gradual removal of tariffs on agricultural, maritime and manufactured products, as well as opening up those industries of the world’s largest market, is expected to give Korea’s gross domestic product a 0.96 percent increase and boost customer welfare by $14.6 billion within 10 years of the FTA effectuation, Seoul officials said.

The FTA will enable a market with a population of 1.4 billion and GDP of $12 trillion. It also makes Korea the only country that has FTAs with the world’s three largest economies ― the U.S., EU and China. Korea now has deals encompassing 52 nations, accounting for 73.45 percent of the global economy.
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China is by far the largest country Korea has made such agreements with. Korea is China’s largest importer, taking 9.7 percent of its imported market, followed by Japan with 8.3 percent and the U.S. with 7.8 percent.

For China, this is the largest bilateral deal in terms of trade volume. “This is the most high-level, specific but all-around, and balanced FTA we have had by far,” Chinese deputy trade minister Wang Shou Wen told reporters.

The agreement is expected to provide the modality as well as the driving force for progress toward a South Korea-China-Japan FTA, and a Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership.

The RCEP is a proposed FTA between member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations ― Brunei, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam ― and the six states with which ASEAN has existing FTAs ― Australia, China, India, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Jun 2015 16:15

Hyundai to drive in new SUV Creta in H2 2015
http://www.hindustantimes.com/htauto-to ... 53996.aspx
"The Creta has been designed and developed in Korea while our engineers in Hyderabad and Chennai have played an important role in customising it for the Indian conditions," Hyundai Motor India (HMIL) Senior Vice-President Sales and Marketing Rakesh Srivastava told PTI.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 30 Jun 2015 17:00

Opinion piece: India-South Korea Relations: New Horizons Beckon
http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/indi ... ns-beckon/

During PM Modi’s visit, it was agreed that South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries would be collaborating with an Indian public sector company to manufacture warships in India, though the details are yet to be worked out.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Jul 2015 20:16

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/new ... googlenews
"East joins West in foreign financial investments here"

While Western banks, the main foreign financial corporations in Korea, struggle in the local market, financial companies from other Asian countries including China are showing interest.

Fubon Life Insurance on June 22 decided to invest 220 billion won ($196 million) in Hyundai Life Insurance. It was the first case of Taiwanese investment in a Korean financial company, according to analysts in the industry.
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Anbang Insurance Group, one of China’s largest insurance companies, took over Tong Yang Life Insurance on June 10 in securing 63 percent of the Korean insurers’ stake. It is the first case of a Chinese company buying a Korean financial company.
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The State Bank of India (SBI), the biggest bank in India, is making inroads into Korea as well.

The SBI opened a Seoul office in 2013 and now the office is being converted into a branch to start business within this year.

The bank plans on providing trade finance services to Indian enterprises in Korea or Korean companies that have operations in India.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Jul 2015 20:19

Opinion piece:
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/new ... googlenews
"Stepping towards new growth"

Korea stands at a crossroads, and the direction it chooses will determine its survival. Korea’s exports to China, including Hong Kong, makes up 30.1 percent of total exports. Korea’s dependency on China is serious, with trade more than double than that of the United States and Japan combined.

Countries around the world are inflating currency by $11 trillion, or 7.8 times Korea’s GDP, lowering their interest rates and devaluing their own currencies. Korea cannot afford to respond to these changes. Its export competitiveness is weakening. If economic powers take their exit strategies, speculative capital could leave at once, shaking up Korea’s market.


Korea is facing a demographic transition (aging population, falling birth rate).

Korea needs a new growth formula. The priority is attaining economic integration with the 10 countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), actively supporting and expanding trade with them. Only then can our gross domestic product triple, passing the point at which Korea would become an independent economy.

With a population of 620 million and $2.5 trillion in GDP, Asean has abundant resources. The median age is 12 years younger than in Korea, offering great potential for growth. The cost of marine transport between Korea and Asean countries is on the same level as domestic land transport.

After completing the first phase of economic integration with Asean, or AU-11, Korea should pursue the second stage of including Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Mongolia in the AU-15. Then, China, Japan, India and Pakistan can participate in the final stage of AU-19, accomplishing a substantial Asian economic union.


