Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

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sanjaykumar wrote:And this is why Christians in Britain are 200 years ahead of Christian converts in India.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-humanist

(I wonder if this Polly Toynbee is related to Arnold Toynbee).
he is her grandfather

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_Toynbee
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Interesting, thanks.
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@sanjaykumar ji, but check this out re. Arnold Toynbee (who was well regarded in India during British Raj and after)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee
Negative views of Jews and Judaism: The "Toynbee heresy" and the Jew as "fossil"
Toynbee's views on Middle East politics have often been linked with the negative evaluation of Jews and Judaism Toynbee expressed in his discussion of Jews and Jewish civilization more generally.[66][67][68] In a famous speech entitled "the Toynbee heresy," Abba Eban, an academic of brilliant potential before he became a diplomat, analyzed the uniformly negative role and associations Toynbee assigned to Judaism and Jews in his history of civilization as a whole, and the degree to which this was in turn premised on a belief in the superiority of Christianity to Judaism.[66] Eban noted how Toynbee used the term "Judaic" to describe what Toynbee considers to be instantiations of "extreme brutality," even, or especially, in instances where Jews themselves are in no way involved, such as the Gothic persecution of the Christians.[66] More generally, Eban observed throughout the first eight volumes of his civilization series, Toynbee has a habit of referring to the Jewish people as a "fossil remnant," a term Toynbee does not define but which emerges in his writing as expressing the idea that Judaism, a religion for Toynbee is defined by its "fanaticism," its "provincialism," and its "exclusivity," exists solely as a vehicle to deliver the superior civilization and moral code of Christianity.[66]

As Eban points out, Toynbee's reading of Jews and Judaism through a Christian lens colors his view of Zionism and the state of Israel.[66] By characterizing Judaism as a morally primitive belief-system based on the idea that Jews are the "master race," and then asserting that Jews' claim to Israel is based on this premise, Toynbee figures Zionism as "kindred to Nazism."[66] On the other hand, Toynbee argues that by failing to accept their fate as a Diaspora community and trying instead to replace the "traditional Jewish hope of an eventual Restoration of Israel to Palestine on God's initiative through the agency of a divinely inspired Messiah," Zionist Jews have the same "impious" relationship to their religion as Communists do to Christianity.[66] Having thus equated Zionism with both Nazism and Communism, Toynbee asserts:[66]

On the Day of Judgement, the gravest crime standing to the German National Socialists' account might be, not that they had exterminated a majority of the Western Jews, but that they had caused the surviving remnant of Jewry to stumble.
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Shankas wrote:I was watching this standup comedian and realized what the church's agenda for Punjab is

Short 2 min clip

https://youtube.com/shorts/DeteU4ngSUo?feature=share

What is the agenda for Punjab?
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Could be a reference to how proselytization Churches are teaching Punjabi to Mexican, who can possibly pass of as Indians / Punjabis in their effort to convert.
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Tolkien was writing his excruciatingly mundane fantasy about the same time as Arnold Toynbee.

In it, he makes gratuitous references to warriors who commit suicide in the face of insurmountable odds. Of course it is disparaging of Jews and their Masada. Hmm that’s interesting the mobile device just capitalised that.

Casual contempt was a hallmark of Europeans, the British have had the most success in amelioration of this Christian character trait.
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Did the Vatican cover up the kidnap and torture of this girl by the Mafia because she'd been sexually abused by a friend of the Pope?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... landi.html
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Christian missionaries target the birthplace of Buddha in Nepal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64235873
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"adopted through a Christian special-needs adoption agency"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathel ... 1-n2618219
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Haresh wrote:"adopted through a Christian special-needs adoption agency"

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathel ... 1-n2618219
In India too missionaries have been convicted of human trafficking esp of young children. Govt still hasn't moved strongly to curtail the activities of these missionary groups
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Paedophile priest who kept stash of child rape videos in his vicarage and was about to adopt twins is banned from Church of England for life

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gland.html
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Book Review https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2023/0 ... akopoulou/

