Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Quad, IMO is a negotiation tactic for US in order to improve its negotiating position WRT PRC. For the future G2.

US is not in the habit of giving up on any idea. Lest of all bad ideas.
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Due to Russian Bank Rouble account for Gas&Oil the rouble is around 67 to the dollar, it was briefly at 65.31. The rouble is holding strong and against the euro it is 70.33.
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House passes $40 billion Ukraine aid bill https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/10/poli ... index.html

US pouring bllions into Ukraine. Nearly most of the Republicans also voting in favour of these bills in lower house
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IndraD wrote:House passes $40 billion Ukraine aid bill https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/10/poli ... index.html

US pouring bllions into Ukraine. Nearly most of the Republicans also voting in favour of these bills in lower house
The quid pro quo will be that US construction and agriculture giants will be granted tons of reconstruction contracts!!!

Win win for the US.
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Pratyush wrote:Quad, IMO is a negotiation tactic for US in order to improve its negotiating position WRT PRC. For the future G2.

US is not in the habit of giving up on any idea. Lest of all bad ideas.
I hope we have our own idea and have the werewithal to prosecute it..long term view of being the regional hegemon....
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bala wrote:JPMorgan says Russia's economy is stronger than expected and will only suffer a shallow recession despite sanctions

https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... ble-2022-5

May 10, 2022
The Russian economy has so far fared better than expected under tough sanctions and is likely to suffer only a shallow — although drawn-out — recession, according to JPMorgan.

// there goes kaput all the sanctimonious Sanctions.
As was mentioned early on BRF, sanctions have very poor success on large, resource-rich countries. Instead they are hurting the US and NATO group economies now.
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Kherson Oblast wants annexation with Russia. It's 82% Ukrainians according to wiki. It becomes much easier to close Ukrainian access to the sea now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... on-ukraine
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^^^^ I will not be surprised if NATO gets more involved to ensure what is left of Ukraine retains access to the sea. All those grains and oil have to be shipped out for food security of many countries around the world.
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M.J. Akbar
Is This the Beginning of A New World Order?
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THE SUNSET OF Kabul has slipped into the twilight of Kyiv and the American era will fade into darkness if Washington crumbles before its next great challenge: a confrontation with China over Taiwan.

Just three decades ago, in 1990, after victory in the Cold War, Washington and its cheerleaders were confident that Pax Americana would hold as much sway over the 21st century as it had over the 20th. But by 2005 America had lost its way in Iraq and never found one in Syria, leaving space which Vladimir Putin quickly filled. In 2014, Barack Obama responded with weak indifference when Putin tested the waters of Europe by occupying Crimea, home of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, anchored at Sevastopol. Having established the new normal in Ukraine, Putin waited while his diplomats made appropriate declamations over the advance of NATO to the borders of Russia. In August 2021, he watched America literally flee from Afghanistan when even a perfunctory stand would have interrupted the Taliban advance. Putin chose his moment.

On the night of Thursday February 24, Ukraine’s young President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asked, plaintively, why he had been abandoned by the West. A few days of war taught Zelenskyy more than he had learnt during a lifetime of peace. Ukraine was not abandoned when the Russian invasion began on three fronts in February. America abandoned Ukraine in the first week of December 2021, when its response to Russian mobilisation was nothing more than the threat of sanctions. President Joe Biden, like Barack Obama, sought creative language to disguise retreat.

Vladimir Putin is only as strong as Joe Biden is weak.

The fatal flaw in American strategy after the searing punishment it suffered in Iraq is the curious belief that it can preserve strategic space without boots on the ground. Putin’s favourite quotation, it is believed, is a line from Lenin: “Probe with the bayonet—if you find mush, keep on probing.” It is evident that the message Putin received from his bayonet was that the White House was now occupied by men of straw. The Russian leader must have been amused when Biden sent his prayers to Ukraine after Putin sent his troops.

Putin enjoys judo and plays chess. A kick makes its point but does not necessarily land a decisive blow. Chess is more complex: it teaches a player the vital difference between reach and overreach. The gulf in between can become a septic swamp. We will soon learn whether, in addition to Lenin, Putin has read the German philosopher-poet Johann Wolfgang von Goethe who wrote that wisdom lies in knowing when to stop.