Start-ups also need to be nurtured intensively. Silicon Valley created a new growth engine for the United States. Over 39,000 companies set up by Stanford University graduates hire 5.4 million employees and their annual revenue is $2.7 trillion, similar to France’s GDP.

Silicon Valley encourages immigrant start-ups. Roughly 44 percent of the companies are set up by immigrants. In 2010, 56 percent of Stanford University’s graduate students were foreign students. Korea’s universities need to take an initiative to invite foreign students and create an environment that supports turning their ideas into business start-ups. It is important to establish an ecosystem to help start-ups speedily set up and grow as in Silicon Valley.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Aug 2015 16:41

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/sou ... 44823.html
Seoul: South Korea on Monday ordered border propaganda operations against North Korea to resume for the first time in 11 years, in retaliation for landmine blasts that maimed two of its soldiers during a frontier patrol.

The Defence Ministry said banks of loudspeakers positioned at various spots along the border would be switched on for the first time since 2004 and used to blast out messages denouncing North Korean provocations.

The move will infuriate North Korea and likely trigger a surge in cross-border tensions at a time of already severely strained relations between Seoul and Pyongyang.

The order came hours after Seoul vowed Pyongyang would pay a "harsh price" for allegedly planting the landmines that detonated last Tuesday in the South Korean half of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) -- a buffer area flanking both sides of the inter-Korean frontier.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 11 Aug 2015 06:53

All 3 shipbuilders float in a sea of red for 2015

The nation’s top three shipbuilders - Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), Samsung Heavy Industries and Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) - are forecasted to run losses through the end of the year, the first time that all three had unprofitable years at the same time.

The nation’s leading shipbuilder, HHI, is expected to have its second consecutive year of red ink for the first time in its 44-year history.

According to financial institutions and investment houses Monday, the total estimated losses for the three companies this year could be 5.6 trillion won ($4.82 billion). The three already reported 4.7 trillion won in losses in the first half, mainly due to a weak offshore plant business.

Of the 5.6 trillion won in estimated losses, DSME is expected to account for 3.5 trillion won by the end of the year, followed by Samsung (1.5 trillion won) and HHI (600 billion won). Analysts in the financial institutions said the losses could rise to the 6 trillion won level as some offshore plants being built by the companies might not be done on time, which would cost them additional expenses.

“The three companies have reflected most of the losses generated from the offshore plant business in the first half’s balance sheets, but current market condition isn’t good enough to make profits in the second half,” said an analyst. “It is no longer a secret that all three will go into the red this year and the question is how they will stop making additional losses later on.”

Grim tidings on the shipbuilding front!

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 17 Aug 2015 11:54

Report in Korean paper:
India celebrates national independence on Aug. 15

India joins Korea in celebrating its own independence from colonialism on Aug. 15. Colonial India’s last viceroy, Lord Louis Mountbatten of Britain, chose the second anniversary of Japan’s surrender in World War II in 1947 as the date to transfer power to the new Republic of India, ending 90 years of dominion.

Unlike Japan, which forsook its 36-year occupation of Korea following a military defeat, Britain relinquished its colonial grip voluntarily as escalating anti-British uprisings threatened the viability of its imposed rule.

Like Korea that was divided into the communist North and democratic South, India was partitioned into Muslim-dominated Pakistan and Hindu-dominated India in 1947, with nearly 1 million killed in the process.

India’s Independence Day is celebrated relatively simply with a guard of honor for the prime minister, who delivers a speech on the ramparts of the Red Fort in Delhi ― a symbolic site of the Moghul Empire and the place where the Indian national flag was raised immediately after independence was gained.

The speech is an address to the people and an agenda for the government for the year ahead.


“In last year’s address as a newly appointed prime minister, Narendra Modi set forth his vision of how he wants to transform the country,” Indian Ambassador Vikram Doraiswami told The Korea Herald on Wednesday at the embassy.

