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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Suraj » 13 Jun 2018 01:24

abhijitm wrote:Japan is the biggest loser in this. They need NK always hot so that US will keep its presence in the region. Would be interesting to watch Abe's reaction as this unfolds.

No, the Japanese are quite happy if the Norks stop saber rattling and lobbing missiles around them. That's my take from firsthand interactions with them about the matter. They're more than capable of handling their own defenses; JSDF is armed to the teeth, for something euphemistically called a "self defense force" .

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby RoyG » 13 Jun 2018 02:17

Any deal with NK is in reality a deal with Russia and China. This is a big victory for them.

All these moves are being done to get the SK to slowly push out the US presence from their territory.

In the meantime, boost economic ties with SK and slowly try to win over opposition parties with more hardline stance against US.

Make SK more dependent on Russia for energy.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Jun 2018 04:20

Gautam, Ever since Egypt did the Yom Kippur attack in 1973 after military exercises near the Sinai , everybody is wary of military exercises.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby souravB » 13 Jun 2018 04:37

Thanks Ramana for replying. Though the prudence in me is shrieking against this deal saying Indian interests are not harmed only if there is unification.
ramana wrote:souravB,
I think in US the globalist lobby that came to power in early 90s that hoodwinked/Nelson eye to NoKo missile transfers to Pak is capped.
Soon will be rolled back and eliminated.

The corollary is the AQK centrifuges and HEU bum design from Pak in trade didn't work.

Not only missile tech but there is submarine tech which I am more worried about, NoKo either have SSBN capability or are near completion (even if it is only miniature subs with 1 BM).
Now, US can't do anything even if they wanted to cause it will be a weapon sale with TOT or whatever (China can/will foot the bill for Bakis).

Young One restarted fresh and got here.

Those purges could be of those who bought the shoddy stuff.

Young One be honest or corrupt will need money, and currently only China is the only country with resources to spare.
Whatever be the condition of their stuff, they are ripe for selling a dirty bomb or two.

The way I see it they can and will be used as a satellite state of China unless there is a Korean unification (highly unlikely) and now there is one more country for India to influence.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Jun 2018 07:03

Bottom line: this looks like a sensible deal, not much chest-thumping on either side.

1. NoKo stops nuko.
2. NoKo stops mijjiles (they are visibly scrapping their engine test sites and oursourcing to Chinese sites in the Gobi)
3. No more missile overflights over Japan.
4. US-SoKo stop saber-rattling with their "exercises".

5. DT apparently saw all those mijjile launch videos and remarked " BEACHES! What wonderful, uncluttered beaches!! Imagine high-rise condos with neon signs saying "TRUMP" on each one!" (seriously: this was in his 1-hour Brej Konpheranj yesterday)

What I DIDN'T hear is: no backdown from the mountainsides filled with artillery caves that threaten Seoul. But I get the feeling that SoKo is in it for reunification, or at least using NoKo labor and factories to compete in global export market with Taiwan/cheen combo.

Japan has an ageing workforce. No taste for a war that would kill off half the wage-earners.
SoKo OTOH appears to be already inside/nearly inside the Event Horizon of the cheen Black Hole.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 13 Jun 2018 10:32

UlanBatoriji,
1.'Noko will certainly stop nuko. Around 2118 or 2218. Or sometime later.
2. DT says that stopping mil ex will save money. It can save more by cutting down on the military. It can rely on real estate deals to survive.
3. I think all this means that US is withdrawing from Asia. As my BD friends say it is "Bad Luck kharab" for Taiwan, SK and Japan. Out of these, Japan has a long military tradition and could arm themselves quickly, if there is political will. SK will not be allowed to merge into NK by China. Taiwan's days as a renegade province is now limited. Withdrawal of US means a rise of China and India will have to adjust itself to this. I am sure Modiji has taken this into account.
3. Trade war may split France, Germany and Canada from the US. UK may remain the only poodle in Europe. But it's powers are declining.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 13 Jun 2018 10:39

ramana wrote:Gautam, Ever since Egypt did the Yom Kippur attack in 1973 after military exercises near the Sinai , everybody is wary of military exercises.

ramanaji, Yes. And the US media is not against stopping the ME. However, they want to know what was offered in return. ME are going on since the end of Korean war. Every year NK protests and some times violently. They think this should not have been given up without a reciprocal move. The other point they make is that SK and Japan were not informed beforehand, and they came to know from media. This makes them jittery about DT's leadership.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby abhik » 13 Jun 2018 10:57

IMO one key difference between NoKo and Libya (or Syria) is that unlike in the middle East there are no US "Allies" (Israel, Saudies) who are pushing for a conflict. Both SoKo and Japan are uber kandle kissers/kimono shiverers, don't want a war that can destroy their economy.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby nandakumar » 13 Jun 2018 12:15

UlanBatori wrote:Bottom line: this looks like a sensible deal, not much chest-thumping on either side.