In retrospect, both America and Russia, who have held the two ends of a bipolar world since 1945, became unhinged albeit in different ways after the collapse of the Soviet Union: neither was able to manage the consequences. Both now seem exhausted, bleeding from their own ambitions and miscalculations.

Such was the American euphoria in the 1990s that Washington lapsed into what might be called the Fukuyama Madness: history itself had come to an end with the fall of Soviet communism to the Pentagon-Wall Street-White House trident of liberalism. There were no more worlds left to conquer. Society had found perfection in the American model of governance and the spirit of its constitution.

Francis Fukuyama, a professor at Stanford, wrote a much-bought book titled The End of History and the Last Man. The White House waved with Caesarean élan, and forgot an elementary lesson: an adversary is vanquished not when it is defeated, but when it accepts defeat. Russia found Vladimir Putin, who would not accept defeat, even when all around him lay nothing but the debris of a once-powerful idea.

America sought the impossible, Russia the unattainable. Washington could never become the permanent guardian, guarantor, governor, philosopher, and global policeman of the 21st century. Putin wanted the virtual return of the Soviet Union’s zone of influence. That was impossible, not because of American obstruction but because the zone had changed in a very fundamental sense. The nations of the old Soviet Union had discovered the meaning of independence.

After Ukraine, America’s allies are finding out the limits of their dependence.

The crisis in Ukraine could initiate the restructuring of the present world order, for both the pillars of the 20th century have been undermined.

THE BIGGEST CASUALTY of the Ukraine war has been trust in Washington. America’s allies have got the message. If a crisis arrives with the speed and strength of a hurricane, Joe Biden, hiding behind the porous veil of “strategic ambiguity”, will rush out statements rather than missiles. The mighty Pentagon is now a bald Samson put out to pasture. Samson’s story never ends well for the house, which comes crashing down in the final scene. It remains for those who have taken shelter in the house to rebuild the structure. They have no other option.

The first world leader to sound an unambiguous alarm was Japan’s longest-serving Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who left office after eight years because of ill health. In the middle of the battle for Kyiv, Abe told Washington through a television interview to abandon “strategic ambiguity” over Taiwan and make a formal commitment to defend the island territory in case China invaded. He had more to suggest.

Abe added that Japan, the only country to suffer the horrific devastation of atomic bombs, must abandon nuclear pacifism and move towards “nuclear sharing”, becoming part of some arrangement on the lines of NATO which permitted the presence of nuclear weapons on Japanese territory. His exact words were: “Japan is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and has its three non-nuclear principles, but it should not treat as a taboo discussions on the reality of how the world is kept safe.” Japan’s security could no longer be outsourced to America. It needed its own finger on a nuclear button.

Shinzo Abe’s prescription marks nothing less than the end of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) regime, which India never signed because it was arbitrary and discriminatory. Japan, incidentally, has sufficient fissile plutonium and expertise in rocket technology to build a nuclear arsenal within a year.

Japan and Germany could take the diplomatic lead in developing a new consensus across the vacuum left by America and Russia, in cooperation with democracies like France and India. This will be a long process which must, at some point soon, revisit the now hollow shell of the United Nations (UN). They will certainly revitalise UN reform, always at the top of the diplomatic agenda of India, Germany and Japan. The present Security Council has long outlived its utility and become nothing more persuasive than a split lectern. Transition is a curious process: nothing happens and then suddenly everything happens.

This is a historic, and perhaps ironic, reversal, for Germany and Japan were smashed to smithereens by the American-Russian-Chinese alliance in World War II. Experience has taught Germany and Japan that fascism is suicidal, and domination is dead; the 21st century must see a shared world inching as best as it can, and perhaps only where it can, towards a liberal, democratic horizon. India will become a significant part of the new architecture for stability, for it is a democratic state with a liberal Constitution and a proven ability to defend its borders and preserve its values.