Need to get teh full artile.
A Body That’s Divine
Anna Della Subin
A recent book catalogs the Old Testament’s physical descriptions of God, who ate, probably drank, got mistaken for an ordinary man, and was likely circumcised.
If human eyes could look at God’s body, what would we see? In God: An Anatomy, Francesca Stavrakopoulou catalogs the anthropomorphic references to God in the Bible, from his feet to his scalp, in order to gain a clearer picture of what the deity enshrined in its pages looks like. A professor of the Hebrew Bible and ancient religion at the University of Exeter, Stavrakopoulou draws on the testimony of those who saw God or were in his physical presence, including Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, and Ezekiel. She searches the Bible not only for body parts but also for God’s very human behaviors, emotions, and appetites. (God is, in her reading, unquestionably male.) She returns often to the original languages of the scriptures and corroborates her findings with archaeological evidence and older mythology underlying the figure of Yahweh.

Stavrakopoulou’s study also recounts the disappearance of this body, almost like a missing-person report: while the ancient scribes of the biblical texts imagined God as embodied, over the course of centuries of Jewish and Christian doctrinal formation, rabbinic commentary, ecumenical debates, and influence from Greek philosophy, his body “gradually vanished,” becoming increasingly incorporeal, occulted, and abstract. (Although her references rove across time, from the medieval Maimonides to Jeff Koons, she does not consider the impact of Islam on conceptions of God’s nature.) This vanishing culminates in God’s alleged death with the complicity of modern atheism and science. The book ends with the image of a divine hulk stretched out on a cold marble slab; traces of human blood remain beneath his toenails, from stamping on populations as if they were grapes.
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https://www.thestar.com/politics/2023/0 ... urged.html

Vatican rejects Doctrine of Discovery

How unchristian of the Vatican.
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sanjaykumar wrote:https://www.thestar.com/politics/2023/0 ... urged.html

Vatican rejects Doctrine of Discovery

How unchristian of the Vatican.
It's a bit late now.
They have done what they have done and now cannot and will not undo it.
What's the point ?
The conquered and destroyed people are still conquered and destroyed.
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Haresh wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:https://www.thestar.com/politics/2023/0 ... urged.html

Vatican rejects Doctrine of Discovery

How unchristian of the Vatican.
It's a bit late now.
They have done what they have done and now cannot and will not undo it.
What's the point ?
The conquered and destroyed people are still conquered and destroyed.
Now is the time to take up the case for reparations, no.....
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Reparations? Think forgiveness me lad...the Christians have forgiven themselves.

I will now return to my devil worship.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Reparations? Think forgiveness me lad...the Christians have forgiven themselves.

I will now return to my devil worship.
8)
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What has it come to ???

French Catholic priests will be forced to wear scannable QR code so the public can identify if they are a sex offender

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ender.html
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NADINE DORRIES: I know all too well how the church covers up child abuse. It cannot escape the evil that lurks within its own cloisters any longer

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... abuse.html
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Staggering 1,900 minors were abused by Catholic Church clergy in Illinois since 1950, shocking new state investigation finds... but abusers 'won't see justice'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e1950.html
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he has, very clearly, been told to go, meaning he was fired
Kerala nun rape case: Accused Bishop Franco Mulakkal steps down, brought to notice of Vatican

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india- ... ews-463275




https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/ ... signs.html

A press release issued by the Apostolic Nunciature noted that the High Court has admitted an appeal has admitted an appeal against his acquittal in the case.

The Vatican body also confirmed that Mulakkal's resignation was not demanded as a disciplinary action but as 'pro bono Ecclesiae', especially for the good of the diocese which needs a new bishop.

In February, he visited pope Francis in the Vatican. In a video message, Franco Mulakkal said that he informed the Pope during the meeting about his decision to step down from the post.
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Brought to notice of the Vatican.
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Can anyone suggest good books on theological absurdity in Christian belief? Has any one did write hair-splitting argument like what we find in Indian philosophical argument on theology of christianity?

I was watching an interview of ester dhanraj and got fascinated by the topic. Posting a link for people interested.



Thanks in advance
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madhu wrote:Can anyone suggest good books on theological absurdity in Christian belief? Has any one did write hair-splitting argument like what we find in Indian philosophical argument on theology of christianity?

I was watching an interview of ester dhanraj and got fascinated by the topic. Posting a link for people interested.



Thanks in advance
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Essa ... C70&sr=1-4
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Many years ago, I posted that only an ifiltrator could adequately dissemble the faith. Esther dharaj is one. She calls herself kamakshi, a wonderful sounding name.