1. NoKo stops nuko.
2. NoKo stops mijjiles (they are visibly scrapping their engine test sites and oursourcing to Chinese sites in the Gobi)
3. No more missile overflights over Japan.
4. US-SoKo stop saber-rattling with their "exercises".

5. DT apparently saw all those mijjile launch videos and remarked " BEACHES! What wonderful, uncluttered beaches!! Imagine high-rise condos with neon signs saying "TRUMP" on each one!" (seriously: this was in his 1-hour Brej Konpheranj yesterday)

What I DIDN'T hear is: no backdown from the mountainsides filled with artillery caves that threaten Seoul. But I get the feeling that SoKo is in it for reunification, or at least using NoKo labor and factories to compete in global export market with Taiwan/cheen combo.

Japan has an ageing workforce. No taste for a war that would kill off half the wage-earners.
SoKo OTOH appears to be already inside/nearly inside the Event Horizon of the cheen Black Hole.

UlanBatori
There was even a White House presentation to Kim Jong On of real estate possibilities (condominiums and resorts) in NK as this news report points out.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no ... ar-AAyxYWd

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Shivaji » 13 Jun 2018 19:14

Trump had war of words with Canadian PM and also threatened tariffs on European goods just before meeting NoKo leader.

Would it be a possibility that Trump expects Kim to go back to old ways in future. Trump would call for action against NoKo and see how NATO countries respond to his call. That would be the trigger for him to convince American people that they have been taken advantage of by so-called-allies in which heavy lifting is always by US. That is when he will renegotiate deals with friends-and-foes.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/ ... yEd4bJ96Uk

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 14 Jun 2018 01:21

Trump may call for action against NK and see how US military respond to his call. Even for a non-nuclear exchange, US military has feared that thousands of military and civilian will perish. If I remember correctly about 37,000 US soldiers died in the last Korean war. Then there is a fear that nuclear weapons may be used by NK at some stage. On top of it DT has no experience in running a war and may escalate to a nuclear war. Also, China has always said that it will come in the war to help NK like the last time.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Jun 2018 07:49

I think Yoo Ess urgently needs to destabilize Moon govt and install a puppet dictator a la Diem / Thieu of South Vietnam. Then Raytheon stock prices can head back up. Moon is either a real Manchurian Candidate or a realist who sees that the Sun Rises in The East, not in Dupleecity.
Interesting comment from DT at Brej Konpherenj (BK):
People talk about China as a great power and they are, but the US economy is twice the size of the Chinese.


Fear.
For the first time he was absolutely serious in that BK, emphasizing:
I HAVE TO DO IT
to explain why he has to get into a tough position on trade with China (and by extension Oirope/G7). Almost said: "It's my job" but he didn't. He did say: "Trade deficit is too large".
Surely he understands that the future is a US-Cheen bissing contest, and Russia can be on either side, so important to keep them from going too far into the other side.
If I were DT I would view the Oiropeans as a lot of useless baggage, losers.

But I ABSOLUTELY LOVED how he cut down that pompous Oiropean sh1t who lectured on how Previous Presidents refused to shake hands with NoKo etc. And having socked him, comes back with a "thank you, by the way". :rotfl:

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby srin » 14 Jun 2018 08:50

There is no way NoKo will relinquish the nukes. There is the evidence of "libya model" and of course, the original "Saddam model".

Japan and SoKo are now realizing the fate of poodles. Nuke armed neighbour next door and their borrowed shield is now threatened to be withdrawn. Now we wait for them do their nuclear breakouts.

I don't think China is a loser here. They hold the KJU and his regime by their privates and can squeeze whenever they want to.
Russia is couldn't care less - Moscow is quite far away and the Russia-NoKo border is a desolate piece of land with just one railway line (no road) connecting them. They have lived with US troops in the peninsula for some 70 years now, and can live forever. They are not threatened either way.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Cain Marko » 15 Jun 2018 04:02

Aarvee wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:What? Lets not forget Dennis Rodman.....since we are in a generous mood


I am not suggesting they deserve one, I am just saying they do so "more" than ombaba, who got the piece prize just for becoming pot us. :D


Ya I got your point, just wanted to add one more flavor to the variety of Nobel candidates, I mean if you can have ombaba, Trump and malala, why not rodman eh?