Order needs the protection of armour. Shinzo Abe was explicit; Germany prefers discretion, but Germany will militarise again after a long phase of strategic naïveté, which reached its apex under Chancellor Angela Merkel who ruled Germany for 16 years with a steely eye and a plastic fist. Her axe targeted the defence budget each time there was a financial crisis. The cuts were never restored.

The present chief of the German army, Alfons Mais, could not contain his frustration after the invasion of Ukraine. He said: “The Bundeswehr, the army I’m privileged to lead, is more or less empty-handed. The options we can offer in support of the alliance (NATO) are extremely limited.” He added for good measure: “I’m p****d off!” He can now look forward to better times. As markets crashed when the fighting began, shares of BAE Systems, builder of fighter jets and sophisticated weaponry, rose by 10 per cent. The true heavy lifters in the international defence bazaar will already be busy in board meetings. The market knows what it is doing.

Britain tries to cloak its weakness with bluster, but one fact will reveal the brittle truth: it has probably only about 200 battle-ready tanks left. It could not send enough mines to Ukraine because it did not have that many. Europe will wake up from its long post-1945 coma, induced by a palliative called the American security umbrella. Putin has ensured that defence budgets will rise across Europe. Having rebuilt its war-ravaged economy, the European Union will now have to build the force needed to protect its achievements.

Russia will have to recalibrate its options, adjusting them against reality. It will probably get the commitment it seeks from Kyiv on NATO but its adventurism will have a debilitating effect on its long-term goals. Moscow is not too worried about sanctions, since neither America nor Europe is ready to turn off the gas taps. The rise of oil prices from $65 per barrel last December to over $110 at the time of writing means that Russia has nearly doubled its daily profit. Moreover, we tend to forget that Russia is capable of an economic response. It has the largest reserves of C4F6 gas, is the world’s biggest producer of titanium from the ‘Titanium Valley’ in western Siberia, and has a preponderant share of palladium reserves (palladium is used for sensors and computer memory). Putin knows that in 2018, the West brought sanctions against Russia’s largest producer of aluminium with much fanfare and quietly dropped them when the price of the metal rose.

All through his career in Russian intelligence between 1975 and 1991, Putin had dealt with the West. The war was a serious miscalculation, but he knows that it will wind down because America and Europe are not ready to fight for Ukraine the way they will for NATO members. Moreover, there are sages in the American establishment like Henry Kissinger who understand Moscow’s concerns vis-à-vis Ukraine. But Putin will also realise that events have now escaped his reach.

If the outcome of every war went only along intended lines, history would be a different story. World War I began as a contest for Europe and ended in the collapse of three empires that had controlled Eurasia for six centuries. World War II began as another conflict between familiar belligerents but finished by dismantling colonialism in both the West and the East, making way for two new superpowers led by Washington and Moscow. Ukraine will not start a world war, but it has triggered worldwide ramifications.

As the world swerves again, optimists can always invest in hope.
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^^^^^

I had said it was the start of the new world order in Feb in response to a yt vid by Aadi Achint. I got the idea from Jaishankar's talks starting in 2019 and connected the dots in Feb.

For this new world order to fruictify Russia **has to** hold the line, else the situation will go back to a unipolar system, with extreme vengeance.

As I see it, this conflict is not about the US or NATO. It is about the Neocons: Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, Kristol, the dead and gone Albright, Clinton's, etc. This group needs to be crushed. For that to happen Russia needs to prevail.

Ideally, the West and Russia needs to be weakened.

@yensoy

There are reports that Russia has been exporting Ukrainian grains. My understanding is that grains have reached MENA countries, which rely heavily on Russian and Ukrainian grain.