“It included a number of special focus areas ― the ‘Clean India’ public health campaign, the ‘Make in India’ manufacturing campaign with foreign investment, the ‘Digital India’ campaign for the information technology sector, education and safety for the less privileged and women, job creation for youths, peaceful relations with neighbors, tourism and global economic partnerships ― all of which are highly relevant to the India-Korea relationship.”

The newly appointed ambassador stressed that Modi has regarded Korea as a key partner for development “much more than Korea has given itself credit for.”

When asked some seven years ago, when he was the chief minister of the Gujarat state in northwestern India, which country he viewed as a role model for India, Modi pointed to Korea, the ambassador noted.

“Our prime minister has always believed that our partnership had not been tapped even to a partial degree given our potential,” Doraiswami said. “Modi is keen to engage Korea, which has begun to look beyond its immediate alliances with the U.S., China and Japan. If Korea looks further afield, logically, India would be one of the nearest strategic countries.”

Doraiswami pointed to Modi’s “Act East” foreign policy, which aims for deeper integration with Asian countries to the east, inheriting the “Look East” policy initiative announced 20 years ago. To this end, Modi visited Korea in mid-May after China and Mongolia.

“India and Korea have shared stakes in establishing a peaceful, stable and rule-based order in Asia and beyond, to allow safe and free flows of commerce in the maritime and aviation domains,” he argued.


The Indian envoy emphasized that comparing the India-Britain relations and India-Pakistan relations to Korea-Japan relations and South Korea-North Korea relations should be done with caution and consideration of the different histories and circumstances.

“Following Mahatma Gandhi’s message, we wanted the British to leave as friends,” he noted. “They left amicably, and we did not dwell on the past. We wanted to deal with Britain with a measure of our own confidence that we did not need history to tell us who we were.”

The early development of the modern Commonwealth in the 1950s and ‘60s granted countries formerly under Britain’s tutelage equal footing and voices in an evenhanded power-sharing mechanism. This created a sense that the once-colonized and the colonizer had now become partners in liberating countries in Asia and Africa from their colonial shackles, according to the envoy.

“We have excellent relations with Britain through diplomacy, commerce, culture and sports,” he underscored. “The U.K. government provided valuable guidance and assistance in setting up our democratic institutions and norms. India did not seek colonial reparations.”

On the India-Pakistan relations, Doraiswami emphasized that “there is no desire to reverse history” of the partition, which took high human tolls on both sides. Unlike North and South Korea, which seek to reunite on their own terms, only marginal extremist groups in India and Pakistan endorse the reunification idea, he said.

At the same time, the ambassador added, India is committed to a peaceful, stable and economically integrated regional order through the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation established in 1985, which includes India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives and Afghanistan.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Shreeman » 17 Aug 2015 13:01

Why is it that there is never any north korea india news? I get it that south korea is meaningful but is anything being done to move north koreans out of bakistani embrace?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Tuvaluan » 17 Aug 2015 18:33

There was a north Korean delegation that visited India in the previous year that is reported on page 1 of this thread and India lectured to North Korea about the moral badness of having nukes or some such, and deferred all ties until NoKo gave up nukes. So there is nothing going on between India and NoKo, which accounts for no news IMO.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Aug 2015 07:17

Noted Indian scientist awarded first Sunhak Peace Prize
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/ ... 708959.cms

SEOUL: Noted Indian agriculture scientist Dr Modadugu Vijay Gupta, who has done pioneering work in aquaculture in India, Bangladesh and several Southeast Asian countries, was on Friday awarded the first Sunhak Peace Prize which he shared with the President of Kiribati Islands.

Gupta, 76, shared the USD 1 million prize with President of Kiribati Islands Anote Tong here at a glittering function which was attended by invitees from all over the world.
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Hailing from Bapatla in Andhra Pradesh, Gupta, a biologist, was also the recipient of the World Food Prize in 2005 for development and dissemination of low-cost techniques for freshwater fish farming.
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His work with rural communities in Bangladesh, a nation bestowed with lot of water resources, has made fish farming a major source of livelihood for millions of rural poor, according to the organisers.

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Postby A_Gupta » 29 Aug 2015 07:22

Lotte seeks shopping malls in India
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20150828001007
Lotte Group chairman Shin Dong-bin on Thursday requested Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s support in Lotte’s culture-shopping complex development in the New Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai regions.