The bad news is that appeals of fact are useless to the Christian’s in India. Unlike Christians in Britain, Canada and more recently the US.


Indians do not have the levels of education and economic independence, yet. The patronage power of the church in India is medieval.


That is why GoI needs to get out of temples. The wealth for social welfare is significantly more than the mosque-church conversion industry.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Many years ago, I posted that only an ifiltrator could adequately dissemble the faith. Esther dharaj is one. She calls herself kamakshi, a wonderful sounding name.

The bad news is that appeals of fact are useless to the Christian’s in India. Unlike Christians in Britain, Canada and more recently the US.

Indians do not have the levels of education and economic independence, yet. The patronage power of the church in India is medieval.


That is why GoI needs to get out of temples. The wealth for social welfare is significantly more than the mosque-church conversion industry.
sanjaykumar ji,

the same hidden BIF hands that got the words "secular" and "socialist" inserted sorry, rammed into the Indian constitution are the ones preventing the removal of state controls over the Hindu temples...

the fact that such forces have a very strong and global commie connect can be seen by what they have done to the temples in KER

They had hoped to fully strangle the Hindu community by forcefully misappropriating the community's wealth, culture and and social support ecosystem, and forcing them to seek shelter and security outside of their own cultural spectrum, exactly like the mughals, and the britshits had tried to do before during their violent colonization.

That is why their conversion agendas are so very heavily funded, and that is also why they are so heavily invested in the educational, and health sectors, so as to be able to trap mother and child, and also help to condition their prey for easy acceptance of a religious revanchist ideology

The commies are, in reality, an active part of this exclusionary, and monotheistic abrahamic religious continuum

The awakening of their once innocent prey base is really bad news for the commies globally
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Madhu,

This will be enough: If The lord is omnipotent and all knowing HE should be able to peer into future. If this is the case, he should’ve known that the message he gave to the Jews wasn’t enough and would require him to rape Mary and be born as Christ to save humanity. He could have made the message perfect the first time but didn’t. This proves that he made a mistake and hence cannot be Lord.
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^^my post should have read expose the dissemble in the faith
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Convicted paedophile, 71, is jailed again after befriending families with young children in the UK without telling them got 15 years in an Albanian prison for raping a young boy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... arges.html
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of course, bill clinton would be his fan......

and, the usually vocal racist bigots in the european parliament are all very quiet.....



John of God’: How the celebrity ‘faith healer’ once promoted by Oprah ended up with a 370-year prison sentence after 600 accusations of $exual exploitation

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https://theparadise.ng/oprahs-faith-hea ... e-victims/
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WTF.

Horrific, scarcely believable.

Perhaps the impregnation was not by men. No wonder Americans are abandoning Christianity in record numbers. Wise people. Pakistanis should learn from them.
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https://twitter.com/SouleFacts/status/1 ... 4430909446
Today, 176 tribal from 32 families in Bhgajan, Karbi Anglong, answered the call of CM Dr. @himantabiswa
and have embraced 'Gharwapsi'. After generations of being seduced into Christianity for a better life, they have chosen to return to Hinduism. 🙏🕉️ #Gharwapsi #CulturalHeritage
Can we scale this up?
May be in 3rd term?
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An ascendant India itself will do it.

No coercion, no violence, no penalties. Always remember the example of Japan’s Christian demographics in the 20 th century.


And don’t do something stupid like “they are defiled already” and “Hinduism doesn’t accept converts”.
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+100 as we grow economically - it is natural for people to go beyond roti/makaan/kapda and search for cultural roots. ghar wapsi will be natural. we just need to slow the bleed which is what namo is doing exactly...
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V_Raman wrote: 18 Jul 2023 04:39 +100 as we grow economically - it is natural for people to go beyond roti/makaan/kapda and search for cultural roots. ghar wapsi will be natural. we just need to slow the bleed which is what namo is doing exactly...
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I would like to donate money and support if there are such organizations in TN
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The impact is there for all to see in NE. Another Hindu exodus is happening.
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I came across a book "Baptizing Burma" about the US effort to convert Burmese tribals.

Along with that, they encourage growing poppy for funds.
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