Odessa is still blocked, so no grains from there
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One point that needs to be reinforced is "Britain tries to cloak its weakness with bluster". The Britshits are least deserving of a seat on the security council and as days go by no one listens to their loud mouth jabbering on world forums. The US effectively treats them like a poodle pet just for nostalgia sake. France and Germany are much more substantial than the Britshits. The security council should be India, US, Russia, China and (France, Germany, Japan - sharing 1 vote jointly). Brits need to be booted out.
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NRao wrote: As I see it, this conflict is not about the US or NATO. It is about the Neocons: Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, Kristol, the dead and gone Albright, Clinton's, etc. This group needs to be crushed. For that to happen Russia needs to prevail.
Absolutely agreed. This hidden factor of the US Deep state orchestrated by Neocons is a global phenomenon, not restricted to just the US, but its tentacles are there in China, Germany, Britain, France and yes even in Russia. They are slowly creeping into India which is worrisome. They thrive on engineering chaos around the world and taking out any opposition to them, it is a slow methodical process orchestrated over many regimes using all possible means of taking advantage with the slightest of cracks. They are cold-blooded, ruthless, and single focus minded.
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bala and NRao read the French Institute Montagne article by Micahel Duclos.
It gives a French view of the Putin crisis.
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For 2.5 months now CNN/CNBC X number of Russian dead, Russia Losing 10 aircraft per day, Ghost of Kiev etc. Now the Russians have withdrawn from Kharkiv but are concentrating on Donbass.

Many Ukrainians and Western Media are Ukrainian should attack Belgorod- I have a feeling that Putin and Russian Military would not mind this- cause as long it was "Special military Operation" like Russians going into Ukranian area- Putin cannot put the Russian manufacturing and people into full mobilization.

But of the Ukranians attack a Russian city I think for many Russian it will become defensive war and change the dynamic. Russia has so far deployed only around 290K troops and pretty limited equipment - there was no way they were trying to occupy a country with 40 Million people and 600Sq Km area.

Lets see what happens
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As per Twitter sources including Ukraine ones Russians seem to have began entering Severodonetsk after having full control of Rubizhne.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/interview/d ... 220512.htm
''We have a term, 'Pakistanisation' of Ukraine''
ARCHANA MASIH, May 12, 2022

"Transformation of Ukraine into some kind of permanent strategic challenger, which Russia would have to contain and deter, spend a significant part of political and strategic resources on it."
"Russia truly pursued a very risky strategy. However, that was our strong side for centuries -- to do something what nobody expects. We will see if such a strategy would be effective this time," says Dr Dmitri Novikov, associate professor and deputy head of the School of International Relations at the National Research University - Higher School of Economics, Moscow.
"Indian business at different levels has a very good chance to fill the space left by Western companies on the Russian market," Dr Novikov tells Rediff.com's Archana Masih in the concluding part of an interview looking at 77 days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
.....
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BRF ahead of the curve as usual!

From RT Telegram channel:

Americans funded Nazi groups in Ukraine in the same way as Islamic extremists in Bosnia in the 1990s❗️

"A large part of the financial aid of the United States of America to Ukraine has gone to Nazi organizations since 2004," American publicist John Parker told RT. According to him, the congressmen emphasized a few years ago that those funds should not go to the radicals - "Already in 2015, we realized that many members of the Azov, Ajdar, Right Sector and other groups are neo-Nazis." The United States has given them billions of dollars. They trained the Azov Battalion through American mercenaries. "Parker added that the biggest threat is American neo-Nazis who leave for Ukraine and then return to the United States.
"It's amazing that the United States is funding different extremists around the world in the same way. Provided that it is all far from their territory. In BiH in the 1990s, Islamic extremists were funded, with whom the entire region and Europe have problems. Islamists in BiH, numbering in the thousands, will be used as a factor to destabilize BiH and the entire region if necessary. Also, the terrorists of the Islamic State were financed and created by the United States, and to this day they represent one of the greatest threats to peace and stability in the Middle East. Apparently, the Nazis from Azov and other battalions will be someone's "problem" when all this is over. Americans and their allies do not choose partners when it comes to fighting to achieve their goals and interests. That is why it is necessary for Russia to successfully complete the process of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine as soon as possible.
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bala wrote:
NRao wrote: As I see it, this conflict is not about the US or NATO. It is about the Neocons: Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, Kristol, the dead and gone Albright, Clinton's, etc. This group needs to be crushed. For that to happen Russia needs to prevail.
Absolutely agreed. This hidden factor of the US Deep state orchestrated by Neocons is a global phenomenon, not restricted to just the US, but its tentacles are there in China, Germany, Britain, France and yes even in Russia. They are slowly creeping into India which is worrisome. They thrive on engineering chaos around the world and taking out any opposition to them, it is a slow methodical process orchestrated over many regimes using all possible means of taking advantage with the slightest of cracks. They are cold-blooded, ruthless, and single focus minded.
1) I forgot to add the name of Ursula von der Leyen to the list of Neocons - their point person within the EU. As President of EU it makes it that much more potent.

