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Postby habal » 15 Oct 2018 11:19

rape accused 'bishop' franco mulakkal granted bail by kerala high court.

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Postby chetak » 17 Oct 2018 19:22

This is the true reason why there is such a panic to convert the Hindus from India.

The people of the book may just be realizing that they may all have been duped.

this is their fate in ireland, after allegations of sexual exploitation of children by padres received no attention or apology or expression of remorse from the godman himself.

This is how it is in most of europe today.


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Postby habal » 17 Oct 2018 20:37

The Abrahamic trinity—Judaism and its descendants, Christianity and Islam—is the Zionist matrix. The ruling classes use this religious matrix to form permutations of belief that divide the masses against each other, precluding the formation of a united front against the ruling class.

The Matrix ®

Catholicism -> Knights of Malta/opus dei
Islam -> Wahabbism (right wing fanatics)/MB (left wing)
Judaism -> Zionism

these organizations although outwardly antagonistic work in close network with each other.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Oct 2018 16:49

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fake-jews

.... Rabbi Loren Jacobs is a “Messianic Jew”, better known as ‘Jews for Jesus’. If this isn’t something you’re familiar with these are Jews by ancestry who maintain the trappings of Judaism and some of the ritual law while accepting Jesus as the Messiah and the entirety of Christian theology. They make up an incalculably small number of American Jews and are largely supported, subsidizedand advanced by evangelical groups hoping to convert Jews to Christianity.
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The best way to capture the raw feelings many Jews feel about this is that it is an attempt to destroy or extinguish Judaism from within. Jews have been converting to Christianity individually for two thousand years. When they do, they become Christians. ‘Messianic Judaism’ is less an attempt to convert Jews as it is to convert Judaism itself by creating a faux Judaism – Christianity in a yarmulke – which masquerades as the real thing.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 21 Nov 2018 20:13

This is big, how after our North East all our islands are not targets for religious conversions will have big impact on security of India :


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46286215

Fishermen who took the man to North Sentinel island say tribespeople shot him with arrows and left his body on the beach.
Local media say he was a missionary. He has been identified as John Allen Chau.
Contact with indigenous Andaman tribes living in isolation from the world is illegal. Estimates say the Sentinelese number between only about 50 and 150.
Seven fishermen have been arrested for illegally ferrying the American to the island, police say.
Local media have reported that he wanted to meet the tribe to preach Christianity to them.
"Police said Chau had previously visited North Sentinel island about four or five times with the help of local fishermen," journalist Subir Bhaumik, who has been covering the islands for years, told BBC Hindi.
"The number of people belonging to the Sentinelese tribe is so low, they don't even understand how to use money. It's in fact illegal to have any sort of contact with them."

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Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Nov 2018 23:47

I find the surname suspicious, he may have Chinese links. David Coleman Bradley redux

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Postby UlanBatori » 22 Nov 2018 05:14

No comment.
Yoo Ess Missionary violates tourist visa and deliberately trespasses into tribal land in Nicobar.
"We refuse to call him a tourist. Yes, he came on a tourist visa but he came with a specific purpose to preach on a prohibited island," Pathak said. Chau did not inform the police of his intentions to travel to the island to attempt to convert its inhabitants, officials said.
All seven locals who facilitated the trip have been arrested.

UBCN: All 7 + 1 posthumous have been nominated for the 2018 Darwin Award.

"The Sentinelese have shown again and again that they want to be left alone, and their wishes should be respected," the group said. "The British colonial occupation of the Andaman Islands decimated the tribes living there, wiping out thousands of tribespeople, and only a fraction of the original population now survive. So the Sentinelese fear of outsiders is very understandable."

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Postby yensoy » 22 Nov 2018 07:37

Wow, what a beautifully written Press Release! I haven't seen a document that polished every from the GoI in decades...

BTW, a good primer on the Karen (Burmese) in Andamans: https://www.thehindu.com/society/a-little-myanmar-in-the-andamans/article24894384.ece. They are also quite evangelical in their outlook, and could explain why many of the conspirators in this fellow's folly were from that community.

