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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Cain Marko » 16 May 2018 11:01

ramana wrote:It's possible U.S. has its own Kalidasas who don't want this Korean peace. Holding military exercises while on glide path to summit is quite provocative.

What if the military exercise was announced without trump's knowledge, major egg in face for him courtesy of deep state?

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 16 May 2018 12:00

US press says that these military exercises are annual and regularly held, and should not be stopped even before a summit or an agreement has been reached. Every such items need to be bargained for and not removed in advance. The fact is NK is a master of such games and has always come out a winner. DT and Bolton are new to this game. Most of the old Washington hands in NK affairs are gone, not that they were much better at this game.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Karthik S » 16 May 2018 12:56

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 16 May 2018 20:31

g.sarkar wrote:US press says that these military exercises are annual and regularly held, and should not be stopped even before a summit or an agreement has been reached. Every such items need to be bargained for and not removed in advance. The fact is NK is a master of such games and has always come out a winner. DT and Bolton are new to this game. Most of the old Washington hands in NK affairs are gone, not that they were much better at this game.
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Interesting. They did other things prior to the Olympic Games.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 16 May 2018 21:17

'Our country is not Libya or Iraq': N. Korea may reconsider Trump-Kim summit if guaranteed safety

https://www.rt.com/news/426847-pyongyan ... kim-trump/
Criticizing Washington’s demands for unilateral concessions and unconditional “nuclear abandonment,” North Korea’s first vice minister of foreign affairs Kim Kye-gwan recalled the eventual fate of Libya and said such negotiations style is unacceptable for Pyongyang.

“This is not an attempt to solve the problem through dialogue but rather the manifestation ...to force the destiny of the collapsed Libya and Iraq to our dignified state,” Kim said, according to KCNA.

I doubt whether the United States really wants sound dialogue and negotiation,” Kim added, again noting that “the world is so well aware that our country is not Libya or Iraq.”


Korea Summit Press Pool/North Korea cancels talks with South, threatens to call off US talks over military drills Denouncing the ongoing “sanctions pressure offensive” against the North, he accused Washington of misrepresenting North Korea’s “generosity and bold measures as an expression of weakness.”


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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 16 May 2018 23:39

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44142046
How rival agendas threaten Trump's summit with Kim
By Laura Bicker
BBC News, Seoul
North Korea is making its demands clear. This has very little to do with military drills and more to do with the Sunday talk shows in the US during which John Bolton, President Donald Trump's national security adviser, and Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, outlined what might be on offer if Kim Jong-un gave up his nuclear weapons.
The North Koreans have been watching and they do not like what they have heard.
The whole reason the state has spent years building up a nuclear arsenal, at such a great cost, is for survival.
So to compare denuclearisation in North Korea with Libya - as John Bolton did on Sunday - is not going to offer much comfort. The regime collapsed and its leader did not survive.
Rival agendas
For months, the world has heard that North Korea is willing to denuclearise and many analysts in Korea raised their eyebrows.
They warned that there was a gap between what the US and North Korea would mean by that.
America wants North Korea to give up its weapons over a set period of time and only then will it be given economic rewards.
They also want the process to be quick, perhaps over a couple of years.
North Korea's definition of denuclearisation is very different. It has always talked in terms of the entire peninsula.
That means the US has to act too - perhaps cutting the number of troops based in South Korea or also getting rid of the nuclear umbrella it uses to protect the region. If the state is going to give up its weapons it will also want security guarantees
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North Korea wants the world to know that it is coming to the negotiating table from a position of strength. It may also feel that it is making all the concessions. It has suspended all missile tests and released the three US detainees. Kim Jong-un met President Moon and the pair signed a declaration, and they are about to dismantle a nuclear test site in front of international media. So to hear the Trump administration claiming credit for a deal it does not like has been a step too far. Many will say this move is straight out the Pyongyang playbook. That North Korea has a history of walking away from talks and deals. It does. It also has a lot more experience at this kind of diplomacy than the current US administration.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 17 May 2018 11:01

US demanded N. Korea ship ‘some’ nukes & missiles abroad within 6 months – Asahi

https://www.rt.com/news/426958-korea-nu ... s-demands/

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 17 May 2018 20:38

Consensus is John Bolton is on mission to derail the NoKo denuclearization.

He has undone all the good will that DT and MP had created to lead up to the NoKo-US summit.

So I was not incorrect.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby ramana » 17 May 2018 20:50

Austin wrote:US demanded N. Korea ship ‘some’ nukes & missiles abroad within 6 months – Asahi

https://www.rt.com/news/426958-korea-nu ... s-demands/



Sure fire way to derail the process.
This has to be part of a step by step process towards the de-escalation.

Removing from sanctions is hardly an incentive for NoKo which has 95% trade with China!