Two days ago a story broke out (single source) that von der Leyen wanted EU to ban the leasing of oil tankers to move Russian oil. I believe the Greek and Cypriot owners revolted and informed their respective leaders not even to think of it

2) Three very quick point:
a) The last 2 + 2 between India and the US, IMO, was a bad meet. Evidenced by the icy tone during the presser post meet between Jaishankar and Blinken + the mention by Blinken of US looking into human rights violations in India and followed next day by the same from MEA
2) The rare, but very icy presser post Boris Johnson + Modi meet. Modi was very, very formal: addressed Johnson as "his excellency", while Johnson was appearing more friendly with "friend Narendra". I doubt that meet went well - because it was a trip IMO by Johnson to convey a warning message from Biden
3) The remarks made by Jaishankar in the Raisana Dialogs, with Ursula von der Leyen present, were very telling, when he mentioned what advice EU gave India after the LAC events in 2020, etc. I think von der Leyen carried the same warning message from Biden

There is a crack that has formed because of these Neocons

g.sarkar wrote: ......
"Indian business at different levels has a very good chance to fill the space left by Western companies on the Russian market," Dr Novikov tells Rediff.com's Archana Masih in the concluding part of an interview looking at 77 days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
.....
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Import/export essentials, but wait till there is more certainty on the outcome of this conflict.

IMO the Jaishankar-Blinken differences have come out in the open - there is no two ways about that - will have lasting consequences not with the "US" as such, but with the Neocons.

@cyrano

3 hour long rant (because it is unscripted!!) by Scott Horton if anyone wants to get a historic view on the Neocons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxy6UyU6n-s&t=1s

It is not pretty

WRT "India", would not be surprised if they funded the farmer's protests. And, perhaps even the RPG attack in Punjab last week. That is what they do, it is in their declaration: "invasion" is others do not conform. Par for the course
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ks_sachin wrote:
IndraD wrote:House passes $40 billion Ukraine aid bill https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/10/poli ... index.html

US pouring bllions into Ukraine. Nearly most of the Republicans also voting in favour of these bills in lower house
The quid pro quo will be that US construction and agriculture giants will be granted tons of reconstruction contracts!!!

Win win for the US.

Win for some in US like the Hunter ..
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https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1 ... 4166463502
In #Sofia #Bulgaria a large crowd, protesting the decision to send weapons to #Ukraine, tries to enter a government building with ladders.
A video is embedded in the tweet
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NPR :: Lithuania designates Russia as a terrorist country, a global first

To which one tweet:

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1 ... 9231379456
Russian media is talking about withdrawing recognition of Lithuania as a country
followed by

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1 ... 0674698240
Translated passage from the Yevgeny Prigozhin-aligned Federal News Agency. Since Lithuania recognized Russia's actions as genocide and called Russia terrorist, the Russian media is also dredging up World War II era Nazi links to the Lithuanian Foreign Minister's family.

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...3 hour long rant (because it is unscripted!!) by Scott Horton if anyone wants to get a historic view on the Neocons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxy6UyU6n-s&t=1s...
After hearing (within 3 mins) why this nutjob chose this topic when he could have focused on (in his words) "chinese brutality in Tibet" or "sexist violence in India", I closed the browser. Saved me few hours...
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Chanakyaaji, that is exactly what I did.
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The Solomon Islands issue lays bare western hypocrisy.

Australian PM Morrison says any Chinese military base in Solomon Islands would be a "red line" for Australia.

Solomon Islands, while being 1,500 kms from Australia and has never fought with it, presents a threat and has no sovereign rights.
Ukraine, while sharing a border with Russia 0 kms away, has sovereign rights and Ukraine joining NATO, which is a military alliance, should not present any threat to Russia is the narrative.

