Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 08:16

chetak wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:
You mean none of teachers or principal were collar and cross? No female teachers dressed as nuns with cross


Manish_Sharma ji,

Philip saar is talking about his days in school and you are talking about recent times.

Even in my school, the teachers never wore the collar and cross.

I am sure that they were all devout xtians.

Not one of them ever discriminated against the students in word or deed on religious grounds. I never saw it even once in all my years at school.

A few posters here actually posted as kattarpanthis but they were swiftly weeded out by the ever present birds of prey and they never returned.

Why don't we simply move on to more engaging issues.



Again repeating my school and time thing? Just because your times or school were different doesn't mean anything. Makes no difference to anyone here. Statement sounds similar to there's no islamic extremism because APJ Kalam was a muslim, nazis were not bad as oskar schindler was a nazi.
What is being posted is happening right now in various places including educational institutions. There's plenty more going on if you ask parents whose kids are enrolled there, but can't back up those claims as we don't have any evidence to show that. So stop peddling your PoV as 'gospel' and undermine others' findings and facts and being a side kick to another guy.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby chetak » 06 Nov 2019 12:05

Karthik S wrote:
chetak wrote:
Manish_Sharma ji,

Philip saar is talking about his days in school and you are talking about recent times.

Even in my school, the teachers never wore the collar and cross.

I am sure that they were all devout xtians.

Not one of them ever discriminated against the students in word or deed on religious grounds. I never saw it even once in all my years at school.

A few posters here actually posted as kattarpanthis but they were swiftly weeded out by the ever present birds of prey and they never returned.

Why don't we simply move on to more engaging issues.



Again repeating my school and time thing? Just because your times or school were different doesn't mean anything. Makes no difference to anyone here. Statement sounds similar to there's no islamic extremism because APJ Kalam was a muslim, nazis were not bad as oskar schindler was a nazi.
What is being posted is happening right now in various places including educational institutions. There's plenty more going on if you ask parents whose kids are enrolled there, but can't back up those claims as we don't have any evidence to show that. So stop peddling your PoV as 'gospel' and undermine others' findings and facts and being a side kick to another guy.


Whatever your opinion is it's fine. You are entitled to it.

Just do not target individuals.

Just as you and your parents were helpless in school, others are also not responsible for what policies their schools followed or continue to follow, most times in direct contravention of the existing laws.

You have found out nothing. It was all in the public domain.

People looked but wilfully chose not to see.

The entire so called public school system today is a communal mess and its the fault of the sickular govts that they are still allowing a separate ICSE curriculum in such schools that goes against the Indian cultural ethos.

The parents all know very well that the ICSE is an offshoot of the cambridge IGCSE that existed during the British regime was taken over by the Anglo Indian Board and is now governed by the ‘Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations.

Why do these parents persist in sending their kids to these colonially influenced institutions that today are only mandated by the BIF to produce deracinated coconuts.

The BIF have already set an agenda and they have been pushing the associated evil narrative for decades now. You probably do not know even the half of it.

It is also the fault of all the selfish, so called progressive, and ambitious in a self-centred way parents who look the other way because their kids learn the all important english language in such schools and then hopefully onwards to "greater" things. Society and fellow human beings have no meaning for them.

I also know of one ahole IT industry parent who tried to file a sexual harassment charge against a three year old boy because he, in a joyful moment, spontaneously hugged and kissed his playschool girl classmate.

If it were my kid against whom such an absurd and malicious charge was attempted to be filed, I would have put that b@$t@&d parent in the hospital for sure.

I am no one's sidekick as you so elegantly put it. No one needs to be but many parents are fully complicit in the system that is actually undermining our sovereignty. It is the typical "I, Me and Myself" Indian middle class syndrome and our ingrained crab mentality. These entitled jokers do not even go and vote and yet they always crib the loudest.

Yes, the earlier times in school were very different. They were really happy places to go to and among all the myriad other activities, we also learned the 3Rs.

It is again the gutless parents who now make it such an ugly place to go to. The "owners" of such schools will continue to push the envelope because they get paid to do so. Do you know who really owns the commercial enterprise known as Delhi Public school and the branches all over.

Has anyone ever got a receipt from any one of these "schools" for moneys paid as "donations". The money is as black as their hearts.

And should I say it again, in our time no one had ever heard of the word "donations"

Why then do parents persist in sending their kids there. Is it because their companies often pay the school fees

The sole aim of any school system is to produce a good citizen. This is not understood by any of the parents or teachers today. They want rats who can run the rat race and rats the teachers indeed produce per the popular demand.

In the place where I live, offhand, I can name 20-30 houses where bewildered, medically challenged, and aged parents have been totally abandoned by their foreign settled children. Children that these parents gave their lives for. These rats who are now desperately running the rat race under another flag and for another nationality.

Do you really not know about the envelopes of cash and expensive gifts collected by sickular teachers today, in addition to the exorbitant fees charged for the "tuitions" that they needlessly force/blackmail their students to take because gutless parents are too scared to protest and often compete to give the "best" gifts to their tormentors.