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 20 Jun 2018 00:35

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/worl ... ottom-well
Kim Jong-un Returns to China, This Time With Leverage
By Jane Perlez, June 18, 2018
BEIJING — North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, arrived in Beijing on Tuesday amid an escalating trade conflict between China and the United States, one that gives him an opening to play the powers against each other as Washington presses him to dismantle his nuclear arsenal.
“This could be regarded as an intuitive response to Trump’s escalation of the trade war,” Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing, said of China’s invitation to Mr. Kim.
The surprise trip, just a week after his landmark summit meeting in Singapore with President Trump, is the North Korean leader’s third visit to China since March. His two-day trip was announced by Xinhua, China’s official news agency, as Mr. Kim was arriving on Tuesday morning; his previous stops in China were not made public until after they were over.
For his first one, in March — which was also his first trip abroad, and his first meeting with a head of state, since becoming the North’s leader — Mr. Kim arrived in Beijing aboard an armored train, and he spent two days in the capital for talks with President Xi Jinping. In May, Mr. Kim visited the port city of Dalian, also spending time with Mr. Xi.
This time, Mr. Kim arrived much as any other foreign leader might, landing at Beijing’s international airport and taking a stretch limousine to the city center. Xinhua’s report gave no details of the agenda for Mr. Kim’s visit. But he was likely to deliver a personal briefing about what happened behind closed doors during three hours of talks with Mr. Trump last week, the first meeting ever between leaders of the United States and North Korea.
Andrei Lankov, a Russian expert on North Korea who has lived in the North and still has ties there, said Mr. Kim would be seeking to take advantage of the trade conflict between the United States and China, deepening their rivalry to ensure they do not join forces against him, as they did last year on the United Nations sanctions over his weapons program. “He wants to further disrupt the united China-U.S. front, which somewhat surprisingly emerged last year, but now is in critical condition due to the trade war,” Mr. Lankov said. Mr. Kim is turning out to be a “very good diplomat,” Mr. Lankov said. “Like his late grandfather, Kim Il-sung, he might even learn how to outsmart the Chinese. The Americans under Trump was an unbelievably easy job.”
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Jul 2018 17:06

"President Moon Jae-in's trip seeks to turn India into 'next China' for South Korea: Official"
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east- ... outh-korea

NEW DELHI - South Korean President Moon Jae-in's trip to India will help create the next largest market for his country, Seoul's trade minister said on Monday (July 9), calling India the next China for South Korea, Yonhap news agency reported.

"The visit to India and Singapore by the head of state marks a move towards launching the New Southern Policy in earnest," Mr Kim Hyun-chong told reporters, referring to President Moon's key foreign policy that seeks to greatly enhance the country's relationship with India and 10 members of the Association of South-east Asian Nations (Asean).

Mr Moon arrived in New Delhi on Sunday for a four-day state visit. He is currently on a two-nation trip that will later take him to Singapore, an Asean member.


Also TOI:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 911373.cms

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Vips » 10 Jul 2018 01:49

South Korea to lift India ties on par with China, US, Japan.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in on Monday said he was committed to raising South Korea’s relations with India to the level of those with China, Japan, Russia and the US, as he sought to expand cooperation in areas such as shipbuilding, aerospace, manufacture of medical devices and food processing.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby dinesha » 10 Jul 2018 13:56

North Korea Reportedly Asked Israel for $1 Billion in Cash to Halt Missile Sale to Iran
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rep ... -1.6249205

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jul 2018 15:23

dinesha wrote:North Korea Reportedly Asked Israel for $1 Billion in Cash to Halt Missile Sale to Iran
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rep ... -1.6249205

Doubt that money would be a problem for Iran, if not money then then can always pay in oil to NoKo

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby dinesha » 11 Jul 2018 12:14

Moon's trip seeks to turn India into 'next China' for S. Korea: official
http://m.yna.co.kr/mob2/en/contents_en. ... 000&mobile
"India is a country that has no sensitive issues with us historically or geopolitically, so has little risk of its economic cooperation wavering due to external factors. China, for example, created serious problems for our country over the THAAD issue, but with India, there are no such variables," the trade minister said.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby souravB » 12 Jul 2018 14:40

KF-X
As per the news report SoKo unveiled the KFX aircraft whose design is similar to F22 and AMCA albeit no stealth. They say there will be a stealth version later on but that is highly unlikely because they have to completely redesign. Is there any news on cooperation between India and SoKo on this front? both heads looked chummy and they are issuing some pretty bold statements.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby dinesha » 14 Jul 2018 17:26

What Did Moon's India Visit Achieve?
https://thediplomat.com/2018/07/what-di ... t-achieve/


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