This is not a defense of China or Russia, just how geopolitics makes everyone bathe with Hamaam. :rotfl:
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120% of the people killed by US forces are non-civilians - https://www.wsls.com/news/world/2022/05 ... imes-case/
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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skumar wrote:The Solomon Islands issue lays bare western hypocrisy.

Australian PM Morrison says any Chinese military base in Solomon Islands would be a "red line" for Australia.

Solomon Islands, while being 1,500 kms from Australia and has never fought with it, presents a threat and has no sovereign rights.
Ukraine, while sharing a border with Russia 0 kms away, has sovereign rights and Ukraine joining NATO, which is a military alliance, should not present any threat to Russia is the narrative.

This is not a defense of China or Russia, just how geopolitics makes everyone bathe with Hamaam. :rotfl:

Geo politics is best explained in Haryana as “jiski lathii uski bheans”
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https://twitter.com/baronichitas/status ... 7586774018
Ukraine has signed into law that political parties opposing President Zelensky's agenda are officially banned and their assets may be seized by the state.
Of course such parties are described as "pro-Russian" but conceivably this could be used against any political faction which looks to achieve a negotiated settlement with Moscow.
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One just need to see these kinds of videos to understand the immense respect and patriotism Russians have for their country. How many Americans or for that matter from most western country have such emotional attachment to their country?
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bala wrote:
microprocessor chips & software
All perceived advantages in these areas are disappearing quite fast. India for example is making its own microprocessor (Open ARM) IIT-M, and, of course, in software it is a champ.
(OT alert) Where is the fab to make this chip? (Let us take it to Tech-Eco forum, if you please).
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Switzerland releases CHF3 billion of frozen Russian assets
The Swiss government has confirmed that CHF6.3 billion ($6.33 billion) worth of Russian assets remain frozen under sanctions to punish Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. This represents a drop from early April as CHF3.4 billion in provisionally blocked assets have been released.

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Finland joining Nato as well is a another huge 'shot in the foot' moment for putin. I'm trying to put rationality behind his calls but not getting far. The man is single handedly building one of the most hostile neighbourhoods.
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Interview with a canadian volunteer fighter in Ukraine.
His partner, the great Wali, hasn't even been able to get close to any Russian tanks to fire a javelin.
There is a interview with Wali has well in some paper. Will try and find it.


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Here is the article. Use google translate.

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/2022 ... rrible.php
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Nihat wrote:Finland joining Nato as well is a another huge 'shot in the foot' moment for putin. I'm trying to put rationality behind his calls but not getting far. The man is single handedly building one of the most hostile neighbourhoods.
Turky says NO.
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Europe's hostility of Russia has been nurtured by the US for decades, looking for a vent, which Ukraine has provided. Putin had a call with the bacchhi PM of Finland, and told her Russia has no need or intent to threaten Finland, she seems to have neither the brains nor the experience to understand any of this.

A lot of European leaders' incompetence is showing. Those who came to power for the glitz, a few rallies, heads of state visits and Gxx, WEF, COPE summits and make some money on the side have suddenly been confronted with Covid, and now Ukraine crisis. Many have opted to push the hot potatoes to EU, into the hands of country level reject politicians and bureaucrats who are even less competent, but also disconnected from reality. So there you have the grotesque spectacle of Ursula Ironmaiden and Borrel etc. running their fiefs in the name of International Community and tirelessly licking American a$$ because they know they are in no position to defend themselves or anyone else.

Macron is perhaps the only half smart cookie out there, but he is young, ambitious, impatient and as we know Europe won't like a new French Napoleon. The rest are all trash, with no 2nd level leaders worth their salt either.

Ukraine hanging its jewels by the NATO/EU hook shows how incredibly stupid and foolhardy they are, but then, NeoNazis aren't often credited with any display of brains, are they ?!
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rsingh wrote:
Nihat wrote:Finland joining Nato as well is a another huge 'shot in the foot' moment for putin. I'm trying to put rationality behind his calls but not getting far. The man is single handedly building one of the most hostile neighbourhoods.
Turky says NO.
What issue did turkey have with Finland?

Or is it their way of asking for payment in return for their approval...
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Finns supported Kurdistan separatists since a long time
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