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Postby Theeran » 22 Nov 2018 07:58

Contrast the cnn and BBC reports with The Hindu. Not one mention of missionary or proselytizing. They even changed the official's quote to describe the guy as an adventurer. The paper is trying hard not to be their namesake.

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Postby disha » 22 Nov 2018 10:29

UlanBatori wrote:No comment.


CNN is already eulogising this idiot
Chau was "martyred," said Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Covenant Journey, a Christian ministry that introduces college-age students to Israel through an immersion program.


Martyr already!

I think covenant journey must be sue’d & the organization & all its affiliations must be banned

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Postby SSridhar » 22 Nov 2018 16:41

Theeran wrote:Contrast the cnn and BBC reports with The Hindu. Not one mention of missionary or proselytizing. They even changed the official's quote to describe the guy as an adventurer. The paper is trying hard not to be their namesake.


'கடவுளே, நான் இறக்க விரும்பவில்லை'- அந்தமான் தீவில் பழங்குடியினரால் அம்பெய்திக் கொல்லப்பட்ட அமெரிக்கரின் கடைசிக் கடிதம் {God, I don't want to die - the last letter by the American who was killed by the tribals in the Andamans}

For those who can read Tamil, please read the comments also.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby JE Menon » 22 Nov 2018 17:46

There is a story in the Washington Post on it, not especially sympathetic although they lean towards the missionary impulse. As per his mother, he had "nothing but love for the Sentinelese people". No shyte.

The majority of comments below the article in the post, however, do full justice to this idiot.

Added later: Found it, here it is:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... aacc60cbf2

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Postby Singha » 22 Nov 2018 18:45

he infiltrated into the island with the daring of a marine commando and pressed his luck by going in again the next day. I have to think he was a deeply religious EJ with some messiah complex wanting to get name n fame by bringing a lost of tribe of sheep into the Books fold.

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Postby Prasad » 22 Nov 2018 19:53

Its the 'martyrdom strategy'. Go in, try to wipe out the native beliefs, religious artefacts. If you succeed, get sainted like Boniface. If you get bow&arrow-d get called a martyr like Stephen. Precursor to the 'peacefuls' strategy.

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Postby disha » 22 Nov 2018 22:48

Can EAM which gave visa to this missionary lunatic, the airlines carrying this & other dolts like him & the local administration be sued? That too on charges of murder or attempted murder of this tribe by negligence?

I am rightfuly concerned about this tribe. And hence can contribute some to such a legal fund.

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Postby abhik » 22 Nov 2018 23:46

IMO this incident will draw more EJs to these islands, won't be long before someone succeeds. There are probably a few thousand American EJs at any time spread across the country - might be a good time to start scrutinizing these "tourists" and deport them as nessesary.

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Postby Theeran » 23 Nov 2018 00:10

They are like zombies. There is no cure or antidote if they bite. Yet.

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Postby Karthik S » 23 Nov 2018 08:01

Why is home ministry trying to bury it under the carpet? Fear of getting embarrassed as to how this guy got into India and reach to a protected Island away from main land?

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Postby Singha » 23 Nov 2018 10:37

at the immigration desk how do you decide if the person coming in on a tourist visa and a hotel booking and a announced plan to help some NGO "teach english/rural sanitation/rural shelter/apple pie stuff" or tour the country to "learn hinduism/learn bharat natyam" is really a EJ in disguise who will hook up with the "NGO" and start this drum a few days later. there is no way to track these critters short of a ankle bracelet with 4G SIM once they get the immigration stamp valid for few months. the cleverer ones will be doing some valid activity also on the side should anyone investigate.

the local police might be in fear of these evangelists due to orders from high up, paid off or in cahoots with them sometimes. they are the only ones who can really keep tabs on the movements and that too its not a core activity for them.

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Postby Prasad » 23 Nov 2018 10:47

It needs background checks prior to granting visa at the embassy. Many of these guys have enough socmed history linking to such orgs.