“Thanks to the Modi government’s economic stimulus policies, India is seeing rapid economic growth every year,” chairman Shin was quoted as telling Modi in New Delhi.

“I would like to ask for your support in Lotte’s advancement into retail, hotels as well as large-complex construction sectors, where the company could share its know-how and benefits with local communities,” he said.

Shin has projected plans to build shopping mall annexes to train stations, just as the company has often done in Korea, including Lotte shopping towns in Sogong-dong and Jamsil, which are attached to subway stations Euljiro 1-ga Station and Jamsil Station in Seoul, respectively.

Shin’s meeting with Modi comes three months after the Indian prime minister visited Seoul in May and met a slew of Korean businessmen.

Shin visited India to mark the opening of Lotte Confectionery’s plant in Rohtak City in northern India on Wednesday. The 24,793-square-meter plant is dedicated to producing 60 billion won ($51 million) of vegetarian Choco Pie snacks annually, tailored for the predominately vegetarian local market.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Aug 2015 07:32

Kim Jong-un credits nukes not talks for deal with S Korea
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 708324.cms
SEOUL: North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un said nuclear weapons — not negotiating skills — secured this week's "landmark" agreement with South Korea, as he dismissed a number of officials from a top military decision-making body.

Chairing a meeting of the powerful Central Military Commission (CMC), Kim credited the North with striking the deal that ended a tense military standoff with the South, Pyongyang's official KCNA news agency said Friday.

The agreement, reached after marathon day-night talks in the border truce village of Panmunjom, pulled both sides back from the brink of an armed conflict and committed them to starting an official dialogue.

But Kim made it clear that sitting down to talks would not entail North Korea discussing the end of its nuclear weapons programme, which the young leader said was key to maintaining peace in the first place.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Sep 2015 04:37

Analysis: "India-South Korea: Time for the Second Big Bang
The two countries enjoy warm ties. Time to build on that."

http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/india-so ... -big-bang/

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Sep 2015 04:38

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 656332.ece
India reaches out, wants to upgrade ties with North Korea
In a quiet but extremely significant diplomatic move, India signalled upgraded ties with North Korea, by sending Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju to participate in an event marking the North Korean national Independence Day in New Delhi, The Hindu has learnt.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Hitesh » 16 Sep 2015 07:08

Bad move. It will piss off South Korea. North Korea has nothing to offer India. India would have been better off building up more defense ties with South Korea and call North Korea for what it is: a piss poor country run by a lunatic foam at the mouth dictator.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Rahul M » 16 Sep 2015 07:22

SoKo does not look at NoKo as a sworn enemy but more like a retarded brother. if India can help normalize NoKo, SoKo would welcome that.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby member_23370 » 16 Sep 2015 07:24

SoKo has no qualm selling anything to pakis, why should India care. Its not like India is offering anything to NoKo.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby member_22539 » 16 Sep 2015 07:56

Rahul M wrote:SoKo does not look at NoKo as a sworn enemy but more like a retarded brother. if India can help normalize NoKo, SoKo would welcome that.


True that. The problem is that many Indians see the NoKo-SoKo relationship like the Indo-pak relationship, which is anything but true.

Both the Koreas know that unification is just a matter of time and convenience. Frankly, at a general populace level, the South Korean population is more worried about the economic implications and hence more reticent than the North Korean population (notwithstanding the machinations of their rulers) with regard to unifications.

This can't be more different from the paki denial about their reality, their nature and their eventual fate.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby sum » 16 Sep 2015 08:54

Rahul M wrote:SoKo does not look at NoKo as a sworn enemy but more like a retarded brother. if India can help normalize NoKo, SoKo would welcome that.

^^+1.

