Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Haresh » 19 Jan 2020 03:10

Rony wrote:Mizoram and Nagaland are Christian Kashmirs


You are right. I saw some video on the @noconversion twitter handle about some xtians in south India demanding a breakaway for a xtian state. I think if it happens, anywhere, the GoI should just flood the area with Dharmics. They should start in the NE states now. A massive temple building program.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby KJo » 19 Jan 2020 05:30

What happened to all the Ghar Wapsi programs when Modi first came to power in 2014? We don't hear about them anymore. Have they stopped or have they become covert?

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Karthik S » 19 Jan 2020 08:10

KJo wrote:What happened to all the Ghar Wapsi programs when Modi first came to power in 2014? We don't hear about them anymore. Have they stopped or have they become covert?


AFAIK, those were one of rare occurrences, we are not into conversion/re-conversion business.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Jan 2020 11:32

If Hindus want to survive, they may want to reconsider.

There is room for people like Tahir Gora. He seems to have declared his dharma publicly on Canadian television.

If there is room for reasonable, articulate people like Gora then why discriminate against the aam Adam-i?

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Karthik S » 19 Jan 2020 11:43

Sanjay sir, there can't be any discrimination, when people convert, they take along their caste with them to their new religion, have seen it all in AP and TN. So if at all they reconvert, they'd still belong to their original caste but with ancestral religion.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Jan 2020 11:58

Caste and privilege are inextricably linked. As the economy provides patronage for a new privilege, caste will be eventually a historical relic.

I often remark on the mid and “low caste” women of UP. They can be exquisitely fine featured and attractive. Caste loses its meaning easily.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Philip » 19 Jan 2020 12:18

This is the disease in the "Christian" community with converts. Most have converted to get rid of their caste backgrounds and socially move upward, but discover that so-called upper- caste Christians control certain churches and keep them out of parish committees,etc.Virtual wars are going on in dioceses where difference church names can indicate which caste runs the show.Elections for
the post of Bishop are as sordid as in our political elections. Frankly,there is little "Christian" in such cases.It is a mere label for acquiring power,influence and money and worst of all,these activities are encouraged by political parties of ALL hues,as they want the caste votes!

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Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Jan 2020 18:23

No Indian can do Christianity better than the white man. Where Christianity has enfolded other races, a most comfortable segregation has been practiced. Whether it is in Ghana or Mississippi. Whether it is Jim Crow laws or whites only churches.

Indians have been sold some opium of Christian love and charity totally at variance with Christianity’s historical and contemporary record. Arundhati Roy will never tilt at these windmills. Baptists in India will never show footage of hurricae Katrina in their parishes. They would not dare question the white man on their practice of religion.

The social contract in India is such that Hindus have consented to maintain certain fictions whilst being r(e)aped.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Haresh » 19 Jan 2020 18:43

Some decent xtian love.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressi ... half-black

And of course if they can't have their own way, they can always cry persecution!!

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/01/ ... -partners/

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Rony » 19 Jan 2020 19:25

Philip wrote:This is the disease in the "Christian" community with converts. Most have converted to get rid of their caste backgrounds and socially move upward, but discover that so-called upper- caste Christians control certain churches and keep them out of parish committees,etc.Virtual wars are going on in dioceses where difference church names can indicate which caste runs the show.Elections for
the post of Bishop are as sordid as in our political elections. Frankly,there is little "Christian" in such cases.It is a mere label for acquiring power,influence and money and worst of all,these activities are encouraged by political parties of ALL hues,as they want the caste votes!


Cant speak of other states but in AP, contrary to the propaganda, the first christians were upper castes Reddys from rayalaseema, upper caste Kammas and Kapus in Coastal Andhra. It was these upper caste pastors who became native informants for British and American missionaries. Together they came up with these propaganda narratives of "casteless christianity" and "social advancements for lower castes who convert" even though they themselves have no intention of giving up their caste privilege. Even now, most of the christian leadership in AP are upper caste converts.

Now conversion became a big business model.

step 1. Convert to Christianity yourself
step 2- Approach a US or European missionary organization and give them a project plan on who many people you can convert for how much price.
step 3 - recruit some people locally (who will also convert for money) and with their help meet your conversion targets
step 4- Request more money from your foreign sponsors for more conversions.

Between step 2 and 3, there is lot of scope to swindle money for yourself and make yourself rich.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby sanjaykumar » 19 Jan 2020 23:03

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressi ... half-black


The man should be lauded for articulating the unspoken thoughts of millions of Christians. A true servant of humanity.

I must confess that I stopped dismissing the Royal Highnesses as chinless half-wits when this half savage darky was accepted into their fold. I have developed a certain admiration for their guts.