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Postby Singha » 23 Nov 2018 10:51

but I really fear these tribes will eventually die out. their numbers are declining and 50-100 is generally not a sustainable number. similar extinctions occurred in small isolated norse settlements in greenland and in polynesia ... one needs large population and trade links to other areas bringing in products and ideas to sustain .... unfortunately they have no real kin on the mainland 50km away.

the vikings were able to continuously sustain settlements on the shetland and faeroe islands north of scotland as it was nearer to their home range and permitted easier access by longboats than greenland. iceland was big enough on local resources to be permanently settled once people arrived. same for new zealand, which was totally uninhabited until 900 years ago (!) the maoris were a people who started out from Taiwan and arrived in NZ via some hops into polynesia.

its jared diamond 'collapse' book kind of stuff. fascinating work.

pitcairn islands of HMS Bounty mutiny fame, even with modern tools and connections it hard to survive on a rock 1000 miles from anywhere https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... abuse.html
easter island was in sad state due to using up local environmental resources when euros arrived on scene

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Postby Singha » 23 Nov 2018 11:04

the younger gen in massa seems to have weaned themselves off the EJ kool aid and moved onto beer / xbox/ PS4 are better use of their time? I checked a few reddit threads and none have any sympathy for this guy.

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Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 23 Nov 2018 12:51

Cut off from the world, India’s North Sentinal Island remains a mystery
Tim Sullivan
New Delhi
The Associated Press
Published November 22, 2018



Survival International, an organization that works for the rights of tribal people, said Chau may have been encouraged by recent changes to Indian rules about visiting isolated islands in the Andamans.

While special permissions are still required, visits are now theoretically allowed in some parts of the Andamans where they used to be entirely forbidden.

“The authorities lifted one of the restrictions that had been protecting the Sentinelese tribe’s island from foreign tourists, which sent exactly the wrong message, and may have contributed to this terrible event,” the group said in a statement.



It occurs to me, there is a case to be made of "Attempted Genocide" against the now dead Chau. I don't think he'd be the first person tried posthumously; and doing so would drive-home the point that visiting these people represents a potentially lethal, and indeed genocidal bio-hazard to them. Such a trial would be followed in the press, around the world. There'd be people itching to win standing, from around the world, hoping to address the court and make their case (mostly because people are vain and think they have all the answers).

My earlier suggestion that an arrow and spear workshop be setup as a work-coop on the island was ill advised and I'd like to retract that comment. Simply put, this suggestion was too involved; and asks too much of these people, who should rather spend their time fishing, hunting and gathering, as they do.

But perhaps one more gift can be offered, one they may make better use-of than coconuts and bananas.
I suggest a gift of arrows and spears -- properly sterilized and delivered carefully, so they know it's not to be taken as a threat. Perhaps include some sort of drawing, instructing them to kill outsiders on sight. (Sounds harsh, I know, but the stakes are high enough that this is justified on the grounds that any contact with outsiders can be lethal to not just one or two of them, but *all* off them. By definition, this threat they face is genocidal.)

These people need protection, and if they were, let's say, Kurdish, we'd be giving them AKs, RPGs, mortars, Druganovs and PK machine guns, etc. But we can't give the Sentinelese these kinds of arms, because to do so would corrupt them, and make them reliant on ammo supplies. So, instead of easily operated Russian arms, the supply of appropriate arms would include spears and arrows; perhaps cord/wire/line that is suitable for stringing their bows.

They probably also need a larger marine preserve -- so keeping fishermen farther away, is probably a good idea, too.

JMT

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Postby disha » 23 Nov 2018 14:47

Reopen cellular jail., jail the fishermen for life on abetting murder.