Its very evident that they are looked on as "misguided brothers" who will eventually return to the fold. There is no sworn enmity towards NoKo in aam janta of SoKo ( unlike the truly retarded folks to the west of India)

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 12 Oct 2015 16:57

Not related to India, but kind of shows a use of "soft" power.
http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2015/10/09/fr ... er-9-2015/

Indigenous South Americans consider adopting Korean alphabet. The Aymara people of Bolivia, Peru, and Chile, are considering the use of the Korean alphabet, Hangeul (or Hangul), as their primary writing system. Korean researchers have already created a system for transcribing the Aymaran language into Hangeul, and the Aymaran and Korean languages reportedly share similarities in terms of word order and grammar. If the Aymaras adopt Hangeul, they would be the second to use the writing system after a town in Indonesia adopted the script in 2009 to preserve its spoken language, Cia-Cia. Hangeul was created in 1443 CE by the Korean royal court under the instruction and supervision of King Sejong, who wanted to create a simple script to spread literacy among ordinary Koreans who, unlike the upper classes, did not have the time or resources to learn complex Chinese characters.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Dec 2015 18:17

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 117168.cms
"North Korean leader hints at hydrogen bomb capability"

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Re: NoKo after "Dear Leader" Kim

Postby wig » 31 Dec 2015 13:55

Satellite imagery shows North Korea digging test tunnel at nuclear proving ground
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Work at Punggye-ri continues after experts said they believed Pyongyang may be less than five years from having thermonuclear weapon

The images also show new activity at a test tunnel started in May 2013. It is not clear whether the work is for maintenance or for some other purpose, says the group, run by the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and headed by a former US State Department official
The new tunnel, providing access to Mount Musan, is in a different area from the three existing sites. Excavation work has caused erosion, leaving the surface of the mountain cracked and weak, 38 North says.

North Korea has carried out three nuclear tests since 2006. The last, in February 2013, was seen as a show of strength by North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who came to power just over two years earlier.

The test provoked global condemnation and sanctions.

There are concerns that tensions on the Korean Peninsula will rise again following the death of one of Mr Kim's closest advisors.

Kim Yang-gon was killed in a car crash on Tuesday, according to the state news agency.

He helped broker a deal with South Korea in August to try to reduce military tensions. Follow-up vice-ministerial talks this month failed to reach agreement on how to improve relations.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... round.html

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Jan 2016 09:24

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/nor ... 42109.html
"North Korea's 'successful' hydrogen bomb test a birthday gift to Kim Jong-Un?"
Seoul: North Korea announced on Wednesday it had successfully carried out its first hydrogen bomb test, a development that, if confirmed, would marking a stunning step forward in its nuclear development.

"The republic`s first hydrogen bomb test has been successfully performed at 10:00 am on January 6, 2016, based on the strategic determination of the Workers` Party," a state television news reader announced.

"With the perfect success of our historic H-bomb, we have joined the rank of advanced nuclear states," the announcer said, adding that the test was of a "miniaturised" device.

The surprise test was personally ordered by North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un and came just two days before his birthday.

Only last month, during remarks made during an inspection tour, Kim had suggested Pyongyang had already developed a hydrogen bomb -- although the claim was greeted with scepticism by international experts.

A hydrogen, or thermonuclear device, uses fusion in a chain reaction that results in a far more powerful explosion.

"The latest test, completely based on our technology and our manpower, confirmed that our newly-developed technological resources are accurate and scientifically demonstrated the impact of our miniaturised H-bomb," the TV announcer said.

The announcement will leave the international community scrambling to verify the accuracy of the North`s claims.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Jan 2016 09:25

http://www.india.com/news/world/5-1-mag ... te-838769/
"5.1 magnitude ‘artificial earthquake’ strikes near North Korea nuclear test site"

Jan 6: North Korea on Wednesday morning detected an artificial earthquake near their main nuclear testing site. The quake is said to be an indication that the country had conducted a nuclear test making it the fourth atomic test. South Korean weather agency confirmed that it was an “artificial quake” near North Korean nuclear test site.

The United States Geological Service reported a 5.1 magnitude earthquake which was 49km (30 miles) from the Punggye-ri site where the North has conducted nuclear tests in the past.

The earthquake was detected just after 10am Seoul time (1am GMT). The country conducted all its previous atomic detonations in the same place. South Korea’s Defense Ministry and the National Intelligence Service, the main spy agency said that they will verify the cause and nature of the artificial quake. Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga also said that seismic waves observed by Japan’s meteorological agency was “not a natural earthquake”.