Egad, to be chastened by an English tourist attraction.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby sanjaykumar » 20 Jan 2020 08:23

https://youtu.be/NNdgGttyvyA?t=2011

The reason why American Christians are superior to Indian Christians.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Rony » 20 Jan 2020 17:55

‘Soldiers of Jesus’: Armed neo-Pentecostals torment Brazil’s religious minorities

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Philip » 20 Jan 2020 21:08

Rony,the mercenary model you mentioned is a v.popular one.Around 5 years ago the going rate was allegedly 2 lakhs per family member. Numbers at meetings and no. of conversions bring in the bacon. The US fundoos are allegedly the ones pushing this line of action. There is even in one state a " bishop" of the EJ churches, politically orriented, not recognised by mainstrwam churches, whom I had to warn a few years ago not to interfere in a certain matter. He wisely didn't.

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Rony » 10 Feb 2020 19:52

In Vijayawada, AP, A new church with over 3500 seating capacity is being envisioned at the foot of Gunadala hill. What started as a small prayer service for inmates of St Joseph's orphanage in 1923 is now the second biggest pilgrimage center for Christians in South India next only to Velankkani Church in Tamil Nadu. They created a whole ecosystem on the Gunadala hill. Half of the hill is encroached and houses built.

Step 1 : Start a orphanage and claim to help people. Conversion slowly starts.
Step 2 : Construct a small church/prayer hall for the inmates of those orphanage
Step 3 : After expansion of conversions and increase of converts, create a bigger church and make it a pilgrimage site
Step 4 : Now after reaching a critical mass, make a claim on the city that Vijayawada is no longer only a city of KanakaDurga but also a city of Marymata.

Centenary church to mark 100 yrs of Gunadala shrine

A statue of Mother Mary, weighing 300 kgs, was brought to the city from Italy in 1951 and was installed in the cave replacing the one that was initially installed in 1924. “The city (Vijayawada) is blessed with deities presiding over it on two sides. While goddess Kanakadurga sits atop Indrakeeladri hill on one side, Mother Mary is there on Gunadala hill on the other side,” says Fr EW Jaya Rajuthe, the shrine’s rector.
“We see a lot of non-Catholics visiting the shrine regularly. Hindus and Muslims perform their own style of rituals here, which we welcome,” he added

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Re: Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

Postby Rony » 10 Feb 2020 20:33

Despite Being CAA Beneficiary, Church Sees Gains From A Limited Tactical Alliance With Mosque

Last month, Joseph Powathil, Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar Church, opposed the CAA on the ground that it was an effort by the government to drive a wedge between Christians and Muslims. Last week, the Archbishop of Goa, Filipe Neri Ferrao, called on the government to “immediately and unconditionally revoke the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA)” and stop stamping on the “right to dissent”. He said the laws were “divisive and discriminatory” and will damage the country’s multi-cultural democracy. Apparently, he thinks that the church’s own agenda of pitting upper caste Hindus against Dalits, and the “one true god” against worshippers of “false gods” is somehow not divisive.

This marks an about-turn for the church, for in December 2019, soon after the CAA was passed by Parliament, George Kurian, Vice-Chairman of the National Minorities Commission, welcomed the CAA. He pointed out that “those who are vociferously advocating minority rights in India are silent on the persecution of minorities in Pakistan.” Kurian said the commission had received several messages from many Christian denominations welcoming the act. “They tell me”, he is quoted as saying, “justice has finally been done to Christians who are victims of draconian blasphemy laws, religious conversions and abductions.”

The church in India has clearly had a rethink, if one were to go by the anti-CAA statements of the two archbishops. They have probably calculated that despite their interest in protecting the Christian minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the real market for conversion is in India, and this requires the church to play the victim card in India and oppose most things that the Narendra Modi government does.

The church has taken this stance even though it knows that in Kerala Christians are also being targeted by Islamist groups. The same Syro-Malabar Church earlier alleged that Christian girls were being targeted and killed by jihadists through ‘love jihad’.

The church probably believes that its long-term conversion agenda will be hampered if it is seen as supportive of CAA, since this will then open another front with the Islamists when it would prefer to target the Modi government over its alleged Hindutva agenda. The church’s conversion agenda works best in a climate where it can claim victimisation by Hindutva forces when raising funds abroad. This needs it to forge a tactical alliance with Islamists in India, even though its long-term rival in the marketplace for conversions is Islam.

The archbishops can clearly be accused of hypocrisy, for in India it is only minorities who get special laws – from separate minority commissions to the constitutionally-mandated right to administer their own educational and religious institutions. The fact that such religion-based discrimination exists against the majority community is being deliberately ignored by the church in pursuit of its narrower conversion agenda, which requires it to paint Hindus (or rather Hindutva) as some kind of Frankenstein monster preying on the poor and the weak – and the minorities.

It is clear that church and mosque have closed ranks in order to pursue their own conversion agendas. Their interests do not coincide on the CAA, but their longer-term agendas do find a temporary point of tactical convergence.


Until recently, while Muslim organisations have been vociferous in their anti-CAA protests, the church has kept quiet. Now, that silence has ended, for the church sees short-term benefits in a tactical alliance between two of India’s minorities.


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