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Postby hnair » 23 Nov 2018 15:17

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:Such a trial would be followed in the press, around the world. There'd be people itching to win standing, from around the world, hoping to address the court and make their case (mostly because people are vain and think they have all the answers).
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JMT


Are you kidding?
- Our courts will appreciate all that attention but in fear of "log kya kahenge?", will start virtue signaling during trial itself asking "what is so special about isolation of a naked bunch of black people?"
- The verdict will most probably rule in favor of opening up the island for all, claiming "Fundamental Rights" are not being served for outside worlders.
- the Sentinalese will get disarmed by cops and Sec 144 declared and all the males get arrested
- Some clown-cop like Yathish Chandra gets assigned there and his mimicking of movie dialogues broadcast for all the human-rights gangs to clap to

Incase you are not following the Sabarimala thread, we have seen how that shyte works, around here in my parts. Massive PR campaign is going on even now, in shaming such native traditionalists into submission by the west-looking forces. There are still a few people in jail, booked under non-bailable clauses, whose crime is belonging to the ruling political party of India and who was chanting "Swamiye Sharanam Ayappa". The central govt is yet to respond to such brazen.

The only reason the state of Kerala (or Supreme court) are not successful is because of the ferociousness of the full-spectrum counter-assault of the natives, who are as media savvy and tech savvy or better than the govt. Something the poor Sentinelese cannot do.

Please dont provide such JMTs!

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Postby chetak » 23 Nov 2018 15:29

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I dont know What Modi Govt is smoking ....His church says he was missionary .. he himself said he was a missionary .. His family says he was a missionary .......Modi Govt says ... he was not missionary ???

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this is the record left behind by the dead american ej

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Postby hnair » 23 Nov 2018 16:05

If an unknown mexican dude or any dark skin comes into the compound of any white person in America, they automatically reach for their guns or make a call to their armed tribesmen (cops).

That is what happened at Andamans

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Postby TKiran » 23 Nov 2018 16:36

Chau looks like a Chinese or Korean name.

Remember China is on record saying Andaman Nicobar islands is desputed territory.

There's more to the story than meets the eye.

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Postby Karthik S » 23 Nov 2018 16:41

TKiran wrote:Remember China is on record saying Andaman Nicobar islands is desputed territory.
:shock:

Where sir? Can you share any news or article?

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Postby TKiran » 23 Nov 2018 16:50

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/node/2031

"Devious Plans of China to bring in the issue of Andaman and Nicobar Islands ownership"


Guest Column by Commodore RS Vasan IN (Retd)
Home / Devious Plans of China to bring in the issue of Andaman and Nicobar Islands ownership
Devious Plans of China to bring in the issue of Andaman and Nicobar Islands ownership

Paper No. 6152 Dated 21-Jul-2016

Guest Column by Commodore RS Vasan IN (Retd)

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion ... amans.html

Periscope: Watch China, it may be eyeing Andamans
China may make a future claim to India’s Andaman and Nicobar Islands, based on the seven voyages (1405-1433) to the Indian Ocean region by the legendary Chinese admiral, Zheng He, who on his death in 1433 was accorded a sea burial off Kozhikode in India.


https://www.scribd.com/document/4730563 ... y-RS-Vasan

details of the importance of Andaman and Nicobar highlighted in a paper titled China’s Maritime Ambitions in the Indian Ocean available in the link of Scribd
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Postby Karthik S » 23 Nov 2018 17:10

Sir that can't be called "china is saying disputed territory". They are adopting some Sun Tzu strategy to scare us into accepting SCS as their territory.

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Postby madhu » 23 Nov 2018 17:18

Body of American Killed in Andaman May Never Be Found as Sentinelese Tribe Handles The Dead ‘Their Own Way
Restriction on going to the island and the hostility of the Sentinelese tribe means that police have not yet made any direct approach to recover John Allen Chau’s mortal remains, but cops fear that a delay could hamper efforts as the tribe disposes of the buried body after a few days - in their own way

“Among various theories about the Sentinelese, one theory is they withdraw for a few days and subsequently dig the body out to handle it in their own way. This may be their way of vigorous rejection towards outsiders,” DGP Dependra Pathak told News18

This is a very sensitive case, and therefore, we want to gather all possible evidences and learn about what exactly happened at Sentinel Island,” the DGP said, adding that they are also trying to find out whether Chau tried to visit the restricted island on


I don't understand why the hell we need to get his body? let it rot there.
where are the SCST panel now? are they not crying for putting lives of so many endanger men into trouble for his foolish gains in heaven.

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Postby TKiran » 23 Nov 2018 17:18

I heard a name "chau enlai". Do you also think chau is not Chinese name?