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NoKo-2016

Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2016 12:17

Flash!

North Korea announces 'successful hydrogen bomb test' as UN Security Council calls emergency meeting
US Geological Survey reports a 5.1 magnitude quake that South Korea says was 30 miles from the Punggye-ri site where the North has conducted nuclear tests in the past
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 98411.html

North Korea says it has successfully conducted a test of a miniaturised hydrogen nuclear device, marking a significant advance in the isolated state's strike capabilities and raising alarm bells in Japan and South Korea.

The UN Security Council is planning to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the reported test, the US mission to the United Nations said.

The test, the fourth time North Korea has exploded a nuclear device, was ordered by young leader Kim Jong-Un, state media said.
"The first H-bomb test was successfully conducted at 10:00 (0130 GMT) on Wednesday," North Korea's official KCNA news agency said.

Last month, Kim appeared to claim his country had developed a hydrogen bomb, also known as a thermonuclear device, a step up from the less powerful atomic bomb, but the United States and outside experts were sceptical at the time.

The United States Geological Survey reported a 5.1 magnitude quake that South Korea said was 49 km (30 miles) from the Punggye-ri site where the North has conducted nuclear tests in the past.

North Korea's last test, of an atomic device in 2013, also registered at 5.1 on the USGS scale.
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Japan Meteorological Agency's earthquake and tsunami observations division director Yohei Hasegawa points at a graph of ground motion waveform data observed in Japan

The claim of miniaturising, which would allow the device to be adapted as a weapon and placed on a missile, would pose a new threat to the United States and its regional allies, Japan and South Korea.

Speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, several diplomats said the UN meeting was scheduled to take place at 11 am ET (1600 GMT). The diplomats said the meeting would likely be held behind closed doors.

“The United States and Japan have requested emergency Security Council consultations for tomorrow morning regarding North Korea's alleged nuclear test,” Hagar Chemali, spokeswoman for the US mission, said in a statement.

“While we cannot confirm at this time that a test was carried out, we condemn any violation of UNSC (UN Security Council) Resolutions and again call on North Korea to abide by its international obligations and commitments,” she added.
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Screens in Seoul show the earthquake near North Korea's nuclear facility

It was not immediately clear what action, if any, the 15-nation council was planning to take in response to the North Korean statement that it had conducted a fourth nuclear test.

Pyongyang has been under UN Security Council sanctions due to its nuclear weapons program since it first tested an atomic device in 2006.

One Western diplomat said that if the latest North Korean nuclear test was confirmed, council members would seek to expand existing UN sanctions

The White House said it could not confirm North Korea's claims, but added the United States would respond appropriately to provocations and defend its allies.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Japan would make a firm response to North Korea's challenge against nuclear non-proliferation, calling its test a threat to Japan's security.

Abe told reporters: “We absolutely cannot allow this, and condemn it strongly.” ​
Which countries have nuclear weapons?

South Korea said it would take all possible measures, including possible United Nations sanctions, to ensure Pyongyang paid the price after its fourth nuclear test.

“Our government strongly condemns North Korea ignoring repeated warnings from us and the international community and pushing ahead with the fourth nuclear test, which clearly violated the UN resolutions,” Cho Tae-yong, a senior security official at the South Korean presidential office said.

The North's state news agency said it will not give up its nuclear programme as long as the United States maintained what it called “its stance of aggression”.

It also said it will act as a responsible nuclear state and vowed not to use its nuclear weapons unless its sovereignty was infringed. It said it will not transfer its nuclear capabilities to other parties.

While a fourth nuclear test had been long expected, the timing of today's explosion came as a surprise.

The test is bound to ratchet up tensions between the isolated country and its neighbours as well as Washington. China, North Korea's main ally, has not commented on the test but is likely to be displeased at the increase in tensions in its neighbourhood.

“For the immediate term, expect further souring of relations with Seoul and, more importantly, Beijing,” said Sue Mi-Terry, Managing Director at Bower Group Asia and former Central Intelligence Agency analyst.