An incentive has to be valuable for trading the nukes.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Austin » 17 May 2018 20:50

Bolton is a war mongrer a hawk on Iran and Noko

For all you know this is part of SD plan DT/ Pompea playing good cop and Bolton bad cop ... noko needs to keep on guard or meet Libya like fate

You can’t trust DT to keep his word if he cannot keep Iran deal he is a flip flop guy

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby UlanBatori » 17 May 2018 22:01

ramana wrote:
Austin wrote:US demanded N. Korea ship ‘some’ nukes & missiles abroad within 6 months – Asahi

Sure fire way to derail the process. This has to be part of a step by step process towards the de-escalation. Removing from sanctions is hardly an incentive for NoKo which has 95% trade with China! An incentive has to be valuable for trading the nukes.

I wonder. First, since the nukes are Chinese, this is a reasonable demand. Secondly, I think it is already done: the special slow-moving armored train from PY to Beijing.
Thirdly, what do they expect? Why should US ratchet down the pressure just because there are a few smiling dictators and giggly cheerleaders singing
I luv u, u luv me,
V'r a glowing familee!

What substantive step has been taken by NoKo except for smoke & mirrors? How does any of these remove the US' legitimate fear of a sneak attack on a city? So DT is doing exactly what one would do if one really wants to achieve a negotiated de-escalation towards real peace and stability.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 21 May 2018 11:46

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/us/p ... n=Politics
Trump Grappling With Risks of Proceeding With North Korea Meeting
By David E. Sanger
May 20, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump, increasingly concerned that his summit meeting in Singapore next month with North Korea’s leader could turn into a political embarrassment, has begun pressing his aides and allies about whether he should take the risk of proceeding with a historic meeting that he had leapt into accepting, according to administration and foreign officials.
Mr. Trump was both surprised and angered by a statement issued on Wednesday by the North’s chief nuclear negotiator, who declared that the country would never trade away its nuclear weapons capability in exchange for economic aid, administration officials said. The statement, while a highly familiar tactic by the North, represented a jarring shift in tone after weeks of conciliatory gestures.
On Thursday and Friday, Mr. Trump peppered aides with questions about the wisdom of proceeding, and on Saturday night he called President Moon Jae-in of South Korea to ask why the North’s public statement seemed to contradict the private assurances that Mr. Moon had conveyed after he met Kim Jong-un, the 35-year-old dictator of the North, at the Demilitarized Zone in late April.
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Mr. Trump’s aides have grown concerned that the president — who has said that “everyone thinks” he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts — has signaled that he wants the summit meeting too much. The aides also worry that Mr. Kim, sensing the president’s eagerness, is prepared to offer assurances that will fade over time.
Moreover, Mr. Trump’s decision this month to withdraw from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal raises the stakes for the North Korea negotiation. If he emerges with anything less than what President Barack Obama got, which in Iran included the verified shipment of 97 percent of all nuclear material out of the country, it will be hard for Mr. Trump to convince anyone other than his base that the negotiation was a success.
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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby abhik » 21 May 2018 18:40

How is Kim jong un going to get to Singapore? No rail line to take no? Else If summit does no good well he can be Malaysia Airline'd while returning, with simultaneous coup back home.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Kashi » 21 May 2018 19:03

abhik wrote:How is Kim jong un going to get to Singapore? No rail line to take no? Else If summit does no good well he can be Malaysia Airline'd while returning, with simultaneous coup back home.


He's flying there, on a Soviet era plane.

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby Amber G. » 21 May 2018 22:16

Sorry if posted before ..
>>>As strategic equations in the Korean Peninsula undergo a dramatic shift, India too has decided to enter the fray. Earlier this week, India’s Minister of State for External Affairs, General VK Singh, paid a two-day visit to North Korea. This first ministerial visit from India to North Korea in nearly two decades was at the invitation of the North Korean government>>> India’s Pyongyang outreach

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Re: India - South & North Korea Thread

Postby g.sarkar » 21 May 2018 22:35

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/20/south-k ... -face.html
South Korea, US to work closely on summit after Pyongyang's about-face
South Korean President Moon Jae-in and U.S. President Donald Trump held discussions on Sunday to ensure that the North Korea-U.S. summit remains on track. South Korean President Moon Jae-in and U.S. President Donald Trump held discussions on Sunday to ensure that the North Korea-U.S. summit remains on track after North Korea threatened to pull out of the high-level talks.
Moon and Trump spoke over the phone for about 20 minutes, and exchanged their views on North Korea's recent reactions, South Korea's presidential office said without elaborating.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/politics ... index.html
US B-52 bombers changed flight plan after North Korea threatened Trump summit
Washington (CNN)The US, South Korea and Japan agreed this week to shift a planned flight of at least two nuclear-capable B-52 bombers so they would not fly over the Korean Peninsula, according to two US defense officials.
The decision was made in the wake of North Korea's objection to US military exercises in the region and a suggestion from Pyongyang that the upcoming summit between Kim Jong Un and President Donald Trump could be at risk. North Korea threatened to cancel the planned summit between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un scheduled for June 12 in Singapore, saying the US should carefully consider the fate of the upcoming meeting, in view of what it calls "provocative military disturbances with South Korea," North Korea's state news agency reported early Wednesday local time.
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