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Postby TKiran » 23 Nov 2018 17:23

Karthik S wrote:Sir that can't be called "china is saying disputed territory". They are adopting some Sun Tzu strategy to scare us into accepting SCS as their territory.

SCS is already Chinese territory, if India accepted it or not. Next is Andaman and Nicobar islands. That's one heck of Sun Tzu.
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Postby Zynda » 23 Nov 2018 17:48

Stupid NDTV is pushing news articles & after another on this violator's death. Obviously the agenda is to build up sympathy for the American EJ violator...

Just check out the news articles headlines from today

"Satan's Last Stronghold...?" US Man Wrote Before Death On Andaman Island


After US Man's Death, Focus On Controversial Government Order On Andaman


Did not click on the articles since it makes my blood boil.

Where are all the human rights which should be screaming at the top of their voices about violation of freedom of minority groups...oh wait, the minority group/people in question do not yield any political mileage for libs and the "victim" is a preacher plus an American...both sects are possible funding agencies for many of the liberal NGOs...they spew out ideology but are clever enough to know that never bite the hand that feeds.

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Postby TKiran » 23 Nov 2018 17:59

NDTV is deliberately saying Chau is American, they are also saying that the guy has not violated any laws, as the Restricted access pass not required to go to sentinelese islands, since June this year, as Modi government wanted more American and Chinese to visit North sentinelese islands.

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Postby hnair » 23 Nov 2018 18:54

TKiran wrote:NDTV is deliberately saying Chau is American, they are also saying that the guy has not violated any laws, as the Restricted access pass not required to go to sentinelese islands, since June this year, as Modi government wanted more American and Chinese to visit North sentinelese islands.


TKiran, am going to ask you to stop posting opinions that sounds like misdirection. You have a long record of abusing forum rules

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Postby JayS » 23 Nov 2018 20:52

madhu wrote:Body of American Killed in Andaman May Never Be Found as Sentinelese Tribe Handles The Dead ‘Their Own Way
Restriction on going to the island and the hostility of the Sentinelese tribe means that police have not yet made any direct approach to recover John Allen Chau’s mortal remains, but cops fear that a delay could hamper efforts as the tribe disposes of the buried body after a few days - in their own way

“Among various theories about the Sentinelese, one theory is they withdraw for a few days and subsequently dig the body out to handle it in their own way. This may be their way of vigorous rejection towards outsiders,” DGP Dependra Pathak told News18

This is a very sensitive case, and therefore, we want to gather all possible evidences and learn about what exactly happened at Sentinel Island,” the DGP said, adding that they are also trying to find out whether Chau tried to visit the restricted island on


I don't understand why the hell we need to get his body? let it rot there.
where are the SCST panel now? are they not crying for putting lives of so many endanger men into trouble for his foolish gains in heaven.


I am sure there must be some pressure from USG to recover the body, to hell with it. But from our perspective, there is a chance of bio-contamination. The immune system of those tribals folks is rather delicate. They cannot even digest our food, let alone deal with many germs we carry. Hence the need. When White men invaded Americas, they took with them many germs which the native americans were not immune to. Large population died of the diseases I read somewhere.


Re pictures posted by Chetak - how sick these people are mentally. And they call themselves civilised. Thoo.

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Postby chetak » 23 Nov 2018 21:08

TKiran wrote:NDTV is deliberately saying Chau is American, they are also saying that the guy has not violated any laws, as the Restricted access pass not required to go to sentinelese islands, since June this year, as Modi government wanted more American and Chinese to visit North sentinelese islands.


"owner" of runditv pranoy roy is a militant xtian as is his wife, wife's sister in big bindi brinda karat, commie prakash karat's wife, and a lot of runditv reporters are hard core ejs. The channel has proven connections to the BIF brigade.

sussanah roy is related by blood to pronoy.

They have been paid for a very long time to say such things, so its just the guys who pay the piper who are calling the tune.

They are desperately hoping to provoke some off shore ej response during election time.

Why the surprise, TKiran ji??

or didn't you know??


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