PS: There is F-all that the US and its allies can do to NoKo,as long as NoKo is supported/insured from regime change by the PRC. NoKo is one of the most valuable proxies of the PRC,Pakistan being the "other half" of the proxy coin.

Hardliners in Japan and SoKo will now call yet again for both nations to go nuclear to protect themselves from the Sino-NoKo threat as the US is in full retreat across the globe and may do b*gger all if they are attacks with WMDs by either red-commie state.

Eventually,even Vietnam will go nuclear in order to protect its own interests.The P-5 have done nothing to prevent global N-proliferation,beginning with the Sino-Pak JV,and thanks to their refusal to begin meaningful talks on reducing N-weapons,have let nations who feel threatened like NoKo and Iran to harbour N-ambitions. The Saudi barbarism recently will trigger off an WMD race in the ME,where the Saudis have pole position,as they "own" many of Pak's N-weapons having paid for Pak's N-programme.

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Re: NoKo-2016

Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2016 12:36

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... rogen-bomb
North Korea test: what is a miniaturised hydrogen bomb?
Tremors have been picked up at a known nuclear test site in North Korea and the regime says it has successfully tested a hydrogen bomb
Live updates: regime says it has staged successful detonation

North Korea announces what it says was a successful hydrogen bomb test on Wednesday. Photograph: Xinhua/Rex/Shutterstock
Michael Safi
Wednesday 6 January 2016 06.15 GMT

Tremors were picked up by seismologists in the US, South Korea and China at 10am local time (1.30am GMT) at a known nuclear test site at Punggye-ri and confirmed by state television.
Live North Korea nuclear test: regime says it has successfully detonated hydrogen bomb – live
Artifical earthquake was detected near known nuclear testing site in North Korea on Wednesday
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What is a thermonuclear bomb?

According to John Carlson, the former head of the Australian Safeguards and Non-Proliferation Office, a thermonuclear bomb – colloquially known as a hydrogen bomb – is essentially a two-stage explosion: one a nuclear fission reaction, the other a nuclear fusion reaction.

The primary explosion is the fission reaction – think, a conventional nuclear bomb – that emits x-rays which cause the secondary explosion, triggered by the fusion of tritium and deuterium, two hydrogen isotopes.

These two isotopes naturally repel each other, but the x-rays weaken this repellent force, causing the pair to fuse together. It is the fusion of these two isotopes that triggers the enormous energy release that makes thermonuclear explosions so destructive.
What is the difference between fission and fusion?

In nuclear fission, the nucleus of an atom splits to produce two smaller fragments, often releasing free subatomic particles and energy. In nuclear fusion, two or more atomic nuclei come together and combine. In the process some of their mass is converted into large amounts of energy. Fusion is the reaction that powers the sun.
How does this differ from past North Korean nuclear tests?

Past nuclear tests in 2006, 2009 and 2013 – all at the same site in North Hamgyong province, in the country’s east – were purely the primary stage, a nuclear explosion, “and fairly low yield at that”, Carlson says.
What is the significance of a “miniaturised” bomb?

“If it’s true, it means they’ve made something smaller scale, capable of being put onto a missile,” Carlson says. “I think we can assume the previous tests they’ve carried out have been devices too large to fit onto a missile.

“There have been questions over whether those past tests were practical weapons at all, if they could even be dropped from aircraft.”

Carlson says the North Koreans would be aiming to develop a weapon “small enough and light enough to put onto a missile, and the usual parameters are something less than one metre in diameter, and less than a tonne in weight”.

“Ideally it would be even smaller, maybe 750mm and half a tonne, but that would probably be beyond their capabilities,” he adds.

Admiral Bill Gortney, head of US Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said in October 2015 he believed North Korea had rockets with enough range to hit the continental US.

The secretive state had already developed “miniaturised” nuclear bombs that could be fitted to these rockets, he added.
Why develop this kind of weapon?

The point is to show that North Korea can; that their powers have increased. “It’s the psychological impact,” Carlson says.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2016 13:16

Sorry,didn't notice the joint SoKo/NoKo td. Consternation for SoKo and Japan.How long will they hold out before going nuclear?


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