In my day, teachers and parents had a healthy mutual respect for each other. We never heard of this monstrosity and social evil, now maliciously called "tuitions".

Today, neither party is worthy of even the smallest iota of respect.

Sold out and paid for is the politest way that I can put it.
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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 12:34

chetak wrote:
Karthik S wrote:

Again repeating my school and time thing? Just because your times or school were different doesn't mean anything. Makes no difference to anyone here. Statement sounds similar to there's no islamic extremism because APJ Kalam was a muslim, nazis were not bad as oskar schindler was a nazi.
What is being posted is happening right now in various places including educational institutions. There's plenty more going on if you ask parents whose kids are enrolled there, but can't back up those claims as we don't have any evidence to show that. So stop peddling your PoV as 'gospel' and undermine others' findings and facts and being a side kick to another guy.


Whatever your opinion is it's fine. You are entitled to it.

Just do not target individuals.

Just as you and your parents were helpless in school, others are also not responsible for what policies their schools followed or continue to follow, most times in direct contravention of the existing laws.


I took objection when the gentleman in question dismissed the evidences put forth giving example of his school days decades ago probably, then proceeded to call the issue at hand then, which was application of mehndi by a school kid, etc as 'tribal practice', 'indicipline', 'circus' what not. Individuals need to use their words carefully when talking about certain practices associated with certain religion. And personal experiences can't be used to negate empirical evidences.

Yes, people are not responsible for what their institutions followed long after they left that institution, but if those people instead of accepting the reality get defensive, dismiss existing issues, then obviously they will be picked up.

It's just that you and your parents got lucky that you all didn't experience certain things experienced by boys and girls in such institutions now a days.

Rest of your post has no connection to the thread BTW.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby chetak » 06 Nov 2019 12:45

Karthik S wrote:
chetak wrote:
Whatever your opinion is it's fine. You are entitled to it.

Just do not target individuals.

Just as you and your parents were helpless in school, others are also not responsible for what policies their schools followed or continue to follow, most times in direct contravention of the existing laws.


I took objection when the gentleman in question dismissed the evidences put forth giving example of his school days decades ago probably, then proceeded to call the issue at hand then, which was application of mehndi by a school kid, etc as 'tribal practice', 'indicipline', 'circus' what not. Individuals need to use their words carefully when talking about certain practices associated with certain religion. And personal experiences can't be used to negate empirical evidences.

Yes, people are not responsible for what their institutions followed long after they left that institution, but if those people instead of accepting the reality get defensive, dismiss existing issues, then obviously they will be picked up.

It's just that you and your parents got lucky that you all didn't experience certain things experienced by boys and girls in such institutions now a days.

Rest of your post has no connection to the thread BTW.


If such experiences were indeed present in schools in our times, angry parents would have kicked butts and made sure that things were changed in double quick time.

Every word that I wrote is relevant and true though not very palatable to some.

We did not go to such schools as you talk about and that was the only point being made.

what kids are experiencing in schools today was never our experience and no one is justifying it.

If gutless parents today do not wish to vote with their feet, then suffer they must. That is the immutable law of nature.

If you are hunted, you can either fight back or find a safe harbor.

If they only crib and do not organize and fight back or alternately, seek the safe harbor, then there is only one course left for such people: dhimmitude.

They should simply bend over and kiss their asses goodbye.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Karthik S » 06 Nov 2019 13:22

Agree with you sir. My limited point that such schools may have been good in the past. Those very schools have become the kind we are talking about. Perhaps, unsuspecting parents who probably had similar experiences to yours are admitting their kids in such schools now assuming things are the same.
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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Rony » 08 Nov 2019 12:13

Kerala Church creates ‘Gabriel Sena’, enlists ex-military persons for ‘crowd control’

He also insisted that the group has no communal agenda and any Catholic is free to join it. As per the report, the Catholic Church in Kerala has been forming groups based on professional background. It already has groups of Catholic teachers, doctors, and non-resident Keralites.

George Joseph, the secretary of Joint Christian Council, however, called it an alarming trend. He mentioned the current fights between different factions of Christian Churches over property possessions and expressed his fears that such ‘Sena’ might be used to intimidate the faithful who oppose the clergy.

It is notable here that Churches in Kerala have been facing massive public criticism over infights, sex scandals and land scams. Bishop Franco Mulakkal of the Malankara Orthodox Church was accused of rape by a nun in the Kuravilangad convent the last year, exposing the dirty underbelly of political power-play, victim shaming, abuse, and oppression prevalent inside the institutions.

The Orthodox and the Jacobite factions of the Syrian Malankara Church have also been involved in a long and nasty fight over property ownership and Churches. The fight has even resulted in many believers being denied burial space for days on end, leading to public and media criticism.

Recently, a group of Catholics belonging to the Archidiocese of Ernakulam had marched to the Cardinal House in Kochi demanding the resignation of Cardinal George Alencherry, who has been accused of land scam.


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